[paint] mixing paints
Morten Pahle
another beginner question, I'm afraid.
As you may remember from my earlier posts, my sons (and me :-) are starting
off in WHF and are getting down to the pleasures of painting. So far we have
about 12 paint pots, but there seems to be no end to the types and ranges of
colour. Although I can see the difference between 'bestial brown' and
'scorched brown', I hate to pay out my hard earned money for every shade
under the sun.
I remember from my younger days the colour charts and how, with the 3
primary colours, as well as black and white, you can make any other shade of
colour (ignoring the metallics).
I even found a website which seems to list this for the LOTR palette
colours: http://www.thepalantir.org/ca/miniature/tem001/tem001.htm
However, I have a practical question: without using large quantities of
paint, how do you actually in practice measure out the paint? My current
method consists of using the back of a brush and counting drops into an egg
cup, but this is extrememly wasteful and difficult to 'adjust'.
The same question could really be used for washes - my 'drops from back of
brush' method is unsuitable for materials with different viscosity like
water and paint...
Does any of you experts have any hints or tips on this?
Thanks,
Morten
--
Morten Pahle
mor...@lphae.org.uk - anagram the obvious
Blackheart
> However, I have a practical question: without using large quantities of
> paint, how do you actually in practice measure out the paint? My current
> method consists of using the back of a brush and counting drops into an egg
> cup, but this is extrememly wasteful and difficult to 'adjust'.
>
depending on the brand of paint you want to invest in, certain
companies are now putting paints in dropper bottles. You're other
alternative is buying a few glass eye droppers from the local
pharmacy.
> The same question could really be used for washes - my 'drops from back of
> brush' method is unsuitable for materials with different viscosity like
> water and paint...
definitely invest in a few glass eye droppers. just clean them
thoroughly after each use and be careful becuase they're glass and
glass sucks if you get it in your hands (or even more if it gets into
a childs hands or pets paw.)
MJB
"Morten Pahle" <mor...@hlpea.org.uk> wrote in message
news:M46dnfEIErbSd0XY...@bt.com...
>
> Does any of you experts have any hints or tips on this?
>
Feel free to visit the painting tips section of my website for my opinons.
Expert... or not.
--
MJB
Mr. Tin's Miniature Painting Workshop:
http://web.newsguy.com/Mrtinsworkshop/
Steve Olk
>
> another beginner question, I'm afraid.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Morten
This is advice on another tangent, but if you're just learning,
consider investing in some cheap hobby paint. I don't know what the
UK equivilinat (of the brand or the store), but at Walmart you can get
a 2oz bottle of Delta Ceramcoat paint for about 80 cents. I built my
initial paint selection for about $20, and I had a huge range of
colors. I'm sure there are "craft" paints available, you should give
them a look.
As for actually mixing your own paints, keep in mind that experts
really only do it for "one-off" peices, or they mix enough in an empty
pot for an entire army. It's a truism that once you mix a color
exactly how you like it, you'll never get the proportion right
again.
Keep an eye out for auctions, sales, and deals. anybody leaving the
hobby will have a bucket of paint that he'd sell for pennies on the
dollar.
Steve
MJB
"Steve Olk" <polon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171901112.7...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 18, 7:07 pm, "Morten Pahle" <mor...@hlpea.org.uk> wrote:
>
> This is advice on another tangent, but if you're just learning,
> consider investing in some cheap hobby paint. I don't know what the
> UK equivilinat (of the brand or the store), but at Walmart you can get
> a 2oz bottle of Delta Ceramcoat paint for about 80 cents. I built my
> initial paint selection for about $20, and I had a huge range of
> colors. I'm sure there are "craft" paints available, you should give
> them a look.
Agree with that entirely.
>
> As for actually mixing your own paints, keep in mind that experts
> really only do it for "one-off" peices, or they mix enough in an empty
> pot for an entire army. It's a truism that once you mix a color
> exactly how you like it, you'll never get the proportion right
> again.
I do mix my a lot of my own colors. Mostly to duplicate the long-lost Polly
S range of fantasy and military colors, as well as the original Partha
paints. And if you keep proper paint chips of the original color as
'proofs', you can get damn close in most instances. It just takes some
practice and reference to a decent color wheel to help you see whether
adding brown or green to a color to darken it will be useful. And to
remember you don't darken colors by just adding black. It's also much
harder to lighten a color enough to change it - it's better to always start
lighter than you need as a base color and by adding a tiny quantity of a
different, darker color, work towards your desired shade.
>
> Keep an eye out for auctions, sales, and deals. anybody leaving the
> hobby will have a bucket of paint that he'd sell for pennies on the
> dollar.
