[BT] Unseen 'Mechs
Gary Gruber
Since Brian Nystul commented tthat the unseen 'Mechs are fading from
existance and will eventually succumb to the wear of time and lack of
spare parts, some folks have pointed out that some factions are really
going to be hurt in particular by this... particularly the periphery
realms. But this just occured to me: What about Barber's Marauder
IIs? They are now totally screwed... having gone from fielding a first
rate battalion of the latest Marauder and Marauder II 'Mechs to having a
collection of soon to be rusty and worn out can't look at-em machines.
I wonder what they will be called in 3075, assuming they are still
around... Barber's Maelstroms? Barber's Rakshasas? It just wouldn't be
the same.
Hmph...
The Grubilator
Fenris
<< snip >>
>But this just occured to me: What about Barber's Marauder
>IIs? They are now totally screwed... having gone from fielding a first
>rate battalion of the latest Marauder and Marauder II 'Mechs to having a
>collection of soon to be rusty and worn out can't look at-em machines.
>
>Hmph...
Uh... dammit. I hate all this "historical" cover-up bullshit. DAMN YOU,
HARMONY-GOLD. ARGH.
<rant intensity="mild">
If you think about it, it doesn't really make sense for all these new
designs to keep cranking out anyway. After looking at all the designs
churned out by RGM, the majority of them can be compared to another tech
readout 'Mech fairly closely. I mean, how much more original can you get?
I don't have TR 3060 yet, but it seems like all the various possibilities
(logical possibilities) have been poked at already. Why would any faction
invest the resources to designing new 'Mechs when you can continue
producing/maintaining existing and proven designs (besides trying to scrape
up some more consumer dollars)? Logistically, it would be retarded for an
army to give up on a 300-year-old 'Mech that works just as well as it did
100 years ago. Refitting old weaponry must be more economical than
constructing new endo-steel chassis, XL-engines, and ferro-fibrous armor.
DAMN YOU, HARMONY-GOLD. ARGH. This sucks. Waaah.
<< hugs his TR 3050 >>
</rant>
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Kirk Alderfer
Gary Gruber <grubi...@ncwebsurfer.com> wrote:
> Just a thought...
>
> Since Brian Nystul commented tthat the unseen 'Mechs are fading from
> existance and will eventually succumb to the wear of time and lack of
> spare parts,
I could understand that comment from Brian if he were just talking about the
original mechs made way back when. But in the 3050-ish TR,I could have sworn
that the various alliances were building new versions of these ! I know about
the lawsuit but why not just modify the design enough so that say,the
Warhammer doesnt look like its brethern from Robotech. Just an idea. Of
course I can always mold my own.
Kirk
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Tom Kiley
Barber's Unseen Maruaders
Tom Kiley
Periphery and production of the older 3025 versions was being made and sold
back to the IS. I proposed that some of the Periphery engineers had decided
to take advantage of this "newly" acquired tooling and add some fresh ideas.
Particularly to make them sell better in the Inner Sphere. I mean give them
some new sleeker bodies to make those budget minded mercenaries take some
notice and buy some hot new imports. So what if they aren't all that
sophisticated and well Periphery quality is so, so. The price is right and
my Wasp looks real cool.
This idea was shot down by Fasa because they did not want to confuse people
with new imagery, or get alot of criticism because "the new mechs just don't
look as good as the originals". Also if they looked too close to the
originals, Harmony Gold would then use that as an excuse to start up the
lawsuit or something. Damn them! I think they applied this logic to the
Unseen IICs.
Anyways, I had some cool sketches of some "re-tooled" Wasps and Phoenix
Hawks. If I can dig them up perhaps I should put them on my website. Hey
that gives me an idea! How about WE submit sketches of what re-designed
mechs that WE all agree would look cool. Post them to a website, vote on
which ones are the best and submit them to Fasa. That way, WE as BattleTech
players, fans, supporters, critics, etc agree that these would be most
likely acceptable replacements for the original mechs.
