[paint] Acrylic non-GW paints.
Mr_No_Good
question a million times, but what acrylic non-GW paint works well for you
AND is available for retail in Europe (Netherlands)?
I would like to try some other makes of acrylic paint, with a better value
for money.
Thanx in advance,
M@@rten
Andy O'Neill
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Use Google to search for the numerous previously archived posts.
Liquitex and vallejo are likely to be available.
But just visit an art store.
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Myrmidon
Mr_No_Good shouted out the following words of wit...
Well, there is a good article on Non-GW paints on www.rgmw.org
As to whether or not they're available in Europe - I don't know, but at
least it's a place to find names and reviews and to start searching. Also
the advice to try an art supply outlet is good as artist grade acrylic
paints are excellent for painting minis, and while expensive still work
out better price wise than GW's paints as well as last longer and perform
better too.
Myrmidon
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Or...
Hobbes
Vallejo or how ever you spell it
Hobbes
Malcolm McDowall
Malc
tahrikmili
I use mostly folkart craft paints now and I'm quite satisfied.. Sure,
they probably won't win you golden demons but they won't burn a hole in
your wallet either :)
Yalaz Ozkanli
John Hwang
>what acrylic non-GW paint works well for you
Old GW (now Coat D' Arms).
Polly Scale (now Floquil).
>AND is available for retail in Europe (Netherlands)?
OK, you're on your own here.
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Frogbèrt
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> "Mr_No_Good" mr_no...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >what acrylic non-GW paint works well for you
>
> Old GW (now Coat D' Arms).
> Polly Scale (now Floquil).
>
> >AND is available for retail in Europe (Netherlands)?
>
> OK, you're on your own here.
Not entirely, although I am ever glad that I left that shithole of a
country. Try HEMA, they have excellent acrylics (although only in larger
volumes).
Frogbèrt
Mr_No_Good
"Frogbèrt" <a...@aa.aa> schreef in bericht
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> "John Hwang" <johnhw...@cs.com.no.com> wrote in message
> news:20030520002300...@mb-m25.news.cs.com...
> > "Mr_No_Good" mr_no...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >what acrylic non-GW paint works well for you
> >
> > Old GW (now Coat D' Arms).
> > Polly Scale (now Floquil).
> >
> > >AND is available for retail in Europe (Netherlands)?
> >
> > OK, you're on your own here.
>
> Not entirely, although I am ever glad that I left that shithole of a
> country.
WHere are you from then? Belgium, France, Swiss?
M@@rten
Frogbèrt
>
> WHere are you from then? Belgium, France, Swiss?
American with French/German mother, grew up in Holland, now back in France.
Frogbèrt
Mr_No_Good
"Frogbèrt" <a...@aa.aa> schreef in bericht
Wow, multicultural huh?
M@@rten
Myrmidon
Myr ;)
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Blackheart
>In article <badseb$1c4$1...@news-reader11.wanadoo.fr>, a...@aa.aa, Frogbèrt
>shouted out the following words of wit...
>> "Mr_No_Good" <mr_no...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1jpya.7630$KF1.133603@amstwist00...
>> >
>> > WHere are you from then? Belgium, France, Swiss?
>>
>> American with French/German mother, grew up in Holland, now back in France.
>>
> He went back to France - to many dykes in Holland.
but at least they don't stink like rotten cheese...
Insane Ranter
"Blackheart" <Blackh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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and you don't have little boys sticking their fingers in the holes to save
everyone
Mr_No_Good
> everyone
>
So, grab your chance, cause now's the time to discuss wooden shoes,
windmills, coffee shops, blond girls and whatever you think we have in
Holland. Time for the dutch people on the newsgroup to laugh about the
people who think they know what Holland is all about... ;)
M@@rten
Insane Ranter
Well the Tulips are nice
Frogbèrt
Laugh about this: the Dutch are overconfident, not too intelligent, don't
give a fuck about anything except themselves, moan and whine about
everything, cook shitty food, let their dogs crap all over the place,
respond to common courtesy by beating people to death, don't know how to
drive, think that good television means showing as much pussy as possible,
think good politics means either kicking against everything without a proper
programme or creating a programme that will throw the country back into the
stone age, and last but not least they think "de Telegraaf" is a newspaper.
Frogbèrt (don't fuck with me, I've lived there for twenty years)
Al and/or Albot
where the hell is Holland
Frogbèrt
news:lNIya.6226$8D2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >
> > So, grab your chance, cause now's the time to discuss wooden shoes,
> > windmills, coffee shops, blond girls and whatever you think we have in
> > Holland. Time for the dutch people on the newsgroup to laugh about the
> > people who think they know what Holland is all about... ;)
>
> where the hell is Holland
>
directions.
Frogbèrt
The Ancient Gamer
reader14.wanadoo.fr>, the youngun known as Frogbèrt VARFED UP...
So you are trying to say that to go to Holland, first you need to go to
France and ask directions?
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J. Allen
<mr_no...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You forgot tulips. Everyone knows Holland is all about tulips ... red ones.
Al and/or Albot
"Frogbèrt" <a...@aa.aa> wrote in message
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I thought that was belgium. or is this the same place? all european
countries are the same anyhow as far as I can tell - it's just that some
have marginally lower incest rates than others.
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Let's all be fucking retarded
Mr_No_Good
> Laugh about this: the Dutch are overconfident, not too intelligent, don't
> give a fuck about anything except themselves, moan and whine about
> everything, cook shitty food, let their dogs crap all over the place,
> respond to common courtesy by beating people to death,
I guess you're talking about the french here.
don't know how to
> drive,
That's definitely Katja Schuurman...
> think that good television means showing as much pussy as possible,
Is that true? Gosh, I should watch more TV...
> think good politics means either kicking against everything without a
proper
> programme or creating a programme that will throw the country back into
the
> stone age,
Who are you referring to? If you're talking about Pim Fortuin, I can totally
agree with you!
> and last but not least they think "de Telegraaf" is a newspaper.
LOL, totally agree with you here. The Telegraaf is not a proper newspaper,
just a gossip magazine in newspaper lay out.
M@@rten
Mr_No_Good
"The Ancient Gamer" <ancien...@juZZZZZZno.com> schreef in bericht
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Representing the Lollypop Guild in <bafol2$qv5$1@news-
reader14.wanadoo.fr>, the youngun known as Frogbèrt VARFED UP...
> "Al and/or Albot" <mal...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:lNIya.6226$8D2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > >
> > > So, grab your chance, cause now's the time to discuss wooden shoes,
> > > windmills, coffee shops, blond girls and whatever you think we have in
> > > Holland. Time for the dutch people on the newsgroup to laugh about the
> > > people who think they know what Holland is all about... ;)
> >
> > where the hell is Holland
> >
> Hell indeed. Imagine the world has an asshole. Try looking inside. Then
ask
> directions.
>
So you are trying to say that to go to Holland, first you need to go to
France and ask directions?
I wouldnt bother asking directions in France, the only thing they care about
is chees, so they dont speak any foreign languages, not even English...
M@@rten
Mr_No_Good
> countries are the same anyhow as far as I can tell - it's just that some
> have marginally lower incest rates than others.
Oh, you havent been to Europe? That's allright, dont cry... :-)
M@@rten
Al and/or Albot
> > I thought that was belgium. or is this the same place? all european
> > countries are the same anyhow as far as I can tell - it's just that some
> > have marginally lower incest rates than others.
>
> Oh, you havent been to Europe?
I've been a few times. france, germany, hungary. they're all just like the
UK except I can't understand what anyone is saying (as opposing to simply
not understanding why they bother opening their mouths in the first place,
which is the case here).
Al and/or Albot
english is not a foreign language.
John Hwang
>Laugh about this: the Dutch
>think that good television means showing as much pussy as possible,
OK, and what's the problem here?
sez the guy who lives among the neo-Puritans across the pond...
Mr_No_Good
"> I've been a few times. france, germany, hungary. they're all just like
the
> UK except I can't understand what anyone is saying (as opposing to simply
> not understanding why they bother opening their mouths in the first place,
> which is the case here).
Next time when you go on holiday, bring your glasses with you and open your
eyes for a change :P
M@@rten
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Frogbèrt
Neither do you, apparently. And at least the French care about *something*,
albeit cheese.
Frogbèrt
Frogbèrt
news:MPG.19352973c...@news.earthlink.net...
Representing the Lollypop Guild in <bafol2$qv5$1@news-
reader14.wanadoo.fr>, the youngun known as Frogbèrt VARFED UP...
