[BT] Artwork borrowed heavily?
Outlaw
It's already been observed that the new Inner Sphere battle armor is
heavily influenced by Warhammer 40k.
A couple observations. First of all, while the Kanazuchi armor looks
like it was snipped from the pages of a Warhammer book, the Gray Death
and
Marik armors I've seen looked more like Rifts designs by Palladium.
Also, the original Elemental Point is basically just an artist's
rendition of the power armor from Starship Troopers (the book, not the BS
movie), V-rack, arm weapons, outward appearance, jump jets, and all.
Side note: what happened to the quality of artwork in the tech
readouts?
3058 was fairly good, but the 3060 book looks like it was rushed through
in
a couple of days. It's just about time for FASA to start hiring Marc A
Vezina and the artists from Dream Pod 9 to do their visual designs and
mech
artwork.
Outlaw
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Danny Frost
Outlaw wrote:
> It's already been observed that the new Inner Sphere battle armor is
> heavily influenced by Warhammer 40k.
<battlearmor snipped>
One thing, though. With the universal nature of battlearmor, ie, it can
exist in almost any universe, and has been around for a while... It's
HARD to impossible to come up wih a design that looks completely
original and has no to little resemblence to any other published art
work.
> Side note: what happened to the quality of artwork in the tech
> readouts?
> 3058 was fairly good, but the 3060 book looks like it was rushed through
> in
> a couple of days. It's just about time for FASA to start hiring Marc A
> Vezina and the artists from Dream Pod 9 to do their visual designs and
> mech
> artwork.
Disagree. Just get Loose to do it all. :)
Again, I think this all comes down to Fasa's (lack of) editing skills.
They don't proofread the mechs, and they don't seem to have the ability
to say "sorry bob, but that drawing looks like shit, mind doing it
over?"
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In article <01bdd7da$33cf2de0$bb315f...@doug.student.washington.edu>,
"Outlaw" <dou...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> It's already been observed that the new Inner Sphere battle armor is
> heavily influenced by Warhammer 40k.<<
How do you figure? I think only one or two bear any resemblance at all to
Warhammer designs.
> A couple observations. First of all, while the Kanazuchi armor looks
> like it was snipped from the pages of a Warhammer book, the Gray Death
> and Marik armors I've seen looked more like Rifts designs by Palladium. <<
Like Kevin Long's art? No way! The Marik designs are more like anime (if
anything) and the Gray Death Legion design is, well, cool in a sort of
"standard power armor" way.
The Kanazuchi's similarity to a Warhammer design is primarily due to the
paint scheme.
> Also, the original Elemental Point is basically just an artist's
> rendition of the power armor from Starship Troopers (the book, not the BS
> movie), V-rack, arm weapons, outward appearance, jump jets, and all.
I doubt the artist ever read the book. You know, power armor is power
armor there's only so much you can do to make it look different! I thought
the first Elemental design was pretty original.
> Side note: what happened to the quality of artwork in the tech
> readouts? <<
Once again I ask: what exactly are your criteria? Personal taste? I think
the drawings in 3060 are, with a few exceptions, good. The basic structure
and perspective aren't bad at all and many of the designs are cool.
Why does everybody on this group rip on the art, but nobody will ever give
reasons? It's one thing if you don't LIKE it, it's another to say taht it
is of poor quality.
Let's establish some criteria: what makes a good Mech illustartion (or
power armor illustration)?
mot...@sprintmail.com
OOps! I meant to say that I disagree: the artwork isn't borrowed heavily.
I guess that was apparent, huh?
W30vista
> It's already been observed that the new Inner Sphere battle armor is
>heavily influenced by Warhammer 40k.
>a couple of days. It's just about time for FASA to start hiring Marc A
>Vezina and the artists from Dream Pod 9 to do their visual designs and
>mech
>artwork.