Kirk Alderfer wrote in message <6r6p4o$c3u$1-...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
Camille Klein
Quoth Kirk Alderfer <amb...@aol.com>:
: the lawsuit but why not just modify the design enough so that say,the
Because then you would have a helluva lot more people bitching at FASA
about the new artwork than are bitching at them now about having caved in
to Harmony G'hold. So, FASA's pretty much decided to stick with the
lesser of two evils.
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> Uh... dammit. I hate all this "historical" cover-up bullshit. DAMN YOU,
> HARMONY-GOLD. ARGH.
>
> <rant intensity="mild">
>
> If you think about it, it doesn't really make sense for all these new
> designs to keep cranking out anyway. After looking at all the designs
> churned out by RGM, the majority of them can be compared to another tech
> readout 'Mech fairly closely. I mean, how much more original can you
get?
> I don't have TR 3060 yet, but it seems like all the various possibilities
> (logical possibilities) have been poked at already. Why would any
faction
> invest the resources to designing new 'Mechs when you can continue
> producing/maintaining existing and proven designs (besides trying to
scrape
> up some more consumer dollars)? Logistically, it would be retarded for
an
> army to give up on a 300-year-old 'Mech that works just as well as it did
> 100 years ago. Refitting old weaponry must be more economical than
> constructing new endo-steel chassis, XL-engines, and ferro-fibrous armor.
> DAMN YOU, HARMONY-GOLD. ARGH. This sucks. Waaah.
>
> << hugs his TR 3050 >>
>
>
> </rant>
>
You made some excellent points.
Why oh why can't FASA give us new artwork for the "unseen" mechs
Please, Fasa, don't make me beg!! (Besides if you include the banned
mechs from TR 3025/3050/3055 and a few new ones you could squeeze
a new TR out of it.) Free the Unseen 26!!!!
Learning and playing the classic Level 1 mechs is the best way to learn
the game and is often the most fun and challenging in my opinion.
I'll use the old designs until my old Tech Readouts crumble into dust.
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ATN082268
> I know about
>the lawsuit but why not just modify the design enough so that say,the
>course I can always mold my own.
Probably part of the lawsuit settlement that FASA would drop the designs
completely. Designs in FASA products like the Marauder and Warhammer, among
others, are so exact to the Robotech counterparts that it looked like the
artist ran the material through a copy machine and signed his name to it.
-ATN
Napoleon48
>n
>which ones are the best and submit them to Fasa. That way, WE as BattleTech
>players, fans, supporters, critics, etc agree that these would be most
>likely acceptable replacements for the original mechs.
>
>
BRILLIANT!!!! whoes going to do it?
Peter La Casse
They looked like that because they were essentially the same images -
FASA licensed them from one Japanese company in the early 80s. At the
same time, Harmony Gold licensed them from another Japanese company,
who supposedly gave them all North American rights to the images.
Of course, Harmony Gold was aware of the situation all through the
80s, but didn't care until bad blood was created between them and
FASA.
Peter La Casse
Hikaru Ichijo
Tom Kiley wrote:
>
> I had the same idea too. I recall that the tooling was being moved to the
> Periphery and production of the older 3025 versions was being made and sold
> back to the IS. I proposed that some of the Periphery engineers had decided
> to take advantage of this "newly" acquired tooling and add some fresh ideas.
> Particularly to make them sell better in the Inner Sphere. I mean give them
> some new sleeker bodies to make those budget minded mercenaries take some
> notice and buy some hot new imports. So what if they aren't all that
> sophisticated and well Periphery quality is so, so. The price is right and
> my Wasp looks real cool.
>
> This idea was shot down by Fasa because they did not want to confuse people
> with new imagery, or get alot of criticism because "the new mechs just don't
> look as good as the originals". Also if they looked too close to the
> originals, Harmony Gold would then use that as an excuse to start up the
> lawsuit or something. Damn them! I think they applied this logic to the
> Unseen IICs.
>
> Anyways, I had some cool sketches of some "re-tooled" Wasps and Phoenix
> Hawks. If I can dig them up perhaps I should put them on my website. Hey
> that gives me an idea! How about WE submit sketches of what re-designed
> mechs that WE all agree would look cool. Post them to a website, vote on
> players, fans, supporters, critics, etc agree that these would be most
> likely acceptable replacements for the original mechs.
