Just a few Space Marine questions
S. Mardanbeigi
First, do most people care if you use Blood Angel rules with an army of SM's
painted like Ultramarines? A few people in my FB group have a few problems
with little things like that...
Second, will Terminators with Thunderhammers/Storm Shields be useful even if
Terminators have a 5+ invis save? The way I see it, you could substitute
regular stormbolter/power fist termies in, get pretty much the same results
in hth combat (except vs characters), taking a few more casualties though,
and be able to shoot during the shooting phase.
All comments are welcome, thanks in advance.
liam phillips
S. Mardanbeigi wrote in message ...
>Just got to pretty simple questions:
>First, do most people care if you use Blood Angel rules with an army of
SM's
>painted like Ultramarines? A few people in my FB group have a few problems
>with little things like that...
I don't play 40K3, but these players that are using BA rules with armies
painted like Ultramarines are the epitomy of cheese. The game they are in
fact playing is Warchedder 40,000. Let them cheese it out amongst
themselves.
I remember Jervis wrote an article a few years back about things like this.
People creating their own chapters, using Clalgar as the commander,
Mephiston as the Psyker, Blood Claws as the assualt squad and Bjorn as the
dreadnought. Give them all a slap of black paint and call them the
'Emperor's Cheese' or something.
S. Mardanbeigi
a dash of DA, maybe a table spoon of SW. What I mean is using the entire BA
codex. I was thinking of trying DA too. I just want to make sure I don't
have to spend 30 minutes arguing (and therefore ruining any fun) about how
my blue space marines MUST follow the Codex:Space Marine rules. I think it
would be a lot more interesting if I used different chapters for my marines
each time I play. Some of you may disagree.
liam phillips <liam...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Geoff Watson
S. Mardanbeigi <woe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just got to pretty simple questions:
> First, do most people care if you use Blood Angel rules with an army of
SM's
> painted like Ultramarines? A few people in my FB group have a few
problems
> with little things like that...
if
> Terminators have a 5+ invis save? The way I see it, you could substitute
> regular stormbolter/power fist termies in, get pretty much the same
results
> in hth combat (except vs characters), taking a few more casualties though,
> and be able to shoot during the shooting phase.
> All comments are welcome, thanks in advance.
>
>
I wouldn't mind, as long as you told me beforehand and explained any special
rules that Blood Angels get, (and don't forget the penalties, I've had Chaos
players do that).
I might be a bit annoyed as BA get a lot of advantages and bugger all
penalties, but that's a different issue.
They could just be a Second Founding chapter that uses a different paint job
(Blue Bloods?).
Geoff.
Richard Lobinske
>painted like Ultramarines? A few people in my FB group have a few problems
>with little things like that...
As long as you are fully following the BA codex, tell the anal retentives to
get buggered, say you are a Second Founding with a blue paint job.
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|
| S. Mardanbeigi wrote in message ...
| SM's
| >painted like Ultramarines? A few people in my FB group have a few problems
| >with little things like that...
|
|
| painted like Ultramarines are the epitomy of cheese.
Hardly....
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La Grief
S. Mardanbeigi <woe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| First, do most people care if you use Blood Angel rules with an army of SM's
| painted like Ultramarines? A few people in my FB group have a few problems
| with little things like that...
Yes, paint them as BA's :) To be honest I don't have a problem, they are only
painted the wrong colour...
| Second, will Terminators with Thunderhammers/Storm Shields be useful even if
| Terminators have a 5+ invis save?
Yes, as the storm shield only works once per phase AFAIK.
Stuart Leckie
fatalities, S. Mardanbeigi met Barry White, who broke into whale song:
>I don't mean take a certain part of the BA army, mix in a little vanilla SM,
>a dash of DA, maybe a table spoon of SW. What I mean is using the entire BA
>codex. I was thinking of trying DA too. I just want to make sure I don't
>have to spend 30 minutes arguing (and therefore ruining any fun) about how
>my blue space marines MUST follow the Codex:Space Marine rules. I think it
>would be a lot more interesting if I used different chapters for my marines
>each time I play. Some of you may disagree.
>
whatever) and fuck them if they don't like it.
L.J Stuart
Riboflavin
>First, do most people care if you use Blood Angel rules with an army of
SM's
>painted like
No reasonable people care. Anyone who would complain that your marines
aren't painted as some particular chapter must be a fruitcake, and is
therefore not a reasonable person. If you're using one set of rules (not
mixing and matching), then it's all fine and dandy.
>Ultramarines?
WHOOPS! What you mean is your custom chapter, the Angels of [something], who
are a BA successor chapter and who's paint scheme JUST HAPPENS to be
strikingly similar to the Ultramarines.
> A few people in my FB group have a few problems
>with little things like that...
What a bunch of gibbering idiots.
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Riboflavin
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>S. Mardanbeigi wrote in message ...
>>Just got to pretty simple questions:
>>First, do most people care if you use Blood Angel rules with an army of
>SM's
problems
>>with little things like that...
>
>painted like Ultramarines are the epitomy of cheese.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Go home you moronic GW fanboy. I'm sure GW would like for people to buy
multiple SM armies and paint each one up in Official GW ColoUrs(tm) using
Official GW Transfers (tm) for all of the badges, but sane people don't
consider paintjobs to be cheese.
>The game they are in
>fact playing is Warchedder 40,000. Let them cheese it out amongst
>themselves.
Yeah, not having armies painted in Official GW Color Schemes (tm) is cheese.
Now I'm wondering if a monkey with a head wound broke into your apartment
and typed that message.
>I remember Jervis wrote an article a few years back about things like this.
>People creating their own chapters, using Clalgar as the commander,
>Mephiston as the Psyker, Blood Claws as the assualt squad and Bjorn as the
>dreadnought. Give them all a slap of black paint and call them the
>'Emperor's Cheese' or something.
>
I remember when some idiot on the newsgroup said that using a single SM list
for a single SM army was cheese because the paintjob on the marines didn't
meet his approval. What a maroon..
Big Al
according to the rules (ie. no special characters outside of Blood Angels
special characters), it shouldn't really matter what you paint them. Where's
the fun and creativity if you can't paint your miniatures the way you want
them? The only thing I personally adhere to is painting the helmets properly
for squads (blue for devestator, yellow for assault), but the rest is up to
you. Anyone who's got a problem with that needs therapy and probably takes
the game way too seriously to be considered a worthy opponent.
Torchsong
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Jason Larke <jla...@uu.net> wrote in message
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> >>>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:17:31 -0400, "Riboflavin"
> >>>>> <ri...@mindspring.com> said:
>
> R> Go home you moronic GW fanboy. I'm sure GW would like for
> R> people to buy multiple SM armies and paint each one up in
> R> Official GW ColoUrs(tm) using Official GW Transfers (tm) for
> R> all of the badges, but sane people don't consider paintjobs to
> R> be cheese.
>
> If they actually wanted people to use the transfers, wouldn't
> they make some that don't suck and sell them widely?
>
> The new SM transfer sheet is totally lame. I could live with the
> part where it's a wee bit *large* to only have enough transfers
> for five men. But, if they have shoulder pad insignia for five
> Blood Angels, why do they only have kneepad insignia for three?
> HELLO?
>
> I'm also annoyed that the new sheet offers fewer possibilities
> than the old BA Tac Squad I and II sheets did. Not that even the
> old ones covered half the legal insignia possibilities, of
> course, but it's fine to leave *some* room for the people who are
> really good freehand painters to show off.
>
> But the new one just sucks.
>
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liam phillips
>Yeah, not having armies painted in Official GW Color Schemes (tm) is
cheese.
>Now I'm wondering if a monkey with a head wound broke into your apartment
>and typed that message.
>>I remember Jervis wrote an article a few years back about things like
this.
>>People creating their own chapters, using Clalgar as the commander,
>>Mephiston as the Psyker, Blood Claws as the assualt squad and Bjorn as the
>>dreadnought. Give them all a slap of black paint and call them the
>>'Emperor's Cheese' or something.
>>
>I remember when some idiot on the newsgroup said that using a single SM
list
>for a single SM army was cheese because the paintjob on the marines didn't
>meet his approval. What a maroon..
If you lay down a group of bright blue space marines on the table and
happily inform me that they are blood angels, then I'm very much afraid it
is you who have the misty eyed look of a gibbering mongoloid.
Look, tard boy, all it means is that you are totally concerned with rules
and don't give a toss about anything else. The rules are designed so you can
create a SM chapter and paint it any colour you want, why then use the BA
codex? Far from being a GW fan-boy, I'm mearly logical. If that offends your
inferior intellect, then I apologise.
What a sad, pathetic waste of semen you are.
Riboflavin
>>I remember when some idiot on the newsgroup said that using a single SM
>list
>>for a single SM army was cheese because the paintjob on the marines didn't
>>meet his approval. What a maroon..
>
>If you lay down a group of bright blue space marines on the table and
>happily inform me that they are blood angels,
Can you read English? Call them the Angels Azure, and they're a BA SUCCESSOR
chapter, with BA geneseed and BA rules. I am glad to know, though, that you
won't play against chapters like the Flesh Tearers, Blood Drinkers, or any
of the other BA successors who use BA rules but not the BA paint scheme or
name.
>then I'm very much afraid it
>is you who have the misty eyed look of a gibbering mongoloid.
Ahh, so now racism enters into it. Glad to see your true colors shine
through. Do you allow 'mongoloid' or 'chink', as they're more commonly
known, players in your games at all?
>Look, tard boy, all it means is that you are totally concerned with rules
>and don't give a toss about anything else.
