[40k] Alpha Legion infiltration
David Gausebeck
Marine in power armour (or Daemon armour) on foot may have the
Infiltration skill at a cost of +5 points for independent characters or
+1 point per other model. The Infiltration skill does not count toward
their maximum number of skills."
Does this allow infiltration for units that can't normally take veteran
skills? e.g. Obliterators or Possessed? The literal wording would
imply that it does...
Also, would this rule apply to Raptors, or would Raptors have to pay
the normal 3ppm for Infiltrate? Jump infantry can be "on foot" and
move like infantry if they choose, so I'd imagine that they could
infiltrate just fine on foot. I also don't see why Alpha Legion
Raptors would be worse infiltrators than the rest of the legion, but it
does seem a bit questionable to say that jump infantry qualify as a
unit "on foot".
Spack
It says Chaos Space Marine, not "all models", so it only applies to those
models that come under that heading - ie. a Chaos Space Marine troops unit
in an Alpha Legion army.
Erik Setzer
wrote:
>Alpha Legion has the special rule that "Any Alpha Legion Chaos Space
>Marine in power armour (or Daemon armour) on foot may have the
>Infiltration skill at a cost of +5 points for independent characters or
>+1 point per other model. The Infiltration skill does not count toward
>their maximum number of skills."
>
>Does this allow infiltration for units that can't normally take veteran
>skills? e.g. Obliterators or Possessed? The literal wording would
>imply that it does...
Only the models that can normally take Veteran skills, and that
doesn't include Raptors. I think there's a rule somewhere about
infiltrating with a jump pack being a no-no?
-Erik
--
Actual quote from a Tau player: "Fusion blaster up your ass. Rolling for penetration..."
David Gausebeck
"Chaos Space Marine" is used many times in C:CSM to refer to all Chaos
Space Marines, not just the members of the troops unit with that name.
e.g. "Bionics allow a Chaos Space Marine who has suffered a disabling
injury...", "Chaos Space Marines in Terminator armor are capable of
moving and firing...", "The Chaos Rhino can carry up to ten Chaos Space
Marines," etc.
It's just like the use of "Space Marine" in the SM codex -- the SM just
don't happen to also have a unit named "Space Marines".
The rule clearly does apply to non-troops Alpha Legion units like
Chosen and Chaos Havocs. However, I'm still not sure whether it
applies to Obliterators, Possessed, and/or Raptors.
David Gausebeck
> >skills? e.g. Obliterators or Possessed? The literal wording would
> >imply that it does...
>
> Only the models that can normally take Veteran skills, and that
> doesn't include Raptors. I think there's a rule somewhere about
> infiltrating with a jump pack being a no-no?
Raptors do get veteran skills -- the question is just whether they can
take Infiltrate for 1ppm instead of the normal 3ppm.
The C:CSM entry on Infiltrate doesn't exclude jump packs -- just
"Models with a bike, a Steed, Followers, Daemonic Stature, the Mark of
Khorne, or Terminator Armour". The main rulebook entry on Infiltrate
doesn't give any restrictions at all on who can use it.
Spack
OK, so ignoring the reference to Chaos Space Marines (stupid GW, yet again
messing up their statement that capitalised terms refer directly to unit
entries.
First up, "on foot" rules out Raptors.
In order for a the other 2 unit types to be allowed to take Infiltrate
they'd have to be able to take veteran skills (as it's in the Armoury under
Veteran Skills), and neither Possessed nor Obliterators may do so. All the
Alpha Legion rules are doing is reducing the cost of Infiltrate for those
units that can take it already.
Doctor Rock
"David Gausebeck" <gaus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1147771116.5...@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Does this allow infiltration for units that can't normally take veteran
> skills?
no - because their "normal maximum number of veteran skills" is zero :P
> Also, would this rule apply to Raptors, or would Raptors have to pay
> the normal 3ppm for Infiltrate?
i'd say that "infantry on foot" excludes raptors and other models with
daemonic flight - it means infantry that are on foot, period.