>
> >In article <35D5659C.B...@ncwebsurfer.com>,
> > Gary Gruber <grubi...@ncwebsurfer.com> wrote:
> >> Just a thought...
> >>
> >> Since Brian Nystul commented tthat the unseen 'Mechs are fading from
> >> existance and will eventually succumb to the wear of time and lack of
> >> spare parts,
> ><snip>
> >
> >I could understand that comment from Brian if he were just talking about
> the
> >original mechs made way back when. But in the 3050-ish TR,I could have
> sworn
> about
> >the lawsuit but why not just modify the design enough so that say,the
> >Warhammer doesnt look like its brethern from Robotech. Just an idea. Of
> >course I can always mold my own.
> >
> >Kirk
> >
> >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum
> >
re-release six old figure designs and all of the "Robotech" mechs are on
the list. If enough people vote they will be brought back. Also they
are releasing new figs for old mechs like the Firestarter. It seems
likely that if they get enough of a response they will probably make new
figs for the "Robotech" mechs. Finally, Harmony Gold does suck but the
final decision about the mechs will shortly return to the makers of
"Macross Do You Remember Love?" because Harmony Gold's rights are just
about up.
Hikaru Ichijo IKIMASU!!!
Garfield
>Because then you would have a helluva lot more people bitching at FASA
>about the new artwork than are bitching at them now about having caved in
>to Harmony G'hold
Yeah,right. I would never accept the new artwork for this Mechs.
I don't even use the new Mechs Fasa put in the new TR 3025,
i just ignore them. For me the "true" BT universe is what i read
in BT novels and and in 3025 there are no mechs like the
Flashman or Black Knight, besides i hate the weapon configs
of most of the new mechs.
William Pora
Camille Klein wrote:
>
> Quoth Kirk Alderfer <amb...@aol.com>:
>
> : the lawsuit but why not just modify the design enough so that say,the
>
> Because then you would have a helluva lot more people bitching at FASA
> about the new artwork than are bitching at them now about having caved in
> lesser of two evils.
>
or the evil of two lessers
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Quoth ATN082268 <atn0...@aol.com>:
: Probably part of the lawsuit settlement that FASA would drop the designs
: completely. Designs in FASA products like the Marauder and Warhammer, among
BZZZZZT! Thank you for playing, Vanna has some lovely parting gifts for
you.
The reason that the Unseen 25 aren't being used in novels and the like
very much anymore is that the artwork is gone. Are they going away
completely? Quite possibly not. But they're going to become rare as
hen's teeth.
Peter La Casse
>Finally, Harmony Gold does suck but the final decision about
>the mechs will shortly return to the makers of "Macross Do
>You Remember Love?" because Harmony Gold's rights are just
>about up.
Wouldn't it be neat if FASA were able to re-license these images and
re-issue TR 3025?
Peter La Casse
Jeffrey Smith
>>Finally, Harmony Gold does suck but the final decision about
>>the mechs will shortly return to the makers of "Macross Do
>>You Remember Love?" because Harmony Gold's rights are just
>>about up.
>
>Wouldn't it be neat if FASA were able to re-license these images and
>re-issue TR 3025?
I don't think its a licensing issue. If I remember the Great and Holy
Rant on The Unseen by Camille, FASA has every right to use the images
in perpetuity, but Harmony Gold and Playmates were planning on
frivoulous-lawsuiting FASA to death. FASA would have won any suit, but
the legal costs would have crippled them.
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>I don't think its a licensing issue. If I remember the Great and Holy
>Rant on The Unseen by Camille, FASA has every right to use the images
>in perpetuity, but Harmony Gold and Playmates were planning on
>frivoulous-lawsuiting FASA to death. FASA would have won any suit, but
>the legal costs would have crippled them.
Hmm.... Perhaps this would explain the sharp increase in BattleTech books
from $15 to $22. Sure FASA will blame it on inflation or some other
financial excuse. But, it's all part of their secret offensive, to amass
funds to fight off Harmony Gold.... Muah-ha-ha-ha... MUAH-ha-ha-ha!
MWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!
