Armored Car Painting Question
Murvihill
Just got to the point where I'm going to paint my Rolls Royce armored car for
WWII Desert. Any suggestions on details" Did they paint them in the Caunter
scheme? Plain "light Stone" would be fine with me as well. Also, how about
the markings?
thanks in advance,
Dave M.
Keven K Pinder
diagonally striped "camoflage" pattern. His book also contains a b&w photo
of a Rolls which looks to support that. A base color of desert sand with
irregular sharp egded sections of what appears to be dark earth and a light
gray/light blue "wedge" running upwards from just forward of the door and up
the rear of the vehicle. There is also a blue section on the turret face.
The markings would depend on the unit. 11th Hussars had them, and some of
the attached RAF Armored Car Companys had them as well. 11th Hussars were
part of thr 7th Armored Division Support Group, so I would suppose it should
have the white circle on a red square field on the front of the vehicle as
the Divisional marker, the red jerboa (desert rat) added to the center of
the circle would come sometime in 1941. Also on the front would be an "arm
of service" marking, likely a 2 digit number in white on a red square. The
numbers were jumbled regularly to keep the enemy confused so its hard to
specify an accurate number. None of the illustrations I have show a Rolls
with any squadron markings. The vehicle should have a "WD" serial number in
white above the door; the drawing's no. is F341. Regs called for
"bridging" numbers on the front as well, but one can well imagine these
being omitted in a theater so devoid of bridges.
I assume you are using Minifigs WWI Rolls. This is a tad off as the 1924
pattern Rolls was the one being used in the Western Desert, but
well,...whatever. If you have found another company making the Rolls,
pleeeeeeease let me know.
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Peter Kershaw
Thanks.
Peter
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Pockets
the desert still had em and used them untill 1941 i belive.
A few may have been run into by the Germans in Barbarossa, left-overs from
the 1915-19 British expiditionary forces taken over by the reds, often used
for border patrols. Certainly some Austins from the same period were
encountered.
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Carl Parlagreco
>
>I assume you are using Minifigs WWI Rolls. This is a tad off as the 1924
>pattern Rolls was the one being used in the Western Desert, but
>well,...whatever. If you have found another company making the Rolls,
>pleeeeeeease let me know.
>
Keven,
I've got a Rolls AC that I got from Falcon Miniatures. The guys in
Medford, MA. I don't know which pattern it is. It's a nice little
miniature, but it seems a little small to me. Then again, I've never
seen a real one, so maybe it's accurate 25mm.
The Muddy
> Bradford has an illustration of a Rolls Royce shown in a modified 3 tone
> diagonally striped "camoflage" pattern. His book also contains a b&w photo
> of a Rolls which looks to support that. A base color of desert sand with
> irregular sharp egded sections of what appears to be dark earth and a light
> gray/light blue "wedge" running upwards from just forward of the door and up
> the rear of the vehicle. There is also a blue section on the turret face.
Been looking in a few books - Bradford's Armour Camouflage & Markings,
Fletcher's Tanks in Camera, the Osprey of 7th Armoured Division,
Macksey's Beda Fomm, and Verney's The Desert Rats (guess who is on a
desert kick at the moment... :-P )
As far as I can work out all 11th Hussar Rolls were painted in the
three tone strips. Looking at pictures of the front of the vehicles
there doesn't appear to be any other markings - no 'desert rat' no arm
of service, no bridging circle.
The only marking is the WD number on the hull side.
The RAF squadron that got attached to 11th Hussars seems also to be in
Cauder (sp?) from the b&w photo I have. Their cars differ in that they
seem to have even MORE crap hanging off them and also that they all
seemed to have twin lewis guns in an AA mount in the turret top and
seem to have a vickers guns instead of the Bren in the turret. Boyes
ATR is fitted but the photo doesn't show if the smoke bomb launcher is
fitted or not. Actually looking again at the photo the turret is the
'old style' roundish one with a box sort of add on fitted to the right
side of the turret to fit the Boyes - I guess there is no smoke
launcher.