> "Al and/or Albot" <mal...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:lNIya.6226$8D2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > >
> > > So, grab your chance, cause now's the time to discuss wooden shoes,
> > > windmills, coffee shops, blond girls and whatever you think we have in
> > > Holland. Time for the dutch people on the newsgroup to laugh about the
> > > people who think they know what Holland is all about... ;)
> >
> > where the hell is Holland
> >
> Hell indeed. Imagine the world has an asshole. Try looking inside. Then
ask
> directions.
>
>So you are trying to say that to go to Holland, first you need to go to
>France and ask directions?
You misread it. France is the cunt of the world (can be messy, but worth the
effort if you set your mind to it).
Frogbèrt
Frogbèrt
Blackheart, please waste this motherfucker or I will
Frogbèrt
Frogbèrt
>
> > Laugh about this: the Dutch are overconfident, not too intelligent,
don't
> > give a fuck about anything except themselves, moan and whine about
> > everything, cook shitty food, let their dogs crap all over the place,
> > respond to common courtesy by beating people to death,
>
> I guess you're talking about the french here.
That is so totally lame I won't even bother to take it seriously.
> don't know how to
> > drive,
>
> That's definitely Katja Schuurman...
You forgot Kluivert, Marco Bakker and then some. But that's only the Dutch
that are alleged celebrities. I'm referring to the millions of other
fuckwits that drive around every day.
> > think that good television means showing as much pussy as possible,
>
> Is that true? Gosh, I should watch more TV...
Don't even start. I'll bet it's just due to a sudden lapse of interest in
channels like RTL5, V8 and Veronica that you started wanking here instead of
in front of your TV set.
> > think good politics means either kicking against everything without a
> proper
> > programme or creating a programme that will throw the country back into
> the
> > stone age,
>
> Who are you referring to? If you're talking about Pim Fortuin, I can
totally
> agree with you!
I'm talking about your *new* government, fuckwit. The one you'll be stuck
with for the next four years, unless someone does you all a favor and pulls
the plug on it. And if you fail to see *that*, I can't imagine how you even
managed to post here, since only a totally ignorant asshole would fail to
see that the new Dutch government will not only destroy any positive
achievement that was created in the last 25 years, but will also postpone
any possibility of the country recovering from economic misery by about ten
years.
>
> > and last but not least they think "de Telegraaf" is a newspaper.
>
> LOL, totally agree with you here. The Telegraaf is not a proper newspaper,
> just a gossip magazine in newspaper lay out.
Figured that one out, hey? All by yourself? There may be hope for you just
yet. But I doubt it.
Frogbèrt
Mr_No_Good
> with for the next four years, unless someone does you all a favor and
pulls
> the plug on it. And if you fail to see *that*, I can't imagine how you
even
> managed to post here, since only a totally ignorant asshole would fail to
> see that the new Dutch government will not only destroy any positive
> achievement that was created in the last 25 years, but will also postpone
> any possibility of the country recovering from economic misery by about
ten
> years.
Mr, if you want to bully, leave for the nearest playground right now. I'm
willing to go into discussion with you, but if your vocabulairy doesnt reach
further than *fuckwith* I'm sorry for you...
I hate the new government, so I cant disagree with you on that point.
I am not saying I dont agree with you, but the way you seem to see it is
that you can insukt all the dutch, and when I say something about the french
I'm a *fuckwith*.
Bravo, you even scored under the modal dutch...
M@@rten
Blackheart
when did I become the company hitman?
and more importantly, what's in it for me? (the correct answer
consists of "a semi full of warhammer, confronation, warmachine and
Dark Ages models driven to my apartment by two hot swedish chicks with
big tits that like metal.")
Blackheart
>Laugh about this: the Dutch are overconfident, not too intelligent, don't
>give a fuck about anything except themselves, moan and whine about
>everything, cook shitty food, let their dogs crap all over the place,
>respond to common courtesy by beating people to death, don't know how to
>drive, think that good television means showing as much pussy as possible,
>think good politics means either kicking against everything without a proper
>programme or creating a programme that will throw the country back into the
>stone age, and last but not least they think "de Telegraaf" is a newspaper.
>
>
hey!! there's nothing wrong with showing the poontang on tv.. as long
as it's nice poontang... none of that drugged out skanky poontang
please...
Al and/or Albot
I didn't say I was on holiday. but it's a moot point anyway, since I don't
plan on staying on the wrong side of the atlantic any longer than I
absolutely have to.
Insane Ranter
"Frogbèrt" <a...@aa.aa> wrote in message
Who are the breasts...just seeing if this babe is worth the effort
Dom
<Blackh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 May 2003 20:21:26 +0200, "Frogbèrt" <a...@aa.aa> wrote:
>
>>"Mr_No_Good" <mr_no...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:DpNya.7860$KF1.134161@amstwist00...
>>>
>>> "> I've been a few times. france, germany, hungary. they're all just
>>like
>>> the
>>> > UK except I can't understand what anyone is saying (as opposing to
>>simply
>>> > not understanding why they bother opening their mouths in the first
>>place,
>>> > which is the case here).
>>>
>>> Next time when you go on holiday, bring your glasses with you and open
>>your
>>> eyes for a change :P
>>>
>>> M@@rten
>>>
>>
>>Blackheart, please waste this motherfucker or I will
>>
>
>when did I become the company hitman?
ha!...ever since your picture started floating around usenet.
http://www.drippingblood.com/images/hells-angel2.jpg
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Mikael
and/or Albot posted furiously:
>
> "Mr_No_Good" <mr_no...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:DpNya.7860$KF1.134161@amstwist00...
> >
> > > I've been a few times. france, germany, hungary. they're all just
> > > like the
> > > UK except I can't understand what anyone is saying (as opposing to
> > > simply
> > > not understanding why they bother opening their mouths in the first
> > > place, which is the case here).
> >
> > Next time when you go on holiday, bring your glasses with you and open
> > your
> > eyes for a change :P
>
> I didn't say I was on holiday.
I fucking live here. The only good thing about Europe is that whenever
people in a real country start whining about social democracy or some
other kind of semi-communism, you can point at Europe and say "Is that
what you want?". If they say yes, ship them there.
> but it's a moot point anyway, since I don't
> plan on staying on the wrong side of the atlantic any longer than I
> absolutely have to.
Likewise. It's the only sensible solution.
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Mikael
posted furiously:
> > windmills, coffee shops, blond girls and whatever you think we have in
> > Holland. Time for the dutch people on the newsgroup to laugh about the
> > people who think they know what Holland is all about... ;)
>
> Laugh about this: the Dutch are overconfident, not too intelligent, don't
> give a fuck about anything except themselves, moan and whine about
> everything, cook shitty food, let their dogs crap all over the place,
> respond to common courtesy by beating people to death, don't know how to
> drive, think that good television means showing as much pussy as possible,
> think good politics means either kicking against everything without a proper
> programme or creating a programme that will throw the country back into the
> stone age, and last but not least they think "de Telegraaf" is a newspaper.
"There's two kinds of people that I hate: People intolerant of other
nationalities, and bloody Dutchmen."
BTW, you just slagged off the Dutch, the Swedes of Central Europe, with a
huge eight-line sentence. Respect.
The Ancient Gamer
reader13.wanadoo.fr>, the youngun known as Frogbèrt VARFED UP...
of France, but believe me, I AM NOT mistaken nor did I misread
anything...
The Ancient Gamer
Blackheart VARFED UP...
I suspect you could get him to settle for the two hot swedish chicks...
Robert Singers
> So, grab your chance, cause now's the time to discuss wooden shoes,
> windmills, coffee shops, blond girls and whatever you think we have in
> Holland. Time for the dutch people on the newsgroup to laugh about the
> people who think they know what Holland is all about... ;)
One word - "Grolsh". It's the WMD that Bush has been looking for all
along.
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Send submissions to submissions at rgmw dot org changing the obvious.
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Robert Singers
> english is not a foreign language.
It is the way the English speak it.
> > > > > So, right, grab yor chance, cause now's the time ter discuss
> > > > > wooden shoes, windmills, coffee shops, right, blond girls and
> > > > > wotever yer fink we 'ave in 'olland. Time for the dutch
> > > > > blokes on the chuffin' newsgroup ter laugh about the
> > > > > bleedin'blokes 'oo fink they know wot 'olland is all about...
> > > > > ;)
> > > > where the hell is 'olland
>>> 'ell indeed. Imagine the bleedin' world 'as an tosser. Try 'ave a
>>> lookin' inside. Then ask directions.
> > So yor tryin' ter say that ter go ter Holland, first yer need ter go
> > to France and ask directions?
> I wouldnt bovver askin' directions in France, the only fin' they care
> about is chees, right, so they dont speak any foreign 'am sandwichs,
> not even English...
Robert Singers
> Blackheart, please waste this motherfucker or I will
Bahahahahaha. Someone mistaking the pansy goth for a hard man is always
funny.