Fenris
>Why oh why can't FASA give us new artwork for the "unseen" mechs
>Please, Fasa, don't make me beg!! (Besides if you include the banned
>mechs from TR 3025/3050/3055 and a few new ones you could squeeze
>a new TR out of it.) Free the Unseen 26!!!!
Why do so many people want new artwork for the Unseen [fill in the number]?
<rant>
I could care less about the design itself because you can still use them and
no one's stopping you. The whole point of this /IS/ the artwork. I /want/
to see the Marauder in its full glory in MechWarrior 3. I /want/ to see a
Warhammer whomp on things in MechCommander! Two PPCs and some close-range
weaponry? Hell, /lots/ of designs have that same basic configuration! But
none of them look as good as the Marauder and Warhammer. What with all the
new BattleTech computer products, I WANT THE UNSEEN IN FULL 3D-RENDERED
GLORY, UNSCATHED BY THE RANDOM QUALITY OF TECHNICAL READOUT ARTISTS!!!
</rant>
MKent41616
writes:
>I don't think its a licensing issue. If I remember the Great and Holy
>Rant on The Unseen by Camille, FASA has every right to use the images
>in perpetuity, but Harmony Gold and Playmates were planning on
>frivoulous-lawsuiting FASA to death. FASA would have won any suit, but
>the legal costs would have crippled them.
but if harmony gold and playmates loses the license for the us then FASA could
buy it use the images and any frivolous lawsuites would force harmony gold and
playmates to pay FASA's legal expences
Jeffrey Smith
>>I don't think its a licensing issue. If I remember the Great and Holy
>>Rant on The Unseen by Camille, FASA has every right to use the images
>>in perpetuity, but Harmony Gold and Playmates were planning on
>>frivoulous-lawsuiting FASA to death. FASA would have won any suit, but
>>the legal costs would have crippled them.
>
>but if harmony gold and playmates loses the license for the us then FASA could
>buy it use the images and any frivolous lawsuites would force harmony gold and
>playmates to pay FASA's legal expences
Yeah but they ALREADY would have had to pay FASA's legal expenses if
FASA hadn't given in - but it would have taken years, and FASA
probably would have gone into bankruptcy before it was all over.
Solarmech
writes:
>Check out Ral Partha's web site. They are already taking votes to
>re-release six old figure designs and all of the "Robotech" mechs are on
>the list. If enough people vote they will be brought back. Also they
>are releasing new figs for old mechs like the Firestarter. It seems
>likely that if they get enough of a response they will probably make new
>figs for the "Robotech" mechs. Finally, Harmony Gold does suck but the
>final decision about the mechs will shortly return to the makers of
>"Macross Do You Remember Love?" because Harmony Gold's rights are just
>about up.
>
>Hikaru Ichijo IKIMASU!!!
>
You may want to check that list again. IIRC there are a number of mechs that
are stated as NOT availiable to comeback. This group includes the Macross mechs
and the Dugram mechs. Also where did you here that HG license was going to run
out? (Considering they copyrighted everything again in 1997 or 1998) And
anouther point. "Macross DYRL" has very little to do with "Macross the series".
IIRC they where made by 2 different companies. The company that hold ALL the
licences for the series (in Japan) is Tatsunoko Productions. Who are co-owners
with HG for Robotech in the USA. sm
If the eary bird gets the worm. I am NOT hungry!
Solarmech
>I don't think its a licensing issue. If I remember the Great and Holy
>Rant on The Unseen by Camille, FASA has every right to use the images
>in perpetuity, but Harmony Gold and Playmates were planning on
>frivoulous-lawsuiting FASA to death. FASA would have won any suit, but
>the legal costs would have crippled them.
>
Licensing IS the issue. HG had been trying (out of court) to stop Fasa from
useing the Macross mechs since 1985. If HG had NOT been trying to stop Fasa,
Fasa could "claim" the mechs and HG would not have much of a legal leg to stand
on.
What Playmates had to do with this mess is actually unknown. Playmates may have
provided financial support for HG. Or Playmates could have told HG "Sue Fasa or
we take YOU to court!". All we can do is guess.