You're quite right; as Shakespeare said, the play's the thing. As long as my
opponent's army is distinguishable (not 'oh, this skeleton is a marine with
a ML, this skeleton is a Land Raider...), I honestly don't give a rat's ass
whether it's painted in a GW Approved Paint Scheme(tm) or whether the models
are correct with GW Approved Conversions(tm) only.. I'm concerned with
playing the game, not with enforcing nonsensical painting rules on people; I
don't think it's reasonable for me to decide what color my opponent has to
paint the miniatures he spent several hundred dollars of HIS money on. If
someone wants to try out the templar's army list, I'm not going to whine
because they haven't painted their marines black. If someone wants to play
with the BA list for a day, they don't then have to slap on red paint.
It sounds like you're the pathetic GW type who has a conniption fit when
someone doesn't stick to an approved paint scheme. BTW, heaven forbid you
ever come to the shop I play at. I committed the heinous crime of using 2
unpainted razorbacks today, and I saw a game where (stop if you have heart
trouble) a guy was using a Land Raider in a Blood Angels paint scheme with a
Dark Angels army. What's really bad, though, is that the previous week an
Ork player forgot to bring his basilisk and a chaos player forgot his havok
squad, so there was a Bearers of Salvation whirlwind in an ORK army, and a
Bearers of Salvation dev squad in a CHAOS army.
I won't even get into that 'nid player who uses a batch of Eldar units for
termagents and hormagaunts while he waits for the plastics to come out
(they're not painted Tyrannid colors, BTW). I'm sure you'd drop dead at the
sight of some kid not buying 60 lead figures for his cannon fodder. I mean,
how will poor GW survive the loss? That little bastard is going to drive
them to bankruptcy.
>The rules are designed so you can
>create a SM chapter and paint it any colour you want, why then use the BA
>codex?
The rules are desinged so you can create a successor to any SM chapter,
paint it any color you want, and use whichever Codex most suits your army's
makeup. Heaven forbid any BA successor chapters exist!
>Far from being a GW fan-boy,
*snicker* 'OHHH, I'M NOT A GW FANBOY, BUT I FORBID PEOPLE FROM PLAYING WITH
NON-GW-APPROVED PAINT SCHEMES!'
>I'm mearly logical.
If by 'logical' you mean 'full of shit', then you're correct.
>If that offends your
>inferior intellect, then I apologise.
I have enough intellect to gain enjoyment from playing the game rather than
whining about whether my opponent's paint scheme is proper. I really get a
kick out of you GW-brainwashed types with your insistence that people buy
and paint new armies if they want to try a different army list.
>What a sad, pathetic waste of semen you are.
>
That's a really poor insult, it just made me laugh. You need to work on it a
bit.
liam phillips
>>then I'm very much afraid it
>>is you who have the misty eyed look of a gibbering mongoloid.
>
>
>Ahh, so now racism enters into it. Glad to see your true colors shine
>through. Do you allow 'mongoloid' or 'chink', as they're more commonly
>known, players in your games at all?
>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA heh, heh, ha ha....Mongoloid being an outdated term for one
afflicted with Down Syndrome. Someone, very much like youreself.
Yes, I suppose I could work on my insults a bit, but this advice is coming
from you who say, amongst other pieces of inspired meaningless cliches, that
I am: "Full of Shit" - what a devestating blow that was.
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I see though that you completely avoided his reasoned, exceptionally
well structured deconstruction of your philisophical stance. Where is
your counter-argument, your witty comeback, your barbed retort? They
are lacking because he COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED your argument. Why can't
you just admit that and apologise. You were looking so promising as
well.
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"S. Mardanbeigi" <woe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just got to pretty simple questions:
> First, do most people care if you use Blood Angel rules with an army
of SM's
> painted like Ultramarines? A few people in my FB group have a few
problems
> with little things like that...
even if
substitute
> regular stormbolter/power fist termies in, get pretty much the same
results
> in hth combat (except vs characters), taking a few more casualties
though,
> and be able to shoot during the shooting phase.
> All comments are welcome, thanks in advance.
Honestly, I would have a bit of a problem with that. Why? Because no
one at the store I play at ever seems to use Codex: Marines anymore.
No, they ALL play Blood Angels. And hell, someone just happens to paint
up a squad of ultramarines, plays them awhile, and then realizes "Wow
those blood angels have some really good rules! I think I want to play
them instead but I don't feel like repainting all my marines." Why not
try instead of going for power armies, to play basic marines?
-Stephen
griffonsclaw
gaming shit in it...watch it all burn and melt...never buy or play
another miniatures game again. People like you take all the fun out of
the games and push new players away. Drop off the face of the world
you moron.
-griffonsclaw
In article <39855f31$0$11189$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>,
"liam phillips" <liam...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> >>then I'm very much afraid it
> >>is you who have the misty eyed look of a gibbering mongoloid.
> >
> >
> >Ahh, so now racism enters into it. Glad to see your true colors shine
> >through. Do you allow 'mongoloid' or 'chink', as they're more
commonly
> >known, players in your games at all?
> >
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA heh, heh, ha ha....Mongoloid being an outdated term
for one
> afflicted with Down Syndrome. Someone, very much like youreself.
>
> Yes, I suppose I could work on my insults a bit, but this advice is
coming
> from you who say, amongst other pieces of inspired meaningless
cliches, that
> I am: "Full of Shit" - what a devestating blow that was.
>
>
La Grief
|
|
|
| >Yeah, not having armies painted in Official GW Color Schemes (tm) is
| cheese.
| >Now I'm wondering if a monkey with a head wound broke into your apartment
| >and typed that message.
|
|
| >>I remember Jervis wrote an article a few years back about things like
| this.
| >>People creating their own chapters, using Clalgar as the commander,
| >>Mephiston as the Psyker, Blood Claws as the assualt squad and Bjorn as the
| >>dreadnought. Give them all a slap of black paint and call them the
| >>'Emperor's Cheese' or something.
| >>
| list
| >for a single SM army was cheese because the paintjob on the marines didn't
| >meet his approval. What a maroon..
|
|
| If you lay down a group of bright blue space marines on the table and
| is you who have the misty eyed look of a gibbering mongoloid.
|
| create a SM chapter and paint it any colour you want, why then use the BA
| inferior intellect, then I apologise.
Tell me, does the fact they are painted blue make them harder to beat? no,
therefore they aren't any more cheesy than me using bright pink Ulthwé guardians.
Get a clue.
La Grief
|
| >>then I'm very much afraid it
| >>is you who have the misty eyed look of a gibbering mongoloid.
| >
| >
| >through. Do you allow 'mongoloid' or 'chink', as they're more commonly
| >known, players in your games at all?
| >
|
| HAHAHAHAHAHAHA heh, heh, ha ha....Mongoloid being an outdated term for one
| afflicted with Down Syndrome. Someone, very much like youreself.
Well done, you have just made yourself look so very stupid.
Riboflavin
>Tell me, does the fact they are painted blue make them harder to beat? no,
>therefore they aren't any more cheesy than me using bright pink Ulthwé
guardians.
>Get a clue.
>
army. Everyone knows the blue ones are lucky...
Chris Remo (aka Chrisman)
liam phillips <liam...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> >>then I'm very much afraid it
> >>is you who have the misty eyed look of a gibbering mongoloid.
> >
> >
> >Ahh, so now racism enters into it. Glad to see your true colors shine
> >through. Do you allow 'mongoloid' or 'chink', as they're more commonly
> >known, players in your games at all?
> >
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA heh, heh, ha ha....Mongoloid being an outdated term for one
> afflicted with Down Syndrome. Someone, very much like youreself.
"Outdated" being the key word there.
> Yes, I suppose I could work on my insults a bit
I'll second that!
> but this advice is coming
> from you who say, amongst other pieces of inspired meaningless cliches,
that
> I am: "Full of Shit" - what a devestating blow that was.
You're full of shit
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Chris Remo (aka Chrisman)
no,
> | >therefore they aren't any more cheesy than me using bright pink Ulthwé
> | guardians.
> | >Get a clue.
> | >
> | BTW, Lee, I would call cheese if you tried to play some blue-painted Ork
> | army. Everyone knows the blue ones are lucky...
>
gamer...
Shit, remind me never to play you.
--
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Riboflavin
>Look, I wasn't the one who started all the antagonism,
Yes you did. You said that someone with a paint job that doesn't match what
you want them to have was playing cheesily.
Riboflavin
liam phillips wrote in message
>
>>>then I'm very much afraid it
>>>is you who have the misty eyed look of a gibbering mongoloid.
>>
>>
>>Ahh, so now racism enters into it. Glad to see your true colors shine
>>through. Do you allow 'mongoloid' or 'chink', as they're more commonly
>>known, players in your games at all?
>>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA heh, heh, ha ha....Mongoloid being an outdated term for one
>afflicted with Down Syndrome. Someone, very much like youreself.
Yup. And do you know WHY it's outdated? Because the person who coined the
term regarded Down's Syndrome sufferers as an evolutionary throwback to the
primitive asians, and so referred to them as mongoloid because they looked
vaguely asian and were not very intelligent, which to him meant that they
fit right in with the rest of them. It's an outdated term because it's a
racist term.
>Yes, I suppose I could work on my insults a bit, but this advice is coming
>from you who say, amongst other pieces of inspired meaningless cliches,
that
>I am: "Full of Shit" - what a devestating blow that was.
>
I don't generally waste creative insults on people who probably wouldn't
understand them even if all 24 of their chromosones worked on it. Plus, it's
a good descriptive term and quite apt, since you are full of shit. I notice
you wimped out on responding to any of the points being discussed, fanboy.
Riboflavin
>Honestly, I would have a bit of a problem with that. Why? Because no
>one at the store I play at ever seems to use Codex: Marines anymore.
No one? Not even you? It seems as though you should clean up your own house
before whining about other people's paintjobs.
