Watercolor Pencils, anyone used them on minnies?
Brian Lojeck
I read somewhere on the net that watercolor pencils could be put to good
use on figures, since you can draw with them, then use a damp brush to
blend the edges or blend just about anywhere.
I got some watercolor pencils immediatly...
they don't draw on paint ;-(
I've tried them dry, wet, sharp, dull, about the only time they leave a
mark is when I crush the lead against the figure, which isn't very
artistic ;-)
has anyone done this successfully?
Brian Lojeck
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Andy O'Neill
In article <Pine.SV4.3.94.97081...@mizar.usc.edu>, Brian
Lojeck <loj...@mizar.usc.edu> writes
>
>I read somewhere on the net that watercolor pencils could be put to good
>use on figures, since you can draw with them, then use a damp brush to
>blend the edges or blend just about anywhere.
>
>I got some watercolor pencils immediatly...
These are pastels?
>they don't draw on paint ;-(
If you use acrylic spray primer, and get a slightly rough finish.
Stain this with your colours rather than 'paint'. IE thin to between
paint and wash consistency.
If you're using pastels, I guess they ought to scrape off on the rough-
ish surface.
>I've tried them dry, wet, sharp, dull, about the only time they leave a
>mark is when I crush the lead against the figure, which isn't very
>artistic ;-)
>
>has anyone done this successfully?
Never tried.
Sounds like hard work.
I use indelible ink pens, but of course this isn't the effect you sound
like you're after.
Personally, I'd use inks and layer them to get a subtle effect.
Or the water mixable oils I've recently bought - they blend really well
so you can get very gentle blending.
As a modeller I used to make tanks.
Weathering on these is done in a similar way - you powder the pastels
and dust on.
Andy O'Neill
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Phillip Hartzog
On 14 Aug 1997, Brian Lojeck wrote:
> I read somewhere on the net that watercolor pencils could be put to good
> use on figures, since you can draw with them, then use a damp brush to
> blend the edges or blend just about anywhere.
>
> I got some watercolor pencils immediatly...
>
> they don't draw on paint ;-(
>
> I've tried them dry, wet, sharp, dull, about the only time they leave a
> mark is when I crush the lead against the figure, which isn't very
> artistic ;-)
>
> has anyone done this successfully?
Brian,
this doesn't sound like it would work, for the reasons several posters
have stated. however, oil pastels might [and seems like i've seen oil
pastel pencils]. we have some oil pastels [but not pencils] so i give
this a try, and report back.
Phillip
DDetmer89
Watercolor needs a soft surface to work with, something that absorbs
water. Metal is not very absorbing. I have used pastels for shadong on
large figures before, but watercolor, I don't think anyone will have good
results.
Jpattern
Brian,
I haven't used watercolor pencils on minis, but I have used them on paper.
(Well, duh!) I don't know where you read that tip, but from my experience
it would be a *lot* more trouble than it's worth. The pencils need a rough
surface (like paper), and I just don't see that on many of my minis. Not
the *good* ones anyway. :)
Unless the writer was talking about special effects: first paint the mini
as usual, then add dust, dirt, mud, etc., effects with the pencils. I do
this on armor models using pastels, but again I think it would be too
tedious on something the size of a mini. I also scrape the pastels to get
a pile of powder, and apply that to the model; I don't draw directly on
the model. And, unless the model isn't going to be handled, you've got to
"fix" the pastels with an overcoat of flat. On minis, the same effect can
be achieved more easily (and more permanently) with paints, inks, etc.
If you ever see the article again, let us know who wrote it. It sounds
intriguing, but I just don't see how it could work very well (for exactly
the reasons you gave in your post).
Jeff
Pazuzu 23
I too have tried it, but I wasn't aware that it was widely reccomended in
miniature painting circles. I just gave it a shot 'cos I had a box of the
things next to my splatter table and said, "why not?" Diddn't work at
all. I think I'll try again with a matte acrylic coat first, though.
Sounds like it just might work...
On a somewhat unrelated note, I'd like to say that those pencils are
wonderful on paper. I have so much fun drawing (painting?) with them.
They've almost got minds of their own. I *love* my aquarelles. I bow
down to them, and give them a fresh bowl of milk and honey-cakes every
day.
Iä! Iä! Watercolors Iä!
Scott
That's Nacht...@hotmail.com to you!
Or call me Pazuzu 2...@aol.com if you're silly.
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"You're making flivvers out of the absolute minimum of steel."
-Mustapha Mond
ljakus...@mailer.scu.edu
I just recently used watercolor pencils on a mini: I had a figure
holding an open book, and I used the pencil for the text and
illustration on the pages. It worked alright, but I don't know if I'll
do it again. I didn't have any adhesion problems (I use Ral Partha
paints and it's Ivory makes a dry, chalky surface suitable for drawing
on), but what I *didn't* like was the imprecision of the pencils
themselves.
Even sharpened with my best electric sharpener, the pencil lead
was huge in comparision to a fine (10/0) paint brush. I drew in the
text, and ended up with fairly thick lines; it's difficult to get fine
edges and small details that way. Also, the pencil lead was fairly
pale and chalky, so I had to go over the lines twice before wetting
them with a brush.
I'd recommend using thinned paints or inks instead (paints are
easier to cover up if you make a mistake ;^). Use the smallest
mechanical pencil you can (I use a .5 mm, but I think they make a .3
mm), and a fairly hard lead (2H at least, since graphite *really*
sticks to paint well - you don't want heavy black lines), then draw
the design you want freehand. Paint over it until you've covered the
pattern. (You may have to cover the graphite a few times...) Then
clean up any blurry edges and 'oops' with the same paint as the
background your design is on.
Works for me.
Laszlo Jakusovszky
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