No one has been able to give any evidence on what HG may on may not have
intended. And evidence is what counts, not a bunch guesses and or insults. The
same goes for Fasa, we do not know what kind of license they actually have.
Fasa has said they have a license (I think they do, but its the wrong type)
Remember its in Fasa's best intrests to SAY they have a license. (Now do not
try to tell me corperations do not lie) And there is the real possibility that
Fasa might have made an honest mistake (or got conned--thats my guess). They
thougth they had a proper license, but in fact they do not. But we do not know
that either.
Fasa has made up its mind. Nothing we do or say is going to change that. sm
Solarmech
<peter_...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>They looked like that because they were essentially the same images -
>FASA licensed them from one Japanese company in the early 80s. At the
>same time, Harmony Gold licensed them from another Japanese company,
>who supposedly gave them all North American rights to the images.
>
Lets get some proven facts here. HG got thier rights from the company that held
the rights to everything.(And that company is co-owner of Robotech) Fasa got
there rights from anouther company that did export and import. (Twentieth
Century Imports)
>Of course, Harmony Gold was aware of the situation all through the
>80s, but didn't care until bad blood was created between them and
>FASA.
>
Sorry Peter. Thats wrong. HG sent legal papers to Fasa as far back as 1985. And
it seem that there had been a steady "discution" between the 2 sides until the
lawsuit. sm
Solarmech
<mkent...@aol.com> writes:
>but if harmony gold and playmates loses the license for the us then FASA
>could
>buy it use the images and any frivolous lawsuites would force harmony gold
>and
>playmates to pay FASA's legal expences
>
Playmates has no license for the Maross mechs. Playmates is a "subcontractor"
(for want of a better term) that has permision to use the Macross mechs. Also
you have made VERY large assumtion here. What if Fasa looses? Than Fasa takes
it REAL big on the chin. Not a good idea. Actually though we do not have to
worry about this. An out of court settlement has been made between both sides.
Unless either side violates the agreement there will not be any more court
problems. sm
Solarmech
<Pr...@sputum.com> writes:
>Yeah but they ALREADY would have had to pay FASA's legal expenses if
>FASA hadn't given in - but it would have taken years, and FASA
>probably would have gone into bankruptcy before it was all over.
>
Hmm. I am starting to see a pattern here. How many people have considered the
fact that Fasa could have LOST the lawsuite? If Fasa had a clear title to the
Macross mechs and could prove it, then why did a Judge denie Fasa's motion to
have the case dismissed? Maybe Fasa's claim is not that clear? That is a very
big clue that thing are much less than clear cut. sm
Whytewulv
So everyone is up to date. Here are two imporatant pieces thathelp clarify this
situation.
1. Mike Flynn did a great job in his pre-settlement article at The Company St->
<-ore
that we have a mirror of here:
http://badkarma.net/newsroom/articles/BattletechArticles/Missingmechs/index.h->
<-tml
2. This is the official settlement
http://badkarma.net/newsroom/articles/BattletechArticles/Missingmechs_2/index->
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Solarmech wrote:
> In article <35da6ca3.2...@mail.exo.com>, Jeffrey Smith
> <Pr...@sputum.com> writes:<SNIP>
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>Yeah,right. I would never accept the new artwork for this Mechs.
>I don't even use the new Mechs Fasa put in the new TR 3025,
>i just ignore them. For me the "true" BT universe is what i read
You're just being munchkiny, by playing with mechs that have cool
artwork and pretending as if ugly mechs don't exist! :)
Peter La Casse
Peter La Casse
Harmony Gold sent legal papers to FASA in 1985, FASA replied with
their license, and Harmony Gold dropped the issue until the 90s when
Playmate approached them. If you have evidence to the contrary,
please speak up.
Peter La Casse
Peter La Casse
>Hmm. I am starting to see a pattern here. How many people have considered the
>fact that Fasa could have LOST the lawsuite? If Fasa had a clear title to the
>Macross mechs and could prove it, then why did a Judge denie Fasa's motion to
>have the case dismissed? Maybe Fasa's claim is not that clear? That is a very
>big clue that thing are much less than clear cut. sm
Well, it's by no means clear-cut. I agree that Harmony Gold has a
strong claim; I think that's why FASA settled.