>No, they ALL play Blood Angels. And hell, someone just happens to paint
>up a squad of ultramarines, plays them awhile, and then realizes "Wow
>those blood angels have some really good rules! I think I want to play
>them instead but I don't feel like repainting all my marines." Why not
>try instead of going for power armies, to play basic marines?
>
Funny how you're willing to tell other people what to do with the minis they
paid money for and spent time painting. I'll tell you what, if you buy the
guy a new army and paint it for him, you can make him play with whatever
rules you want, OK?
Riboflavin
>What, as stupid as someone who thought I was being racist agaionst someone
I
>can't even see? Yeah, okay. As stupid as someone who had no idea of the
>term 'mongoloid' in the context I was using it in?
You're the one too stupid to know that the context you were using mongoloid
in was racist.
> Yeah okay. As stupid as
>someone who decided to take a stance filled with such loathing hatred on a
>topic that barely warranted it? Yeah okay.
I loathe any idiot that tries to tell someone else how to paint thier minis.
If I spend $300 on an army, some gibbering fanboy isn't going to tell me how
to paint them. If I want to paint them caution orange with blue highlights,
put tutus on them, and use the BA list for them, they're my minis and I'll
do what I want with them.
>All of these pathetic replies basically come down to two things.
>
>a) an immediate adverse reaction to someone new appearing on the newsgroup,
>that some 'oldies' really can't stand - a phenomenon that after years of
>being on newsgroups I still really can't understand (except maybe
>alt.tasteless). And,
LOL. You fanboys need to get a clue. I didn't even realize you were new (I
thought you were another Liam who's been around here before), I just saw the
GW-fanboy rantings induced by your spare chromosone and responded to them.
Look at what you wrote - it can be paraphrased to 'Anyone who uses a paint
scheme I don't like is cheesemongering.'
>b) A feeling of complete insecurity at someone who is not only a 'newbie',
>but is also prepared to defend themselves when unjustly attacked.
So why aren't you defending yourself? Where's your brilliant post
demolishing my point-by-point rebuttal of your inane fanboyish rantings?
Where's the defense of your 'every color scheme must be OK'ed by me' rules?
>Sorry, next time I'll cower away at all of your attempts to insult me and
>make you feel like you've really let me have it. Heh.
>
BTW, you're still full of shit.
Riboflavin
>Riboflavin <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>| BTW, Lee, I would call cheese if you tried to play some blue-painted Ork
>| army. Everyone knows the blue ones are lucky...
>
>I'm fucked, my orks are a lighter and dustier green, I'm such a power
gamer...
>
According to Games Workshop, Orks in the Ork Codex are a dark green and not
dusty at all. Therefore, you have to use the rulebook list for your orks,
you mongoloid cheesemonger.
</Liam>
La Grief
| La Grief wrote in message <8m4an5$nl6$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
| >Tell me, does the fact they are painted blue make them harder to beat? no,
| >therefore they aren't any more cheesy than me using bright pink Ulthwé
| guardians.
| >Get a clue.
| >
| army. Everyone knows the blue ones are lucky...
I'm fucked, my orks are a lighter and dustier green, I'm such a power gamer...
--
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friend riboflavin for going off half-cocked and starting the agression. You
would of course know this if you bothered to read the progression of the
posts.
griffonsclaw wrote in message <8m3u2n$pqe$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
liam phillips
>| HAHAHAHAHAHAHA heh, heh, ha ha....Mongoloid being an outdated term for
one
>| afflicted with Down Syndrome. Someone, very much like youreself.
>
>
What, as stupid as someone who thought I was being racist agaionst someone I
can't even see? Yeah, okay. As stupid as someone who had no idea of the
term 'mongoloid' in the context I was using it in? Yeah okay. As stupid as
someone who decided to take a stance filled with such loathing hatred on a
topic that barely warranted it? Yeah okay.
All of these pathetic replies basically come down to two things.
a) an immediate adverse reaction to someone new appearing on the newsgroup,
that some 'oldies' really can't stand - a phenomenon that after years of
being on newsgroups I still really can't understand (except maybe
alt.tasteless). And,
b) A feeling of complete insecurity at someone who is not only a 'newbie',
but is also prepared to defend themselves when unjustly attacked.
Sorry, next time I'll cower away at all of your attempts to insult me and
La Grief
| Look, I wasn't the one who started all the antagonism, you can blame your
| friend riboflavin for going off half-cocked and starting the agression. You
| would of course know this if you bothered to read the progression of the
| posts.
I did read the progression of the posts, you're an idiot.
Frank
<liam...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>>| HAHAHAHAHAHAHA heh, heh, ha ha....Mongoloid being an outdated term for
>one
>>| afflicted with Down Syndrome. Someone, very much like youreself.
>>
>>Well done, you have just made yourself look so very stupid.
>What, as stupid as someone who thought I was being racist agaionst someone I
>can't even see?
Hint: Mongoloid is also a racist term meaning East Asian
Peoples. It is roughly the same (and carries a similar stigma) as
"Nigger".
The Downs Syndrome reference came later, and is an insult
based upon the fact that Downs Syndrome can cause the eyes to be
spaced further apart on the head granting a more asian look.
If you don't know what the term means, DON'T USE IT! Don't
call people "Nigger", "Mongoloid", or "Towel Head". Just... don't do
it. It's rude, and unlike rude terms like "Fuck" and "Shit" is highly
specific and incredibly offensive.
>Yeah, okay. As stupid as someone who had no idea of the
>term 'mongoloid' in the context I was using it in? Yeah okay. As stupid as
>someone who decided to take a stance filled with such loathing hatred on a
>topic that barely warranted it? Yeah okay.
On final note, many Black people have reclaimed the word
"Nigger", and there are some contexts in which it is not offensive. To
my knowledge, there are no Asians running around saying "This is to
all my Mongoloids out there!", so mongoloid is always offensive, all
of the time, in every context.
Frank
Matthew Maggio
liam phillips wrote:
> >| HAHAHAHAHAHAHA heh, heh, ha ha....Mongoloid being an outdated term >|for
> one
> >| afflicted with Down Syndrome. Someone, very much like youreself.
> >
> >Well done, you have just made yourself look so very stupid.
>
> What, as stupid as someone who thought I was being racist agaionst someone I
> can't even see? Yeah, okay. As stupid as someone who had no idea of the
> term 'mongoloid' in the context I was using it in? Yeah okay. As stupid as
> someone who decided to take a stance filled with such loathing hatred on a
> topic that barely warranted it? Yeah okay.
Do you know how the term "mongoloid" came about? It was used as an epithet
for Down's Syndrome comparing them to the people of Asian descent (the old term
being, you guessed it, "mongoloid"). You meant it as a mocking way of saying
that the person you were responding to had Down's Syndrome (which, being a
genetic disorder, is in no way the sufferer's fault) and also insulted people of
Asian descent by reinforcing the bigotted, completely false link between Asians
and Down's Syndrome. So, you're either an idiot, a waste of organic molecules,
or both. FOAD.
> All of these pathetic replies basically come down to two things.
>
> a) an immediate adverse reaction to someone new appearing on the newsgroup,
> that some 'oldies' really can't stand - a phenomenon that after years of
> being on newsgroups I still really can't understand (except maybe
> alt.tasteless). And,
Um, no. Many newbies lurk for a while, make positive contributions, and do
fine. All but the very few original posters were newbies once. I was never
flamed as a newbie.
> b) A feeling of complete insecurity at someone who is not only a 'newbie',
> but is also prepared to defend themselves when unjustly attacked.
Unjustly attacked? Look above, and think about what you said. And you're
only giving yourself more rope with each reply.
> Sorry, next time I'll cower away at all of your attempts to insult me and
> make you feel like you've really let me have it. Heh.
Sorry, but my life doesn't revolve around the feelings of those who stumble
onto a forum, shit on the floor, and then complain about the stink. *plonk*
--
Matt, King of Ireland, Owner/Operator of the Emerald Isle (thanks, Hannah)
The new, more user friendly signature.
I'm not Swedish or Danish, damn it!
Website: www.crosswinds.net/~matthewmaggio
incrdbil
wrote:
>paladin...@my-deja.com wrote in message
>>Honestly, I would have a bit of a problem with that. Why? Because no
>>one at the store I play at ever seems to use Codex: Marines anymore.
am i one of the few space Wolf players who is tempted to run a
standard Marine Army?
theres nothign wrong with them. Nothing!
liam phillips
>you want them to have was playing cheesily.
Okay. I was wrong. I already said that. My misunderstanding came from the
fact I thought the poster was refering to someone using an army, and also
incorporating BA rules into it, as part of their 'new chapter'. I understand
this to be now incorrect, and your point of being able to paint the army any
colour you desire is indeed true. My Blood Drinkers army is in fact almost
entirely grey...
It has nothing to do with what 'I want them to have', more simply what they
themselves want. I see your point as being a valid one, but the original
point I was trying to make was one that was kinda mentioned below. If you
are happily playing your army and then they it all of a sudden becomes a
BAarmy just because the codex comes out, then I beleive that to be cheese.
I am deliberatly restraining from pointless insults, as you particularly
were banging on about discussing the point at hand. So I have.
liam phillips
>
> Sorry, but my life doesn't revolve around the feelings of those who
stumble
>onto a forum, shit on the floor, and then complain about the stink.
*plonk*
>
bright purple backside and giant buck teeth, call it mathew, sit it front of
a computer and let it bash away at the keys for a while. I'll hold my breath
for hamlet.
mol...@my-deja.com
"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> So why aren't you defending yourself? Where's your brilliant post
> demolishing my point-by-point rebuttal of your inane fanboyish
rantings?
> Where's the defense of your 'every color scheme must be OK'ed by me'
rules?
