Just got a new MAC after years of PC. Found my old Infocom masterpieces CD and noticed it had both PC and MAC versions of the game, so loaded the mac versions onto my new computer. Went to play and got this message:
"You can't open the application because the classic environment is no longer supported"
Is there something I can download that would let me play these games on my new computer or am I S.O.L?
> Just got a new MAC after years of PC. Found my old Infocom > masterpieces CD and noticed it had both PC and MAC versions of the > game, so loaded the mac versions onto my new computer. Went to play > and got this message:
> "You can't open the application because the classic environment is no > longer supported"
Copy the Mac application files to your hard drive, add a ".z5" suffix to each filename, and open them with Zoom or some other modern Mac interpreter.
Or copy the data files from the PC directory, and rename the ".DAT" suffix to ".z5".
--Z
-- "And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..." *
> > Just got a new MAC after years of PC. Found my old Infocom > > masterpieces CD and noticed it had both PC and MAC versions of the > > game, so loaded the mac versions onto my new computer. Went to play > > and got this message:
> > "You can't open the application because the classic environment is no > > longer supported"
> Copy the Mac application files to your hard drive, add a ".z5" suffix > to each filename, and open them with Zoom or some other modern Mac > interpreter.
> Or copy the data files from the PC directory, and rename the ".DAT" > suffix to ".z5".
> --Z
> -- > "And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..." > *
I have the same situation as the first poster (new Mac, wanted to play Infocom games from my Masterpieces CD), so I obtained Zoom and most of the games are working great. Two question though:
1. Is there a way to make the fonts bigger in the game windows, or change font style and color? When I try to make changes with the Font menu, nothing happens.
2. Is it possible to play the "newer" batch of games like Arthur, Journey, Shogun and Zork Zero? When I add the .z5 suffix to the end of those file names, they still won't play in Zoom. Any suggestions?
wambo...@aol.com wrote: > On Sep 20, 11:20 am, Andrew Plotkin <erkyr...@eblong.com> wrote: >> Here, the sock <sockpa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Just got a new MAC after years of PC. Found my old Infocom >>> masterpieces CD and noticed it had both PC and MAC versions of the >>> game, so loaded the mac versions onto my new computer. Went to play >>> and got this message: >>> "You can't open the application because the classic environment is no >>> longer supported" >> Copy the Mac application files to your hard drive, add a ".z5" suffix >> to each filename, and open them with Zoom or some other modern Mac >> interpreter.
>> Or copy the data files from the PC directory, and rename the ".DAT" >> suffix to ".z5".
>> --Z
>> -- >> "And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..." >> *
> I have the same situation as the first poster (new Mac, wanted to play > Infocom games from my Masterpieces CD), so I obtained Zoom and most of > the games are working great. Two question though:
> 1. Is there a way to make the fonts bigger in the game windows, or > change font style and color? When I try to make changes with the Font > menu, nothing happens.
> 2. Is it possible to play the "newer" batch of games like Arthur, > Journey, Shogun and Zork Zero? When I add the .z5 suffix to the end of > those file names, they still won't play in Zoom. Any suggestions?
> Thanks, > Walt
I've never had any trouble changing the fonts in Zoom (haven't tried changing the color), so it should certainly be possible. I'm not sure why changing the preferences has no effect for you.
Games like Arthur and Shogun were written in version 6, rather than version 5. If you change the z5 suffix to z6, Zoom should play them for you. But be sure you've got the appropriate blorb file (with graphics, etc.) in the same folder as the Z6 file.
In article <d250efca-44a7-4efc-9ec1-339aee102...@o35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
wambo...@aol.com <wambo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >2. Is it possible to play the "newer" batch of games like Arthur, >Journey, Shogun and Zork Zero? When I add the .z5 suffix to the end of >those file names, they still won't play in Zoom. Any suggestions?
Those four are all z6, I think. Will Spatterlight play those?
Adam Thornton wrote: > In article <d250efca-44a7-4efc-9ec1-339aee102...@o35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, > wambo...@aol.com <wambo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> 2. Is it possible to play the "newer" batch of games like Arthur, >> Journey, Shogun and Zork Zero? When I add the .z5 suffix to the end of >> those file names, they still won't play in Zoom. Any suggestions?
> Those four are all z6, I think. Will Spatterlight play those?
> Adam
No, Spatterlight doesn't read Z6 files. Zoom plays them nicely, though.