Personally I don't see how both parties using the images in question
hurts anybody. If anything I think it would help both companies by
increasing circulation and publicity, which is something that small
game companies want and need.
Peter La Casse
Hobbes
Can someone please tell me what exactly the "bad blood" between FASA and
Harmony Gold is?
I appologize in advance if anyone gets some accidental email. I'm still
working the bugs out of my newsreader.
> Of course, Harmony Gold was aware of the situation all through the
> 80s, but didn't care until bad blood was created between them and
> FASA.
>
> Peter La Casse
'Wulff
On 18 Aug 1998 22:03:12 GMT, Peter La Casse
<peter_...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>Wouldn't it be neat if FASA were able to re-license these images and
>re-issue TR 3025?
>
>Peter La Casse
>
Does anyone know if there is a date when HG loses all their rights to
Macross?<if so when?>
'Wulff
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does he make stupid people?"
Hobbes
I agree with you. The Marauder and Warhammer, IMO, were some of the best
looking mechs available. They had style (something, I might add, that the
new 3060 mechs could use). They may run kinda warm, but they have the
intimidating good looks to make up for it (especially the Marauder, IMO).
-Hobbes
Joseph Kyde
Hikaru Ichijo wrote:
>Check out Ral Partha's web site. They are already taking votes to
>re-release six old figure designs and all of the "Robotech" mechs are on
>the list. If enough people vote they will be brought back. Also they
>are releasing new figs for old mechs like the Firestarter. It seems
>likely that if they get enough of a response they will probably make new
>figs for the "Robotech" mechs. Finally, Harmony Gold does suck but the
>final decision about the mechs will shortly return to the makers of
>"Macross Do You Remember Love?" because Harmony Gold's rights are just
>about up.
>
>Hikaru Ichijo IKIMASU!!!
Hmm... Take this as an unofficial "no" on the possibility of that. I am
not able to give the final word in this because I carry a fly's worth of
weight when it comes to these decisions (I just do orthographic work for
the Battletech line) but I think it is not in our power to resculpt any
of the Macross 'mechs. I'm not exactly sure why they are on the list of
possibilities, but I will now be looking into it...
--
Jozef
Marcus Taylor
On 18 Aug 1998, Camille Klein wrote:
>
> Quoth Kirk Alderfer <amb...@aol.com>:
>
> : the lawsuit but why not just modify the design enough so that say,the
>
> Because then you would have a helluva lot more people bitching at FASA
> about the new artwork than are bitching at them now about having caved in
> to Harmony G'hold. So, FASA's pretty much decided to stick with the
> lesser of two evils.
>
Well, I for one would rather see FASA admit defeat than lose these designs
I like [1]. And that's the thing, I don't care WHAT the mech looks like,
I just want to use an IS mech that has two LRM20s and some MLs for
defense! Or a medium weight support mech that can jump and has a PPC &
LRM. And let's not forget some reasonable recon mechs, etc. etc. etc.
I'm willing to take a name change, art change, whatever - just so long as
I can get a FASA-published design with these loadouts that *will*
disappear in time.
[1] And YES, Camille, Bryan *has* intimated that these 25 WILL be phased
out, not just Unseen. Besides, what bleeping good is a mech design if the
people who created it are loath to use it in publications for fear of
being dragged into court _again_ by another nusiance suit? "Unseen"; that
may be fine for you, but I personally like to LOOK at what I'm using!
Marcus, who'd be willing to buy a TR that had 'redesigned' versions of The
Unseen; even if they had new art, new names, new fluff, etc.
Please note that I haven't picked up any TR since 3026...
aka Bondsman Kenny of Clan Ken - "Muph mu mu muh mu muh mu muph!"
(Or: "Last to die has to dig the graves!")
Will flame for food - Clan Ken
Camille Klein
Quoth Whytewulv <nospamb...@badkarma.net>:
: 2. This is the official settlement
:
http://badkarma.net/newsroom/articles/BattletechArticles/Missingmechs_2/ind->
<-ex->
: <-.html
Actually that's not the text of the settlement. It's the text of the
press release that FASA put out when the dust cleared.