>
Stop stealing my lines :)
--
Alistair Hutton
Life is good and life goes on
paladin...@my-deja.com
"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> paladin...@my-deja.com wrote in message
> >Honestly, I would have a bit of a problem with that. Why? Because
no
> >one at the store I play at ever seems to use Codex: Marines anymore.
>
house
> before whining about other people's paintjobs.
My house is plenty clean, thank you. That's what I spent all Saturday
morning doing. Now did you have a point with that last statement?
> >No, they ALL play Blood Angels. And hell, someone just happens to
paint
> >up a squad of ultramarines, plays them awhile, and then realizes "Wow
> >those blood angels have some really good rules! I think I want to
play
> >them instead but I don't feel like repainting all my marines." Why
not
> >try instead of going for power armies, to play basic marines?
> >
> Funny how you're willing to tell other people what to do with the
minis they
> paid money for and spent time painting. I'll tell you what, if you buy
the
> guy a new army and paint it for him, you can make him play with
whatever
> rules you want, OK?
If someone goes to the trouble to BUY GW's miniatures and then proceeds
to paint them using the Ultramarine's colors, why would they not use the
Ultramarines rules? Does it not seem a little bit odd to you that they
chose instead to play with the most unbalanced army book out?
I would not allow someone to play me in a tournament with ultramarine
models and using the blood angels codex. I'm sorry, that's just me
being anal-retentive. If it was a friendly game, then I'd agree to it,
but only once.
If the guy had made up his own color scheme, then go for it. But not if
you're using a GW scheme for a completely different army list.
-Stephen
La Grief
|
| >| HAHAHAHAHAHAHA heh, heh, ha ha....Mongoloid being an outdated term for
| one
| >| afflicted with Down Syndrome. Someone, very much like youreself.
| >
| >Well done, you have just made yourself look so very stupid.
| >
|
| What, as stupid as someone who thought I was being racist agaionst someone I
| can't even see? Yeah, okay. As stupid as someone who had no idea of the
| term 'mongoloid' in the context I was using it in?
Uh, well there are two exact meanings of the same word, no-one is stupid if they
misinterpret something that could easily be one of two meanings.
| Yeah okay. As stupid as
| someone who decided to take a stance filled with such loathing hatred on a
| topic that barely warranted it? Yeah okay.
|
| All of these pathetic replies basically come down to two things.
|
| a) an immediate adverse reaction to someone new appearing on the newsgroup,
| that some 'oldies' really can't stand - a phenomenon that after years of
| being on newsgroups I still really can't understand (except maybe
| alt.tasteless). And,
No, it's an adverse reaction to an idiot, we can't stand idiots.
| b) A feeling of complete insecurity at someone who is not only a 'newbie',
| but is also prepared to defend themselves when unjustly attacked.
You weren't unjustifyably attacked though were you? you made a stupid idiotc
comment and then proceeded to insult people rather than put your claims back to
right. idiot.
| Sorry, next time I'll cower away at all of your attempts to insult me and
| make you feel like you've really let me have it. Heh.
No, liam. I'll spell it out to you, you made a stupid answer and then followed it
up with loads of stupid digs at people. I'm not Roboflavin's number 1 fan, but
that doesn't mean I can't see you as an idiot when you atempt to flame him. In
other words, you're an idiot.
La Grief
And people are actually still wondering why you're an idiot.
"A feeling of complete insecurity at someone who is not only a 'newbie',
but is also prepared to defend themselves when unjustly attacked."
This is what you said right? well you've been justifiably attacked, so what do you
do....oh yes, act like an idiot...
mol...@my-deja.com
"liam phillips" <liam...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Alright, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to Mathew, to Riboflavin and to
yourself.
<SNIP-A-DOO>
but at the same time I am not pleased I caused
> such a disription to the board. I will admit the folly of my ways,
and will
> not create this sort of thing again.
>
Excellant, by part 3 of the Things to do Setion of the Mini-FAQ we
forgive you. Rise my son. <Clips liam round ear> Now don't do it
again :)
--
Alistair Hutton
Life is good and Life goes on
Frank
> I'm not Roboflavin's number 1 fan, but
I should hope not, last time I checked, I was Riboflavin's
number 1 fan.
Go Riboflavin!
>-Lee
Frank
Frank
>If someone goes to the trouble to BUY GW's miniatures and then proceeds
>to paint them using the Ultramarine's colors, why would they not use the
>Ultramarines rules? Does it not seem a little bit odd to you that they
>chose instead to play with the most unbalanced army book out?
If someone wanted to play spacemarines, and painted space
marines with some paintjob, and then, after the BA codex came out
discovered that for their style of play (getting into rhinos and
driving everyone forward to beat people up with chainsaws), the Blood
Angels were better, why wouldn't they play Blood Angels? There are
styles of play based on Devastator Squads, Scout Snipers, and
Whirlwinds. They can even be very effective, and regular marines kick
ass at it, and blood angels do poorly.
However, are you really saying that someone shoul repaint
their ENTIRE FORCE just to modify their style of play?
>I would not allow someone to play me in a tournament with ultramarine
>models and using the blood angels codex. I'm sorry, that's just me
>being anal-retentive. If it was a friendly game, then I'd agree to it,
>but only once.
WYSIWYG requires that the Death Company be painted differently
in order to distinguish them. If ir's a pile of Blue Marines with
white Death Company, it's still a valid chapter coloration, what's the
problem?
>If the guy had made up his own color scheme, then go for it. But not if
>you're using a GW scheme for a completely different army list.
What?
>-Stephen
Frank
paladin...@my-deja.com
rit...@cruzio.com (Frank) wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:43:12 GMT, paladin...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >If someone goes to the trouble to BUY GW's miniatures and then
proceeds
> >to paint them using the Ultramarine's colors, why would they not use
the
> >Ultramarines rules? Does it not seem a little bit odd to you that
they
> >chose instead to play with the most unbalanced army book out?
>
> If someone wanted to play spacemarines, and painted space
> marines with some paintjob, and then, after the BA codex came out
> discovered that for their style of play (getting into rhinos and
> driving everyone forward to beat people up with chainsaws), the Blood
> Angels were better, why wouldn't they play Blood Angels? There are
> styles of play based on Devastator Squads, Scout Snipers, and
> Whirlwinds. They can even be very effective, and regular marines kick
> ass at it, and blood angels do poorly.
> However, are you really saying that someone shoul repaint
> their ENTIRE FORCE just to modify their style of play?
Yes. Why? Because I am anal-retentive about that. I would have no
problem whatsoever if they painted them up in some scheme they made up
themselves, but if they paint their guys EXACTLY like the Ultramarines,
I would be a bit pissed off if he tries to pass them off as Blood
Angels.
No, I don't play Marines, ok? I know someone will ask that. And no,
I'm not a GW fanboy, either. I AM a fluff fanboy. And I know that
Ultramarines do not fight like Blood Angels.
> >I would not allow someone to play me in a tournament with ultramarine
> >models and using the blood angels codex. I'm sorry, that's just me
> >being anal-retentive. If it was a friendly game, then I'd agree to
it,
> >but only once.
>
> WYSIWYG requires that the Death Company be painted differently
> in order to distinguish them. If ir's a pile of Blue Marines with
> white Death Company, it's still a valid chapter coloration, what's the
> problem?
As long as those blue marines are not Ultramarines color schemes, then
I'm ok with it, although I have yet to see blue blood.
> >If the guy had made up his own color scheme, then go for it. But not
if
> >you're using a GW scheme for a completely different army list.
>
> What?
Ultramarines color scheme goes with C:SM, NOT C:BA.
-Stephen
Tymberwulf
>bright purple backside and giant buck teeth, call it mathew, sit it front of
>a computer and let it bash away at the keys for a while. I'll hold my breath
>for hamlet.
Yes I know this is just another insult throw by liam, but this is one of the
better insults I have seen in a while. :)
Tymberwulf
"Overkill only hurts the person you are aiming at"
S. Mardanbeigi
<paladin...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8m74rn$7l4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> but if they paint their guys EXACTLY like the Ultramarines,
> I would be a bit pissed off if he tries to pass them off as Blood
> Angels.
All right, how bout if the Marines are Enchanted Blue instead of Ultramarine
Blue and have Emerald Green shoulderpad rim-surrounding-thingies instead of
Yellow? Then would that unproblem-ify it for you? (sorry for the made up
words. I'm way too tired)
> And I know that
> Ultramarines do not fight like Blood Angels.
Which is exactly why I wanted to try BA rules. I came up with an army that
I liked, but everything in it was based on beating the crap out of my
opponent in hth combat. That's a lil more BA-ish than UM-ish no?
> As long as those blue marines are not Ultramarines color schemes, then
> I'm ok with it, although I have yet to see blue blood.
OK good so I guess Enchanted Blue/Emerald Green marines are fine? ;-)
> Ultramarines color scheme goes with C:SM, NOT C:BA.
This is exactly the reason I posted the original question...to see if people
care about it and if a 30 minute argument on how space marines are space
marines will pop up every time I want to use BA/DA/SW/any other chapter
rules.
paladin...@my-deja.com
"S. Mardanbeigi" <woe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> <paladin...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8m74rn$7l4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > but if they paint their guys EXACTLY like the Ultramarines,
> > I would be a bit pissed off if he tries to pass them off as Blood
> > Angels.
>
> All right, how bout if the Marines are Enchanted Blue instead of
Ultramarine
> Blue and have Emerald Green shoulderpad rim-surrounding-thingies
instead of
> Yellow? Then would that unproblem-ify it for you? (sorry for the
made up
> words. I'm way too tired)
Its alright.
> > And I know that
> > Ultramarines do not fight like Blood Angels.
>
> Which is exactly why I wanted to try BA rules. I came up with an army
that
> I liked, but everything in it was based on beating the crap out of my
> opponent in hth combat. That's a lil more BA-ish than UM-ish no?
