WoB
NeonJesus
How annoying... when I post big replies to messages, they occasionally
don't appear...
On to the subject. Does anybody out there like Word of Blake besides
Clanners who like the distraction they cause? I mean atually like them
as a group? I think they're idiots[1], but I'd like to hear
differently.
Whee, my first footnotes...
[1]=Except for their very competent Precentol Martial Trent Arian...
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Actually, I don't mind those loony WoBers, even if their mentality of
everything good (even quotes-read "Bred for War") gets annoying after a
while.
I guess they're the same as Comstar with Waterly at the helm, hide
everything from the outside, wait for the Inner Sphere and Clans to roll
over and die so WoB could reunite them...but since they have 75% of ROM,
they're nothing to laught about. As for the instances where they love
Marik enough to "open mail for him" (once again, "Bred for War"), I don't
know if I'm worried or glad they're on my side...
Canteen Boy (a League-er, as you can tell)
"Rat-tat-tat, Ka-boom-boom,
Now take that, and just a little bit of this!"
x.y.u.(Smashing Pumpkins)
direp...@aol.com
>On to the subject. Does anybody out there like Word of Blake besides
>Clanners who like the distraction they cause? I mean atually like them
>as a group?
Well, here's my take on WoB:
WoB = comedic relief
pretty simple
~the Dire Phoenix
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"...you burned me out, but I'm back at you door/ Like Joan of arc comin
back for more...
I came to rip you up, came to smash you down, I came around to tear your
little world apart...and break your soul apart..." -Garbage "Vow"
Robert, The Evil One, And The Dark Lord Of Cupcakes
I would think word of blake is a little more than comic relief
but not much more
they are just a bunch of people that won't accept the new comstar
they belive that praying to the machines just to keep it working
that is funny
taking terra away from comstar
that was not funny
Precentor Marital Focht made the right decsion in not taking earth back
let the WOB fight the clans we they invade earth
that is funny
FOR THE ETERNAL GLORY OF COMSTAR
Robert
thou
s feaI WOU
Jon Goff
direp...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >On to the subject. Does anybody out there like Word of Blake besides
> >Clanners who like the distraction they cause? I mean atually like them
> >as a group?
>
> Well, here's my take on WoB:
> WoB = comedic relief
Hey, I'm a Clanner, and my take on the WoBlies is such
WoBlies = Target Practice.
They are worse than cappellans. Heck, it is only the actually ruling
family that is messed, and that is all genetical. We can fix that
though ...... ;)
Jk Camille
~Star Colonel Travis Andrews of Clan Steel Viper
Jon Ivars
On 13 Jan 1997 rjc...@vaxb.isc.rit.edu wrote:
> In article <19970113062...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, direp...@aol.com writes:
> I would think word of blake is a little more than comic relief
> but not much more
> they are just a bunch of people that won't accept the new comstar
> they belive that praying to the machines just to keep it working
> that is funny
That's devotion you know.
> taking terra away from comstar
> that was not funny
Hey, that was...tragicomic!
> Precentor Marital Focht made the right decsion in not taking earth back
> let the WOB fight the clans we they invade earth
> that is funny
That was dumb and dumber.
Messenger: The WoB has taken Terra!
Focht: That was only to be expected, now let's leave those psychos alone
with all our mech factories. It's not like we need any rebuilding after
Tukayyid, is it? If we just ignore them they won't cause any more trouble.
> FOR THE ETERNAL GLORY OF COMSTAR
Now that was damn funny. Dying for a lost cause. After the FRR is
fully occupied there won't be any ComStar left. Only them WoBblies.
Star Captain Jon 'Gauss Bear' Ivars #_#
Http://www.abo.fi/~jivars/gb.htm o~^O^~o
Gawd! My sigs are getting smaller?! _/^\_
Jon Ivars
On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, NeonJesus wrote:
> How annoying... when I post big replies to messages, they occasionally
> don't appear...
> On to the subject. Does anybody out there like Word of Blake besides
> Clanners who like the distraction they cause? I mean atually like them
> as a group? I think they're idiots[1], but I'd like to hear
> differently.
Umm, besides Clanners..that includes me right?
Still, don't judge them too harshly. Some of them are hardcore fanatics,
true. But many are moderate and honorable who simply can't stand the new
ComStar for various reasons. Most of these have to do with doctrine.
Some simply think the new ComStar leaders were Inner Sphere moles
(partially true) who betrayed them. And some are simply outraged at some
of their actions like Focht knocking off Primus Waterly and then
calling it a heart attack.
> Whee, my first footnotes...
> [1]=Except for their very competent Precentol Martial Trent Arian...
*Snort* You call him competent after Gibson? I would call him
unimaginative and going by the book. Of course, in some armies that's
exactly what they are looking for!
Jason Stadnyk
On 13 Jan 1997 17:16:52 GMT, rjc...@vaxb.isc.rit.edu (Robert, The
Evil One, And The Dark Lord Of Cupcakes) wrote:
>In article <19970113062...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, direp...@aol.com writes:
>>>On to the subject. Does anybody out there like Word of Blake besides
>>>Clanners who like the distraction they cause? I mean atually like them
>>>as a group?
>>
>>Well, here's my take on WoB:
>> WoB = comedic relief
>I would think word of blake is a little more than comic relief
>but not much more
>
>they are just a bunch of people that won't accept the new comstar
>they belive that praying to the machines just to keep it working
>that is funny
hey, I would like to see a show of hands.....
when your vehicle has begun to make strange noises, who has said...
please don't stall
or to rephrase it
how many people threat their machines like their alive, or talk to it
at least. that's the diff between COMSTAR and WoB.
I like the "Ideal War" explaination. They know the machinery will
work, they just feel they wish to treat it with respect.
now I admit that Waterly was completely loonie and twisted, but don't
group her insanity with WoB, they split over a change of ideals, not
in spite of Waterly's execution(Although that might have had an
effect)
>
>taking terra away from comstar
>that was not funny
>
>Precentor Marital Focht made the right decsion in not taking earth back
>let the WOB fight the clans we they invade earth
>that is funny
well if that happens, Comstar will be toast anyway cause the clans
would have already chewed them up;)
now I might not be a WoB lover, but I'm a true Leaguer and can hardly
wait for the FWL Field Guide, and with Terra conquered, we should get
some new niffty warships<g>
William E. Ward
In article <32dd8a29...@nntp.usask.ca>,
ROM REPORT/ACTION ORDER: Recruit or Neutralize Jason Stadnyk,
(check nntp.usask.ca) for use as WOB Public Relations.
If subject not recruited, neutralize. Deep Cover is not to be
exposed. Subject is living in Canada District, North America, Terra,
and should be found easily. If subject continues with FWL ties,
neutralize. Subject is dangerous, presumed armed. Prior to use
as agent, insure subject goes through full indoctrination/reeducation.
Authentication: Rho-Aleph, 472. code: hYsk197R-01093058-16:31 Standard
--
William Ward
The Rare Mech Times
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Issue #2 http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/2781/
NeonJesus
David The CyberGuineaPig Jacobs wrote:
>
> NeonJesus <dpol...@isd.net> screamed from the bowels of the earth:
>
> >How annoying... when I post big replies to messages, they occasionally
> >don't appear...
> >Clanners who like the distraction they cause? I mean atually like them
> >differently.
>
> traitor bastard Focht is. Remember, they fought on Tukayyid, lost
> their lives and their 'Mechs, then had the rugs pulled out from under
> them by Focht and his puppet Primus. They're the loyal ComStar of
> old, of course they seem batty.
"Focht and his puppet Primus" didn't betray the Com Guard at all...
Let's see, who's the traitor, the general who honorably leads them to
victory over an unbeatable foe, or the distant schemer who makes peace
with those who want to take Terra?
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Jon Ivars
On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Jason Stadnyk wrote:
> On 13 Jan 1997 17:16:52 GMT, rjc...@vaxb.isc.rit.edu (Robert, The
> Evil One, And The Dark Lord Of Cupcakes) wrote:
> >In article <19970113062...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, direp...@aol.com writes:
> hey, I would like to see a show of hands.....
>
> when your vehicle has begun to make strange noises, who has said...
> please don't stall
> or to rephrase it
> how many people threat their machines like their alive, or talk to it
> at least. that's the diff between COMSTAR and WoB.
I do this every time when the server lags (I log in to my home
university since Hull uni doesn't carry newsgroups).
I sit on the chair, try to get some response from the keyboard and
finally I lean back and frustradedly tap my fingers on the table while
thinking: Damn, get a move on, I've got e-mails to write.
After half a minute the tone is more desperate: Please don't break the
connection! Please DON'T!
And when the connection finally breaks I feel oddly reliefed: Ah, now I
can try something else, like pinging to see if it's up again.
I like to think this is not so much a matter of talking to the computer
but more like wenting my frustration or just doing something.
Of course, with AI's this might change. ;)
> I like the "Ideal War" explaination. They know the machinery
will > work, they just feel they wish to treat it with respect.
>
> now I admit that Waterly was completely loonie and twisted, but don't
> group her insanity with WoB, they split over a change of ideals, not
> in spite of Waterly's execution(Although that might have had an
> effect)
As I said, mainly a question of doctrine. Waterly's death was just listed
as a contributing factor.
> now I might not be a WoB lover, but I'm a true Leaguer and can hardly
> wait for the FWL Field Guide, and with Terra conquered, we should get
> some new niffty warships<g>
You'll have to wait a bit. ComStar still possesses the Jupiter (or was it
Saturn?) ship yards. WoB controls the inner planets of the solar system
but not the outer ones.
Star Captain Oliver
Jon Ivars wrote:
> > I would think word of blake is a little more than comic relief
> > but not much more
>
> > they are just a bunch of people that won't accept the new comstar
> > they belive that praying to the machines just to keep it working
> > that is funny
>
> That's devotion you know.
Comstar are blasphemers. WoB are the true followers of Blake like
Comstar was before. B-)
> > taking terra away from comstar
> > that was not funny
>
> Hey, that was...tragicomic!
BTW Why did Comstar use so much force to defend Terra from clans, but
used so little force to defend it from WoB?
> > Precentor Marital Focht made the right decsion in not taking earth back
> > let the WOB fight the clans we they invade earth
> > that is funny
>
> That was dumb and dumber.
> Messenger: The WoB has taken Terra!
> Focht: That was only to be expected, now let's leave those psychos alone
> with all our mech factories. It's not like we need any rebuilding after
> Tukayyid, is it? If we just ignore them they won't cause any more trouble.
I think Focht is going senile too.
Comstar still has something like 50 regiments though.
> > FOR THE ETERNAL GLORY OF COMSTAR
>
> Now that was damn funny. Dying for a lost cause. After the FRR is
> fully occupied there won't be any ComStar left. Only them WoBblies.
CGB should annihilate the 50 comstar regiments and show other clans
that they are not cowards that are afraid of big battles. Maybe then
there could be a Ghost Bear ilkhan and CGB could have a chance of
becoming ilclan. The next ilkhan is going to have to order you bears
to fight, if you do not start doing your share of the invasion.
~Star Captain Oliver of Clan Smoke Jaguar
John M Atkinson
ab...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Jason Stadnyk) wrote:
>On 13 Jan 1997 17:16:52 GMT, rjc...@vaxb.isc.rit.edu (Robert, The
>Evil One, And The Dark Lord Of Cupcakes) wrote:
>
>>In article <19970113062...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, direp...@aol.com writes:
>>>>Clanners who like the distraction they cause? I mean atually like them
>>>>as a group?
>>>
>>> WoB = comedic relief
>
>>but not much more
>>
>>they are just a bunch of people that won't accept the new comstar
>>they belive that praying to the machines just to keep it working
>>that is funny
>
>when your vehicle has begun to make strange noises, who has said...
>please don't stall
>
>or to rephrase it
>how many people threat their machines like their alive, or talk to it
>at least. that's the diff between COMSTAR and WoB.
Being a complete technical incompetent, I generally sacrifice a chicken to
get my computor to start, a horse when I get an error message, and a virgin
when the system crashes. And that's no small trick, finding a virgin on a
college campus.
--
John M. Atkinson
jatk...@gmu.edu
Lacking a muse, my Mauser must be my thunderbolt
-Lt. Backsight Forethought
David The CyberGuineaPig Jacobs
NeonJesus <dpol...@isd.net> screamed from the bowels of the earth:
>How annoying... when I post big replies to messages, they occasionally
>don't appear...
>On to the subject. Does anybody out there like Word of Blake besides
>Clanners who like the distraction they cause? I mean atually like them
>as a group? I think they're idiots[1], but I'd like to hear
>differently.