Kurt
> Out from under a rock popped Frogbèrt and said
>
>> Blackheart, please waste this motherfucker or I will
>
> Bahahahahaha. Someone mistaking the pansy goth for a hard man is always
> funny.
>
"waste", it's French for "blow".
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Frogbèrt
> > I'm talking about your *new* government, fuckwit. The one you'll be
stuck
> > with for the next four years, unless someone does you all a favor and
> pulls
> > the plug on it. And if you fail to see *that*, I can't imagine how you
> even
> > managed to post here, since only a totally ignorant asshole would fail
to
> > see that the new Dutch government will not only destroy any positive
> > achievement that was created in the last 25 years, but will also
postpone
> > any possibility of the country recovering from economic misery by about
> ten
> > years.
>
> Mr, if you want to bully, leave for the nearest playground right now. I'm
> willing to go into discussion with you, but if your vocabulairy doesnt
reach
> further than *fuckwith* I'm sorry for you...
I'm not the bullying kind. And I believe my previous posts have shown a
vocabulary somewhat beyond "fuckwit" (*and* with better spelling). You seem
to be looking for clues, aren't you?
> I hate the new government, so I cant disagree with you on that point.
> I am not saying I dont agree with you, but the way you seem to see it is
> that you can insukt all the dutch, and when I say something about the
french
> I'm a *fuckwith*.
Wrong again. I called you a fuckwit (sp) because you totally missed the
point about your new gouvernment. Furthermore, I did not attempt to insult
all the Dutch (most of them lack the intelligence to realize that they are
being insulted anyway; when in doubt, deny, remember?) but merely gave my
opinion (which might be considered expert, since I lived there for twenty
years, went to school there and obtained TWO masters' degrees from a Dutch
university, not withstanding the fact that my children still live there and
I visit the country every other weekend; oh, and my wife is Dutch), which
isn't very mild, but then I have every reason not to be mild about the
country and its people. And I don't mind whatever you say about the French,
whatever foundation you may have for your opinion cannot possibly be
accurate enough to even slightly bother me; one thing that is typical about
the Dutch is that most seem to hate the French, yet return to France every
summer. If your expertise on France is based on three weeks of holiday on a
"we speak Dutch" campsite any Frenchman wouldn't want to be found dead in a
twenty-mile radius of, then my calling you a fuckwit has just found another
good reason to do so. But then I'll explain something about the opinion the
French have about Dutch tourists: they moan about everything, haven't a clue
about French culture, are filthy beyond belief, are noisy and disrespectful,
and generally clueless. And they drive with their lights on at daytime,
which is mandatory in Sweden I believe, but illegal in France, and they are
cheap tippers (or no tippers at all, hence clueless).
> Bravo, you even scored under the modal dutch...
The "modal" Dutch? Get your act together, Maarten, it seems "Fringlish" has
found its match in "Dinglish" now. The French may not be good at English at
all (although most speak Italian very clearly and "sans" accent), but the
Dutch thinking their English is up to standard are the laughing stock of the
international business community. You could say that the French at least
avoid trying to speak a language they don't understand.
Now go and play, will you?
Frogbèrt
P Bowles
writes:
>Wrong again. I called you a fuckwit (sp) because you totally missed the
>point about your new gouvernment. Furthermore, I did not attempt to insult
>all the Dutch (most of them lack the intelligence to realize that they are
>being insulted anyway; when in doubt, deny, remember?) but merely gave my
>opinion (which might be considered expert, since I lived there for twenty
>years, went to school there and obtained TWO masters' degrees from a Dutch
>university, not withstanding the fact that my children still live there and
>I visit the country every other weekend; oh, and my wife is Dutch)
Not having any more experience of Holland than briefly passing through, what
*is* the problem with the new government?
, which
>isn't very mild, but then I have every reason not to be mild about the
>country and its people. And I don't mind whatever you say about the French,
>whatever foundation you may have for your opinion cannot possibly be
>accurate enough to even slightly bother me; one thing that is typical about
>the Dutch is that most seem to hate the French, yet return to France every
>summer.
I knew the Dutch and the English have a lot in common, but surely not that
much? I thought the Dutch mainly hated the Spanish, anyway. Oh, and the
English. Portugese?
But then I'll explain something about the opinion the
>French have about Dutch tourists: they moan about everything, haven't a clue
>about French culture, are filthy beyond belief, are noisy and disrespectful,
>and generally clueless.
They *are* the English!
And they drive with their lights on at daytime,
>which is mandatory in Sweden I believe, but illegal in France
Could be worse - I've been told by the Egyptians that they can always tell a
European driver in their country, because they're the ones who have their
lights on at night.
and they are
>cheap tippers (or no tippers at all, hence clueless).
Maybe they're used to service charges being included in the cost - that's the
way things are done in most British restaurants these days.
The French may not be good at English at
>all (although most speak Italian very clearly and "sans" accent), but the
>Dutch thinking their English is up to standard are the laughing stock of the
>international business community. You could say that the French at least
>avoid trying to speak a language they don't understand.
The British go one better - we avoid trying to learn languages we don't
understand...
Philip Bowles
Al and/or Albot
"Mikael" <mik...@ci5.gov> wrote in message
news:MPG.19361b378...@news.inet.fi...
> In article <8EQya.130$j%.5@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, a sleeping Al
> and/or Albot posted furiously:
> >
> > "Mr_No_Good" <mr_no...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:DpNya.7860$KF1.134161@amstwist00...
> > >
> > > > I've been a few times. france, germany, hungary. they're all just
> > > > like the
> > > > UK except I can't understand what anyone is saying (as opposing to
> > > > simply
> > > > not understanding why they bother opening their mouths in the first
> > > > place, which is the case here).
> > >
> > > Next time when you go on holiday, bring your glasses with you and open
> > > your
> > > eyes for a change :P
> >
> > I didn't say I was on holiday.
>
> I fucking live here. The only good thing about Europe is that whenever
> people in a real country start whining about social democracy or some
> other kind of semi-communism, you can point at Europe and say "Is that
> what you want?". If they say yes, ship them there.
well, I live in the UK, which is basically europe-lite these days (by "these
days" I mean post-1945). in most respects, at least as far as civil
liberties go, it is noticeably better than the majority of european
countries (there are notable exceptions, which I'll not go into right now).
> > but it's a moot point anyway, since I don't
> > plan on staying on the wrong side of the atlantic any longer than I
> > absolutely have to.
>
> Likewise. It's the only sensible solution.
hah. that makes another of us. we should all organise and co-ordinate our
efforts to escape the disaster that is the EU.
Mikael
>
> "Mikael" <mik...@ci5.gov> wrote in message
> news:MPG.19361b378...@news.inet.fi...
> > In article <8EQya.130$j%.5@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, a sleeping Al
> > and/or Albot posted furiously:
> > >
> > > "Mr_No_Good" <mr_no...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:DpNya.7860$KF1.134161@amstwist00...
> > > >
> > > > > I've been a few times. france, germany, hungary. they're all just
> > > > > like the
> > > > > UK except I can't understand what anyone is saying (as opposing to
> > > > > simply
> > > > > not understanding why they bother opening their mouths in the first
> > > > > place, which is the case here).
> > > >
> > > > Next time when you go on holiday, bring your glasses with you and open
> > > > your
> > > > eyes for a change :P
> > >
> > > I didn't say I was on holiday.
> >
> > I fucking live here. The only good thing about Europe is that whenever
> > people in a real country start whining about social democracy or some
> > other kind of semi-communism, you can point at Europe and say "Is that
> > what you want?". If they say yes, ship them there.
>
> well, I live in the UK, which is basically europe-lite these days (by "these
> days" I mean post-1945).
To be fair, there was that Labour time right after 1945 when it almost
became USSR-lite.
> in most respects, at least as far as civil
> liberties go, it is noticeably better than the majority of european
> countries (there are notable exceptions, which I'll not go into right now).
Generally speaking this is very true.
> > > but it's a moot point anyway, since I don't
> > > plan on staying on the wrong side of the atlantic any longer than I
> > > absolutely have to.
> >
> > Likewise. It's the only sensible solution.
>
> hah. that makes another of us.
Oh yes. I don't see many people defending European social democracy
here...
> we should all organise and co-ordinate our
> efforts to escape the disaster that is the EU.
Absolutely. At least we've completed the first phase: we've sent Craig to
the US as our deep penetration agent.