Yes, it is.
> > As long as those blue marines are not Ultramarines color schemes,
then
> > I'm ok with it, although I have yet to see blue blood.
>
> OK good so I guess Enchanted Blue/Emerald Green marines are fine? ;-)
Possibly.
> > Ultramarines color scheme goes with C:SM, NOT C:BA.
>
> This is exactly the reason I posted the original question...to see if
people
> care about it and if a 30 minute argument on how space marines are
space
> marines will pop up every time I want to use BA/DA/SW/any other
chapter
> rules.
See, I don't know if we are on the same page or not. I wouldn't care
one bit if you are just using your Ultramarines in a few battles using
the Blood Angels rules, or the Space Wolves, or the Dark
Angels/Salamanders/Black Templars/etc. That's perfectly alright with
me. The only problem I would have would be if you chose to play one of
those other chapters permanently and never bothered to repaint your
mini's to fit the color scheme.
And yes, there ARE particular color schemes to go with particular
chapters, if you want to go about things in a fluffy way.
Shim
expounded:
>> a) an immediate adverse reaction to someone new appearing on the newsgroup,
>> that some 'oldies' really can't stand - a phenomenon that after years of
>> being on newsgroups I still really can't understand (except maybe
>> alt.tasteless). And,
>
> Um, no. Many newbies lurk for a while, make positive contributions, and do
>fine. All but the very few original posters were newbies once. I was never
>flamed as a newbie.
Oh, I'm not sure.
[flip, flip]
Shit, you weren't. Made up for it later, though.
Made any donations to Sinn Fein recently, eh? <g>
-Shim.
Never hang up; never give in,
never sell out & never stop thinking.
Big Al
>
> liam phillips wrote:
>
> > >| HAHAHAHAHAHAHA heh, heh, ha ha....Mongoloid being an outdated term >|for
> > one
> > >| afflicted with Down Syndrome. Someone, very much like youreself.
> > >
> > >Well done, you have just made yourself look so very stupid.
> >
> > What, as stupid as someone who thought I was being racist agaionst someone I
> > can't even see? Yeah, okay. As stupid as someone who had no idea of the
> > someone who decided to take a stance filled with such loathing hatred on a
> > topic that barely warranted it? Yeah okay.
>
> for Down's Syndrome comparing them to the people of Asian descent (the old term
> being, you guessed it, "mongoloid"). You meant it as a mocking way of saying
> that the person you were responding to had Down's Syndrome (which, being a
> genetic disorder, is in no way the sufferer's fault)
No, but they're still retards, and as such greatly entertaining.
--
Big Al
Let's all be fucking retarded
The Doctor is in.
Email: neur...@defilernet.com
http://www.defilernet.com
"Actually, fucknuts, if you'd been here more
than the amount of time it takes you to cum up
your shorts, then you'd know incrdibl has posted
here for quite a while, usually to people that
have a clue."
- paladin_en_vec 12/07/2000
Big Al
>
> On final note, many Black people have reclaimed the word
> "Nigger", and there are some contexts in which it is not offensive. To
> my knowledge, there are no Asians running around saying "This is to
> all my Mongoloids out there!", so mongoloid is always offensive, all
> of the time, in every context.
Yeah yeah, but the important thing is that, as in insult, it sucks. I
mean, "mongoloid". It's got no punch whatsoever, it just sounds ...
weak.
Riboflavin
>no
>> >one at the store I play at ever seems to use Codex: Marines anymore.
>>
>> No one? Not even you? It seems as though you should clean up your own
>house
>> before whining about other people's paintjobs.
>
>My house is plenty clean, thank you. That's what I spent all Saturday
>morning doing. Now did you have a point with that last statement?
>
and, as you've admitted in another message, you yourself don't play them.
Yet rather than clean your own house and play marines by C:SM, you choose to
dictate what armies other people are allowed to play based on their paint
scheme. I don't know if you lack the basic intelligence to comprehend common
figurative language, or if you were just dodging the question.
>
>> Funny how you're willing to tell other people what to do with the
>minis they
>> paid money for and spent time painting. I'll tell you what, if you buy
>the
>> guy a new army and paint it for him, you can make him play with
>whatever
>> rules you want, OK?
>
>to paint them using the Ultramarine's colors, why would they not use the
>Ultramarines rules?
Because they don't feel like it. Why does someone have to justify what they
did with minis they spent THEIR time and money on to you? Control freaks
like you are pretty disgusting.
>Does it not seem a little bit odd to you that they
>chose instead to play with the most unbalanced army book out?
Other than their rhinos (which are conterable by some armies, like vanilla
marines), BAs are balanced just fine. And I honestly don't care WHY someone
chose a particular army/color scheme combo, since it's their money and time
going into buying and painting the minis. Maybe it fits his style better,
maybe he thinks he'll win with it, maybe he just feels like trying a
different list. But it's his army, not yours, so you don't get to tell him
what color to paint it.
>I would not allow someone to play me in a tournament with ultramarine
>models and using the blood angels codex.
So you'd conceede the game because you don't agree with their color scheme?
>I'm sorry, that's just me
>being anal-retentive. If it was a friendly game, then I'd agree to it,
>but only once.
It is absolutely impossible to have a friendly game with the sort of asshole
who tells you what color you're allowed to paint your own minis, so it would
be impossible to have what would actually be a friendly game with you.
>If the guy had made up his own color scheme, then go for it. But not if
>you're using a GW scheme for a completely different army list.
>
Are you a high school principal or something similar? You certainly have
that control freak mentality down. "You must get me to sign off on your
color scheme, or you're cheating!"
Riboflavin
> The red is therefore just a symbol of grief and loss, which
>blue could just as easily be. "Angels of Tears" or "Grieving Angels"
>have a perfectly fine excuse to be blue.
>
Angels of Angst! Angels of Angst!
Riboflavin
>Yes. Why? Because I am anal-retentive about that.
Exactly; you're an anal-retentive control freak who feels free to dictate
what color someone else is allowed to paint miniatures they spent their own
time and money on. You'd get laughed out of the gaming store I play it in
about 10 seconds.
Riboflavin
>> OK good so I guess Enchanted Blue/Emerald Green marines are fine? ;-)
>
>Possibly.
LOL. I'd really love to see you in my local gaming store trying to tell
people that they can't play because their colors don't meet your approval.
>See, I don't know if we are on the same page or not. I wouldn't care
>one bit if you are just using your Ultramarines in a few battles using
>the Blood Angels rules, or the Space Wolves, or the Dark
>Angels/Salamanders/Black Templars/etc. That's perfectly alright with
>me. The only problem I would have would be if you chose to play one of
>those other chapters permanently and never bothered to repaint your
>mini's to fit the color scheme.
If there was someone like you at my local store, I'd buy someone a painted
UM army just so they could play it with the BA rules and irritate you.
>And yes, there ARE particular color schemes to go with particular
>chapters, if you want to go about things in a fluffy way.
Please quote the part of the fluff that says that there are no BA successor
chapters using a blue paint scheme.
liam phillips
>
>No, liam. I'll spell it out to you, you made a stupid answer and then
followed it
but
>that doesn't mean I can't see you as an idiot when you atempt to flame him.
In
>other words, you're an idiot.
>
Alright, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to Mathew, to Riboflavin and to yourself. I
never intentionally began a falme war, but it escalated into one. Sorry to
anyone else who took offense, and to the board. Honeslty, the last thing on
my mind was to have a bunch of users screaming abuse at me, somehow it got
here. I didn't come to be 'an idiot', and I will continue to post hopefully
free of this stigma.
If I am going to be in a flame war, it is because of a statement, or opinion
I feel strongly about, and usually you can see the war brewing. I am writing
this soley because this topic is not something I feel very strongly about,
and because the whole thing caught me off guard. I do not care what people
think about me personally, but at the same time I am not pleased I caused
such a disription to the board. I will admit the folly of my ways, and will
not create this sort of thing again.
Liam
Frank
>> WYSIWYG requires that the Death Company be painted differently
>> in order to distinguish them. If ir's a pile of Blue Marines with
>> white Death Company, it's still a valid chapter coloration, what's the
>> problem?
>As long as those blue marines are not Ultramarines color schemes, then
>I'm ok with it, although I have yet to see blue blood.
You never eaten crab? The Red color of human blood comes from
oxygenated iron in the hemes in human red blood cells. Hemes are
hardly the only viable method of gas exchange, and many animals manage
without, and their blood is not red.
Hemes aren't even the most theoretically efficient gas
exchange vector either, and it is quite likely that Marines would have
switched over to some kind of fluorocarbon instead, which wouldn't be
red anyway. Besides, human blood is only red for a short period (long
exposure to air turns it brown), and is a darker or lighter color
depending upon whether it is veinous or arterial blood respectively -
and neither color is the color of Codex blood angels.
The red is therefore just a symbol of grief and loss, which
blue could just as easily be. "Angels of Tears" or "Grieving Angels"
have a perfectly fine excuse to be blue.
Frank
S. Mardanbeigi
news:39876543...@enews.newsguy.com...
> You never eaten crab? The Red color of human blood comes from
> oxygenated iron in the hemes in human red blood cells. Hemes are
> hardly the only viable method of gas exchange, and many animals manage
> without, and their blood is not red.
>
> Hemes aren't even the most theoretically efficient gas
> exchange vector either, and it is quite likely that Marines would have
> switched over to some kind of fluorocarbon instead, which wouldn't be
> red anyway. Besides, human blood is only red for a short period (long
> exposure to air turns it brown), and is a darker or lighter color
> depending upon whether it is veinous or arterial blood respectively -
> and neither color is the color of Codex blood angels.
>
> The red is therefore just a symbol of grief and loss, which
> blue could just as easily be. "Angels of Tears" or "Grieving Angels"
> have a perfectly fine excuse to be blue.