I quite like em, really. Sure, they're mad, but no more than that
traitor bastard Focht is. Remember, they fought on Tukayyid, lost
their lives and their 'Mechs, then had the rugs pulled out from under
them by Focht and his puppet Primus. They're the loyal ComStar of
old, of course they seem batty.
Jon Ivars
On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Star Captain Oliver wrote:
> Jon Ivars wrote:
> I think Focht is going senile too.
> Comstar still has something like 50 regiments though.
He lost around 2/3 of his forces on Tukayyid which made it just under
50. Unfortunately many defected to the WoB reducing it even more.
The Terran factories made up for some of these losses but then the WoB
invaded the solar system. Not only did ComStar lose their factories but
also the defending ground forces.
So my estimate would be that his current forces numbers about 40-45 combined
arms regiments. Still quite a lot but no big worry for us clansmen, eh
Oliver?
> CGB should annihilate the 50 comstar regiments and show other clans
> that they are not cowards that are afraid of big battles. Maybe then
> there could be a Ghost Bear ilkhan and CGB could have a chance of
> becoming ilclan. The next ilkhan is going to have to order you bears
> to fight, if you do not start doing your share of the invasion.
I tell you this, when the invasion resumes all that will remain of
ComStar after the Bears have occupied the rest of Rasalhague is its *ptui*
civilian communications side. And even that might have been absorbed by
the corrupt houses.
Star Captain Oliver
Jon Ivars wrote:
> He lost around 2/3 of his forces on Tukayyid which made it just under
> 50. Unfortunately many defected to the WoB reducing it even more.
> The Terran factories made up for some of these losses but then the WoB
> invaded the solar system. Not only did ComStar lose their factories but
> also the defending ground forces.
Comstar should still be getting considerable income from their
communications business. And Comstar still has secrets to sell to
the successor states. So Comstar should be able to buy stuff
from FC or DC. They could also build new factories. How long does
it take to build a mech factory anyway?
> So my estimate would be that his current forces numbers about 40-45 combined
> arms regiments. Still quite a lot but no big worry for us clansmen, eh
> Oliver?
We will just have to see if Focht goes senile enough to concentrate all
of them on Tukayyid. B-)
I am sure second battle of Tukayyid would go differently now that we
do not have a traitor as an ilkhan any more. Combined clan effort would
be required and we need a powerful ilkhan who can lead us to victory.
> I tell you this, when the invasion resumes all that will remain of
> ComStar after the Bears have occupied the rest of Rasalhague is its *ptui*
> civilian communications side. And even that might have been absorbed by
> the corrupt houses.
That is good to hear. Maybe CGB should be granted the honor of
annihilating Comguards without other clans' help. CSJ can proceed
through DC and JCF could go through LA. CNC can invade Outworlds
Alliance while CSV kicks wolves out of the IS. B-)
Jon Ivars
On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Star Captain Oliver wrote:
> Comstar should still be getting considerable income from their
> communications business. And Comstar still has secrets to sell to
> the successor states. So Comstar should be able to buy stuff
> from FC or DC. They could also build new factories. How long does
> it take to build a mech factory anyway?
Our monitoring of spheroid signals seems to indicate ComStar is in
financial trouble. After Focht took over ComStar (in the aftermath of
Waterley's failed conspiracy) he cut the HPG transmission prices as a
gesture of goodwill towards the successor houses. After losing the FWL
market (and soon the CC market too) profits tumbled. Having to pay huge
sums for maintaining the ComGuards leaves barely enough to maintain the
HPG stations. Focht even had to get Kuritan funding to keep up Explorer
Corps activity. Though the Kuritans cooperate closely with ComStar they
too have been hit hard financially by our invasion. They will therefore
only aid ComStar to a certain limit. Giving military materiel to ComStar
might be too costly considering that Theodore is trying to rebuild the
DSMS to pre invasion strength. A task in which he has a long way to go
due to the crushing losses inflicted mainly by your clan on the DCMS.
Katrina Steiner who now rules the Lyran half of the FC is more than aware
of the close ties between Comstar and Kurita (The Kuritan forces in the
Lyon's thumb must be especially galling). Even worse is the good
relations between Focht and her hated brother Victor. Coupled with the
Lyrans currently insular mood I don't think she will feel like helping
ComStar. The Davion half of the FC would very much like to help ComStar
but due to the surprise FWL/CC offensive he now needs all the military
resources he can get for a counter offensive. Victor's decision to leave
FC troops on the border of the CSV and CJF zone only means his currentl
lack of trops is excarbated. This more or less leaves the FRR as the sole
provider of military equipment for the ComGuards. And with the few
resources the FRR has left it can't offer much. Building a factory could
alleviate the situation. Unfortunately a mech factory will take three years
at least to build from scratch even with Star League era technology to help.
Bringing it up to full speed would take another year. So if they began
building one immediately after Terra fell I would think they would have
their first production line up to speed in 3062. Add another year for
every other mech line opened. If they tried to build an omnimech factory
I would add another year. Another year if they try to produce Clan weaponry
(which would likely result in a factory plagued with production problems).
Hmm, a new factory like that could become a strategic asset for the Clan
that captures it. So let's hope ComStar builds one then (if ComStar can
afford one).
> We will just have to see if Focht goes senile enough to concentrate all
> of them on Tukayyid. B-)
> I am sure second battle of Tukayyid would go differently now that we
> do not have a traitor as an ilkhan any more. Combined clan effort would
> be required and we need a powerful ilkhan who can lead us to victory.
Our signals intelligence seems to indicate he has spread his forces out
on every remaining FRR world. He does have a mobile reserve though (we
think it is the OpFor 'Invader Galaxy' unit). Every world would still be
hard nut to crack considering the ComGuards and FRR army have had plenty of
time to dig in and prepare. Something equivalent in strength (or slightly
larger) to an FC RCT can be expected on each world.
> That is good to hear. Maybe CGB should be granted the honor of
> annihilating Comguards without other clans' help. CSJ can proceed
> through DC and JCF could go through LA. CNC can invade Outworlds
> Alliance while CSV kicks wolves out of the IS. B-)
As much as it pains me to admit, I don't think CGB can prevent Clan Wolf
from participating in the drive through the FRR. And I don't think there
will be a new Tukayyid except maybe on the last FRR world where the
remnants of the ComGuards and FRR armies are likely to converge for a
last stand.
Gianni Liburdi
Star Captain Oliver wrote:
>
> I am sure second battle of Tukayyid would go differently now that we
> do not have a traitor as an ilkhan any more.
In denial, Star Captain? If your read the third book of the Kerensky
Trilogy, it clearly has the Ilkhan expressing his disappointment at the
shameful underbidding being undertaken by the other khans who didn't
respect the Com Guard threat. Urlic also warned against burning through
supplies to quickly, but many crusaders also ignored him on that count too.
And let's not forget how underpowered all those ammo-heavy clan mechs became
when their supply lines started to go up in smoke. Even if the other clans
decided to ignore the task of adequately guarding their supplies, with CGB
being the only one able to recover and correct this mistake, the ilkhan made
sure that his clan was not going to be so foolish.
> That is good to hear. Maybe CGB should be granted the honor of
> annihilating Comguards without other clans' help. CSJ can proceed
> through DC and JCF could go through LA. CNC can invade Outworlds
> Alliance while CSV kicks wolves out of the IS. B-)
Uh huh, like the 3 or 4 galaxies of CGB are really going to be enough to
wipe out the entire Com Guards. Get real.
Then again, you can't be too grounded in reality if you think that CNC is
going to go hit the Outworlds Alliance while the other clans race for Terra.
Maybe it would be best if I just didn't pay any attention to a CSJ fanatic
such as yourself. I guess you won't be buying Mechwarrior 3, eh? :)
BTW, sorry to hear about Tau Galaxy. ;)
Gianni Liburdi
"Save time. Agree with me."-Lucy
Star Captain Oliver
Gianni Liburdi wrote:
> In denial, Star Captain? If your read the third book of the Kerensky
> Trilogy, it clearly has the Ilkhan expressing his disappointment at the
> shameful underbidding being undertaken by the other khans who didn't
> respect the Com Guard threat.
I am sure that is what he told the other khans. And later Ulric laughed
behind their backs.
> Urlic also warned against burning through
> supplies to quickly, but many crusaders also ignored him on that count too.
> And let's not forget how underpowered all those ammo-heavy clan mechs became
> when their supply lines started to go up in smoke. Even if the other clans
> decided to ignore the task of adequately guarding their supplies, with CGB
> being the only one able to recover and correct this mistake, the ilkhan made
> sure that his clan was not going to be so foolish.
Wolves won their battle because Comguards had nothing to gain by
beating the wolves. Comguards had already taken heavy damage and did
not want to fight unnecessarily. CGB won because they only had to
fight their own opponents. But because of CGB's cowardly behaviour CJF
had to fight both their own and CGB's opponents. This created the
domino effect and comguards were able to concentrate their forces
against one clan at a time. Smoke Jaguars did their duty by fighting
to the end despite of Ulric's orders that had split CSJ forces.
Smoke Jaguar determination gave CGB a chance to become ilclan but
they blew it. Without Ulric's treacherous orders CJS would have
raced to take Clan Wolf's objectives too. And that would have
happened even before wolves had landed on Tukayyid.
> Uh huh, like the 3 or 4 galaxies of CGB are really going to be enough to
> wipe out the entire Com Guards. Get real.
It would certainly be an achievement that would prove their
worthiness after their cowardly behaviour on Tukayyid.
> Then again, you can't be too grounded in reality if you think that CNC is
> going to go hit the Outworlds Alliance while the other clans race for Terra.
> Maybe it would be best if I just didn't pay any attention to a CSJ fanatic
> such as yourself. I guess you won't be buying Mechwarrior 3, eh? :)
CNC did not earn their position as an invading clan. Ulric ordered
CNC and CSV into the IS just to distract the two clans he feared and
envied the most - CSJ and CJF.
> BTW, sorry to hear about Tau Galaxy. ;)
What are you talking about?
Robert, The Evil One, And The Dark Lord Of Cupcakes
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970117...@aton.abo.fi>, Jon Ivars <jiv...@aton.abo.fi> writes:
>On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Star Captain Oliver wrote:
>> Jon Ivars wrote:
>
>> I think Focht is going senile too.
>> Comstar still has something like 50 regiments though.
>
>50. Unfortunately many defected to the WoB reducing it even more.
>The Terran factories made up for some of these losses but then the WoB
>invaded the solar system. Not only did ComStar lose their factories but
>also the defending ground forces.
>arms regiments. Still quite a lot but no big worry for us clansmen, eh
>Oliver?
>
>> that they are not cowards that are afraid of big battles. Maybe then
>> there could be a Ghost Bear ilkhan and CGB could have a chance of
>> becoming ilclan. The next ilkhan is going to have to order you bears
>> to fight, if you do not start doing your share of the invasion.
>
>ComStar after the Bears have occupied the rest of Rasalhague is its *ptui*
>civilian communications side. And even that might have been absorbed by
>the corrupt houses.
>
>Http://www.abo.fi/~jivars/gb.htm o~^O^~o
>Gawd! My sigs are getting smaller?! _/^\_
I don't think that your TEDDY BEARS, oh excuse me GHOST BEARS, will annihilate
the ComGuard. ComStar Communications will never be absorbed by the IS States.
Wioth Precentor Martial Facht leading us, victory will be ours. As long as one
man still stands victory will be ours, as long as there is one drop of comstar
blood let VICTORY WILL BE OURS.
COMSTAR WILL NEVER FALL THE THE CHILDREN OF KERENENSKY. TO THE EXTERNAL GLORY
OF COMSTAR...
Robert
the evil one
and the dark lord of cupcakes
srt
jon selbo
Star Captain Oliver (h11...@cs.tut.fi) spewed forth:
: Comstar should still be getting considerable income from their
: communications business. And Comstar still has secrets to sell to
: the successor states. So Comstar should be able to buy stuff
: from FC or DC. They could also build new factories. How long does
: it take to build a mech factory anyway?
Depends on what you wanna build eh there squid captin
: We will just have to see if Focht goes senile enough to concentrate all
: of them on Tukayyid. B-)
: I am sure second battle of Tukayyid would go differently now that we
: do not have a traitor as an ilkhan any more. Combined clan effort would
: be required and we need a powerful ilkhan who can lead us to victory.
Arr I just luvit when them clammers rewrite history.
: > I tell you this, when the invasion resumes all that will remain of
: > ComStar after the Bears have occupied the rest of Rasalhague is its *ptui*
: > civilian communications side. And even that might have been absorbed by
: > the corrupt houses.
me thinks ye be not writtin the novels now would ye be?