Warior mek
(Yes, after a 2 month break, I've returned.)
You know, I had a thought the other night. Technically, (In this day and
age.)
we could have a law suite against Harmony-Gold for the emotional trauma and
such caused by their forcing FASA to give those mechs up. I mean, force them
right back into letting FASA use those, even in limited quantities, (Say, 50
books/models each, per year.) again. Even if it were the extended family of
these mechs. Newer variants, and such. Besides, HOW long did they wait to
sue
FASA while we got attached to these mechs?
Vladdus Mpale
> Ok,
>
> So everyone is up to date. Here are two imporatant pieces thathelp clarify t->
<-his
> situation.
>
> 1. Mike Flynn did a great job in his pre-settlement article at The Company ->
<-St->
> <-ore
> that we have a mirror of here:
> http://badkarma.net/newsroom/articles/BattletechArticles/Missingmechs/index->
<-.h->
> <-tml
>
> 2. This is the official settlement
> http://badkarma.net/newsroom/articles/BattletechArticles/Missingmechs_2/ind->
<-ex->
> <-.html
Um, Whytewulv, these links don't work because of BadKarma's
ongoing reorganization.
--
Major Vladdus Mpale
Grey Mouse Legion
rec.games.mecha FAQs available at:
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> I WANT THE UNSEEN IN FULL 3D-RENDERED
> GLORY, UNSCATHED BY THE RANDOM QUALITY OF TECHNICAL READOUT ARTISTS!!!
>
I love you man, no really I love you man.
Hey instead of complaining we could start a save the unseen mechs fund, by
send
all of your money to fasa, they could "try" to fight off the evil that is
harmony gold, and you could get a tax refund.
Mmmm, just a thought.
Mike Henry
jerric...@rocketmail.com
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Another idea, I could sneak into the president of Harmony golds house and
threaten him with an odd assortment of items until he agrees to release all
rights to the unseen mechs, I would then leave and promptly sue him for using
the mechs in their business, I could then lease the mechs to FASA on a 200
year
basis for the price of one of each battletech product ever released. Or we
could go with my original idea and pool money to help fas fight off the evil
that Playmates and Harmony Gold has become.
Mmmm, Another idea
Mike Henry
jerric...@rocketmail.com
Peter La Casse
>Hey instead of complaining we could start a save the unseen
>mechs fund, by send all of your money to fasa, they could
>"try" to fight off the evil that is harmony gold, and you
>could get a tax refund.
I have a better idea: have everybody on rgm who hasn't done so already
go to college for some kind of comp sci or engineering degree. Then
we graduate and pool our income and buy Harmony Gold. Then we agree
not to sue FASA.
Peter La Casse
Vladdus Mpale
But that would kill my plans of being a starving musician!
Well, computer science and engineering do OK, but I
think there's more money in accounting...
Solarmech
<nospamb...@badkarma.net> writes:
>1. Mike Flynn did a great job in his pre-settlement article at The Company
>St->
><-ore
>that we have a mirror of here:
>
>http://badkarma.net/newsroom/articles/BattletechArticles/Missingmechs/ind
ex.h->
><-tml
>
With all respect to Mr Flynn I do not find that article very objective. It
states Fasa's position but IGNORES Harmony Golds position (Who also claim to
have the license for the mechs). In fact in urges people to get angry and start
a letter campain. This "article" is not a news item, it is a one sided opinion.
Solarmech
<peter_...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>Personally I don't see how both parties using the images in question
>hurts anybody. If anything I think it would help both companies by
>increasing circulation and publicity, which is something that small
>game companies want and need.
>
>Peter La Casse
>
I admit, it would have been nice. At one time it may have been possiable. But
not now. I have a feeling that HG would not have filed suit if Playmates had
not been involved. So this is something that we can all agree on is that
Playmates is the trouble maker in all of this. sm
Solarmech
<co...@aracnet.com> writes:
>Well, computer science and engineering do OK, but I
>think there's more money in accounting...
>
Especial, if you can do something real creative and transfere the funds to that
Swiss Bank Acount. :) sm
Solarmech
<peter_...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>Harmony Gold sent legal papers to FASA in 1985, FASA replied with
>their license, and Harmony Gold dropped the issue until the 90s when
>Playmate approached them. If you have evidence to the contrary,
>please speak up.