Can't comment. Generally when I need paint, I need it NOW! Typically
because the spare bottle went dry while waiting in a storage box and now I'm
really out.
Andy O'Neill
>
> another beginner question, I'm afraid.
>
> As you may remember from my earlier posts, my sons (and me :-) are
> starting off in WHF and are getting down to the pleasures of painting. So
> far we have about 12 paint pots, but there seems to be no end to the types
> and ranges of colour. Although I can see the difference between 'bestial
> brown' and 'scorched brown', I hate to pay out my hard earned money for
> every shade under the sun.
I also paint watercolours and acrylic paintings.
I mix paints and it's a huge subject which is covered in numerous painting
books.
Some free web sites I think also.
But get yourself down one of them cheap book stores do end of line stuff.
Find a book on painting - as in artists painting on canvas etc and check
it's got a colour wheel and stuff about mixing.
You should likely be able to find a book pretty cheap that way.
Failing that, get down a library.
Whilst I do mix I have a huge range of paints I use.
Mainly these are cheap ones from art stores which work out a LOT cheaper
than games workshop.
As is almost everything else such as sable brushes.
>
> I remember from my younger days the colour charts and how, with the 3
> primary colours, as well as black and white, you can make any other shade
> of colour (ignoring the metallics).
Well, you can also paint non-metal metallics.
Take a look at the articles on coolminiornot ( website ).
>
> I even found a website which seems to list this for the LOTR palette
> colours: http://www.thepalantir.org/ca/miniature/tem001/tem001.htm
>
> However, I have a practical question: without using large quantities of
> paint, how do you actually in practice measure out the paint? My current
> method consists of using the back of a brush and counting drops into an
> egg cup, but this is extrememly wasteful and difficult to 'adjust'.
Why would you be mixing large quantities?
Acrylic dries quick so I'm wondering what you're painting.
> The same question could really be used for washes - my 'drops from back of
> brush' method is unsuitable for materials with different viscosity like
> water and paint...
You want something to remove the surface tension with washes.
Detergent ( as in washing up liquid ) and or car screen wash ( isopropyl
alcohol ).
A lot of people also mix varnish which is available cheap in kohnsons
kleer - acrylic floor varnish.
>
> Does any of you experts have any hints or tips on this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Morten
> --
> Morten Pahle
> mor...@lphae.org.uk - anagram the obvious
--
Regards,
Andy O'Neill
www.wargamer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/index.htm
or, for no javascript and a faster load...
www.wargamer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sitemap.htm
Morten Pahle
Once again impressed by the speed and quality of replies in the group!
Thanks!
I think the magic word I was looking for was "glass eye dropper". Don't know
why I didn't think of it myself. Doh! And now that I've seen that, of course
I can use those plastic pipettes you get as well, or maybe even a drinks
straw with some care.
Thanks for that, and for all the other useful tips as well.
Blackheart
> Hi all.
>
> Once again impressed by the speed and quality of replies in the group!
> Thanks!
>
> I think the magic word I was looking for was "glass eye dropper". Don't know
> why I didn't think of it myself. Doh! And now that I've seen that, of course
> I can use those plastic pipettes you get as well, or maybe even a drinks
> straw with some care.
>
> Thanks for that, and for all the other useful tips as well.
>
that's a point for me and a big fat "You Fail" for everyone else in
the thread.
I win.
Chipacabra
Reproducing an exact color is very hard. There's two ways around the
problem, as I see it.
1) Make a big batch. You can buy an empty paint pot, and fill it with
enough of your custom color to cover your entire army.
2) Work in very small batches. Use a stick or eyedropper, and measure the
paint out in drops. If you go this route, it's best to do all your
painting at the same time. Make a small batch of color, paint as much as
you can with it, then add a few more drops and mix it in, mixing the new
paint with the old will help keep you closer to a constant color.
John Hwang
> As you may remember from my earlier posts, my sons (and me :-) are starting
> off in WHF and are getting down to the pleasures of painting. So far we have
> about 12 paint pots, but there seems to be no end to the types and ranges of
> colour. Although I can see the difference between 'bestial brown' and
> 'scorched brown', I hate to pay out my hard earned money for every shade
> under the sun.
I have lots more pots, but I don't use many of them very much. Pick
your key colors very carefully, and you'll be fine. Also, don't be
afraid to uses washes to tint your colors.
> However, I have a practical question: without using large quantities of
> paint, how do you actually in practice measure out the paint? My current
> method consists of using the back of a brush and counting drops into an egg
> cup, but this is extrememly wasteful and difficult to 'adjust'.
>
> The same question could really be used for washes - my 'drops from back of
> brush' method is unsuitable for materials with different viscosity like
> water and paint...