: That is good to hear. Maybe CGB should be granted the honor of
: annihilating Comguards without other clans' help. CSJ can proceed
: through DC and JCF could go through LA. CNC can invade Outworlds
: Alliance while CSV kicks wolves out of the IS. B-)
Ye not be the man you think you be now clammer. Go home to your nice
warm birth canister and give ma a hug why don't ya.
: ~Star Captain Oliver of Clan Smoke Jaguar
:)
Bunsin
calvin chia-wen chang
> : That is good to hear. Maybe CGB should be granted the honor of
> : annihilating Comguards without other clans' help. CSJ can proceed
> : through DC and JCF could go through LA. CNC can invade Outworlds
> : Alliance while CSV kicks wolves out of the IS. B-)
Cool, CNC is solama now?
CSJ go though DC? i doubt it.
CJF go though LA? they have to go though CW first.
CSV? they are going to terra dude.
Jon Goff
Jon Ivars wrote:
> > In article <19970113062...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, direp...@aol.com writes:
<You guys said some stuff>
> > Precentor Marital Focht made the right decsion in not taking earth back
> > let the WOB fight the clans we they invade earth
> > that is funny
>
> That was dumb and dumber.
> Messenger: The WoB has taken Terra!
> Focht: That was only to be expected, now let's leave those psychos alone
> with all our mech factories.
Except that certain computer virus lockouts seem to be making all those
high tech fully automated factories practically useless. Plus, there is
still at least a regiment of Comguards still on planet, they have just
"gone to ground."
> It's not like we need any rebuilding after
> Tukayyid, is it? If we just ignore them they won't cause any more
> trouble.
They have had nearly six years to rebuild (3058-3052 = 6). They could
always use the additional mechs, but with the factories locked down, it
does the Woblies no good, and an attack on Terra would be suicidal for
Comstar. Inbetween the orbital defenses, the 5 woblie divisions (mauled
but ready) and any marik/merc troops, Comstar would have its hands full,
and for what? To hand it over to some arseholio like SCOliver? Sounds
rather intellegent to me...
~SCTravis of CSV
A Clanner that would gladly use WoBlies as target practice (has done so
in the past too....)
Jon Ivars
On 16 Jan 1997, John M Atkinson wrote:
> ab...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Jason Stadnyk) wrote:
> >On 13 Jan 1997 17:16:52 GMT, rjc...@vaxb.isc.rit.edu (Robert, The
> >>In article <19970113062...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, direp...@aol.com writes:
> get my computor to start, a horse when I get an error message, and a virgin
> when the system crashes. And that's no small trick, finding a virgin on a
> college campus.
I hope that you mean sacrificing their virginity. While the animals are
not usually illegal (but quite expensive) to sacrifice, a human being is.
BTW is that a male or female virgin? Or is it an equal sex opportunity?
Jon Ivars
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Star Captain Oliver wrote:
> Gianni Liburdi wrote:
> Wolves won their battle because Comguards had nothing to gain by
> beating the wolves. Comguards had already taken heavy damage and did
> not want to fight unnecessarily. CGB won because they only had to
> fight their own opponents. But because of CGB's cowardly behaviour CJF
> had to fight both their own and CGB's opponents. This created the
> domino effect and comguards were able to concentrate their forces
> against one clan at a time. Smoke Jaguars did their duty by fighting
> to the end despite of Ulric's orders that had split CSJ forces.
> Smoke Jaguar determination gave CGB a chance to become ilclan but
> they blew it.
While I do not want to appear ungrateful for the alleged opportunity your
Clan gave my Clan I would like to point out that long before Clan Ghost
Bear withdrew your Clan had already left Tukayyid. It is true we only had
to fight the ComGuard units originally assigned to our sector. But if we
had stayed on we would have been the ones to face troops from another sector.
And we would have lost all we had gained for nothing. Even we had held on
long enough to have allowed Clan Jade Falcon to reach one of their
targets it would not have been enough. Precentor Martial Focht would
simply have transferred troops from yet another sector to stop the Falcons.
In the end we could have had one full victory and two partial ones
against 4 defeats. We would still have this accursed 15 year truce thrust
upon us. Khan Bjorn Jorgensson recognised this and decided it was better
to stop fighting and save troops for another day.
> > Uh huh, like the 3 or 4 galaxies of CGB are really going to be enough to
> > wipe out the entire Com Guards. Get real.
> It would certainly be an achievement that would prove their
> worthiness after their cowardly behaviour on Tukayyid.
I never said it would be easy. If Focht concentrates proportionally more
troops near the Truce Line CGB might well face a whole ComGuards army on the
first planets we attack. Focht might also have some reserves to back them up.
This is in addition to any remaining FRR forces. It would require at
least two frontline galaxies to capture such a planet. Alternatively we
might just resort to orbital bombardment to soften the defenders a bit.
In the end we simply have to work through the planets one by one. It's
going to take lots of supplies to grind down the ComGuards but CGB has been
really busy stocking up the last few years..
The biggest problem is likely to be that it is going to take too much
time defeating the ComGuards allowing for some other Clan to take the lead.
And I have to say that Oliver is sounding suspiciously cheerful at the
prospect.
> CNC did not earn their position as an invading clan. Ulric ordered
> CNC and CSV into the IS just to distract the two clans he feared and
> envied the most - CSJ and CJF.
Well, as much as I hate to say this. Ulric had the right to include them.
Our ill fortune was that they are wardens, not crusaders.
> > BTW, sorry to hear about Tau Galaxy. ;)
> What are you talking about?
The Clan Smoke Jaguar reinforcements Clan Nova Cat destroyed.
I think CNC should be dragged before the Grand Council and accused of
willfully hampering the inavsion effort. If we get lucky those dezgra
wardens might face a Trial of Annihilation.
Robert, The Evil One, And The Dark Lord Of Cupcakes
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970120...@aton.abo.fi>, Jon Ivars <jiv...@aton.abo.fi> writes:
>On 20 Jan 1997 rjc...@vaxb.isc.rit.edu wrote:
>> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970117...@aton.abo.fi>, Jon Ivars <jiv...@aton.abo.fi> writes:
>> >> Jon Ivars wrote:
>
>> I don't think that your TEDDY BEARS, oh excuse me GHOST BEARS, will annihilate
>> the ComGuard. ComStar Communications will never be absorbed by the IS States.
>> Wioth Precentor Martial Facht leading us, victory will be ours. As long as one
>I presume that is a typo for without. ;)
>And do not dish on our Teddy Bears. They are excellent undercover agents...
ACTUALLY it is a typo for with...
>
>> man still stands victory will be ours, as long as there is one drop of comstar
>> blood let VICTORY WILL BE OURS.
>
>> COMSTAR WILL NEVER FALL THE THE CHILDREN OF KERENENSKY. TO THE EXTERNAL GLORY
>> OF COMSTAR...
>
>Clans who will be pushing then.
Another typo should be fall to....
typing this at work is hell
>
>Star Captain Jon 'Gauss Bear' Ivars #_#
>Http://www.abo.fi/~jivars/gb.htm o~^O^~o
>Gawd! My sigs are getting smaller?! _/^\_
Robert The Evil One and The Dark Lord of Cupcakes
also master of the TYPO
Jon Ivars
On 20 Jan 1997 rjc...@vaxb.isc.rit.edu wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970117...@aton.abo.fi>, Jon Ivars <jiv...@aton.abo.fi> writes:
> >On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Star Captain Oliver wrote:
> >> Jon Ivars wrote:
> I don't think that your TEDDY BEARS, oh excuse me GHOST BEARS, will annihilate
> the ComGuard. ComStar Communications will never be absorbed by the IS States.
> Wioth Precentor Martial Facht leading us, victory will be ours. As long as one
^^^^^
I presume that is a typo for without. ;)
And do not dish on our Teddy Bears. They are excellent undercover agents...
> blood let VICTORY WILL BE OURS.
> COMSTAR WILL NEVER FALL THE THE CHILDREN OF KERENENSKY. TO THE EXTERNAL GLORY
> OF COMSTAR...
Comstar will never fall the children of Kerensky? Well, I gather it is the
Clans who will be pushing then.
Star Captain Jon 'Gauss Bear' Ivars #_#
Jason Stadnyk
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:50:24 -0700, Jon Goff <jon...@et.byu.edu>
wrote:
>Jon Ivars wrote:
><You guys said some stuff>
>
>
>Except that certain computer virus lockouts seem to be making all those
>high tech fully automated factories practically useless. Plus, there is
>still at least a regiment of Comguards still on planet, they have just
>"gone to ground."
ummm were did you get that info.
It's true Comstar used a scorched earth policy in trying to destroy as
much research as possible, which in my thinking goes against the Ares
Conventions, I don't remember Stackpole stating that Earth's
factories were locked up, but even if there were, a couple hackers and
a couple of months of work will crack them. Comstar didn't have time
to react, which is why WoB captured most of the planet. I thought all
of comstar evac'ed cause any units going to ground would be
exterminated. since no support is expected. so I doubt they had time
to go all over the planet closing the shops.
As for the remaining stardock by jupiter, I figure the warship buildup
that FWL's been doing should be good enough to secure that facility.
Comstar can't build any new units there, so I figure within a year,
they'll sack it dry and flee again
>They have had nearly six years to rebuild (3058-3052 = 6). They could
>always use the additional mechs, but with the factories locked down, it
>does the Woblies no good, and an attack on Terra would be suicidal for
>Comstar.
did Fall of Terra say that Comstar was able to lock them down and even
so, WoB controls the planet, they can't keep them out too long.
Hopeful, with Thomas being declared Primus, he'll reenforce Terra.
> Inbetween the orbital defenses, the 5 woblie divisions (mauled
>but ready) and any marik/merc troops, Comstar would have its hands full,
well lets see, with only 2 reg on the planet to begin with, both
green, I doubt the WoB got mauled <however I haven't seen Fall of
Terra, so maybe Fasa decided to make Comstar's big mistake not that
big.>
I always feel that Comstar have underplayed what Terra means to the
Inner Sphere survival. WoB will most likely control the Sol System by
3060. Terra is the largest mech creation facility in the IS<actually
with is bigger, Terra or Defiance Industries> anyways no biggy> now
under FWL/WoB rule, if anything, while the Clans use Comstar for
target practice, it will buy time for Terra to be beefed up. Terra
alone was slow, but just imagine FWL industry being used too!
>A Clanner that would gladly use WoBlies as target practice (has done so
>in the past too....)
yes, but by then, most of the IS will be in ruins and Comstar would
have become nothing more than a footnote;)
Jason Stadnyk
FWL Lover and All Round Nice Guy
Star Captain Oliver
Jon Ivars wrote:
> While I do not want to appear ungrateful for the alleged opportunity your
> Clan gave my Clan I would like to point out that long before Clan Ghost
> Bear withdrew your Clan had already left Tukayyid. It is true we only had
> to fight the ComGuard units originally assigned to our sector. But if we
> had stayed on we would have been the ones to face troops from another sector.
But then that another sector would have been weakened so that some other
clan could have won an easy victory there.
> And we would have lost all we had gained for nothing. Even we had held on
> long enough to have allowed Clan Jade Falcon to reach one of their
> targets it would not have been enough. Precentor Martial Focht would
> simply have transferred troops from yet another sector to stop the Falcons.
And he would have weakened his defences elsewhere even further.
Comguard units freed from CGB sector were the ones who made the
difference. AF did not have to worry about weakening his defences
in CGB sector because CGB had already left Tukayyid.
> In the end we could have had one full victory and two partial ones
> against 4 defeats. We would still have this accursed 15 year truce thrust
> upon us. Khan Bjorn Jorgensson recognised this and decided it was better
> to stop fighting and save troops for another day.
Let us see:
CSJ loss, heavy damage to Comguards
CGB victory, moderate damage to Comguards
CJF tie, heavy damage to Comguards
CNC loss, heavy damage to Comguards
CSV loss, heavy dmage to Comguards
CDS loss, moderate damage to Comguards
CW victory, moderate damage to Comguards
Now. If AF had moved more forces against CGB, CGB might have only been
able
to fight for a tie. This tie would have enabled CJF to gain a victory.
Also
another clan would have reached victory if AF had moved their opponents
to
fight CGB. This would make it 3 victories, 1 tie, 3 losses. If you
take into account the fact that the domino effect would not have occured
in
this scenario, you can see clearly that Clans would have won.
And even a tie in the Battle of Tukayyid would have been much better.
> I never said it would be easy. If Focht concentrates proportionally more
> troops near the Truce Line CGB might well face a whole ComGuards army on the
> first planets we attack. Focht might also have some reserves to back them up.