The photo shows a number 'A.125' in white on a dark square on the
front right mudguard and there is another number (WD number ?) on the
hull side but it is hard to see in the photo.
I think the question was raised if RR cars where used in the BEF in
France - as far as I know they were not. IF they were they would have
been the two tone 'dark green' irregular shapes on 'light lime sort of
green' background and the national ID patch would be a white square 12
inch by 12 inch.
Now to really confuse you the RR has been in the desert in Egypt for a
while. 5th Armoured Car Company arrived in 1929 after service in
Shanghai and was with 12th Royal Lancers before changing to 11th
Hussars. It at that stage has what the caption describes as 'silver
and black' and is light base colour with wide black wobbly edged
strips going up the sides. Markings seem to be a H.M.A. ?? (hard to
read it all - sorry) name on the side of the engine, a large 'A' on
the hull side, and a small block of text which reads
11th Huss
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M
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247
Turret is the old style closed top with the Vickers
Now before that in 1920 onwards there was 3rd Armoured Car Company
also with RR cars. Now they seemed to mainly drive around Alexandria
and Cario for internal security duties. These cars seem to be a dark
green colour (b&w photo - I am guessing but it is a 'dark' one tone -
dark stone is another guess) and the only markings seem to be R.T.C in
an oval and a number (214) in white on the hull side.
The test states that the chassis of the WW1 cars were wearing out and
new chassis were sent out from Britain onto which the old bodies were
transferred. I guess this is why the photos of the 3rd Armoured Car
vehicles have one photo with wire spoked wheels and a later photo with
'solid' spokes.
Appart from that I don't really know that much about the varies
'patterns' of RR cars. The 11th Hussar cars in WW2 did have an open
topped box like turret with Boyes, Bren and 2inch smoke launcher
fitted but that is all I know.
Hope this some of this is of use to you anyway.
Craig
Andy O'Neill
Keven K Pinder <k.pi...@worldnet.att.net> writes
>Bradford has an illustration of a Rolls Royce shown in a modified 3 tone
>diagonally striped "camoflage" pattern. His book also contains a b&w photo
>of a Rolls which looks to support that. A base color of desert sand with
>irregular sharp egded sections of what appears to be dark earth and a light
>gray/light blue "wedge" running upwards from just forward of the door and up
>the rear of the vehicle. There is also a blue section on the turret face.
This is the Caulter pattern.
The "dark earth" is so dark it could easy be either dark grey or faded
black.
>The markings would depend on the unit. 11th Hussars had them, and some of
>the attached RAF Armored Car Companys had them as well. 11th Hussars were
>part of thr 7th Armored Division Support Group, so I would suppose it should
>have the white circle on a red square field on the front of the vehicle as
>the Divisional marker, the red jerboa (desert rat) added to the center of
>the circle would come sometime in 1941. Also on the front would be an "arm
>of service" marking, likely a 2 digit number in white on a red square.
This'd be the full official markings as per Bradford.
However.
There are a number of pictures clearly show either no markings at all on
front of them or just a painted registration number on the front right
(driver's side) mud guard.
Jerboa was perhaps a bit late for these A/Cs
Tanks in camera is worth a browse.
<<
>>
> The vehicle should have a "WD" serial number in
>white above the
This appears to be just on the left hand side.
The passenger side on British vehicles.
>door; the drawing's no. is F341. Regs called for
>"bridging" numbers on the front as well, but one can well imagine these
>being omitted in a theater so devoid of bridges.
They're clearly missing from pictures.
Andy O'Neill
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AFisherJr
>>white above the
Does anyone know what "WD" stands for?
Al Fisher
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estarriol
<afis...@aol.com> writes
>>The vehicle should have a "WD" serial number in
>>>white above the
>
>Does anyone know what "WD" stands for?
>Al Fisher
:) It stands for War Department, sometimes WD was omitted and an upwards
facing arrow used, as that was also the WD mark.
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> pattern Rolls was the one being used in the Western Desert, but
> well,...whatever. If you have found another company making the Rolls,
> pleeeeeeease let me know.
>
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