Unfortunately, I do most of this by feel, with multiple layers.
If you're not using Vallejo dropper bottles, I'm afraid you'll just have
to practice on your own.
--
--- John Hwang "JohnHwang...@cs.com.no.com"
\-|-/
| A.K.D. F.E.M.C.
| Horned Blood Cross Terror LED Speed Jagd Destiny
MJB
"Blackheart" <blackhear...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171938396....@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> that's a point for me and a big fat "You Fail" for everyone else in
> the thread.
> I win.
>
Go Blackie go!
Go Blackie go!
Yayyyyy Blackheart!
<grin>
If winning on RGMW is what it takes to keep you off the slab in a mortuary
or from washing your ex's blood off your hands...
Blackheart
> "Blackheart" <blackheart666_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1171938396....@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > that's a point for me and a big fat "You Fail" for everyone else in
> > the thread.
> > I win.
>
> Go Blackie go!
>
> Go Blackie go!
>
> Yayyyyy Blackheart!
>
> <grin>
>
> If winning on RGMW is what it takes to keep you off the slab in a mortuary
> or from washing your ex's blood off your hands...
that story gets more interesting as it goes....
Robert Singers
>> If winning on RGMW is what it takes to keep you off the slab in a
>> mortuary or from washing your ex's blood off your hands...
>
> that story gets more interesting as it goes....
<wakes up> Hmmm what washing your hair in your ex's blood, how 1600s <nods
off>
--
Rob Singers
RGMW FAQ Maintainer. See it @ http://www.rgmw.org
Foemina Erit Ruina Tua
MJB
> On Feb 20, 4:13 pm, "MJB" <mrt...@OLDsguy.com> wrote:
>> "Blackheart" <blackheart666_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1171938396....@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> mortuary
>> or from washing your ex's blood off your hands...
>
> that story gets more interesting as it goes....
>
Only if Joan Jett was your Ex could you make this tale any more interesting.
Showing my age, but that woman could RAWK!
<grin>
Blackheart
wrote:
> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea Blackheart said
>
> >> If winning on RGMW is what it takes to keep you off the slab in a
> >> mortuary or from washing your ex's blood off your hands...
>
> > that story gets more interesting as it goes....
>
> <wakes up> Hmmm what washing your hair in your ex's blood, how 1600s <nods
> off>
>
a bottle of NyQuil and about 5 Sudafed will make sure you don't have
that "waking up" problem for awhile...
Robert Singers
> a bottle of NyQuil and about 5 Sudafed will make sure you don't have
> that "waking up" problem for awhile...
The G&Ts taste better, but you can be Jeeves if you wish.
Blackheart
wrote:
> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea Blackheart said
>
> > a bottle of NyQuil and about 5 Sudafed will make sure you don't have
> > that "waking up" problem for awhile...
>
> The G&Ts taste better, but you can be Jeeves if you wish.
>
you might pay better than what I'm doing now... but the logistics
could still be an issue.
Robert Singers
> you might pay better than what I'm doing now... but the logistics
> could still be an issue.
What? <waves glass> the bar is just over there.
Blackheart
wrote:
> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea Blackheart said
>
> > you might pay better than what I'm doing now... but the logistics
> > could still be an issue.
>
> What? <waves glass> the bar is just over there.
lol... "just over there" would be a hell of a walk from over here.
I'd suggest investing in some hobbits.
Robert Singers
> On Feb 22, 2:11 am, Robert Singers <rsing...@finger.hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea Blackheart said
>>
>> > you might pay better than what I'm doing now... but the logistics
>> > could still be an issue.
>>
>> What? <waves glass> the bar is just over there.
>
> lol... "just over there" would be a hell of a walk from over here.
>
> I'd suggest investing in some hobbits.
Mmmm nice bar snacks but they're awfully morish. They never last long.
Myrmidon
>
> "Blackheart" <blackhear...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1172024607.6...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 20, 4:13 pm, "MJB" <mrt...@OLDsguy.com> wrote:
> >> "Blackheart" <blackheart666_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:1171938396....@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> If winning on RGMW is what it takes to keep you off the slab in a
> >> mortuary
> >> or from washing your ex's blood off your hands...
> >
> > that story gets more interesting as it goes....
> >
>
> Only if Joan Jett was your Ex could you make this tale any more interesting.
>
> Showing my age, but that woman could RAWK!
>
> <grin>
Ohhhh! Joan Jett in tight leather pants. Ummmm....
Myr ;)
--
"To much affection always leads to violence."
- My wife - while petting our feral kitty.
RGMW FAQ: http://www.rgmw.org