> This is in addition to any remaining FRR forces. It would require at
> least two frontline galaxies to capture such a planet. Alternatively we
> might just resort to orbital bombardment to soften the defenders a bit.
What if Comguards play it by the clan rules? Would CGB refuse an
honorable trial?
> In the end we simply have to work through the planets one by one. It's
> going to take lots of supplies to grind down the ComGuards but CGB has been
> really busy stocking up the last few years..
> The biggest problem is likely to be that it is going to take too much
> time defeating the ComGuards allowing for some other Clan to take the lead.
> And I have to say that Oliver is sounding suspiciously cheerful at the
> prospect.
Aff. CGB has to go through FRR and Comstar. CSJ can go around through
DC territory while DC concentrates its forces to defend Luthien. CJF
and CW are too weak and their warriors are too inexperienced. CNC and
CSV do not even have a right to participate in the invasion. It
certainly
looks good. We just have to make DC believe that we want Luthien.
The battle of Luthien certainly convinced DC of that.
> > CNC did not earn their position as an invading clan. Ulric ordered
> > CNC and CSV into the IS just to distract the two clans he feared and
> > envied the most - CSJ and CJF.
>
> Well, as much as I hate to say this. Ulric had the right to include them.
> Our ill fortune was that they are wardens, not crusaders.
Do you really think that it was a coincidence that Ulric sent 2
wardens clans into the invasion sectors of CJF and CJS?
> The Clan Smoke Jaguar reinforcements Clan Nova Cat destroyed.
> I think CNC should be dragged before the Grand Council and accused of
> willfully hampering the inavsion effort. If we get lucky those dezgra
> wardens might face a Trial of Annihilation.
News travel slow into garrisoned worlds. B-)
How did CNC destroy them? There certainly could not have been a trial
of annihilation. Did CSJ really bid an entire galaxy to fight a superior
CNC force?
Jon Goff
You got to admit, he sure tries hard to sound more like a warrior than
a snivelling freebirth baby, but.....
Star Captain Oliver had a massive brainfart and said:
> Gianni Liburdi wrote:
<some stuff>
> > Urlic also warned against burning through
> > supplies to quickly, but many crusaders also ignored him on that count too.
> > And let's not forget how underpowered all those ammo-heavy clan mechs became
> > when their supply lines started to go up in smoke. Even if the other clans
> > decided to ignore the task of adequately guarding their supplies, with CGB
> > being the only one able to recover and correct this mistake, the ilkhan made
> > sure that his clan was not going to be so foolish.
>
> Wolves won their battle because Comguards had nothing to gain by
> beating the wolves. Comguards had already taken heavy damage and did
> not want to fight unnecessarily.
Hmmm.....they did not want fight unneccesarily, so they sent in more
than 3 full Armies against Clan Wolf........hmmmmm......did not want to
fight HA! tell that one to Jeremiah Rose.
> CGB won because they only had to fight their own opponents.
CW fought opponents from all the Clans, as did CSV-we landed very far
into the battle, and by the time we were getting started CSJ, CGB, CNC
and CDS had allready lifted.
> But because of CGB's cowardly behaviour CJF had to fight both their
> own and CGB's opponents.
The same could be said about you and your smoked kitty clan, so I would
not even be the one to talk. As it is, your clan was the first to run.
> This created the domino effect and comguards were able to concentrate > their forces against one clan at a time.
Actually, the fact that CSJ caved so easily to supposedly inferior
Comguard troops was what created the Domino Effect, and CGB fought some
leftovers from CSJ too. It looks like it was your clan that was the
cowardly one.
> Smoke Jaguars did their duty by fighting to the end despite of Ulric's > orders that had split CSJ forces.
Actually, it specifically stated in the Tukkyaid book that each clan
made its own plans. It was Your Khan's stupid plan, not an order from
Urlic. Be a man--face up to the fact that your loss was YOUR DREKKING
FAULT, NOT URLIC'S!
> Smoke Jaguar determination gave CGB a chance to become ilclan but
> they blew it. Without Ulric's treacherous orders CJS would have
> raced to take Clan Wolf's objectives too.
Don't make me laugh Ollie. It was your clan that ruined it for all the
others. That is if we are blaming others for our own mistakes. As it
is, my Clan lost, but I still took out 5 times my size in forces.....
> And that would have happened even before wolves had landed on
> Tukayyid.
Yeah, if (and only if) every CG on the planet came down with diharea
right before you attacked.
> > Uh huh, like the 3 or 4 galaxies of CGB are really going to be enough to
> > wipe out the entire Com Guards. Get real.
>
> It would certainly be an achievement that would prove their
> worthiness after their cowardly behaviour on Tukayyid.
Tsk tsk once again blaming the CGB. What about your clan? You didn't
even win a marginal victory....
> > Then again, you can't be too grounded in reality if you think that CNC is
> > going to go hit the Outworlds Alliance while the other clans race for Terra.
> > Maybe it would be best if I just didn't pay any attention to a CSJ fanatic
> > such as yourself. I guess you won't be buying Mechwarrior 3, eh? :)
>
> CNC did not earn their position as an invading clan. Ulric ordered
> CNC and CSV into the IS just to distract the two clans he feared and
> envied the most - CSJ and CJF.
OK, I am getting sick of all this Bull drekking crap. CSV and CNC won
the position of reserve troops during the trial for position. With CJF
and CSJ losing so much face on Twycross and Wolcott (not to mention Edo)
he had no choice but to pull them in. The day CW fears CSJ is the day
that the clans start singing the Barney song, and go home without a
fight.
> > BTW, sorry to hear about Tau Galaxy. ;)
>
> What are you talking about?
The fact that in the book Impetus of war, Tau Galaxy was destroyed by
some Mercenaries. Boy, your clan is looking more pathetic by the hour.
> ~Star Captain Oliver of Clan Smoke Jaguar
~Star Colonel Travis Andrews of Clan Steel Viper
Jon Ivars
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Star Captain Oliver wrote:
> Jon Ivars wrote:
> clan could have won an easy victory there.
Sorry, but at that time there were three clans left on Tukayyid, and that
includes CGB. Focht had more than enough reserves to bring in from the
other sectors.
> And he would have weakened his defences elsewhere even further.
> Comguard units freed from CGB sector were the ones who made the
> difference. AF did not have to worry about weakening his defences
> in CGB sector because CGB had already left Tukayyid.
Focht could just as well have taken the troops to defeat CJF from the
sectors of clans that had left before CGB. Why he decided to use troops
that had had no time to rest from the fighting against CGB is beyond me but
mysterious are the ways of Focht.
> Let us see:
> CSJ loss, heavy damage to Comguards
> CGB victory, moderate damage to Comguards
> CJF tie, heavy damage to Comguards
> CNC loss, heavy damage to Comguards
> CSV loss, heavy dmage to Comguards
> CDS loss, moderate damage to Comguards
> CW victory, moderate damage to Comguards
You are not taking into account the Clan losses.
Like CSJ losing about half their forces and CDS losing nearly all.
> Now. If AF had moved more forces against CGB, CGB might have only been
> able
> to fight for a tie. This tie would have enabled CJF to gain a victory.
> Also
> another clan would have reached victory if AF had moved their opponents
> to
> fight CGB. This would make it 3 victories, 1 tie, 3 losses. If you
> take into account the fact that the domino effect would not have occured
> in
> this scenario, you can see clearly that Clans would have won.
> And even a tie in the Battle of Tukayyid would have been much better.
But the fact is he had plenty of troops to take from other sectors where
the Clans had retreated, including the CSJ sector. He didn't have to weaken
any of the other still active sectors by moving up these reserves.
I still say the end result would have been the same, or worse.
> What if Comguards play it by the clan rules? Would CGB refuse an
> honorable trial?
We would accept one but not without expecting treachery at any moment.
If the treachery is major we would break ROE against those dezgra ComGuards.
> Aff. CGB has to go through FRR and Comstar. CSJ can go around through
> DC territory while DC concentrates its forces to defend Luthien. CJF
> and CW are too weak and their warriors are too inexperienced. CNC and
> CSV do not even have a right to participate in the invasion. It
> certainly
> looks good. We just have to make DC believe that we want Luthien.
> The battle of Luthien certainly convinced DC of that.
Actually a small part of the Draconis Combine lies within our invasion
corridor. And we would fight for those planets too. It might actually be
easier to first go through the Combine and then swing in a hook maneuver
into the less heavily defended side of the FRR.
And CNC and CSV are unfortunately with us. At least we can hope to use
them as diversionary forces against the Inner Sphere.
> Do you really think that it was a coincidence that Ulric sent 2
> wardens clans into the invasion sectors of CJF and CJS?
No coincidence. But he had the right to do it unfortunately.
> News travel slow into garrisoned worlds. B-)
> How did CNC destroy them? There certainly could not have been a trial
> of annihilation. Did CSJ really bid an entire galaxy to fight a superior
> CNC force?
A dezgra mercenary unit was performing a deep raid on CSJ supply lines in
the periphery. But they encountered more resistance than they could chew
since the CSJ Tau galaxy had just stopped over on their way to the Inner
Sphere. A small group of these mercenaries fled to CNC held space leaving
their comrades stranded. These dezgra deserters had at least some sense
of shame and convinced CNC to send one of their front line omnimech
galaxies to help those they left behind. Of course they had to lie
through their teeth to get that help. The big lie was that Tau galaxy was
supposed to be used in attacks against CNC instead of against Kuritans.
And so the CNC galaxy ambushed Tau galaxy and destroyed it. Of course
those wardens simply let the dezgra mercenaries leave in the end.
This info is somewhat inaccurate (since both CSJ and CNC do not want to
talk about it) but I think it catches the gist of it.
Jon Ivars
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jon Goff wrote:
> CW fought opponents from all the Clans, as did CSV-we landed very far
> into the battle, and by the time we were getting started CSJ, CGB, CNC
> and CDS had allready lifted.
I don't have the source book but if I remember correctly CSV left before CGB.
I have this clear image of CJF and CW being the only remaining clans after
CGB lifted off.
NeonJesus
Jon Ivars wrote:
> I never said it would be easy. If Focht concentrates proportionally more
> troops near the Truce Line CGB might well face a whole ComGuards army on the
> first planets we attack. Focht might also have some reserves to back them up.
> This is in addition to any remaining FRR forces. It would require at
> least two frontline galaxies to capture such a planet. Alternatively we
> might just resort to orbital bombardment to soften the defenders a bit.
Argh you dezgra slime... I thought Clams weren't supposed to do lame
things like this; surely CJF or somebody else would get pissed and
accuse you of cowardice and unClanlike behavior.
> In the end we simply have to work through the planets one by one. It's
> going to take lots of supplies to grind down the ComGuards but CGB has been
> really busy stocking up the last few years..
> The biggest problem is likely to be that it is going to take too much
> time defeating the ComGuards allowing for some other Clan to take the lead.
> And I have to say that Oliver is sounding suspiciously cheerful at the
> prospect.
> The Clan Smoke Jaguar reinforcements Clan Nova Cat destroyed.
> I think CNC should be dragged before the Grand Council and accused of
> willfully hampering the inavsion effort. If we get lucky those dezgra
> wardens might face a Trial of Annihilation.
Hooray... Another reason for CNC to become friends with my Combine;
their own comrades hate them...
>
> Star Captain Jon 'Gauss Bear' Ivars #_#
> Http://www.abo.fi/~jivars/gb.htm o~^O^~o
> Gawd! My sigs are getting smaller?! _/^\_
--
Terrance Peter La Casse, Jr.
Gabe Yedid <ga...@cs.mcgill.ca> wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jon Ivars wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jason Stadnyk wrote:
>> > On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:50:24 -0700, Jon Goff <jon...@et.byu.edu> wrote:
>> > >Jon Ivars wrote:
>>
>> > I always feel that Comstar have underplayed what Terra means to the
>> > Inner Sphere survival. WoB will most likely control the Sol System by
>> > 3060. Terra is the largest mech creation facility in the IS<actually
>> > with is bigger, Terra or Defiance Industries> anyways no biggy> now
>
>I would think Defiance is on top, especially since Comstar slagged a good
>number of the Terran mech factories before they evacuated. WoB will have
>to rebuild all those (unless they're already finished???).
I hadn't heard this. Do you have a source?