Mikael
Bowles posted furiously:
> In article <bai841$a0s$1...@news-reader12.wanadoo.fr>, "Frogbèrt" <a...@aa.aa>
> writes:
>
> >Wrong again. I called you a fuckwit (sp) because you totally missed the
> >point about your new gouvernment. Furthermore, I did not attempt to insult
> >all the Dutch (most of them lack the intelligence to realize that they are
> >being insulted anyway; when in doubt, deny, remember?) but merely gave my
> >opinion (which might be considered expert, since I lived there for twenty
> >years, went to school there and obtained TWO masters' degrees from a Dutch
> >university, not withstanding the fact that my children still live there and
> >I visit the country every other weekend; oh, and my wife is Dutch)
>
> Not having any more experience of Holland than briefly passing through, what
> *is* the problem with the new government?
Is it the same as ours? We have a dodgy semi-socialist government (social
democrats and agrarians, to be precise) that's promising to fix the
national economy with government subsidies and tax cuts. Yes, at the same
time.
<snip>
> But then I'll explain something about the opinion the
> >French have about Dutch tourists: they moan about everything, haven't a clue
> >about French culture, are filthy beyond belief, are noisy and disrespectful,
> >and generally clueless.
>
> They *are* the English!
Or the Germans...
P Bowles
writes:
>In article <20030522064110...@mb-m17.aol.com>, a sleeping P
>Bowles posted furiously:
>> In article <bai841$a0s$1...@news-reader12.wanadoo.fr>, "Frogbèrt" <a...@aa.aa>
>> writes:
>>
>> >Wrong again. I called you a fuckwit (sp) because you totally missed the
>> >point about your new gouvernment. Furthermore, I did not attempt to insult
>> >all the Dutch (most of them lack the intelligence to realize that they are
>> >being insulted anyway; when in doubt, deny, remember?) but merely gave my
>> >opinion (which might be considered expert, since I lived there for twenty
>> >years, went to school there and obtained TWO masters' degrees from a Dutch
>> >university, not withstanding the fact that my children still live there
>and
>> >I visit the country every other weekend; oh, and my wife is Dutch)
>>
>> Not having any more experience of Holland than briefly passing through,
>what
>> *is* the problem with the new government?
>
>Is it the same as ours? We have a dodgy semi-socialist government (social
>democrats and agrarians, to be precise) that's promising to fix the
>national economy with government subsidies and tax cuts. Yes, at the same
>time.
We had one of those about six years ago. Then it decided to tax everyone more
highly than any previous government, kept the economy afloat with huge loans
that have given us the greatest budget deficit in 350 years and has somehow
lost all that money on the way to giving it to public services - for example,
increasing the tax schools have to pay by a greater amount than the increase in
financial awards to same schools. The media held a live vigil outside one
school yesterday which had to send 700 of its pupils home in the afternoon
because it had run out of money. We've had three-day school weeks in this
county in the last couple of years to boot. Don't even start on the health
servive, employment service, public transport...
Philip Bowles
Frogbèrt
what
> > *is* the problem with the new government?
>
> Is it the same as ours? We have a dodgy semi-socialist government (social
> democrats and agrarians, to be precise) that's promising to fix the
> national economy with government subsidies and tax cuts. Yes, at the same
> time.
OK, here's the deal: Socialist/democrat government was sent home last year,
then populists/confessionalist conservatives won the election, but the
populists didn't know shit about politics and the cabinet fell after 86
days. Another election, socialists come back by a landslide, but
confessionalists win (44 against 42 seats out of 150 in parliament,
respectively). However, the *obvious* coalition doesn't work out, so now
it's confessionalists, liberals (make the rich richer and fuck the rest) and
clueless democrats (who sold their soul to remain in government). The plan:
15 BILLION in cutbacks to reduce the budget deficit, most of the money
coming out of education, public service, health care and the likes. Besides,
the confessionalists (after having been in opposition for twelve years) will
try to undo a lot of stuff that was achieved in those twelve years: same-sex
weddings, euthanasia, social housing... plus the odd "advantage" or two for
"healthy, christian value" families.
Fuck Holland, I give up. But it hurts to see my friends and family suffer
from this. Most of them work in public service, and they *will* get hurt.
Worst thing is that most of the population don't seem to care. Oh right,
they're Dutch.
Frogbèrt
Mikael
posted furiously:
> "Mikael" <mik...@ci5.gov> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1936e7fea...@news.inet.fi...
> > In article <20030522064110...@mb-m17.aol.com>, a sleeping P
> > Bowles posted furiously:
> > > Not having any more experience of Holland than briefly passing through,
> what
> > > *is* the problem with the new government?
> >
> > Is it the same as ours? We have a dodgy semi-socialist government (social
> > democrats and agrarians, to be precise) that's promising to fix the
> > national economy with government subsidies and tax cuts. Yes, at the same
> > time.
>
> OK, here's the deal: Socialist/democrat government was sent home last year,
> then populists/confessionalist conservatives won the election, but the
> populists didn't know shit about politics and the cabinet fell after 86
> days. Another election, socialists come back by a landslide, but
> confessionalists win (44 against 42 seats out of 150 in parliament,
> respectively). However, the *obvious* coalition doesn't work out, so now
> it's confessionalists, liberals (make the rich richer and fuck the rest) and
> clueless democrats (who sold their soul to remain in government). The plan:
> 15 BILLION in cutbacks to reduce the budget deficit, most of the money
> coming out of education, public service, health care and the likes.
Excuse my question, but with a massive national debt, how exactly is this
a bad thing?
Mr_No_Good
> Wrong again. I called you a fuckwit (sp) because you totally missed the
> point about your new gouvernment.
I dont think I didnt. I can understand how you fell about the new government
and I really hate the new government. 'Paars' and 'Paars II' really did
fine, and the new government is going to cancel all the good things they
have done. No we are ruled by a bunch of liberal, conservative christian
nono's...
> Furthermore, I did not attempt to insult
> all the Dutch (most of them lack the intelligence to realize that they are
> being insulted anyway; when in doubt, deny, remember?) but merely gave my
> opinion (which might be considered expert, since I lived there for twenty
> years, went to school there and obtained TWO masters' degrees from a Dutch
> university, not withstanding the fact that my children still live there
and
> I visit the country every other weekend; oh, and my wife is Dutch), which
> isn't very mild,
Why did you spend twenty years of your life living in a country you dont
like?
but then I have every reason not to be mild about the
> country and its people. And I don't mind whatever you say about the
French,
> whatever foundation you may have for your opinion cannot possibly be
> accurate enough to even slightly bother me; one thing that is typical
about
> the Dutch is that most seem to hate the French, yet return to France every
> summer.
LOL, I didnt mean to insult the french, it was a desperate act, little
stupid... I cant understand why peolple are going on holiday to the same
country year after year. Allright, France is a pretty beautiful country, but
the only thing the dutch do is lying on the beech...
If your expertise on France is based on three weeks of holiday on a
> "we speak Dutch" campsite any Frenchman wouldn't want to be found dead in
a
> twenty-mile radius of, then my calling you a fuckwit has just found
another
> good reason to do so. But then I'll explain something about the opinion
the
> French have about Dutch tourists: they moan about everything, haven't a
clue
> about French culture, are filthy beyond belief, are noisy and
disrespectful,
> and generally clueless.
I havent been to France for many times, you are right about that. Me and my
parents do speak french though, and we're not the kind of typical dutch
tourist. Maybe you know the dutch TV-commercial for Paturain? I think it is
really funny. It shows exactly how most dutch behave on holiday. They dont
know french, they dont know their habits, they dont know anything about the
french...
But please remember that there are dutch other than those mentioned before.
And they drive with their lights on at daytime,
> which is mandatory in Sweden I believe, but illegal in France, and they
are
> cheap tippers (or no tippers at all, hence clueless).
>
In Holland it is often safe to drive with your headlights on overdays
because of our climate.
Dutch are cheap tippers, I can agree with you there.
> > Bravo, you even scored under the modal dutch...
>
> The "modal" Dutch? Get your act together, Maarten, it seems "Fringlish"
has
> found its match in "Dinglish" now. The French may not be good at English
at
> all (although most speak Italian very clearly and "sans" accent), but the
> Dutch thinking their English is up to standard are the laughing stock of
the
> international business community. You could say that the French at least
> avoid trying to speak a language they don't understand.
What you dont know is that I'm only sixteen, so how can I have learned to
speak english perfectly in such short time? You have lived in America, so it
should be a very common thing to you speaking english. It isnt to me and I
am still learning the speach.
Once again, I didnt meant to insult you personally or to insult the french.
Maybe my previous posts were a little overreacted but if you look at it the
other way, you havent been very understanding have you?
M@@rten
Mr_No_Good
"Robert Singers" <rsin...@finger.hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:Xns9383879DC6991rsingers@IP-Hidden...