>
> Frank
All right, next time some person says my blue marines can't be BA's, I'll
call you up and have you explain to him why he should let me use the marines
with BA rules ;-)
Tracer Bullet
meldingsnyheter:3987570E...@cableinet.co.uk...
<snip>
>
> No, but they're still retards, and as such greatly entertaining.
>
> Let's all be fucking retarded
...provides us with yet another clue to his rather...erm...singular sexual
preferences. ;)
--
TracerBullet
Tag. You're it!
Matthew Maggio
Shim wrote:
> >> a) an immediate adverse reaction to someone new appearing on the >>newsgroup,
> >> that some 'oldies' really can't stand - a phenomenon that after years of
> >> being on newsgroups I still really can't understand (except maybe
> >> alt.tasteless). And,
> >
> > Um, no. Many newbies lurk for a while, make positive contributions, and do
> >fine. All but the very few original posters were newbies once. I was never
> >flamed as a newbie.
>
> Oh, I'm not sure.
>
> [flip, flip]
>
> Shit, you weren't. Made up for it later, though.
When I was intentionally trolling, you puny English wanker...
> Made any donations to Sinn Fein recently, eh? <g>
You forget, I *own* them...
--
Matt, King of Ireland, Owner/Operator of the Emerald Isle (thanks, Hannah)
The new, more user friendly signature.
I'm not Swedish or Danish, damn it!
Website: www.crosswinds.net/~matthewmaggio
paladin...@my-deja.com
"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Please quote the part of the fluff that says that there are no BA
successor
> chapters using a blue paint scheme.
Please quote me the part of the fluff that says there ARE.
paladin...@my-deja.com
"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> paladin...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8m74rn$7l4
> >Yes. Why? Because I am anal-retentive about that.
>
> Exactly; you're an anal-retentive control freak who feels free to
dictate
> what color someone else is allowed to paint miniatures they spent
their own
> time and money on. You'd get laughed out of the gaming store I play it
in
> about 10 seconds.
I'm sorry you've had to resort to name-calling in your posts, I can tell
this is something you feel strongly about, so I will drop it, since we
can no longer carry on any sort of meaningful discussion.
Suffice to say that anyone in the gaming store where I play that used a
fully painted ultramarines army with the blood angels rules would get
called cheesy by just about anyone there, and quite possibly "laughed
out of the gaming store i play it in about 10 seconds."
incrdbil
>In article <8m807g$iv0$6...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Please quote the part of the fluff that says that there are no BA
>successor
>> chapters using a blue paint scheme.
>
>Please quote me the part of the fluff that says there ARE.
>
>-Stephen
>
he could probably work on the parts of the fluff saying that many
chapters and records have been lost over time.
Another silly alternative Hey, that armor really is red--there is just
a unique characteristic to the light from the star in this system that
makes it look blue :)
La Grief
<paladin...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8mc2uo$t5d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Then your gaming group is very sad....
paladin...@my-deja.com
Perhaps you should meet them before you pass judgement. I have a great
time with them, and we welcome new people in the group and all generally
have fun.
Frank
>In article <8m807g$iv0$6...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Please quote the part of the fluff that says that there are no BA
>successor
>> chapters using a blue paint scheme.
>Please quote me the part of the fluff that says there ARE.
How about the Fleshtearers, who have a fifty/fifty blue paint
job, or the original blood angel devastators who have ugly assed blue
heads? Since there are specifically unknown extra blood angel
successor chapters, and many of the codex marines are partially blue,
is it such a stretch that one chapter would be ALL blue?
>-Stephen
Frank
paladin...@my-deja.com
Its a stretch TO ME that there would be a blood angels successor using
the EXACT Ultramarines scheme.
Using a blue scheme in general would be odd, but TO ME using the
Ultramarines scheme is a bit too much.
But that doesn't matter, since i'm an "anal-retentive asshole."
La Grief
<paladin...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8mc8e5$1p1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Yes, as do I with my gaming group. But we don't get anal over models painted the
wrong colour.
If your group really feels it nessacery to laugh an opponent out of the store
because they are using a different paint scheme...well, it seems very juvenile.
Stuart Leckie
fatalities, Frank met Barry White, who broke into whale song:
>On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:28:14 GMT, paladin...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>>> WYSIWYG requires that the Death Company be painted differently
>>> in order to distinguish them. If ir's a pile of Blue Marines with
>>> white Death Company, it's still a valid chapter coloration, what's the
>>> problem?
>
>>As long as those blue marines are not Ultramarines color schemes, then
>>I'm ok with it, although I have yet to see blue blood.
>
>oxygenated iron in the hemes in human red blood cells. Hemes are
>hardly the only viable method of gas exchange, and many animals manage
>without, and their blood is not red.
>
> Hemes aren't even the most theoretically efficient gas
>exchange vector either, and it is quite likely that Marines would have
>switched over to some kind of fluorocarbon instead, which wouldn't be
>red anyway.
I like that. What colour would a fluorocarbon based blood be? I can
understand why everyone paints Marine blood red, but it would be a nice
change for a chapter to have an experimental 'enhancement' implant that
made their blood a dark yellow or a sickly purple.
L.J Stuart
Stuart Leckie
>>blue could just as easily be. "Angels of Tears" or "Grieving Angels"
>>have a perfectly fine excuse to be blue.
>>
Remind me to post pics of my Angels of Sarcasm sometime.
L.J Stuart
paladin...@my-deja.com
"La Grief" <blac...@blackrat999.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> Yes, as do I with my gaming group. But we don't get anal over models
painted the
> wrong colour.
>
> If your group really feels it nessacery to laugh an opponent out of
the store
> because they are using a different paint scheme...well, it seems very
juvenile.
I think I've figured out what the problem is. (I'm sure ribo will say
"you are the problem," but anyways...)
All of my friends that play marines have played them since 2nd edition.
They each play a different chapter, except my brother and my friend
Erick, who both play Ultra's. But Erick is switching over to Eagle
Warriors because it fits his college's color scheme.
Anyways, they are all pretty fanatical about acting/thinking like a
Marine when we play. They quote stuff like "May the Emperor be with
me!" and "Praise the Emperor!" and stuff like that. Matt, my Blood
Angel's friend, is VERY fanatical about how loyal his Angels are to the
Emperor, even though people say they are more like Chaos.
I know for a fact that they would all have a little bit of a problem
with someone using an Ultramarines army with Blood Angels rules because
it wouldn't be acting like a true Blood Angel, or a true Ultramarine,
because something got mixed up.
I would have to agree with them. I mean, I think the background to this
game is the best part, and thats about all that keeps me in it, because
I know there are simpler rules out there. The models are of course
top-rate, but you can collect the models and not play. I just find that
it goes against what our preconceived notions of a true Space Marine
player are that they would use an Ultramarines army as a Blood Angels.
I'm sorry if that seems so wacky to the rest of you, but thats how I
feel and I won't be changing my mind anytime soon.
Frank
>Its a stretch TO ME that there would be a blood angels successor using
>the EXACT Ultramarines scheme.
Well, the big white "U" is something of a stretch, but blue
with orange or yellow trim? White or silver heads maybe present on
some elite units? Well golly, that's just so hard to concieve of...
If the Ultramarines al had the same paint job, yes. But they
don't. Some Ultramarines have yellow trim, some Ultramarines have
orange trim, and still others have white trim. If you pick one of
those, and anounce that your Blood Angels have that color scheme (and
chose it when the Ultramarines were dabbling in their Orange Trim
phase, or whatever), I can't see the problem.
>Using a blue scheme in general would be odd, but TO ME using the
>Ultramarines scheme is a bit too much.
Using a Blue scheme would be fully within the accepted color
schemes of the Blood Angels (Red/Blue/Yellow). In fact, Blue armor,
Yellow trim would be within the Blood Angel's basic color scheme.
>But that doesn't matter, since i'm an "anal-retentive asshole."
Pretty much.
>-Stephen
Frank
r4...@my-deja.com
paladin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <398993c...@enews.newsguy.com>,
> rit...@cruzio.com (Frank) wrote:
> > On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:22:56 GMT, paladin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > >In article <8m807g$iv0$6...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
> > > "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> Please quote the part of the fluff that says that there are no BA
> > >successor
> > >> chapters using a blue paint scheme.
> >
> > >Please quote me the part of the fluff that says there ARE.
> >
> > How about the Fleshtearers, who have a fifty/fifty blue paint
> > job, or the original blood angel devastators who have ugly assed
blue
> > heads? Since there are specifically unknown extra blood angel
> > successor chapters, and many of the codex marines are partially
blue,
> > is it such a stretch that one chapter would be ALL blue?
>
> the EXACT Ultramarines scheme.
>
> Ultramarines scheme is a bit too much.
>
>
effect on the table. would you really "refuse" to play against blue
blood angels, or is your opposition more about aesthetics.
Big Al
>
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:22:56 GMT, paladin...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >In article <8m807g$iv0$6...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
> > "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >> Please quote the part of the fluff that says that there are no BA
> >successor
> >> chapters using a blue paint scheme.
>
> >Please quote me the part of the fluff that says there ARE.
>
> How about the Fleshtearers, who have a fifty/fifty blue paint
> job,
Fleshtearers are red & grey IIRC.
> or the original blood angel devastators who have ugly assed blue
> heads?
Those *were* ugly. I don't know whose idea it was, but Blood Angels
with blue helmets look really crap.
--
Big Al
Let's all be fucking retarded
The Doctor is in.
Big Al
>
> During a dream in which he fell over a bit and there were many
> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:28:14 GMT, paladin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> >>> WYSIWYG requires that the Death Company be painted differently
> >>> in order to distinguish them. If ir's a pile of Blue Marines with
> >>> white Death Company, it's still a valid chapter coloration, what's the
> >>> problem?