I'd have to say that IMHO, ComStar would have had to do an awful lot
of slagging to get Defiance ahead of them, considering Terra's
incredibly huge industrial base. Can you imagine every
country/province/district having the level of industrialization and
high standard of living (higher, really, by then) that the West has
today? Defiance Industries (if I recall correctly) is primarily
located on Hesperus II, where less than two dozen different types of
mechs, vehicles, fighters, dropships, etc. are manufactured primarily
in one big underground factory, instead of hundreds of sites spread
around the planet. How long do you think, for instance, it would take
the Big 3 US automakers (we'll ignore everybody else for now for
simplicity) to convert their plants to making military vehicles? For
the most part, not very long - certainly less than a year.
Battlemechs are obviously more complicated than today's vehicles, but
the high level of technology would compensate for this.
Peter La Casse
Jon Ivars
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jason Stadnyk wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:50:24 -0700, Jon Goff <jon...@et.byu.edu> wrote:
> >Jon Ivars wrote:
> that FWL's been doing should be good enough to secure that facility.
> Comstar can't build any new units there, so I figure within a year,
> they'll sack it dry and flee again
Sure, if the FWL wants to go head to head with remaining ComStar warships
AND newly produced Kuritan warships, then go ahead. I don't think ComStar
is in any hurry to abandon what might be the largest ship yard in the
Inner Sphere. And I would expect production, or at least ship repairs, to
have resumed by now (3060).
> I always feel that Comstar have underplayed what Terra means to the
> Inner Sphere survival. WoB will most likely control the Sol System by
> 3060. Terra is the largest mech creation facility in the IS<actually
> with is bigger, Terra or Defiance Industries> anyways no biggy> now
> under FWL/WoB rule, if anything, while the Clans use Comstar for
> target practice, it will buy time for Terra to be beefed up. Terra
> alone was slow, but just imagine FWL industry being used too!
Terra has some (active) mech factories. However, they only produce a few
different types. No figures have been released over annual production so
I can't say how much they produce together. However, I don't think they
churn out regiments of mechs every year (or Focht would have had an
inordinate amount of crappy Nexus mechs). I don't remember the
production figures (which were damn impressive though) for Defiance
Industries but I think that in both range and amount of mechs Defiance
is still ahead. As a single corporation it is definitely the largest.
Gianni Liburdi
Jason Stadnyk wrote:
>
> It's true Comstar used a scorched earth policy in trying to destroy as
> much research as possible, which in my thinking goes against the Ares
> Conventions, I don't remember Stackpole stating that Earth's
> factories were locked up, but even if there were, a couple hackers and
> a couple of months of work will crack them. Comstar didn't have time
> to react, which is why WoB captured most of the planet. I thought all
> of comstar evac'ed cause any units going to ground would be
> exterminated. since no support is expected. so I doubt they had time
> to go all over the planet closing the shops.
You need to read Fall of Terra ,M'boy.
As part of the WoB invasion, a high level mole in Comstar locked up the
computer network that links to every comstar facility on Terra. This meant
that the Com Guard defenders were unable to access many places like Castle
Brians in their defence of the planet, making WoB's Job easier. Unfortunatly
for WoB, their mole was killed during the invasion, so now they're stuck trying
to unlock all the vital systems across the planet, which will likely take a lot
longer than just two months.
Gianni Liburdi
Star Captain Oliver wrote:
>
> looks good. We just have to make DC believe that we want Luthien.
> The battle of Luthien certainly convinced DC of that.
Oh, so the battle of Luthien was just a massive feint, now was it?
I guess the CSJ khans have been watching a little too much Pee-Wee Herman.
They get several clusters of frontline troops shot to pieces, and then turn
to the other khans watching them and say "I meant to do that!" And they
even suckered CNC into their devlish plot. What a masterstroke!
How will the IS ever hope to survive against the fiendish trickery employed
by the ever so devious smoke jaguars? Oh please, mighty star captain,
show mercy on us poor freebirths!
Darrin Lee Bright
In article <5blml2$4...@portal.gmu.edu>,
John M Atkinson <jatk...@gmu.edu> wrote:
>Being a complete technical incompetent, I generally sacrifice a chicken to
>get my computor to start, a horse when I get an error message, and a virgin
>when the system crashes. And that's no small trick, finding a virgin on a
>college campus.
What about the Campus Crusade for Christ?
Or, even better yet, are there any engineers at your university?
--
Darrin Bright, English Major * "Prisons are built with stones of Law, Brothels
Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo * with bricks of Religion." -- William Blake
Email: dbr...@oboe.aix.calpoly.edu Homepage: http://www.calpoly.edu/~dbright/
-= Laws of Anime: http://www.calpoly.edu/~dbright/animelaw.html =-
Gabe Yedid
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jon Ivars wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jason Stadnyk wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:50:24 -0700, Jon Goff <jon...@et.byu.edu> wrote:
> > >Jon Ivars wrote:
>
> > I always feel that Comstar have underplayed what Terra means to the
> > Inner Sphere survival. WoB will most likely control the Sol System by
> > 3060. Terra is the largest mech creation facility in the IS<actually
> > with is bigger, Terra or Defiance Industries> anyways no biggy> now
I would think Defiance is on top, especially since Comstar slagged a good
number of the Terran mech factories before they evacuated. WoB will have
to rebuild all those (unless they're already finished???).
> Star Captain Jon 'Gauss Bear' Ivars #_#
> Http://www.abo.fi/~jivars/gb.htm o~^O^~o
> Gawd! My sigs are getting smaller?! _/^\_
Gabe
NeonJesus
Jon Goff wrote:
> The same could be said about you and your smoked kitty clan, so I would
> not even be the one to talk. As it is, your clan was the first to run.
I do so love to hear Clam infighting... makes me heart sing with joy.
> Don't make me laugh Ollie. It was your clan that ruined it for all the
> others. That is if we are blaming others for our own mistakes. As it
> is, my Clan lost, but I still took out 5 times my size in forces.....
5 TIMES!?! Err... hmm, never heard anything about that sort of thing,
must be conventional units, a typo or something... could never happen to
comguard mech units unless they were green...
<mumbles incoherently, cursing>
> Tsk tsk once again blaming the CGB. What about your clan? You didn't
> even win a marginal victory....
Too true... and nothing the Smoked Jags are doing is making them look
any better...
> > ~Star Captain Oliver of Clan Smoke Jaguar
btw, I'm not sure this guy reads the replies to his messages, with the
huge case of denial he's suffering from...
>
> ~Star Colonel Travis Andrews of Clan Steel Viper
--
John M. Atkinson
Jon Ivars wrote:
>
> On 16 Jan 1997, John M Atkinson wrote:
> > Being a complete technical incompetent, I generally sacrifice a chicken to
> > get my computor to start, a horse when I get an error message, and a virgin
> > when the system crashes. And that's no small trick, finding a virgin on a
> > college campus.
>
> I hope that you mean sacrificing their virginity. While the animals are
> not usually illegal (but quite expensive) to sacrifice, a human being is.
> BTW is that a male or female virgin? Or is it an equal sex opportunity?
I can't afford to be picky. It's hard enough already. And it obviously
wasn't enough. My keyboard is FUBAR! I'm actually using a computor lab
computor to send this and check e-mail.
John M. Atkinson
No sig-not my computor
John M. Atkinson
>
> >Being a complete technical incompetent, I generally sacrifice a chicken to
> >get my computor to start, a horse when I get an error message, and a virgin
> >when the system crashes. And that's no small trick, finding a virgin on a
> >college campus.
>
I refuse to argue religion, but that is possibly a good idea. . .
> Or, even better yet, are there any engineers at your university?
You are so fucking lucky you are in California, asshole.
(Says the Combat Engineer!)
:) (mostly-but only if you post a correction saying you meant engineer
majors)
--
John M. Atkinson
jatk...@gmu.edu
Lacking a muse, my Mauser must be my thunderbolt
-Lt. Backsight Forethought
John M. Atkinson
NeonJesus wrote:
>
> Jon Goff wrote:
> > The same could be said about you and your smoked kitty clan, so I would
> > not even be the one to talk. As it is, your clan was the first to run.
>
> I do so love to hear Clam infighting... makes me heart sing with joy.
As it does mine.
> > Don't make me laugh Ollie. It was your clan that ruined it for all the
> > others. That is if we are blaming others for our own mistakes. As it
> > is, my Clan lost, but I still took out 5 times my size in forces.....
>
> 5 TIMES!?! Err... hmm, never heard anything about that sort of thing,
> must be conventional units, a typo or something... could never happen to
> comguard mech units unless they were green...
> <mumbles incoherently, cursing>
You must be really new. A few weeks ago, there was an extensive thread
on the good SCol's experiences on Tuk. His opponent had his head so far
up his fourth point of contact he practically served the level III to
the SCol on a platter.
> > ~Star Colonel Travis Andrews of Clan Steel Viper
--
sola...@aol.com
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.97012...@aton.abo.fi>, Jon
Ivars <jiv...@aton.abo.fi> writes:
>A dezgra mercenary unit was performing a deep raid on CSJ supply lines in
>the periphery. But they encountered more resistance than they could chew
>since the CSJ Tau galaxy had just stopped over on their way to the Inner
>Sphere. A small group of these mercenaries fled to CNC held space leaving
>their comrades stranded. These dezgra deserters had at least some sense
>of shame and convinced CNC to send one of their front line omnimech
>galaxies to help those they left behind. Of course they had to lie
>through their teeth to get that help. The big lie was that Tau galaxy was
>supposed to be used in attacks against CNC instead of against Kuritans.
>And so the CNC galaxy ambushed Tau galaxy and destroyed it. Of course
>those wardens simply let the dezgra mercenaries leave in the end.
>This info is somewhat inaccurate (since both CSJ and CNC do not want to
>talk about it) but I think it catches the gist of it.
>
>Star Captain Jon 'Gauss Bear' Ivars #_#
>Http://www.abo.fi/~jivars/gb.htm o~^O^~o
>Gawd! My sigs are getting smaller?! _/^\_
>
"This info is somewhat inaccurate" Boy is THAT an understatement. The
"desgra" merc unit was the Northwind Highlanders. Clan Nova Cat is VERY
happy with what happened to CSJ, so happy in fact they they are not going
to invade that periph planet unless units from the planet attack them. As
for the "lie" that Tau Galaxy was to be used against CNC it is very true.
It was stated flat out that Tau Galaxy's ONLY purpose was to destroy Clan
Nova Cat in the IS. The Highlanders did not ask for help, they tricked CNC
into hitting Tau Galaxy, not that they had a problem with that. CNC Intel
had learned of Tau and where just waiting to find it so they could kill
it. (also they hit with only 2 Clusters). In fact it was the Highlanders
that let the CLAN forces leave without further combat. The Clan comander
saw that it was a usless fight and left (The Highlanders got mucho salvage
too) sm
Button seen at a con:
We're A Paranoid Schizopherenic,
And We Outnumber You Two to One
William E. Ward
In article <32e42020...@nntp.usask.ca>, ab...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Jason Stadnyk) writes:
> On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:50:24 -0700, Jon Goff <jon...@et.byu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >Jon Ivars wrote:
> >They have had nearly six years to rebuild (3058-3052 = 6). They could
> >always use the additional mechs, but with the factories locked down, it
> >does the Woblies no good, and an attack on Terra would be suicidal for
> >Comstar.
> did Fall of Terra say that Comstar was able to lock them down and even
> so, WoB controls the planet, they can't keep them out too long.
>
> Hopeful, with Thomas being declared Primus, he'll reenforce Terra.
And you think the CLAN invasion was a big deal! If one of the Successor
Lords put a REAL military force on Terra, I think you would see the real
beginning of the end of the Inner Sphere. All of the Successor States
signed an agreement that Sol was the sole property of Comstar. Any military
force landing on that planet would be an attack REGARDLESS against the
other Successor States from that pact. WoB could get away with it because
they are a schism of Comstar... Technically, by the law, it doesn't matter
if Terra is WoB or Comstar.... but if Marik does put troops on Terra,
they would be FWL... and thus, an invading force. And that doesn't include
what the Clans would say about that, either.
--
William Ward
The Rare Mech Times
Issue #1 http://www.cs.odu.edu/~ward_w/btech.html
Issue #2 http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/2781/
Jon Ivars
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, NeonJesus wrote:
> Jon Ivars wrote:
> > might just resort to orbital bombardment to soften the defenders a bit.
> Argh you dezgra slime... I thought Clams weren't supposed to do lame
> things like this; surely CJF or somebody else would get pissed and
> accuse you of cowardice and unClanlike behavior.
We are quite within our rights to do it as long as our target is military
and ordinary troops can't do the job without it. The reason why CSJ got
censured when they used it on Edo was because they used excessive force
against rebelling civilians.
^^^^^^^^^
> Hooray... Another reason for CNC to become friends with my Combine;
> their own comrades hate them...