> Out from under a rock popped Mr_No_Good and said
>
> > So, grab your chance, cause now's the time to discuss wooden shoes,
> > windmills, coffee shops, blond girls and whatever you think we have in
> > Holland. Time for the dutch people on the newsgroup to laugh about the
> > people who think they know what Holland is all about... ;)
>
> One word - "Grolsh". It's the WMD that Bush has been looking for all
> along.
And Heineken, Dommelsch, Bavaria, Amstel, Hertog Jan, Vos...
M@@rten
Al and/or Albot
> In article <Vw2za.6325$eq2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, a sleeping
> Al and/or Albot posted furiously:
> >
"these
> > days" I mean post-1945).
>
> To be fair, there was that Labour time right after 1945 when it almost
> became USSR-lite.
nah, Attlee's government was never decisive enough to constitute a socialist
state a la USSR. about the only thing they accomplished was the formation
of the NHS, and that began falling to pieces not long after their term of
office was over. other than that, they continued the unbroken Labour
tradition of vacillating pointlessly while producing astonishing amounts of
nonsensical rhetoric (in which they differ from the tories only insofar as
most of them can't sustain proper grammar or pronunciation while doing so).
> > > > but it's a moot point anyway, since I don't
> > > > plan on staying on the wrong side of the atlantic any longer than I
> > > > absolutely have to.
> > >
> > > Likewise. It's the only sensible solution.
> >
> > hah. that makes another of us.
>
> Oh yes. I don't see many people defending European social democracy
> here...
I rarely see anyone doing it anywhere. all the intelligent people realise
that there's not much to sustain a defensive argument.
> > we should all organise and co-ordinate our
> > efforts to escape the disaster that is the EU.
>
> Absolutely. At least we've completed the first phase: we've sent Craig to
> the US as our deep penetration agent.
some people have all the luck...
Al and/or Albot
well obviously it isn't as far as the government is concerned, since
politicians can all afford private health plans and their own cars. it only
becomes a problem when you take the actual population of the country into
account...
Al and/or Albot
>
> > Furthermore, I did not attempt to insult
> > all the Dutch (most of them lack the intelligence to realize that they
are
> > being insulted anyway; when in doubt, deny, remember?) but merely gave
my
> > opinion (which might be considered expert, since I lived there for
twenty
> > years, went to school there and obtained TWO masters' degrees from a
Dutch
> > university, not withstanding the fact that my children still live there
> and
> > I visit the country every other weekend; oh, and my wife is Dutch),
which
> > isn't very mild,
>
> Why did you spend twenty years of your life living in a country you dont
> like?
I'll remember to ask that question to the next iraqi refugee I meet. you're
not helping your argument by coming out with vacuous nonsense like this. an
awful lot of people are stuck in countries they "don't like" purely because
there aren't opportunities to get anywhere else. if I had a chance to quit
the UK forever tomorrow, I'd take it; however with no job, no education to
speak of, and no money, I'm not going anywhere very fast no matter how much
I'd want to.
John Hwang
>"Frogbèrt" <a...@aa.aa> writes:
>>one thing that is typical about the Dutch is that most seem
>>to hate the French, yet return to France every summer.
>
>I knew the Dutch and the English have a lot in common, but surely not that
>much?
At least we 'Merkins don't holiday in France.
>>But then I'll explain something about the opinion the French have
>>about Dutch tourists: they moan about everything, haven't a clue
>>about French culture, are filthy beyond belief, are noisy and
>>disrespectful, and generally clueless.
>
>They *are* the English!
Nay. 'Merkins!
Er, wait. We're big on washing. Nevermind.
>> and they are
>>cheap tippers (or no tippers at all, hence clueless).
>
>Maybe they're used to service charges being included in the cost -
>that's the way things are done in most British restaurants these days.
That's par for Germany and Luxembourg as well.
>The French may not be good at English at
>>all (although most speak Italian very clearly and "sans" accent), but the
>>Dutch thinking their English is up to standard are the laughing stock of the
>>international business community. You could say that the French at least
>>avoid trying to speak a language they don't understand.
>
>The British go one better - we avoid trying to learn languages we don't
>understand...
Are you *sure* you aren't talking about 'Merkins?
--
--- John Hwang "JohnHw...@cs.com.no.com"
\-|-/
| A.K.D. F.E.M.C.
| Horned Blood Cross Terror LED Speed Jagd Destiny
Mikael
sleeping Al and/or Albot posted furiously:
Do you realize that a country can't keep operating with a budget deficit
every year? Every time the budget doesn't make ends meet, the government
needs to borrow money. The more often it does that, the more interest it
has to pay and the less money it ends up having. If there's a constant
budget deficit, expenses have to be cut or the whole damn country is
going to go bankrupt. Living in a country that's taking the road
signposted "Bankruptcy", I know how this works. What exactly is your
alternative way to rescue the national economies of Western Europe, if
cutbacks don't "take the actual population of the country into account"?
P Bowles
<mr_no...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> Wrong again. I called you a fuckwit (sp) because you totally missed the
>> point about your new gouvernment.
>
>I dont think I didnt.
Nice to see you agreeing with him...
No we are ruled by a bunch of liberal, conservative christian
>nono's...
Do you have any idea how illogical that sounds in English?
Allright, France is a pretty beautiful country, but
>the only thing the dutch do is lying on the beech...
The Dutch must be great climbers then - beeches don't have branches anywhere
near the ground...
>And they drive with their lights on at daytime,
>> which is mandatory in Sweden I believe, but illegal in France, and they
>are
>> cheap tippers (or no tippers at all, hence clueless).
>>
>
>In Holland it is often safe to drive with your headlights on overdays
>because of our climate.
Why, is it permanently foggy in Holland? I'm not sure if driving with lights on
in clear weather is illegal in Britain, but it's certainly a recognised safety
hazard.
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
writes:
>> Is it the same as ours? We have a dodgy semi-socialist government (social
>> democrats and agrarians, to be precise) that's promising to fix the
>> national economy with government subsidies and tax cuts. Yes, at the same
>> time.
>
>OK, here's the deal: Socialist/democrat government was sent home last year,
>then populists/confessionalist conservatives won the election, but the
>populists didn't know shit about politics and the cabinet fell after 86
>days.
Now if only that had happened to our populist socialists who know nothing about
politics.
Another election, socialists come back by a landslide, but
>confessionalists win (44 against 42 seats out of 150 in parliament,
>respectively). However, the *obvious* coalition doesn't work out, so now
>it's confessionalists, liberals (make the rich richer and fuck the rest)
A bit like our 'make the middle class more middle class and f*** the rest, on
second thoughts sod it - f*** everybody' Liberals...
and
>clueless democrats (who sold their soul to remain in government). The plan:
>15 BILLION in cutbacks to reduce the budget deficit, most of the money
>coming out of education, public service, health care and the likes.
Ah, the reverse of our situation - our government massively increased the
budget deficit to increase public sector spending. Only trouble is, somehow all
that extra money has made things worse than they were before, not least because
the extra money can't keep up with tax rises.
Besides,
>the confessionalists (after having been in opposition for twelve years) will
>try to undo a lot of stuff that was achieved in those twelve years: same-sex
>weddings, euthanasia, social housing...
Oddly, it's our Conservatives who made the greatest strides in social housing -
we still don't have either of the others legally, with the only legally
recognised same-sex marriage having been between a woman and a transexual. They
happen anyway, though, and successful prosecution for euthanasia is now almost
unknown.
plus the odd "advantage" or two for
>"healthy, christian value" families.
>
>Fuck Holland, I give up. But it hurts to see my friends and family suffer
>from this. Most of them work in public service, and they *will* get hurt.
>Worst thing is that most of the population don't seem to care. Oh right,
>they're Dutch.
I keep wondering if I'm missing something our government's doing right, simply
because I never see or hear of anyone protesting about all the cock-ups. Even
the anti-war protests were levelled at Bush, as though Blair is sacrosanct for
some reason.
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
writes:
>> well obviously it isn't as far as the government is concerned, since
>> politicians can all afford private health plans and their own cars. it
>only
>> becomes a problem when you take the actual population of the country into
>> account...
>
>Do you realize that a country can't keep operating with a budget deficit
>every year?
Of course not - he's from the UK, where we have operated with a budget deficit
every year. Well, since 1997 or 8 anyway.
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
johnhw...@cs.com.no.com (John Hwang) writes:
>pbo...@aol.com (P Bowles) wrote:
>>"Frogbčrt" <a...@aa.aa> writes:
>
>>>one thing that is typical about the Dutch is that most seem
>>>to hate the French, yet return to France every summer.
>>
>>I knew the Dutch and the English have a lot in common, but surely not that
>>much?
>
>At least we 'Merkins don't holiday in France.
Apparently Spain's our most popular holiday destination, but it tends to
require getting through France...