> >
> >>As long as those blue marines are not Ultramarines color schemes, then
> >>I'm ok with it, although I have yet to see blue blood.
> >
> > You never eaten crab? The Red color of human blood comes from
> >oxygenated iron in the hemes in human red blood cells. Hemes are
> >hardly the only viable method of gas exchange, and many animals manage
> >without, and their blood is not red.
> >
> > Hemes aren't even the most theoretically efficient gas
> >exchange vector either, and it is quite likely that Marines would have
> >switched over to some kind of fluorocarbon instead, which wouldn't be
> >red anyway.
>
> I like that. What colour would a fluorocarbon based blood be?
Bright blue, usually. As Frank alluded to, many species of crustaceans
have blood which is a shade of blue or bluish-grey.
> I can
> understand why everyone paints Marine blood red, but it would be a nice
> change for a chapter to have an experimental 'enhancement' implant that
> made their blood a dark yellow or a sickly purple.
Purple is possible (red blood cells replaced with fluorocarbon exchange
system) but it would require a stronger heart and a reinforced artery &
vein system, since it would have less water content and would be more
dense.
Stuart Leckie
>In article <8mc5sa$p4g$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>,
just to test it out sucks rocks. I'm a fluff man myself, and it might
get annoying after time, but calling a blue BA successor chapter cheesy
is very sad. End of story.
L.J Stuart
Stuart Leckie
fatalities, met Barry White, who broke into whale song:
> "La Grief" <blac...@blackrat999.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
><snip>
>
>> Yes, as do I with my gaming group. But we don't get anal over models
>painted the
>> wrong colour.
>>
>> If your group really feels it nessacery to laugh an opponent out of
>the store
>> because they are using a different paint scheme...well, it seems very
>juvenile.
>
>I think I've figured out what the problem is. (I'm sure ribo will say
>"you are the problem," but anyways...)
>
>All of my friends that play marines have played them since 2nd edition.
>They each play a different chapter, except my brother and my friend
>Erick, who both play Ultra's. But Erick is switching over to Eagle
>Warriors because it fits his college's color scheme.
>
>Anyways, they are all pretty fanatical about acting/thinking like a
>Marine when we play. They quote stuff like "May the Emperor be with
>me!" and "Praise the Emperor!" and stuff like that. Matt, my Blood
>Angel's friend, is VERY fanatical about how loyal his Angels are to the
>Emperor, even though people say they are more like Chaos.
>
prove my point. Your group is nuts.
L.J Stuart
Riboflavin
paladin...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8mc2o8$t1s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <8m807g$iv0$6...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Please quote the part of the fluff that says that there are no BA
>successor
>> chapters using a blue paint scheme.
>
>Please quote me the part of the fluff that says there ARE.
>
colors contradicted the fluff, which I disagreed with. All I have to do is
point out that the Imperium doesn't even know how many Space Marine Chapters
their are, much less every color scheme and bloodline in use to demonstrate
that there is ample room in the fluff for BA successors of any color scheme.
Riboflavin
>
>Perhaps you should meet them before you pass judgement. I have a great
>time with them, and we welcome new people in the group and all generally
>have fun.
Didn't you just get done saying you only welcome new people if their paint
schemes meet your approval?
Riboflavin
><paladin...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8mcijt$a93
>| I know for a fact that they would all have a little bit of a problem
>| with someone using an Ultramarines army with Blood Angels rules because
>| it wouldn't be acting like a true Blood Angel, or a true Ultramarine,
>| because something got mixed up.
>
KEEP YOUR MISCOLORED ORKS AWAY FROM ME, LEE!
Riboflavin
>Riboflavin wrote in message <8m807l$iv0$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>> The red is therefore just a symbol of grief and loss, which
>>>blue could just as easily be. "Angels of Tears" or "Grieving Angels"
>>>have a perfectly fine excuse to be blue.
>>>
>>Angels of Angst! Angels of Angst!
>
>time too?) I've started building an Angels of Angst army...
>
PURGE THE HERETIC!
La Grief
<paladin...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8mcijt$a93$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
| In article <8mcaua$8af$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>,
| "La Grief" <blac...@blackrat999.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
| <snip>
|
| > Yes, as do I with my gaming group. But we don't get anal over models
| painted the
| > wrong colour.
| >
| > If your group really feels it nessacery to laugh an opponent out of
| the store
| > because they are using a different paint scheme...well, it seems very
| juvenile.
|
| I think I've figured out what the problem is. (I'm sure ribo will say
| "you are the problem," but anyways...)
|
| All of my friends that play marines have played them since 2nd edition.
| They each play a different chapter, except my brother and my friend
| Erick, who both play Ultra's. But Erick is switching over to Eagle
| Warriors because it fits his college's color scheme.
|
| Anyways, they are all pretty fanatical about acting/thinking like a
| Marine when we play. They quote stuff like "May the Emperor be with
| me!" and "Praise the Emperor!" and stuff like that. Matt, my Blood
| Angel's friend, is VERY fanatical about how loyal his Angels are to the
| Emperor, even though people say they are more like Chaos.
Fanboys then, like the little idiot kids that run around shouting "blood for the
blood god" and "Waaagh!"?
| I know for a fact that they would all have a little bit of a problem
| with someone using an Ultramarines army with Blood Angels rules because
| it wouldn't be acting like a true Blood Angel, or a true Ultramarine,
| because something got mixed up.
So? it's a fucking paint scheme.
| I would have to agree with them. I mean, I think the background to this
| game is the best part, and thats about all that keeps me in it, because
| I know there are simpler rules out there. The models are of course
| top-rate, but you can collect the models and not play. I just find that
| it goes against what our preconceived notions of a true Space Marine
| player are that they would use an Ultramarines army as a Blood Angels.
| I'm sorry if that seems so wacky to the rest of you, but thats how I
| feel and I won't be changing my mind anytime soon.
Thats fine, I won't be changing my mind that you and your group actually *are*
anal-retentives either.
Stuart Leckie
>Stuart Leckie wrote:
>>
>> During a dream in which he fell over a bit and there were many
>> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:28:14 GMT, paladin...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> >
>> >>> WYSIWYG requires that the Death Company be painted differently
>> >>> in order to distinguish them. If ir's a pile of Blue Marines with
>> >>> white Death Company, it's still a valid chapter coloration, what's the
>> >>> problem?
>> >
>> >>As long as those blue marines are not Ultramarines color schemes, then
>> >>I'm ok with it, although I have yet to see blue blood.
>> >
>> > You never eaten crab? The Red color of human blood comes from
>> >oxygenated iron in the hemes in human red blood cells. Hemes are
>> >hardly the only viable method of gas exchange, and many animals manage
>> >without, and their blood is not red.
>> >
>> > Hemes aren't even the most theoretically efficient gas
>> >exchange vector either, and it is quite likely that Marines would have
>> >switched over to some kind of fluorocarbon instead, which wouldn't be
>> >red anyway.
>>
>> I like that. What colour would a fluorocarbon based blood be?
>
>Bright blue, usually. As Frank alluded to, many species of crustaceans
>have blood which is a shade of blue or bluish-grey.
*scribbles notes*
>
>> I can
>> understand why everyone paints Marine blood red, but it would be a nice
>> change for a chapter to have an experimental 'enhancement' implant that
>> made their blood a dark yellow or a sickly purple.
>
>Purple is possible (red blood cells replaced with fluorocarbon exchange
>system) but it would require a stronger heart and a reinforced artery &
>vein system, since it would have less water content and would be more
>dense.
>
Less content, more dense... mmm
Hey Setzer! Come over here while I cut you for a moment...
L.J Stuart
Vampy
>> The red is therefore just a symbol of grief and loss, which
>>blue could just as easily be. "Angels of Tears" or "Grieving Angels"
>>have a perfectly fine excuse to be blue.
>>
>Angels of Angst! Angels of Angst!
Since that chapter name thread where they were mentioned (was it you that
time too?) I've started building an Angels of Angst army...
--
~Vampy~
Today's Setzer quote - "Imagine a body, lying cold in the gutter, beaten
black and blue, and bleeding from two dozen cuts on his body... And imagine
a nametag on it, labelled "Jimi" THAT was graphic"
Vampy
>>
>> How about the Fleshtearers, who have a fifty/fifty blue paint
>> heads? Since there are specifically unknown extra blood angel
>> successor chapters, and many of the codex marines are partially blue,
>> is it such a stretch that one chapter would be ALL blue?
>
>Its a stretch TO ME that there would be a blood angels successor using
>the EXACT Ultramarines scheme.
Not really - the UM scheme is the proper 'codex' uniform for SM chapters,
which most of them (supposedly) follow. The only change is in the main
colour/s, the colour of shoulder pad trims, squad markings etc are all
linked to the official codex way of doing things. So basically, if a
chapter's colour is all blue and they followed the codex they'd look very
much like UMs.
Frank
wrote:
>> How about the Fleshtearers, who have a fifty/fifty blue paint
>> job,
>Fleshtearers are red & grey IIRC.
They look blue to me (dark blue).
Angels Sanguine are bluer than that.
>> or the original blood angel devastators who have ugly assed blue
>> heads?
>Those *were* ugly. I don't know whose idea it was, but Blood Angels
>with blue helmets look really crap.
I blame Rick Priestly.
Frank
Riboflavin
>In article <8mcaua$8af$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>,
>All of my friends that play marines have played them since 2nd edition.
That's nice, I've played marines since the 1st edition.
>They each play a different chapter, except my brother and my friend
>Erick, who both play Ultra's. But Erick is switching over to Eagle
>Warriors because it fits his college's color scheme.
I notice something here - there isn't a non-GW marine chapter mentioned.
Interesting, and confirms my earlier impression.