>
>Peter La Casse
>
(shouting)
IS THIS LOUD ENOUGH?
Yep, I do (from the Court papers)
#1" On January 31, 1985, FASA received a letter from Harmony Gold demanding
that
FASA cease all use of the Macross designs or risk a potential suit for
copyright
infringement and unfair competition. This letter sparked an exchange of
correspondence between the parties including numerous cease and desist letters
from Harmony Gold. Harmony Gold also demanded disclosure of the source of
FASA's alleged rights in the Macross designs."
(From the backround section. Sorry, it looks rather clear that Fasa did not
show the license to HG)
#2" In
the present case, we question whether defendants' reliance on the delay was
reasonable in light of Harmony Gold's continuing protests."
If it had been dropped by HG, the Judge could not have said this. sm
Solarmech
<mmas...@utk.edu> writes:
>Can someone please tell me what exactly the "bad blood" between FASA and
>Harmony Gold is?
>
Basicaly both sides claimed license to designs used in the anime series
"Macross" After 10+ years HG went to court about the matter. There was an out
of court settlement made between the 2 parties. (We do NOT know what the
settlement was) But Fasa has stated they will no longer be useing the artwork
for ANY mech not designed "in house" This also effects mechs not involved in
the lawsuit such as the Battlemaster and Thunderbolt. sm
Solarmech
<sola...@aol.com> writes:
>(From the backround section. Sorry, it looks rather clear that Fasa did not
>show the license to HG)
>
Opps. Sorry I misspoke. Fasa DID show the license. But HG wanted more info. sm
Danny Frost
Peter La Casse wrote:
> I have a better idea: have everybody on rgm who hasn't done so already
> go to college for some kind of comp sci or engineering degree. Then
> we graduate and pool our income and buy Harmony Gold. Then we agree
> not to sue FASA.
That's going to take too long. I have enough firearms to arm Clan Ken,
let's just fight it out! :)
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New Blue Oyster Cult album!
Heaven Forbid, buy it. NOW!
- Mining Engineer, Lord of the Urbanmechs and proud owner of the 1st
Urbanmech Battalion
- Currently Reading - "DragonLance: Vinas Solamnus," by J. Robert King
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Marcus Taylor
>
> Peter La Casse wrote:
>
> > I have a better idea: have everybody on rgm who hasn't done so already
> > go to college for some kind of comp sci or engineering degree. Then
> > we graduate and pool our income and buy Harmony Gold. Then we agree
> > not to sue FASA.
>
> That's going to take too long. I have enough firearms to arm Clan Ken,
> let's just fight it out! :)
>
I shall not even deign this with a response.
<thinks>
Wait a minute...DOH!
Marcus
DirePhoenx
...in the last exciting episode, our hero Camille Klein
<god...@nina.pagesz.net> did say:
>The reason that the Unseen 25 aren't being used in novels and the like
>very much anymore is that the artwork is gone. Are they going away
>completely? Quite possibly not. But they're going to become rare as
>hen's teeth.
Y'know... it always astounds me when a 300+ yr old design that has proven
itself over and over can suddenly just die out...
...especially when the latest variant was just released 10 (game) years ago...
~Dire Phoenix
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"You burned me out, but I'm back at your door
Like Joan of Arc coming back for more...
I came to rip you up
I came to shut you down
I came around to tear your little world apart
And break your soul apart" Garbage "Vow"
MorinStarr
>itself over and over can suddenly just die out...
>...especially when the latest variant was just released 10 (game) years
>ago...
>Dire Phoenix
Hadn't you heard? Its the Y3060 mech bug.
Rost Family
>
> Hikaru Ichijo <Daed...@SDF1.mil> wrote:
>
> >Finally, Harmony Gold does suck but the final decision about
> >the mechs will shortly return to the makers of "Macross Do
> >You Remember Love?" because Harmony Gold's rights are just
> >about up.
What we need is a three-way match between the duplicates!
CELEB. DEATHMATCH BABY!!!!!!!
war3058