>>>But then I'll explain something about the opinion the French have
>>>about Dutch tourists: they moan about everything, haven't a clue
>>>about French culture, are filthy beyond belief, are noisy and
>>>disrespectful, and generally clueless.
>>
>>They *are* the English!
>
>Nay. 'Merkins!
>
>Er, wait. We're big on washing. Nevermind.
We aren't, and we're hooligans too!
>>The French may not be good at English at
>>>all (although most speak Italian very clearly and "sans" accent), but the
>>>Dutch thinking their English is up to standard are the laughing stock of
>the
>>>international business community. You could say that the French at least
>>>avoid trying to speak a language they don't understand.
>>
>>The British go one better - we avoid trying to learn languages we don't
>>understand...
>
>Are you *sure* you aren't talking about 'Merkins?
Well, they're just Englishmen across the sea with a funny accent...
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
Albot" <mal...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>"Mikael" <mik...@ci5.gov> wrote in message
>news:MPG.1936e77d9...@news.inet.fi...
>> In article <Vw2za.6325$eq2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, a sleeping
>> Al and/or Albot posted furiously:
>> >
>> > well, I live in the UK, which is basically europe-lite these days (by
>"these
>> > days" I mean post-1945).
>>
>> To be fair, there was that Labour time right after 1945 when it almost
>> became USSR-lite.
>
>nah, Attlee's government was never decisive enough to constitute a socialist
>state a la USSR.
No, but he did give the Russians all our intelligence information and
sophisticated jet engine technology.
about the only thing they accomplished was the formation
>of the NHS, and that began falling to pieces not long after their term of
>office was over.
Well, his was always going to be a caretaker government, implementing the
social reforms decided by the war government, including the modern welfare
state and the NHS. Atlee's government was largely unobjectionable primarily
because it didn't have the opportunity to do anything off its own bat.
Philip Bowles
Al and/or Albot
"P Bowles" <pbo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030522122245...@mb-m10.aol.com...
> In article <Ql6za.10866$eq2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Al and/or
> Albot" <mal...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>
> >"Mikael" <mik...@ci5.gov> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.1936e77d9...@news.inet.fi...
> >> In article <Vw2za.6325$eq2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, a
sleeping
> >> Al and/or Albot posted furiously:
> >> >
> >> > well, I live in the UK, which is basically europe-lite these days (by
> >"these
> >> > days" I mean post-1945).
> >>
> >> To be fair, there was that Labour time right after 1945 when it almost
> >> became USSR-lite.
> >
> >nah, Attlee's government was never decisive enough to constitute a
socialist
> >state a la USSR.
>
> No, but he did give the Russians all our intelligence information and
> sophisticated jet engine technology.
luckily, they were too inept because of Stalin's senility to actually do
much useful with it (at least until the development of the first MiG about
20 years later).
> about the only thing they accomplished was the formation
> >of the NHS, and that began falling to pieces not long after their term of
> >office was over.
>
> Well, his was always going to be a caretaker government, implementing the
> social reforms decided by the war government, including the modern welfare
> state and the NHS. Atlee's government was largely unobjectionable
primarily
> because it didn't have the opportunity to do anything off its own bat.
a pity the same can't be said of certain other labour governments since that
time...
Al and/or Albot
well, I can't speak for everyone, but the UK seems to have managed for the
best part of 250 years...
> What exactly is your
> alternative way to rescue the national economies of Western Europe, if
> cutbacks don't "take the actual population of the country into account"?
mine? I'd favour "cutbacks in population" instead.
Blackheart
wrote:
>It was twenty years ago today, Robert Singers taught the band to play
>
>> Out from under a rock popped Frogbèrt and said
>>
>>> Blackheart, please waste this motherfucker or I will
>>
>> Bahahahahaha. Someone mistaking the pansy goth for a hard man is always
>> funny.
>>
>"waste", it's French for "blow".
run along junior
and if you really feel the need to keep quoting the inbred sheep
shagger, you can go into the killfile with him
*plonk*
Ewok
"Mr_No_Good" <mr_no...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> and you don't have little boys sticking their fingers in the holes to save
>> everyone
>>
>
> So, grab your chance, cause now's the time to discuss wooden shoes,
> windmills, coffee shops, blond girls and whatever you think we have in
> Holland. Time for the dutch people on the newsgroup to laugh about the
> people who think they know what Holland is all about... ;)
>
I protest
The wooden shoes and the blond girls is what we have in Sweden.
> M@@rten
>
>
/Ewok
--
" Oktober. Detta är en av de särskilt farliga månaderna för fondbörs-
spekulation. De andra äro juli, januari, september, april, november, maj,
mars, juni, december, augusti och februari." - Mark Twain
Mr_No_Good
you're
> not helping your argument by coming out with vacuous nonsense like this.
an
> awful lot of people are stuck in countries they "don't like" purely
because
> there aren't opportunities to get anywhere else. if I had a chance to
quit
> the UK forever tomorrow, I'd take it; however with no job, no education to
> speak of, and no money, I'm not going anywhere very fast no matter how
much
> I'd want to.
It wasnt meant to be funny. I was really wondering that. I'm just
interested, but I'm afraid some people think the worst of me.
M@@rten
Mr_No_Good
> Nice to see you agreeing with him...
>
Actually, I agree with him on many points. It's just, if you find people
kind of insulting you and/or ypur country, you can get pretty angry, even
when you are not patriotic. I think this happened in some way to Frogbert
too.
> No we are ruled by a bunch of liberal, conservative christian
> >nono's...
>
> Do you have any idea how illogical that sounds in English?
>
Not really. What's the most illogical part?
> Allright, France is a pretty beautiful country, but
> >the only thing the dutch do is lying on the beech...
>
> The Dutch must be great climbers then - beeches don't have branches
anywhere
> near the ground...
>
LOL. I meant beach of course. Funny mistake now that I see it.
> >And they drive with their lights on at daytime,
> >> which is mandatory in Sweden I believe, but illegal in France, and they
> >are
> >> cheap tippers (or no tippers at all, hence clueless).
> >>
> >
> >In Holland it is often safe to drive with your headlights on overdays
> >because of our climate.
>
> Why, is it permanently foggy in Holland? I'm not sure if driving with
lights on
> in clear weather is illegal in Britain, but it's certainly a recognised
safety
> hazard.
The dutch climat is very rainy (sounds like England) and we do have fog
during the winter, so it;s usually safe to put your headlights on. You only
have to switch one handle, so why not?
M@@rten
P Bowles
<mr_no...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> No we are ruled by a bunch of liberal, conservative christian
>> >nono's...
>>
>> Do you have any idea how illogical that sounds in English?
>>
>
>Not really. What's the most illogical part?
"Liberal" and "conservative" are by definition opposing philosophies - liberals
always favour increases in liberties even in free societies, while
conservatives want to preserve the status quo. Even in a traditionally liberal
society like most in the West, liberals always want more. Not that that means
political parties won't adopt these as a label - politicians aren't known for
being great thinkers.
>> Why, is it permanently foggy in Holland? I'm not sure if driving with
>lights on
>> in clear weather is illegal in Britain, but it's certainly a recognised
>safety
>> hazard.
>
>The dutch climat is very rainy (sounds like England) and we do have fog
>during the winter, so it;s usually safe to put your headlights on. You only
>have to switch one handle, so why not?
In case other drivers are dazzled so can't see where they're going, maybe?
Philip Bowles
Mr_No_Good
"> "Liberal" and "conservative" are by definition opposing philosophies -
liberals
> always favour increases in liberties even in free societies, while
> conservatives want to preserve the status quo. Even in a traditionally
liberal
> society like most in the West, liberals always want more. Not that that
means
> political parties won't adopt these as a label - politicians aren't known
for
> being great thinkers.
I learned it different. I learned this scheme:\
Liberal
|
|
Progressive------------------------------------Conservative
|
|
Social
Dunno how good it suits reality though...\
M@@rten
Mikael
Not really, no. Only since World War II. And look how "well" it's doing.
> > What exactly is your
> > alternative way to rescue the national economies of Western Europe, if
> > cutbacks don't "take the actual population of the country into account"?
>
> mine? I'd favour "cutbacks in population" instead.
That's an interesting way of taking them into account... To be honest, I
thought you meant that in the metaphorical sense.
Mikael
Bowles posted furiously:
Ha! We've been doing it for decades. The only sizeable foreign trade
Finland ever had was with the Soviet Union, through bilateral contracts.
When the USSR collapsed, we had a huge recession. Ever since, there's
been a budget deficit, and our just-elected government basically won the
elections by promising not to fix it.
Mikael
Our new one is absolutely brilliant. There was a news headline yesterday:
Government to cut taxes and increase public expenditures. We live in a
country with a massive national debt and hugely overinflated public
sector, and how are they going to fix it? Cutting taxes and increasing
public sector expenditure. I love it.