>Anyways, they are all pretty fanatical about acting/thinking like a
>Marine when we play. They quote stuff like "May the Emperor be with
>me!" and "Praise the Emperor!" and stuff like that. Matt, my Blood
>Angel's friend, is VERY fanatical about how loyal his Angels are to the
>Emperor, even though people say they are more like Chaos.
Umm... that sounds scary actually. I usually throw in a few taunts of
'heretic' and remind a Chaos player with a squad running off of the table
that that's the price of turning his back on the Emperor, but the use of the
word 'fanatical' twice is a bit off-putting. What does 'thinking/acting like
a marine' entail? How is Matt fanatical about the BAs being loyal; does that
entail loud arguments about it with random people, especially in really
inappropriate places?
>I know for a fact that they would all have a little bit of a problem
>with someone using an Ultramarines army with Blood Angels rules because
>it wouldn't be acting like a true Blood Angel, or a true Ultramarine,
>because something got mixed up.
Umm... you're moving models on the table under a ruleset, you're not
actually gene-engineered soldiers fighting for the Emperor. If a guy doesn't
repaint his miniatures to try out a different set of rules, you can't
actually summarily execute him as heretical. It's a game, not a way of life.
I find it hard to believe there are really people who can't stand to see
models with the wrong color on the table.
>I would have to agree with them. I mean, I think the background to this
>game is the best part, and thats about all that keeps me in it, because
>I know there are simpler rules out there. The models are of course
>top-rate, but you can collect the models and not play. I just find that
>it goes against what our preconceived notions of a true Space Marine
>player are that they would use an Ultramarines army as a Blood Angels.
My notion is that a True Space Marine Player (tm) will come up with his own
chapter in the first place. Whatever paint scheme someone is using is also
significantly less important to me than playing the game; if someone wants
to try out a different army list to see if it fits his playing style better,
I don't see any reason to worry about it. He can always change the chapter
logo later, and with as many chapters as there are, it's hard to believe
there's not one with a blue paint scheme and tainted geneseed (if you're
familiar with the fluff, you'll recall that non-BA successor chapters have
geneseed problems too, especially those from the cursed founding).
>I'm sorry if that seems so wacky to the rest of you, but thats how I
>feel and I won't be changing my mind anytime soon.
>
It seems completely whacked to me.
Riboflavin
>In article <8m807f$iv0$5...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Exactly; you're an anal-retentive control freak who feels free to
>dictate
>> what color someone else is allowed to paint miniatures they spent
>their own
>> time and money on. You'd get laughed out of the gaming store I play it
>in
>> about 10 seconds.
>
>I'm sorry you've had to resort to name-calling in your posts,
Simple descriptive terms. You were actually giving answers like 'maybe' as
to whether the original poster's idea for a unique paint scheme were OK.
That qualifies you as a control freak in my book, and you called yourself
anal-retentive. If what I said is name-calling, then your cries of cheese
are also name-calling.
> I can tell
>this is something you feel strongly about, so I will drop it, since we
>can no longer carry on any sort of meaningful discussion.
I don't know how meaningful the discussion was to begin with, when it
started off with someone calling a paint scheme 'cheesey'.
>Suffice to say that anyone in the gaming store where I play that used a
>fully painted ultramarines army with the blood angels rules would get
>called cheesy by just about anyone there, and quite possibly "laughed
>out of the gaming store i play it in about 10 seconds."
>
So, the gaming store where you play is also completely nuts.
paladin...@my-deja.com
r4...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Fluff aside, why would it matter? The way they are painted has no
> effect on the table. would you really "refuse" to play against blue
> blood angels, or is your opposition more about aesthetics.
That's exactly it! To me, it just seems wrong for a Blood Angels army
to be blue with yellow shoulderpads, thats what an Ultramarines army
should look like.
It has nothing else to do with anything except what my preconceived
notions of a particular chapter should look like.
No, I wouldnt refuse to play them, but I would have a problem with it.
paladin...@my-deja.com
"Vampy" <toms...@theuk.freeuk.com> wrote:
> paladin...@my-deja.com wrote in message
<8mcaau$3bu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >>
blue
> >> heads? Since there are specifically unknown extra blood angel
> >> successor chapters, and many of the codex marines are partially
blue,
> >> is it such a stretch that one chapter would be ALL blue?
> >
> >Its a stretch TO ME that there would be a blood angels successor
using
> >the EXACT Ultramarines scheme.
>
> Not really - the UM scheme is the proper 'codex' uniform for SM
chapters,
> which most of them (supposedly) follow. The only change is in the main
> colour/s, the colour of shoulder pad trims, squad markings etc are all
> linked to the official codex way of doing things. So basically, if a
> chapter's colour is all blue and they followed the codex they'd look
very
> much like UMs.
Right. And if a chapter is based on the Codex, they would use C:SM as
their ruleset. I don't know if its just me, but the Blood Angels dont
seem to really follow the UM Codex, kinda like the Space Wolves. So is
it a stretch that their color scheme wouldn't follow the basic codex
scheme?
paladin...@my-deja.com
"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> paladin...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8mc8e5$1p1
> >
> >Perhaps you should meet them before you pass judgement. I have a
great
> >time with them, and we welcome new people in the group and all
generally
> >have fun.
>
> Didn't you just get done saying you only welcome new people if their
paint
> schemes meet your approval?
Lets just say I've never met anyone that consistently uses an
Ultramarines army with the Blood Angels rules. If I did, maybe my bias
would lessen, but I haven't.
Ezekiel45fr
Maybe his chapter is the Royal Angels, and we all know they have blue blood,
right?
"Asmodai, you dropped your Rosarius again...........Wa..Hayyyyyyyyy"
( Famous scenes from Azrael's secret shower room tapes )
Vampy
>>>Angels of Angst! Angels of Angst!
>>
>>Since that chapter name thread where they were mentioned (was it you that
>>time too?) I've started building an Angels of Angst army...
>>
>PURGE THE HERETIC!
AFAIK they're the only chapter in the imperium to supply black lip gloss and
mascara to their front-line troops...
--
~Vampy~
Today's Setzer quote - "Matt, I have proof for them. I'm just not sure how
much good it will do with their attitude"
Frank
>Right. And if a chapter is based on the Codex, they would use C:SM as
>their ruleset. I don't know if its just me, but the Blood Angels dont
>seem to really follow the UM Codex, kinda like the Space Wolves. So is
>it a stretch that their color scheme wouldn't follow the basic codex
>scheme?
The Blood Drinkers follow the codex, and they use the Blood
Angels rules. Blood Angel rules come from your gene seed, not your
heraldry.
If you don't know the BA fluff, why are you arguing how they
"should" be painted?
>-Stephen
Frank
Frank
wrote:
>Riboflavin wrote in message <8mdfhi$pnf$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>>>Angels of Angst! Angels of Angst!
>>>Since that chapter name thread where they were mentioned (was it you that
>>>time too?) I've started building an Angels of Angst army...
>>PURGE THE HERETIC!
>AFAIK they're the only chapter in the imperium to supply black lip gloss and
>mascara to their front-line troops...
IIRC, the Lavender Legion and the Rainbow Warriors do as well.
>~Vampy~
Frank
Big Al
> >> job,
>
>
> They look blue to me (dark blue).
*shrugs* Maybe it's meant to be blue-grey.
> Angels Sanguine are bluer than that.
Yep, they *are* actually meant to be red and blue.
Matt B
God Forbid! Though it may cause violent reactions, I'll mention that my
wife has an army of orks painted as circus clowns...
Fog
Matt B wrote in message <8mfe81$3l6$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>KEEP YOUR MISCOLORED ORKS AWAY FROM ME, LEE!
>
>God Forbid! Though it may cause violent reactions, I'll mention that my
>wife has an army of orks painted as circus clowns...
>
army. I've *got* to jangle his nerves! Those would be perfect!!
---
b
24 words, 9 exclamation marks in one post....it must be rubbing off
Shim
>> >Please quote me the part of the fluff that says there ARE.
>>
>> How about the Fleshtearers, who have a fifty/fifty blue paint
>> job,
>
>Fleshtearers are red & grey IIRC.
>
>> or the original blood angel devastators who have ugly assed blue
>> heads?
>
>Those *were* ugly. I don't know whose idea it was, but Blood Angels
>with blue helmets look really crap.
Look good at Epic scale, but not when scaled up. Admittedly, the Studio ones
could have benefited from using a different blue...
-Shim.
Never hang up; never give in,
never sell out & never stop thinking.
Riboflavin
>In article <1Voi5.6020$_8.73...@nnrp3.clara.net>,
> "Vampy" <toms...@theuk.freeuk.com> wrote:
>> Not really - the UM scheme is the proper 'codex' uniform for SM
>chapters,
>> which most of them (supposedly) follow. The only change is in the main
>> colour/s, the colour of shoulder pad trims, squad markings etc are all
>> linked to the official codex way of doing things. So basically, if a
>> chapter's colour is all blue and they followed the codex they'd look
>very
>> much like UMs.
>
>their ruleset. I don't know if its just me, but the Blood Angels dont
>seem to really follow the UM Codex, kinda like the Space Wolves.
It's not the UM Codex, it's the Codex Astartes. I find it interesting that
you allegedly find the fluff a big deal and don't even know the difference
between the Codex Astartes and the UM Codex. Also, BAs follow reasonably
close to the Codex Astartes - they still have the same basic organization
as, say, the UMs (very unlike the Space Wolves). I think their heraldry is
also pretty close to the Codex version, although I don't pay much attention
to that.
>So is
>it a stretch that their color scheme wouldn't follow the basic codex
>scheme?
Again, you're switching things around. Is it a stretch that some chapter
with tainted geneseed (either as a BA successor or from some other source
with similar effects) uses Codex-style markings?