OH please. All the artwork in DP9's books looks the same, and not all
that good. I'll admit that most of the Clam vehicles in TR3060 look lame.
before You say too much about borrowed art work, remember that the HG
Support Cobra, it just a slitghtly shorter and fatter Shadowhawk.
mot...@sprintmail.com
In article <35EFDC24...@mail.vt.edu>, Danny Frost <ke...@mail.vt.edu>
wrote:
> One thing, though. With the universal nature of battlearmor, ie, it can
> exist in almost any universe, and has been around for a while... It's
> HARD to impossible to come up wih a design that looks completely
> original and has no to little resemblence to any other published art
> work.<<
An excellent point! If it's going to be Battle armor, and not just a
vehicle, then it's almost inevitable that there will be similarities to
other armor.
> Again, I think this all comes down to Fasa's (lack of) editing skills.
> They don't proofread the mechs, and they don't seem to have the ability
> to say "sorry bob, but that drawing looks like shit, mind doing it
> over?" <<
I'd have to say you're wrong here. Nearly all of the 3060 Mechs have the
weapons where they are supposed to be. Refusing art is the Art Director's
responsibility, not a proofreaders.
As I've said before, I think the problem is, at least in part, a matter of
taste. For example, I think some of Loose's drawings "look like shit".
> New Blue Oyster Cult album!
> Heaven Forbid, buy it. NOW!<<
There's a new BOC album? Cool!
Danny Frost
mot...@sprintmail.com wrote:
note - posted and emailed
> I'd have to say you're wrong here. Nearly all of the 3060 Mechs have the
> weapons where they are supposed to be. Refusing art is the Art Director's
> responsibility, not a proofreaders.
Actually, the only art I've seen out of 3060 are a few of the vehicles,
and they DID look like s***. :)
I'm more talking about the designs in general, in addition w/ their
obvious inability to check if the designs are legal.
> There's a new BOC album? Cool!
Came out in march. Very good, mix of old and new styles.
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Jason Andresen
>Actually, the only art I've seen out of 3060 are a few of the vehicles,
>and they DID look like s***. :)
>
Be fair Danny, I only showed you the worst offenders (Ishtar!). Lots of
the stuff in there is actually not that bad (some of it is, dare I say it,
good).
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Marc A. Vezina
>>a couple of days. It's just about time for FASA to start hiring Marc A
>>Vezina and the artists from Dream Pod 9 to do their visual designs and
>>mech artwork.
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W30vista <w30v...@aol.com> writes:
>OH please. All the artwork in DP9's books looks the same
Probably because it's all drawn by the same guy, no? :)
>and not all that good.
We think it's keen, and lots of other people do, too. But, YMMV.
[snip]
>before You say too much about borrowed art work, remember that the HG
>Support Cobra, it just a slitghtly shorter and fatter Shadowhawk.
O.o Errr, okay. Except that the SHawk doesn't have treads, has
a canopy for a head, and has completely different body styling.
Course, both have a long-barrel projectile weapon over their
left shoulder. I suppose that's enough to make them cousin. ;)
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Barry Morrison and catherine Dunkley
>
>In article <01bdd7da$33cf2de0$bb315f...@doug.student.washington.edu>,
>"Outlaw" <dou...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
>> heavily influenced by Warhammer 40k.<<
>
>Warhammer designs.
>
armour before it becomes a light mech! An armoured exo-skelton will have
very similar shape to the human form and will look like a space suit on
steriods with guns! Ohhhh and a cool paint job. I thought the gery death
armour on the novel cover looked a little differnet at least. Like a little
jumping frog!
Basil t Bastard
mot...@sprintmail.com
and catherine Dunkley" <bas_...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> Maybe you could say that there are only a limited way of drawing battle
> armour before it becomes a light mech! An armoured exo-skelton will have
> very similar shape to the human form and will look like a space suit on
> steriods with guns! Ohhhh and a cool paint job. <<
I think that's an excellent point. If it's armor, there are certain
necessary limitations dictated by the shape of the wearer.