To digress a little, Finland has inherited an interesting tradition where
counties are financially independent. They tax their inhabitants and
generally run their own finances, with occasional state subsidies. This
was abolished a couple of years ago by the social democrats and
practically no-one noticed. Now, the counties still have to fend for
themselves, but the government grabs revenue from the highest-earning
counties and shunts it off to the low earners.
No-one seems to have noticed that the counties getting the most tax are
also the ones with the most inhabitants to fend for, and their population
is some 20 times bigger. Helsinki is shutting down schools, libraries and
health care everywhere simply because suddenly their money is gone. We
were supposed to get a new subway line; now there's no hope of that since
no-one can afford a thing any more. I don't know why they say we have
free healthcare and government-subsidized public transport, since the
second is bloody expensive and the first you can't get. I busted a tooth
6 months ago and was refused treatment. "Go to a private dentist, our
queues are 6 months long."
Predictably, vocal popular opinion blames "bureaucrats" and
especially "neoliberalism". I love Europe.
Mikael
>
> "P Bowles" <pbo...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030522122245...@mb-m10.aol.com...
> > In article <Ql6za.10866$eq2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Al and/or
> > Albot" <mal...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> >
> > >"Mikael" <mik...@ci5.gov> wrote in message
> > >news:MPG.1936e77d9...@news.inet.fi...
> > >> In article <Vw2za.6325$eq2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, a
> sleeping
> > >> Al and/or Albot posted furiously:
> > >> >
> > >> > well, I live in the UK, which is basically europe-lite these days (by
> > >"these
> > >> > days" I mean post-1945).
> > >>
> > >> To be fair, there was that Labour time right after 1945 when it almost
> > >> became USSR-lite.
> > >
> > >nah, Attlee's government was never decisive enough to constitute a
> socialist
> > >state a la USSR.
> >
> > No, but he did give the Russians all our intelligence information and
> > sophisticated jet engine technology.
>
> luckily, they were too inept because of Stalin's senility to actually do
> much useful with it (at least until the development of the first MiG about
> 20 years later).
Ahem. The first MiG was designed by Messrs. Mikoyan and Gurevich in 1940.
I assure you it wasn't a jet.
Jimi
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Frogbèrt
> It's just, if you find people
> kind of insulting you and/or ypur country, you can get pretty angry, even
> when you are not patriotic. I think this happened in some way to Frogbert
> too.
>
Maarten,
you are undoubtedly a nice person. Perhaps not too bright, but nice
nonetheless. But I advise you to abandon this thread. You simply keep
missing the point. This isn't about France, the French or myself feeling
insulted. You provoked a discussion about Holland and got what you bargained
for. Now the longer you keep pouring your ignorent comments into this
thread, the more likely you will reach a point where you will be flamed
mercilessly, perhaps even by me. You came here, so you must have some sort
of affiliation with Warhammer and/or Warhammer 40K. Live happily ever after
posting meaningfull questions and/or meaningfull answers. But stop
provoking, or I'll suck the eyeballs out of your skull and fuck the hole
with a smile on my face (or something like that).
Frogbèrt
Mikael
>
> "Mikael" <mik...@ci5.gov> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1936e77d9...@news.inet.fi...
> > In article <Vw2za.6325$eq2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, a sleeping
> > Al and/or Albot posted furiously:
> > >
> > > well, I live in the UK, which is basically europe-lite these days (by
> "these
> > > days" I mean post-1945).
> >
> > To be fair, there was that Labour time right after 1945 when it almost
> > became USSR-lite.
>
> nah, Attlee's government was never decisive enough to constitute a socialist
> state a la USSR. about the only thing they accomplished was the formation
> of the NHS, and that began falling to pieces not long after their term of
> office was over. other than that, they continued the unbroken Labour
> tradition of vacillating pointlessly while producing astonishing amounts of
> nonsensical rhetoric (in which they differ from the tories only insofar as
> most of them can't sustain proper grammar or pronunciation while doing so).
Really? You're telling me that despite what my history books tell me,
Attlee's government didn't nationalize the Bank of England, the coal
mines, civil aviation, cable and wireless communications, electricity,
gas, and the iron and steel industries? Nowhere in history bar the USSR,
Cuba and North Korea has mankind come closer to socialism than in the UK
under Attlee.
Mikael
Bowles posted furiously:
> In article <Ql6za.10866$eq2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Al and/or
> Albot" <mal...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>
> >"Mikael" <mik...@ci5.gov> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.1936e77d9...@news.inet.fi...
> >> In article <Vw2za.6325$eq2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, a sleeping
> >> Al and/or Albot posted furiously:
> >> >
> >> > well, I live in the UK, which is basically europe-lite these days (by
> >"these
> >> > days" I mean post-1945).
> >>
> >> To be fair, there was that Labour time right after 1945 when it almost
> >> became USSR-lite.
> >
> >nah, Attlee's government was never decisive enough to constitute a socialist
> >state a la USSR.
>
> No, but he did give the Russians all our intelligence information and
> sophisticated jet engine technology.
And his later successors scrapped your carrier fleet, if memory serves.
Mikael
Bowles posted furiously:
People here are protesting all right, but they're barking up all the
wrong trees. Mostly, they're blaming the civil servants for doing what
the politicians the protestors publicly voted for tell them to do.
Mikael
posted furiously:
>
> But stop
> provoking, or I'll suck the eyeballs out of your skull and fuck the hole
> with a smile on my face (or something like that).
PANTS. Someone check the IP number. This has to be Sam.
Mikael
Bowles posted furiously:
> In article <2N9za.8094$KF1.134343@amstwist00>, "Mr_No_Good"
> <mr_no...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >> No we are ruled by a bunch of liberal, conservative christian
> >> >nono's...
> >>
> >> Do you have any idea how illogical that sounds in English?
> >>
> >
> >Not really. What's the most illogical part?
>
> "Liberal" and "conservative" are by definition opposing philosophies - liberals
> always favour increases in liberties even in free societies, while
> conservatives want to preserve the status quo. Even in a traditionally liberal
> society like most in the West, liberals always want more.
Absolute bollocks. American liberals are after huge decreases in
individual liberties; they vocally campaign for gun bans and similar
legistlation. European conservatives usually practice liberal economic
policies and are conservative when it comes to moral issues. On the other
hand, European socialists are despotic with economic issues and liberla
with moral issues. Liberal conservative only holds contradictions for
people who think they can look these things up in a dictionary.
On a larger scale, there is no "liberal vs conservative" battle. There
are two separate ones; moral rights vs moral authority, and economic
rights versus economic authority. Most parties are authoritarian
(conservative, if you will) on one spectrum while simultaneously liberal
on another.
P Bowles
writes:
>> >Do you realize that a country can't keep operating with a budget deficit
>> >every year?
>>
>> Of course not - he's from the UK, where we have operated with a budget
>deficit
>> every year. Well, since 1997 or 8 anyway.
>
>Ha! We've been doing it for decades.
We had been, but the Major government succeeded in reducing and finally
eliminating the deficit for all of about two years, at least according to a
graphic representation on BBC news a month or two ago.
The only sizeable foreign trade
>Finland ever had was with the Soviet Union, through bilateral contracts.
>When the USSR collapsed, we had a huge recession. Ever since, there's
>been a budget deficit, and our just-elected government basically won the
>elections by promising not to fix it.
Since the early '90s ours hasn't really been an issue that's entered the public
consciousness.
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
writes:
True, but we didn't need them for anything. It was the Conservatives who
finally gave Britain's shipbuilding industry the merciful death it deserved.
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
writes:
>> I keep wondering if I'm missing something our government's doing right,
>simply
>> because I never see or hear of anyone protesting about all the cock-ups.
>Even
>> the anti-war protests were levelled at Bush, as though Blair is sacrosanct
>for
>> some reason.
>
>People here are protesting all right, but they're barking up all the
>wrong trees. Mostly, they're blaming the civil servants for doing what
>the politicians the protestors publicly voted for tell them to do.
In Britain civil servants are supposedly protected by anonymity and their
departments - after all, they only implement policy measures politicians
devise, and barring gross incompetence by the civil service (perish the
thought) the ministers *should* take the rap.
This is the theory. For many years it worked, but this government has a
distressing habit of publicly blaming civil servants for ministerial failures,
forcing their resignation as scapegoats (which is not only corrupt, it's
constitutionally illegal). In the long run, it's never saved the ministers in
question - Stephen Byers and Estelle Morris spring to mind - but it's given
them time for more damaging blunders before they go.