Let them become friends. Then we crusaders can drag them before the Grand
Council and accuse them of collaborating with our enemy. How long do you
think it would take for a Trial of Annihilation to be declared?
Star Captain Oliver
Jon Ivars wrote:
> A dezgra mercenary unit was performing a deep raid on CSJ supply lines in
> the periphery.
Highlanders betrayed Capellan Comfederation and started working for
FC if I remember correctly. Did they betray FC too and switched to DC?
> But they encountered more resistance than they could chew
> since the CSJ Tau galaxy had just stopped over on their way to the Inner
> Sphere. A small group of these mercenaries fled to CNC held space leaving
> their comrades stranded. These dezgra deserters had at least some sense
> of shame and convinced CNC to send one of their front line omnimech
> galaxies to help those they left behind. Of course they had to lie
> through their teeth to get that help. The big lie was that Tau galaxy was
> supposed to be used in attacks against CNC instead of against Kuritans.
> And so the CNC galaxy ambushed Tau galaxy and destroyed it. Of course
> those wardens simply let the dezgra mercenaries leave in the end.
> This info is somewhat inaccurate (since both CSJ and CNC do not want to
> talk about it) but I think it catches the gist of it.
So CNC used a front line galaxy to ambush and destroy a CSJ front
line galaxy. Why did they not want to fight a proper trial? Probably
because they know that they would lose it.
A clan that collaborates with mercenaries and uses its front line units
to ambush another clans front line units truly deserves annihilation or
absorption. Now that most of clan warships are unused we could use them
to drive dezgra CNC out of the IS.
Jon Goff
NeonJesus wrote:
>
> Jon Goff wrote:
> > The same could be said about you and your smoked kitty clan, so I would
> > not even be the one to talk. As it is, your clan was the first to run.
>
> I do so love to hear Clam infighting... makes me heart sing with joy.
I wouldn't be singing with too much joy.......
> > Don't make me laugh Ollie. It was your clan that ruined it for all the
> > others. That is if we are blaming others for our own mistakes. As it
> > is, my Clan lost, but I still took out 5 times my size in forces.....
>
> 5 TIMES!?! Err... hmm, never heard anything about that sort of thing,
> must be conventional units, a typo or something... could never happen to
> comguard mech units unless they were green...
> <mumbles incoherently, cursing>
I have even won a 15-1 odds Trial of Refusal. As for 5-1 Comguards,
that was just a mix of good tactics, good weapons, favorable terrain,
a mistake on his part (underestimating me), good warriors, and Luck.
You quickly learn that nothing is invincible: not Omnimechs, not the
Clans, not Combined arms tactics, NOTHING.....(not even me)
> > Tsk tsk once again blaming the CGB. What about your clan? You didn't
> > even win a marginal victory....
>
> Too true... and nothing the Smoked Jags are doing is making them look
> any better...
Other than for lunch............Anyone for kittie ala flambe (insert
proper french accent).
> > > ~Star Captain Oliver of Clan Smoke Jaguar
>
> btw, I'm not sure this guy reads the replies to his messages, with the
> huge case of denial he's suffering from...
Hmm, never thought of it that way.
Jon Ivars
On 22 Jan 1997 sola...@aol.com wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.97012...@aton.abo.fi>, Jon
> Ivars <jiv...@aton.abo.fi> writes:
> "This info is somewhat inaccurate" Boy is THAT an understatement.
Ok, I expected an answer like this. I admit that I haven't read the novel
(yet) but I got the plot from the numerous spoilers posted before x-mas.
I know very well that what I wrote wasn't the literal thruth. This was a
RP thread so I couldn't very well go and say 'look in the book'. Instead
I RP:ed it the way I expected a crusader clanner would do and/or say.
The
> "desgra" merc unit was the Northwind Highlanders.
CGB more or less consider all mercenaries dezgra. Personally of course I
know this is one of the more honourable ones (even though they have an
ex Death Commando in a commanding position).
Clan Nova Cat is VERY
> happy with what happened to CSJ, so happy in fact they they are not going
> to invade that periph planet unless units from the planet attack them. As
> for the "lie" that Tau Galaxy was to be used against CNC it is very true.
> It was stated flat out that Tau Galaxy's ONLY purpose was to destroy Clan
> Nova Cat in the IS.
I know I know. But as a crusader I had to lay the blame on the wardens, I.E.
Clan Nova Cat.
The Highlanders did not ask for help, they tricked CNC
> into hitting Tau Galaxy, not that they had a problem with that. CNC Intel
> had learned of Tau and where just waiting to find it so they could kill
> it. (also they hit with only 2 Clusters). In fact it was the Highlanders
> that let the CLAN forces leave without further combat. The Clan comander
> saw that it was a usless fight and left (The Highlanders got mucho salvage
> too).
All so true. I merely expressed my 'biased' crusader view of things.
Jon Ivars
Hmm, so technically when the Clan intention of taking Terra became clear
it was equivalent to a declaration of war against all the signatories?
Just nitpicking...
Jon Ivars
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 tlac...@students.wisc.edu wrote:
> Gabe Yedid <ga...@cs.mcgill.ca> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jason Stadnyk wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:50:24 -0700, Jon Goff <jon...@et.byu.edu> wrote:
> >> > >Jon Ivars wrote:
> of slagging to get Defiance ahead of them, considering Terra's
> incredibly huge industrial base. Can you imagine every
> country/province/district having the level of industrialization and
> high standard of living (higher, really, by then) that the West has
> today? Defiance Industries (if I recall correctly) is primarily
> located on Hesperus II, where less than two dozen different types of
> mechs, vehicles, fighters, dropships, etc. are manufactured primarily
> in one big underground factory, instead of hundreds of sites spread
> around the planet. How long do you think, for instance, it would take
> the Big 3 US automakers (we'll ignore everybody else for now for
> simplicity) to convert their plants to making military vehicles? For
> the most part, not very long - certainly less than a year.
> Battlemechs are obviously more complicated than today's vehicles, but
> the high level of technology would compensate for this.
What I was saying was that in a specific product, namely Battlemechs,
Hesperus is ahead of Terran production. In overall production of
different goods they are clearly far behind. If the WoB starts up new
factories or convert other factories for mech production Terra could slip
ahead. But at the moment I would place my bets on Defiance Industries on
Hesperus being the biggest.
Also, converting factories on Terra is not as easy as you might think.
Contrary to popular perception ComStar was never sole lord and master of
Terra. They did control the military and most communications. However,
the population didn't have to convert to ComStar's faith and the day to
day administration of Terra lies in the hands of a huge bureucracy not
governed by ComStar. I don't remember the name of this bureaucracy but it
is descended from SL administrative organs and the reconstruction effort
following the Amaris civil war. WoB knows very well that this bureaucracy
could make life miserable for them if they did something to piss it off.
Therefore WoB is not going to arbitrarily order private firms to retool
their production lines, at least not without coughing up a hefty recompense.
Considering the somewhat chaotic (and costly) state of affairs on Terra WoB
might not have the resources to do that at the moment.
John M. Atkinson
Jon Ivars wrote:
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, NeonJesus wrote:
> > Jon Ivars wrote:
>
> > > might just resort to orbital bombardment to soften the defenders a bit.
>
> > Argh you dezgra slime... I thought Clams weren't supposed to do lame
> > things like this; surely CJF or somebody else would get pissed and
> > accuse you of cowardice and unClanlike behavior.
>
> We are quite within our rights to do it as long as our target is military
> and ordinary troops can't do the job without it. The reason why CSJ got
> censured when they used it on Edo was because they used excessive force
> against rebelling civilians.
> ^^^^^^^^^
So, if I'm a FRR militia commander, and I decide I just can't win
without using a tac nuke on your Galaxy HQ, that's alright too, after
all, it's full of military people, and I can't win without it?
Some things are wrong, and orbital bombardment is no different from a
nuke, as far as the Conventions are concerned.
The argument of "well, if we have to do it to win it's alright" is
without legal or moral justification. The ends do not justify the
means.
> > Hooray... Another reason for CNC to become friends with my Combine;
> > their own comrades hate them...
>
> Let them become friends. Then we crusaders can drag them before the Grand
> Council and accuse them of collaborating with our enemy. How long do you
> think it would take for a Trial of Annihilation to be declared?
From the IS's perspective, it would be outstanding either way. THe
REFUSAL WAR destroyed two clans' (Wolf and Jade Falcon) military
effectiveness for years. CNC should do at least as well.
The Unsinkable Camille Klein
Aliens and the Trilateral Commission used Orbital Mind Control Lasers to
make Star Captain Oliver (h11...@cs.tut.fi) say:
# > A dezgra mercenary unit was performing a deep raid on CSJ supply lines in
# > the periphery.
# Highlanders betrayed Capellan Comfederation and started working for
# FC if I remember correctly. Did they betray FC too and switched to DC?
It would only be fitting, but no--the Highlanders and Northwind are
independent now.
# So CNC used a front line galaxy to ambush and destroy a CSJ front
# line galaxy. Why did they not want to fight a proper trial? Probably
# because they know that they would lose it.
Probably because the insane Smoke Jaguars do not deserve the honour of a
proper trial.
--Camille.
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Jon Ivars <jiv...@aton.abo.fi> wrote:
I think it would be a violation of the treaty if one of the
signatories landed on Terra; it depends of course on the original
wording of the treaty, which I don't think anybody knows. Was it in
one of those old sourcebooks?
This brings up an interesting point: IMHO, the best thing Wolf's
Dragoons could do for themselves in the long run is take Terra. Even
without all of the industrial capacity, the sheer population would be
an incredible boon for WD recruiting efforts.
Peter La Casse
Star Captain Oliver
The Unsinkable Camille Klein wrote:
> # Highlanders betrayed Capellan Comfederation and started working for
> # FC if I remember correctly. Did they betray FC too and switched to DC?
>
> It would only be fitting, but no--the Highlanders and Northwind are
> independent now.
I hope Suntzu starts orbital bombardments on Northwind and annihilates
those pigs. He would be doing a favor to all of IS.
> # So CNC used a front line galaxy to ambush and destroy a CSJ front
> # line galaxy. Why did they not want to fight a proper trial? Probably
> # because they know that they would lose it.
>
> Probably because the insane Smoke Jaguars do not deserve the honour of a
> proper trial.
Even if that was true a proper trial of annihilation would have still
been required. CNC are risking their own annihilation by allowing
themselves to degenerate to the level of corrupt IS houses.
Jon Goff
Jon Ivars wrote:
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jon Goff wrote:
>
> > CW fought opponents from all the Clans, as did CSV-we landed very far
> > into the battle, and by the time we were getting started CSJ, CGB, CNC
> > and CDS had allready lifted.
>
> I don't have the source book but if I remember correctly CSV left before CGB.
> I have this clear image of CJF and CW being the only remaining clans after
> CGB lifted off.
I don't have the exact info, but I could have sworn that we fought the
same Precenter Luarca (or something like that) who started on Tukkyaid
with fighting CGB. I could always go home (not likely as it would be a
two hour walk in the snow--both ways) and check it out in my Tukkyaid
book, but it doesn't matter. The point was that CSJ bailed first.
Gianni Liburdi
Jon Ivars wrote:
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, NeonJesus wrote:
> > Jon Ivars wrote:
>
> > > might just resort to orbital bombardment to soften the defenders a bit.
>
> > Argh you dezgra slime... I thought Clams weren't supposed to do lame
> > things like this; surely CJF or somebody else would get pissed and
> > accuse you of cowardice and unClanlike behavior.
>
> We are quite within our rights to do it as long as our target is military
> and ordinary troops can't do the job without it. The reason why CSJ got
> censured when they used it on Edo was because they used excessive force
> against rebelling civilians.
> ^^^^^^^^^
Alright then Star Captain, you can have your big fancy WarShips to do your
nice little orbital bombardment. I'll just bring in a whole bunch of aero
Lvl IIs, with each fighter sporting an Alamo nuclear missile along it's center
pylon. Between you blowing up half the planet, and me blowing up anything on
a roll of 10 or better, what a massive munch fest we could have!
Weapons of mass destruction may have great military value, but they usually
make for a lousy game.
Gianni Liburdi
"I am not against Lap dancing. What they do in Finland is none of my business."
