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markthree

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Nov 19, 2005, 9:40:56 AM11/19/05
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I am looking for a brush on primer especially now that it is getting
colder. Does any one know of a brush on primer or can I dilute and use
a regular acrylic black paint like the cheap Wal Mart Apple Barrel
black? Any advise would be appreciated.
TIA!

Irving Horowitz

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Nov 19, 2005, 12:44:31 PM11/19/05
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"markthree" <sande...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Lately I've been priming/undercoating with thinned Testor's Pla Enamel Flat
Black. The enamel seems to stick to metal better than acrylic does. The
stuff stinks, it's toxic and it's not cheap. :-{(


baddaski

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Nov 20, 2005, 12:48:38 AM11/20/05
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Hi!

Try artists Gesso. It's pronounced "Jesso" so you don't appear to be a
noob when asking for it. Artists use it to prime their canvas.

Bob

Robert Singers

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Nov 20, 2005, 5:47:41 AM11/20/05
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Between saving the world and having a spot of tea markthree said

> I am looking for a brush on primer especially now that it is getting
> colder.

I believe GW still does their Smelly Primer.

> Does any one know of a brush on primer or can I dilute and use
> a regular acrylic black paint like the cheap Wal Mart Apple Barrel
> black? Any advise would be appreciated.

Why would you dilute it?

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markthree

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Nov 20, 2005, 8:46:00 AM11/20/05
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I did not know if you brushed it on if it would be to thick so if it
was diluted down then maybe that would work better to prime the figure.

Robert Singers

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Nov 21, 2005, 5:46:07 AM11/21/05
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Between saving the world and having a spot of tea markthree said

> I did not know if you brushed it on if it would be to thick so if it


> was diluted down then maybe that would work better to prime the figure.

A primer works to give the surface better "tooth" and sometimes to reduce
the potential for oxidation with metal surfaces. On plastic they're
designed to reduce the number of coats needed to change from the base
colour.

Applying a base coat of paint isn't the same as priming. I'm still not
sure what you thing using a watered down base coat will achieve.

If you don't have access to a purpose made brush on primer make sure your
minis are very clean and then simply base coat with paint liquid enough to
give you a good smooth even coverage.

estarriol

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Nov 21, 2005, 6:00:30 AM11/21/05
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"Robert Singers" <rsin...@finger.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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When painting on an undercoat/primer I use black matt enamel. Use enough
white spirit to get it to a smooth thin but covering coat.

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Robert Singers

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Nov 21, 2005, 5:42:36 PM11/21/05
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Between saving the world and having a spot of tea estarriol said

> When painting on an undercoat/primer I use black matt enamel. Use enough
> white spirit to get it to a smooth thin but covering coat.

Probably effective on metal. I'd test on sprue before I used it on
plastics.

Quid Veritas

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Nov 24, 2005, 2:14:21 AM11/24/05
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I still use the Armory Grey and White Primers for metal.

My son likes the black or dark grey Krylon Spray Can Primer or Auto
Primers. He has won 6 or 8 painting competitions this past year using
figs primed this way so I guess you can get good results with some
practice or if you know what you are doing.

Personally, I think there's something morally wrong with painting
figures with a spray can -- guess it goes back to the old spray painted
Napoleonics days.

mjc

Quid Veritas

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Nov 24, 2005, 2:19:33 AM11/24/05
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baddaski wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Try artists Gesso. It's pronounced "Jesso" so you don't appear to be a
> noob when asking for it. Artists use it to prime their canvas.


Is this Gesso stuff pretty flexible after you put it on a canvas or does
it tend to stiffen the canvas?

I use canvas for my playing surface now and have had a little trouble
with paint flaking on a corner of one of my canvases. I used and
exterior acrylic house paint with some stuff (can't remember what it's
called right now) that extended the coverage area of the paint (also
acts just like Scotch Guard and repels spilled coke). With the
exception of that one corner, this gave me a nice result.

mjc

MiniatureWargaming dot Com

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Dec 2, 2005, 10:21:25 AM12/2/05
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Gesso. You can get it in white, black or grey. It is amazing stuff. Buy
it at a big box craft store like Michael's or JoAnne

Myrmidon

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Dec 8, 2005, 1:40:04 AM12/8/05
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In article <8Qdhf.1800$Bj1....@news.uswest.net>, Quid Veritas,
quidveri...@qwest.net Varfed out the following in Timo speak...

>
>
> baddaski wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > Try artists Gesso. It's pronounced "Jesso" so you don't appear to be a
> > noob when asking for it. Artists use it to prime their canvas.
>
>
> Is this Gesso stuff pretty flexible after you put it on a canvas or does
> it tend to stiffen the canvas?
>
Gesso is basically acrylic paint without any of the (expensive)
colored pigments added into it. It's flexible when dry to the same
degree that typical acrylic paint is.

> I use canvas for my playing surface now and have had a little trouble
> with paint flaking on a corner of one of my canvases. I used and
> exterior acrylic house paint with some stuff (can't remember what it's
> called right now) that extended the coverage area of the paint (also
> acts just like Scotch Guard and repels spilled coke). With the
> exception of that one corner, this gave me a nice result.

As other have pointed out, Gesso comes in a variety of shades -
white/gray/black or even tan. It can be easily tinted with inexpensive
acrylic paints. In general Gesso is used as a ground on canvas for oil
painting as oil paints actually eat and destroy unprotected canvas with
long term exposure. I use Gesso as a base coat for (EPS) foam hills and
other terrain before painting, and since it's acrylic, one can use just
about any painting (including solvent based spray paints) over it as
long as the surface is well sealed. I tend to use a pair of rubber
gloves and a natural sponge to apply it to rough surfaces.

Hope that helps,

Myrmidon


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