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
writes:
>Really? You're telling me that despite what my history books tell me,
>Attlee's government didn't nationalize the Bank of England,
Fortunately, the current Labour government had just enough sense to fully
privatise it - the best decision they have yet made (it was made about two days
after they came into power in May '97). If the government had actually retained
enough control of the economy to influence its fortunes, God knows what state
we'd be in now.
the coal
>mines, civil aviation, cable and wireless communications, electricity,
>gas, and the iron and steel industries?
Several of which have effectively collapsed following reprivatisation (coal -
though it experienced a brief resurgence under miners' co-operatives - iron,
steel, with civil aviation likely to follow). Nationalisation isn't necessarily
a bad thing, just usually.
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
writes:
>Our new one is absolutely brilliant. There was a news headline yesterday:
>Government to cut taxes and increase public expenditures. We live in a
>country with a massive national debt and hugely overinflated public
>sector, and how are they going to fix it? Cutting taxes and increasing
>public sector expenditure. I love it.
Ah, there's nothing like sending the country to hell for short-term personal
and political gain. It's like our politicians who turn a blind eye to the
schools crisis claiming that it's down to a local accounting mess-up - much
better to avoid political embarrassment than to admit there's a problem and
possibly try to do something about it.
Then there are our asylum figures - when the last set came out, the Home Office
report on the issue made it clear that the newly-set government target was 'too
ambitious' and, moreover, asylum applications to Britain were rising by a
greater amount than those in the rest of Europe contrary to the Home
Secretary's assertion. But suddenly, to save the day there has been a
miraculously sudden and sharp drop in asylum applications - so either the Home
Office was wrong all along, or the figures have been fiddled.
>To digress a little, Finland has inherited an interesting tradition where
>counties are financially independent. They tax their inhabitants and
>generally run their own finances, with occasional state subsidies. This
>was abolished a couple of years ago by the social democrats and
>practically no-one noticed. Now, the counties still have to fend for
>themselves, but the government grabs revenue from the highest-earning
>counties and shunts it off to the low earners.
Something similar's happening here, but the assertion has been that Labour
councils tend to do better out of government grants than other parties'.
Strangely for a government corruption allegation, this seems not to be true,
but it's the way things look likely to go.
>No-one seems to have noticed that the counties getting the most tax are
>also the ones with the most inhabitants to fend for, and their population
>is some 20 times bigger. Helsinki is shutting down schools, libraries and
>health care everywhere simply because suddenly their money is gone. We
>were supposed to get a new subway line; now there's no hope of that since
>no-one can afford a thing any more. I don't know why they say we have
>free healthcare and government-subsidized public transport, since the
>second is bloody expensive and the first you can't get.
Our government subsidises public transport to some extent, though not by much
since privatisation, but since it keeps putting up fuel tax it's still
exorbitantly expensive. This doesn't seem to have registered. Free public
health care looks increasingly limited, assuming you don't die before getting
off the waiting list.
I busted a tooth
>6 months ago and was refused treatment. "Go to a private dentist, our
>queues are 6 months long."
NHS dentists are now almost unknown in Britain; almost all are private.
Philip Bowles
Al and/or Albot
in a lot of european countries, "liberal" is used in a much more economic
context than the socio-political concept we're used to in the UK and US.
Al and/or Albot
> In article <20030522161314...@mb-m24.aol.com>, a sleeping P
> Bowles posted furiously:
> > In article <2N9za.8094$KF1.134343@amstwist00>, "Mr_No_Good"
> > <mr_no...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> > >> No we are ruled by a bunch of liberal, conservative christian
> > >> >nono's...
> > >>
> > >> Do you have any idea how illogical that sounds in English?
> > >>
> > >
> > >Not really. What's the most illogical part?
> >
> > "Liberal" and "conservative" are by definition opposing philosophies -
liberals
> > always favour increases in liberties even in free societies, while
> > conservatives want to preserve the status quo. Even in a traditionally
liberal
> > society like most in the West, liberals always want more.
>
> Absolute bollocks. American liberals are after huge decreases in
> individual liberties; they vocally campaign for gun bans and similar
> legistlation. European conservatives usually practice liberal economic
> policies and are conservative when it comes to moral issues. On the other
> hand, European socialists are despotic with economic issues and liberla
> with moral issues. Liberal conservative only holds contradictions for
> people who think they can look these things up in a dictionary.
wait a minute, you guys are discussing this as if you could actually expect
politicians to have any consistency or truely-held convictions whatsoever.
I just think that's kind of funny...
Al and/or Albot
> In article <lp7za.12014$eq2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, a
> sleeping Al and/or Albot posted furiously:
> >
> > > > politicians can all afford private health plans and their own cars.
it
> > only
> > > > becomes a problem when you take the actual population of the country
> > into
> > > > account...
> > >
> > > Do you realize that a country can't keep operating with a budget
deficit
> > > every year?
> >
> > well, I can't speak for everyone, but the UK seems to have managed for
the
> > best part of 250 years...
>
> Not really, no. Only since World War II. And look how "well" it's doing.
haha, okay. but seriously, the UK has maintained huge national debts pretty
much ever since the concept first came into being. the only reason it's
survived economically for so long - *particularly* since the second world
war - is by selling out its own industries in favour of foreign investment,
and by annually borrowing huge sums from the US (which it's been doing since
the 1920s if not earlier).
> > > What exactly is your
> > > alternative way to rescue the national economies of Western Europe, if
> > > cutbacks don't "take the actual population of the country into
account"?
> >
> > mine? I'd favour "cutbacks in population" instead.
>
> That's an interesting way of taking them into account... To be honest, I
> thought you meant that in the metaphorical sense.
no, I honestly believe that the world would be a far better place if we took
active measures to remove the most annoying, stupid and generally worthless
50% or so of its oversized population.
Al and/or Albot
like every other serious socio-economic issue, you mean?
Kurt
> On 22 May 2003 08:25:05 GMT, Kurt <kur...@nospam.optushome.com.au>
> wrote:
>>>> Blackheart, please waste this motherfucker or I will
>>>
>>> Bahahahahaha. Someone mistaking the pansy goth for a hard man is
>>> always funny.
>>>
>>"waste", it's French for "blow".
>
> run along junior
>
> and if you really feel the need to keep quoting the inbred sheep
> shagger, you can go into the killfile with him
>
> *plonk*
>
>
So you still can't keep up? Plonk anybody else and you'll turn rgmw into
the Hopson/Hwang mutual jerkfest. Although you'd probably like that.
--
K *Kill the nospam to reply*
To whom it may concern - clinical studies have shown that 89.3% of those
surveyed suggested that you might wish to try inserting a saguaro cactus
into one or more of your bodily orifices.
-- RGMW outtake
Al and/or Albot
okay, okay. the first MiG jets then - they're the only ones that made any
impression on us westerners, since I didn't even know there were pre-jet
MiGs until 10 seconds ago.
Al and/or Albot
> In article <Ql6za.10866$eq2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, a
> sleeping Al and/or Albot posted furiously:
socialist
> > state a la USSR. about the only thing they accomplished was the
formation
> > of the NHS, and that began falling to pieces not long after their term
of
> > office was over. other than that, they continued the unbroken Labour
> > tradition of vacillating pointlessly while producing astonishing amounts
of
> > nonsensical rhetoric (in which they differ from the tories only insofar
as
> > most of them can't sustain proper grammar or pronunciation while doing
so).
>
> Really? You're telling me that despite what my history books tell me,
> Attlee's government didn't nationalize the Bank of England, the coal
> mines, civil aviation, cable and wireless communications, electricity,
> gas, and the iron and steel industries? Nowhere in history bar the USSR,
> Cuba and North Korea has mankind come closer to socialism than in the UK
> under Attlee.
again, they were really just going through the inevitable motions already
dictated by the state of the immediate post-war economy. at that time,
nationalisation was the best means of sustaining an economy which was very
close to collapse in a lot of sectors.
Al and/or Albot
> In article <MPG.19376b539...@news.inet.fi>, Mikael
<mik...@ci5.gov>
> writes:
>
> >> I keep wondering if I'm missing something our government's doing right,
> >simply
> >> because I never see or hear of anyone protesting about all the
cock-ups.
> >Even
> >> the anti-war protests were levelled at Bush, as though Blair is
sacrosanct
> >for
> >> some reason.
> >
> >People here are protesting all right, but they're barking up all the
> >wrong trees. Mostly, they're blaming the civil servants for doing what
> >the politicians the protestors publicly voted for tell them to do.
>
> In Britain civil servants are supposedly protected by anonymity and their
> departments
which is why they never get anything accomplished, from my local benefits
agency right up to the cabinet advisors. I'm not going to go into detail on
my endless battles to get civil servants to do what they're supposed to be
paid to be already doing, but suffice to say that getting blood from a stone
is simple in comparison.