-Bowser & Blue
calvin chia-wen chang
> Even if that was true a proper trial of annihilation would have still
> been required. CNC are risking their own annihilation by allowing
> themselves to degenerate to the level of corrupt IS houses.
bah, CNC only killed a galaxy of CSJ, which are only stuipd warriors (at
they think they are warriors) that is best at loosing to freebirth units,
or using 100 ton mechs to crush few light mechs and call that a 'major
victory'. (They said Tau Gaalxy is the best CSJ had to offer... imho, if
thats the best CSJ had to offer(which losted a lot of omnimechs to 1
regiemtnt of Highlanders), the rest of their units are jokes, and csj
arent worth that much. Maybe CSJ should become mercs, and get hired as baby
sitters for other clans' sibkos:)
Maybe then they will do something useful, other than shaming themself and
getting themself killed. ( u never know, mabye a 7 old kid from another
clans's sibko might beat one of CSJ up and kill him for incompentance).
Jason Stadnyk
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:50:55 -0500, Gianni Liburdi
<gia...@netrover.com> wrote:
>Jason Stadnyk wrote:
>> I don't remember Stackpole stating that Earth's
>> factories were locked up, but even if there were, a couple hackers and
>> a couple of months of work will crack them. Comstar didn't have time
>> to react, which is why WoB captured most of the planet. I thought all
>> of comstar evac'ed cause any units going to ground would be
>> exterminated. since no support is expected. so I doubt they had time
>> to go all over the planet closing the shops.
>
>You need to read Fall of Terra ,M'boy.
>
>As part of the WoB invasion, a high level mole in Comstar locked up the
>computer network that links to every comstar facility on Terra. This meant
>that the Com Guard defenders were unable to access many places like Castle
>Brians in their defence of the planet, making WoB's Job easier. Unfortunatly
>for WoB, their mole was killed during the invasion, so now they're stuck trying
>to unlock all the vital systems across the planet, which will likely take a lot
>longer than just two months.
well that explains alot... I always love to understand what I'm
arguing against<g>
anyways even with the lockout, terra's factories are still secure,
albeit not functioning at full efficiency. Maybe 2 months was
optomistics, but still, Comstar won't try to reclaim it until the
Clans are defeated, which means WoB will have enough time to restart
everything, push Comstar out of the system and so on....
well all things for granted, it will take time
The Unsinkable Camille Klein
Aliens and the Trilateral Commission used Orbital Mind Control Lasers to
make Star Captain Oliver (h11...@cs.tut.fi) say:
# > # Highlanders betrayed Capellan Comfederation and started working for
# > # FC if I remember correctly. Did they betray FC too and switched to DC?
# >
# > It would only be fitting, but no--the Highlanders and Northwind are
# > independent now.
# I hope Suntzu starts orbital bombardments on Northwind and annihilates
# those pigs. He would be doing a favor to all of IS.
The Celestial Wisdom has no Smoke Jaguar blood in him--he is not insane
enough to engage in orbital bombardment. Besides, the Highlanders are of
greater use to us as independents than they are dead.
# Even if that was true a proper trial of annihilation would have still
# been required. CNC are risking their own annihilation by allowing
# themselves to degenerate to the level of corrupt IS houses.
*yawn* You are boring, Oliver. Think of some new lines.
Jason Stadnyk
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:07:07 +0200, Jon Ivars <jiv...@aton.abo.fi>
wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jason Stadnyk wrote:
>> >Jon Ivars wrote:
>> As for the remaining stardock by jupiter, I figure the warship buildup
>> that FWL's been doing should be good enough to secure that facility.
>> Comstar can't build any new units there, so I figure within a year,
>> they'll sack it dry and flee again
>
>Sure, if the FWL wants to go head to head with remaining ComStar warships
>AND newly produced Kuritan warships, then go ahead. I don't think ComStar
>is in any hurry to abandon what might be the largest ship yard in the
>Inner Sphere. And I would expect production, or at least ship repairs, to
>have resumed by now (3060).
ummmm in the Explorer Corp book, they state no production or repairs
are being conducted on Titan (Jupiter's Spacedock construction
facility), which means it is only a garrison force. However I would
not rule out repairs. However most of the explorer corp's jumpships
are located in their deepspace bases or through kurita space.
as for FWL fearing Draconis attacks, highly unlikely. Kurita would not
waste assets like that to attack IS forces, his attention is against
the Clans.
Most likely Comstar will pull out of Terra when the Clan Invasion
starts up again. Focht will need Titan's forces to support his
troops...
>Terra has some (active) mech factories. However, they only produce a few
>different types. No figures have been released over annual production so
>I can't say how much they produce together. However, I don't think they
>churn out regiments of mechs every year (or Focht would have had an
>inordinate amount of crappy Nexus mechs). I don't remember the
>production figures (which were damn impressive though) for Defiance
>Industries but I think that in both range and amount of mechs Defiance
>is still ahead. As a single corporation it is definitely the largest.
if memory serves correct, ComGuards suffered 50% losses right? or
around that. That 25 battlemech regiments, + or - battlefield salvage.
by 58 he had rebuilt the 25 regiments. 25 unit/8 years=6.125 regiments
a year. not really much, but considering how quickly he did it. I
would like to see a single planet crank out 860 mechs a year, not to
mention with star league/ clan tech and vehical support.
I don't know what Defiance's stats are like, they might be able to
reach that production,
anyways, it would be a good idea to let WoB have it. With FWL support
and terra's once they get rolling again, they should get a suitable
defence if the clans ever reach that far
Jason Stadnyk
FWL'er and All Round Nice Guy
Jason Stadnyk
On 22 Jan 1997 14:39:17 GMT, w...@magician.larc.nasa.gov (William E.
Ward) wrote:
>> Hopeful, with Thomas being declared Primus, he'll reenforce Terra.
>
>And you think the CLAN invasion was a big deal! If one of the Successor
>Lords put a REAL military force on Terra, I think you would see the real
>beginning of the end of the Inner Sphere. All of the Successor States
>signed an agreement that Sol was the sole property of Comstar.
yes, but that was agreed to let Comstar be neutral as well, and we all
know that the only this Comstar is neutral on is which is better,
"Tastes great or less filling";)
They've musted in IS politics for years and even tried to help the
Clans conquer the IS, (yes I know Focht is better) but even Comstar
isn't neutral any more, helped the Draconis Combine for most of the
century, with mechs, and work side by side with the explorer corps.
And the most important thing, who is gonna take Terra back if the FWL
has it. Only the Federated (Suns) Commonwealth has resources(troops)
to even try to attack FWL, and trying to invade would be the last
thing Victor would do, cause the people would get completely fed up
and revolt. Besides, after the last war, he gave new tech to the FWL
as an apleasement.
the Lryan Alliance has the clans, and Katherine would hardly want to
start a two front war.
Face it, none of the IS empires care about Terra. Before the clan
invasion, it was an icon, and probably still is, but the Clans are the
top priorty.
> Any military
>force landing on that planet would be an attack REGARDLESS against the
>other Successor States from that pact. WoB could get away with it because
>they are a schism of Comstar... Technically, by the law, it doesn't matter
>if Terra is WoB or Comstar.... but if Marik does put troops on Terra,
>they would be FWL... and thus, an invading force. And that doesn't include
>what the Clans would say about that, either.
Again it would depend. when WoB went independant, even Focht knew
Thomas would be called Primus, and techically Primus is controller of
WoB/Comstar(however the last fraction wouldn't claim it) so by default
Thomas would own Terra. You can't blame him for being successful
enough to win this kind of power
when WoB went to FWL, most in the IS just believed WoB was FWL.
oh well
Jason Stadnyk
Samuel Fang
tlac...@students.wisc.edu (Terrance Peter La Casse, Jr.) wrote:
>Gabe Yedid <ga...@cs.mcgill.ca> wrote:
>>On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jon Ivars wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jason Stadnyk wrote:
>>> > On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:50:24 -0700, Jon Goff <jon...@et.byu.edu> wrote:
>>> > >Jon Ivars wrote:
>>>
>>> > I always feel that Comstar have underplayed what Terra means to the
>>> > Inner Sphere survival. WoB will most likely control the Sol System by
>>> > 3060. Terra is the largest mech creation facility in the IS<actually
>>> > with is bigger, Terra or Defiance Industries> anyways no biggy> now
>>
>>I would think Defiance is on top, especially since Comstar slagged a good
>>number of the Terran mech factories before they evacuated. WoB will have
>>to rebuild all those (unless they're already finished???).
>I hadn't heard this. Do you have a source?
>Peter La Casse
Actually, I think Com* _mothballed_ most of the factories right after
they took over Terra (over 200 years ago...). Obviously, some of
those production lines were re-opened after Tukkayid, but I doubt more
than a small proportion were. It takes serious resources to open up a
factory after 200 years of disuse, and ComStar did have a bit of a
revenue crunch. Also, factories on Terra are nice, but the fact that
so much of the materials required to build a 'Mech (like, say, Iron,
Silicon, Petroleum-based plastics) are probably pretty difficult to
get to on Terra by this time. A thousand years of (reasonably)
sophisticated mining will do that, you know...
Samuel Fang
sf...@mail.vt.edu
Jon Goff
I know that this is old news, so I won't hack it up too bad.
Jason Stadnyk wrote:
>
> On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:50:24 -0700, Jon Goff <jon...@et.byu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >Jon Ivars wrote:
>
> ><You guys said some stuff>
<I said some more stuff>
> ummm were did you get that info.
The Fall of Terra, an excellent Scenario Pack
> It's true Comstar used a scorched earth policy in trying to destroy as
> much research as possible, which in my thinking goes against the Ares
> Conventions,
Actually:
A) They only sacked Hilton Head Island.
B) It is not against the Ares Conventions to destroy your own technology
C) WoB violated the Ares convention by using a Biological/Chemical (I
can't remember which) Warhead against the ROM HQ in Cairo. Nearly
1 million casualties.
> I don't remember Stackpole stating that Earth's
> factories were locked up, but even if there were, a couple hackers and
> a couple of months of work will crack them. Comstar didn't have time
> to react, which is why WoB captured most of the planet. I thought all
> of comstar evac'ed cause any units going to ground would be
> exterminated. since no support is expected. so I doubt they had time
> to go all over the planet closing the shops.
The WoBlies locked themselves out......sm
> As for the remaining stardock by jupiter, I figure the warship buildup
> that FWL's been doing should be good enough to secure that facility.
> Comstar can't build any new units there, so I figure within a year,
> they'll sack it dry and flee again
Yeah right. Comstar and the DC have far more Warships than FWL.
> >They have had nearly six years to rebuild (3058-3052 = 6). They could
> >always use the additional mechs, but with the factories locked down, it
> >does the Woblies no good, and an attack on Terra would be suicidal for
> >Comstar.
> did Fall of Terra say that Comstar was able to lock them down and even
> so, WoB controls the planet, they can't keep them out too long.
Longer than you would think. Just imagine having to physically break in
before you could even start to work on the computers....
> Hopeful, with Thomas being declared Primus, he'll reenforce Terra.
Actually, it looks like the Primus will be Precentor Blaine of Gibson.
> > Inbetween the orbital defenses, the 5 woblie divisions (mauled
> >but ready) and any marik/merc troops, Comstar would have its hands full,
> well lets see, with only 2 reg on the planet to begin with, both
> green, I doubt the WoB got mauled <however I haven't seen Fall of
> Terra, so maybe Fasa decided to make Comstar's big mistake not that
> big.>
Actually, they were not that green, and it was two divisions. That is
about 4 regiments. And they were defending. And they kicked a lot of
butt despite their losses.
<Snip>
> >A Clanner that would gladly use WoBlies as target practice (has done so
> >in the past too....)
>
> yes, but by then, most of the IS will be in ruins and Comstar would
> have become nothing more than a footnote;)
Actually......naahhh, if I ever get to write a novel, you will find out
what that comment meant.....
> Jason Stadnyk
> FWL Lover and All Round Nice Guy
Jon Goff
~Star Colonel Travis Andrews of CSV
Not quite dead yet.....
Jon Goff
Jason Stadnyk wrote:
> well that explains alot... I always love to understand what I'm
> arguing against<g>
>
> anyways even with the lockout, terra's factories are still secure,
> albeit not functioning at full efficiency. Maybe 2 months was
> optomistics, but still, Comstar won't try to reclaim it until the
> Clans are defeated, which means WoB will have enough time to restart
> everything, push Comstar out of the system and so on....
Two months was way optimistic. A lockout of the level they are talking
about would require physically busting into the bases before they can
even start on hacking the security codes. Not to mention, those bases
are fully automated, and that means that if the WoBlies did have to
break in, they would be fighting and dieing the whole time.
And you do forget that as much as a regiment of Comguard mechs got stuck
on planet, and went to ground. Plus, you have the ROM agents that were
not at Cairo when the WoBlies decided to use BioWarheads on the ROM
building, so they have to worry about that. Also, a large chunk of the
population is pro-Comstar, and you have them Warships around Jupiter.
Plus, you saw how easy it was to attack some of the SDS bases (in the
Fall of Terra, they have a scenario for just such an attack). The
threat of being blasted out of the sky might make some captains leary
of bringing in troops. Not to mention, if ComStar can prove that
BioWarfare agents were used in Cairo, WoB will have broken the Ares
Conventins, and they would get nailed from all sides. Even Marik (who
despite popular belief is NOT Primus) would have to attack them, for if
he didn't, he would be guilty of aiding crimes against humanity.........
> well all things for granted, it will take time
.....and time is the one thing they don't have much of...........
Jon Ivars
On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Gianni Liburdi wrote:
> Jon Ivars wrote:
> > > Jon Ivars wrote:
> Alright then Star Captain, you can have your big fancy WarShips to do your
> nice little orbital bombardment. I'll just bring in a whole bunch of aero
> Lvl IIs, with each fighter sporting an Alamo nuclear missile along it's center
> pylon. Between you blowing up half the planet, and me blowing up anything on
> a roll of 10 or better, what a massive munch fest we could have!
> Weapons of mass destruction may have great military value, but they usually
> make for a lousy game.
Just one little thing. I was being In Character, roleplaying, which means
that I was just stating things from a Clanners point of view. This
doesn't mean that I would start using warships just to decide a friendly
mech to mech battle. Orbital bombardment makes nice story material but
lousy gaming material.
sola...@aol.com
In article <5caieq$fa9$1...@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, sf...@mail.vt.edu (Samuel
Fang) writes:
>Actually, I think Com* _mothballed_ most of the factories right after
>they took over Terra (over 200 years ago...). Obviously, some of
>those production lines were re-opened after Tukkayid, but I doubt more
>than a small proportion were. It takes serious resources to open up a
>factory after 200 years of disuse, and ComStar did have a bit of a
>revenue crunch. Also, factories on Terra are nice, but the fact that
>so much of the materials required to build a 'Mech (like, say, Iron,
>Silicon, Petroleum-based plastics) are probably pretty difficult to
>get to on Terra by this time. A thousand years of (reasonably)
>sophisticated mining will do that, you know...
>
>
Comstar did not so much mothball Terra's mechworks, but rebuild them and
then mothball them. (Blake himself gave the orders) The Krupps plant was
up and running 6 mounths after the order to restart was given. (knowing
Krupps, the plant was probably BIG) There are other large factories on
Terra also. But if they have been restarted I do not know (some probably
have) As for getting resources to Terra that is anouther storie, Merik
would almost assurredly have to ship them in. sm
Jason Stadnyk
On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:54:13 GMT, sf...@mail.vt.edu (Samuel Fang)
wrote:
>
>Actually, I think Com* _mothballed_ most of the factories right after
>they took over Terra (over 200 years ago...). Obviously, some of
>those production lines were re-opened after Tukkayid, but I doubt more
>than a small proportion were. It takes serious resources to open up a
>factory after 200 years of disuse, and ComStar did have a bit of a
>revenue crunch. Also, factories on Terra are nice, but the fact that
>so much of the materials required to build a 'Mech (like, say, Iron,
>Silicon, Petroleum-based plastics) are probably pretty difficult to
>get to on Terra by this time. A thousand years of (reasonably)
>sophisticated mining will do that, you know...
ah, but you understand, factories were carefully mothballed, so that
they could be reactivated.
As for resources, if Focht could rebuild the comguards to pre-clan
strength in 6 years, earth's resources can't be that depleted.
Once more, Terra will have a pipeline to the FWL for resources. Its a
fact that the FWL have moved to the forefront of industry in the IS,
so if it takes a couple resupply missions, Terra will be back cranking
all the good stuff
On a side note, is there a source book that discusses Terra's
industry, and maps (eg was one in the Star League SB or Comstar's?)
Robert Holland
> > Or, even better yet, are there any engineers at your university?
>
> You are so fucking lucky you are in California, asshole.
>
> (Says the Combat Engineer!)
>
> :) (mostly-but only if you post a correction saying you meant engineer
> majors)
Don't forget Computer Science majors--we fall into the same general
category, as Dilbert can attest.
Totally off topic, has anyone else noticed that CS majors can almost
always be identified by appearance? 90% will sport long hair, goatees,
and black trenchcoats. We also tend to be hyperactive and socially
inept. Weird, huh?
--
| Robert Holland
\ | / a.k.a. Silverdrake
\/--/ \--\/ Co-writer/Artist, The Rare 'Mech Times
-< \ / >- http://www.cs.odu.edu/~ward_w/btech.html
\ /
|) (| "Reality is a crutch for those who can't handle
\_/ fantasy." --Marion Zimmer Bradley
Robert Holland
> On a side note, is there a source book that discusses Terra's
> industry, and maps (eg was one in the Star League SB or Comstar's?)
I believe I saw a mapbook once, calling itself the Smithsonian World
Atlas. :) Sorry, couldn't resist.
What kind of mod would a World Atlas be, anyway?
Star Captain Oliver
The Unsinkable Camille Klein wrote:
> The Celestial Wisdom has no Smoke Jaguar blood in him--he is not insane
> enough to engage in orbital bombardment. Besides, the Highlanders are of
> greater use to us as independents than they are dead.
By keeping Northwind free of Davion oppression?
Did Suntzu not already send a fleet to annihilate the Highlanders?
But for some reason they turned back.
Terrance Peter La Casse, Jr.
Robert Holland <rmh...@pop.uky.edu> wrote:
<looking for virgins, in case you forgot>
>> > Or, even better yet, are there any engineers at your university?
>>
>> You are so fucking lucky you are in California, asshole.
>>
>> (Says the Combat Engineer!)
>>
>> :) (mostly-but only if you post a correction saying you meant engineer
>> majors)
>
>Don't forget Computer Science majors--we fall into the same general
>category, as Dilbert can attest.
>
>Totally off topic, has anyone else noticed that CS majors can almost
>always be identified by appearance? 90% will sport long hair, goatees,
>and black trenchcoats. We also tend to be hyperactive and socially
>inept. Weird, huh?
You bet I have. Here in Madison, Statistics shares a building with
Computer Sciences, and you can tell if someone's in CS usually by
looking at their gender (I'm observing, not commenting, all you PC
types).
The CS-goth connection is one that I have puzzled over long and hard
too - it seems there isn't a UPLer (Undergraduate Projects Lab - an
"official" hacking club) without his or her black fingernail polish
and Ghost in the Shell t-shirt. (Does that make this on-topic? I've
only seen snippets of GITS.)
Peter La Casse
Robert Holland
> >Totally off topic, has anyone else noticed that CS majors can almost
> >always be identified by appearance? 90% will sport long hair, goatees,
> >and black trenchcoats. We also tend to be hyperactive and socially
> >inept. Weird, huh?
>
> You bet I have. Here in Madison, Statistics shares a building with
> Computer Sciences, and you can tell if someone's in CS usually by
> looking at their gender (I'm observing, not commenting, all you PC
> types).
>
> The CS-goth connection is one that I have puzzled over long and hard
> too - it seems there isn't a UPLer (Undergraduate Projects Lab - an
> "official" hacking club) without his or her black fingernail polish
> and Ghost in the Shell t-shirt. (Does that make this on-topic? I've
> only seen snippets of GITS.)
Got me there, too--while there is no nail polish on this boy, I not only
have a Ghost in the Shell tee but was actually able to see it in a real
theater, Surround Sound and all. Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. If
you're ever in Lexington, Kentucky, make it a point to look up the movie
schedule for the Kentucky Theater--they play everything from brand-new
releases to golden oldies that haven't been on a big screen in a decade
(Close Encounters, for example) and this includes the occasional
anime--they've done GitS, Akira, and _LEGEND OF THE OVERFIEND_, of all
things! Can you imagine Overfiend on the big screen? Gives me shivers
just thinking about it...
The Unsinkable Camille Klein
Aliens and the Trilateral Commission used Orbital Mind Control Lasers to
make Star Captain Oliver (h11...@cs.tut.fi) say:
# > The Celestial Wisdom has no Smoke Jaguar blood in him--he is not insane
# > enough to engage in orbital bombardment. Besides, the Highlanders are of
# > greater use to us as independents than they are dead.
# By keeping Northwind free of Davion oppression?
Indeed.
# Did Suntzu not already send a fleet to annihilate the Highlanders?
# But for some reason they turned back.
It does not matter. The Celestial Wisdom's purpose was served, and the
Highlanders were neutralised and no longer a threat to the Capellan
people.
Star Captain Oliver
The Unsinkable Camille Klein wrote:
> # Did Suntzu not already send a fleet to annihilate the Highlanders?
> # But for some reason they turned back.
>
> It does not matter. The Celestial Wisdom's purpose was served, and the
> Highlanders were neutralised and no longer a threat to the Capellan
> people.
But how is The Celestial Wisdom going to show other mercenaries that
it is not a good idea to betray Capellan Confederation and let mad
Davions
murder billions of Capellan citizens?
Now it looks like Highlanders got their own world as a prize for their
betrayal.
Zipht
> >>they are just a bunch of people that won't accept the new comstar
> >>they belive that praying to the machines just to keep it working
> >>that is funny
> >hey, I would like to see a show of hands.....
> >
> >when your vehicle has begun to make strange noises, who has said...
> >please don't stall
> >
> >or to rephrase it
> >how many people threat their machines like their alive, or talk to it
> >at least. that's the diff between COMSTAR and WoB.
I'm of the NEW Comstar and I still pray to my computer and car! [not to
mention the Mech' in the driveway :) ] i mean that if u were using
technology built say 100years ago would u not pray to it! and Comstar only
prayed so that they the operators' souls were pure, and so ROM would not
give them a new thing to pray about.... :)
Hartford C
>>C) WoB violated the Ares convention by using a Biological/Chemical (I
can't remember which) Warhead against the ROM HQ in Cairo. Nearly
1 million casualties.<<
*Allegedly* used Sichin. That bit's important. And casualties - asuming
there were any - were well below 1 mill. (more likely in the hundreds or
thousands)
:-)
>>Yeah right. Comstar and the DC have far more Warships than FWL.<<
ComStar do....
Chris H
William E. Ward
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970122190...@aton.abo.fi>, Jon Ivars <jiv...@aton.abo.fi> writes:
> On 22 Jan 1997, William E. Ward wrote:
> > > On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:50:24 -0700, Jon Goff <jon...@et.byu.edu>
> > > wrote:
> > > >Jon Ivars wrote:
>
> > Lords put a REAL military force on Terra, I think you would see the real
> > beginning of the end of the Inner Sphere. All of the Successor States
> > force landing on that planet would be an attack REGARDLESS against the
> > other Successor States from that pact. WoB could get away with it because
> > they are a schism of Comstar... Technically, by the law, it doesn't matter
> > if Terra is WoB or Comstar.... but if Marik does put troops on Terra,
> > they would be FWL... and thus, an invading force. And that doesn't include
> > what the Clans would say about that, either.
>
> it was equivalent to a declaration of war against all the signatories?
>
> Just nitpicking...
Kinda late for that declaration of war, isn't it? I mean, when you STILL
haven't formally declared War on the Inner Sphere???
And as for Terra.... hmmmm.... I guess.... but then, the Clans themselves,
through the fact they are the remnants of the SLDF and THDF would tend
to have a valid claim, as well, to Terra.... just that nobody wants to let
them ENFORCE that Claim... of course, if they had done it politcally first,
by working with the DC, FWL, FC, and CC, they might have been able to
secure a fight between just themselves and Comstar for Terra.... but then
they wanted to invade all those worlds ;)
--
William Ward
The Rare Mech Times
Issue #1 http://www.cs.odu.edu/~ward_w/btech.html
Issue #2 http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/2781/
Jon Goff
Hartford C wrote:
>
> >>C) WoB violated the Ares convention by using a Biological/Chemical (I
> can't remember which) Warhead against the ROM HQ in Cairo. Nearly
> 1 million casualties.<<
>
> *Allegedly* used Sichin. That bit's important. And casualties - asuming
> there were any - were well below 1 mill. (more likely in the hundreds or
> thousands)
> :-)
Actually, two violations, because the Cario Arcology also had nearly a
million civilians in it that died.......
> >>Yeah right. Comstar and the DC have far more Warships than FWL.<<
>
> ComStar do....
*BEG*
> Chris H
SCTravis enjoying watching the spheroids fight.....
Hartford C
>>Actually, two violations, because the Cario Arcology also had nearly a
million civilians in it that died.......<<
Funny, I don't recall that bit ^_^
CJH