On Sep 20, 2:23 pm, Erik Temple <Ek.Tem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adam Thornton wrote: > > In article <d250efca-44a7-4efc-9ec1-339aee102...@o35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, > > wambo...@aol.com <wambo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> 2. Is it possible to play the "newer" batch of games like Arthur, > >> Journey, Shogun and Zork Zero? When I add the .z5 suffix to the end of > >> those file names, they still won't play in Zoom. Any suggestions?
> > Those four are all z6, I think. Will Spatterlight play those?
> > Adam
> No, Spatterlight doesn't read Z6 files. Zoom plays them nicely, though.
> --Erik
Hmm..thanks for the suggestions, I still can't change the font size or color. I'm trying it both with a story file open and without,
Also, I tried adding a ".z6" suffix to my Zork Zero game file, but I get a message "The document "Zork Zero.z6" cannot be opened". The files currently in the Zork Zero folder are: CPIC.DATA PIC.DATA STORY.DATA ZORK ZERO.z6
wambo...@aol.com wrote: > Also, I tried adding a ".z6" suffix to my Zork Zero game file, but I > get a message "The document "Zork Zero.z6" cannot be opened". The > files currently in the Zork Zero folder are: > CPIC.DATA > PIC.DATA > STORY.DATA > ZORK ZERO.z6
> I don't know what to try next.
Looks like you don't have the blorb files. You can download them here:
Put them in the appropriate folder (with the Z6 file), and you should be good to go. I just tested my Zork Zero Z6 with the blorb from the site and it opened right up.
Also, you might want to check the Zoom site to be sure that you're using the latest version. Zoom has been able to play Z6 for awhile now, but if you have an especially old version...
Erik Temple wrote: > Put them in the appropriate folder (with the Z6 file), and you should be > good to go. I just tested my Zork Zero Z6 with the blorb from the site > and it opened right up.
Oh yes, also make sure that they are named the same, e.g.:
ZorkZero.z6 ZorkZero.blb
There should be one blorb file corresponding to one Z6 file.
> wambo...@aol.com wrote: > > Also, I tried adding a ".z6" suffix to my Zork Zero game file, but I > > get a message "The document "Zork Zero.z6" cannot be opened". The > > files currently in the Zork Zero folder are: > > CPIC.DATA > > PIC.DATA > > STORY.DATA > > ZORK ZERO.z6
> > I don't know what to try next.
> Looks like you don't have the blorb files. You can download them here:
> Put them in the appropriate folder (with the Z6 file), and you should be > good to go. I just tested my Zork Zero Z6 with the blorb from the site > and it opened right up.
> Also, you might want to check the Zoom site to be sure that you're using > the latest version. Zoom has been able to play Z6 for awhile now, but if > you have an especially old version...
> Hope this works for you.
> --Erik
Ok I figured out the font issue. I went into the Preferences and found font settings there. When I changed the fonts, it works.
Still having problems with the z6 games. I downloaded all the blorb files, put them in the folders with the game files, but I'm still getting the "cannot be opened" error message on all of the z6 games. I have the current version of Zoom (1.1.4.1).
wambo...@aol.com wrote: > On Sep 20, 4:27 pm, Erik Temple <Ek.Tem...@gmail.com> wrote: >> wambo...@aol.com wrote: >>> Also, I tried adding a ".z6" suffix to my Zork Zero game file, but I >>> get a message "The document "Zork Zero.z6" cannot be opened". The >>> files currently in the Zork Zero folder are: >>> CPIC.DATA >>> PIC.DATA >>> STORY.DATA >>> ZORK ZERO.z6 >>> I don't know what to try next. >> Looks like you don't have the blorb files. You can download them here:
>> Put them in the appropriate folder (with the Z6 file), and you should be >> good to go. I just tested my Zork Zero Z6 with the blorb from the site >> and it opened right up.
>> Also, you might want to check the Zoom site to be sure that you're using >> the latest version. Zoom has been able to play Z6 for awhile now, but if >> you have an especially old version...
>> Hope this works for you.
>> --Erik
> Ok I figured out the font issue. I went into the Preferences and > found font settings there. When I changed the fonts, it works.
> Still having problems with the z6 games. I downloaded all the blorb > files, put them in the folders with the game files, but I'm still > getting the "cannot be opened" error message on all of the z6 games. I > have the current version of Zoom (1.1.4.1).
I've replied to you off-list with a last-ditch attempt at resolving this...
Andrew Plotkin wrote: > Here, the sock <sockpa...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Just got a new MAC after years of PC. Found my old Infocom >> masterpieces CD and noticed it had both PC and MAC versions of the >> game, so loaded the mac versions onto my new computer. Went to play >> and got this message:
>> "You can't open the application because the classic environment is no >> longer supported"
> Copy the Mac application files to your hard drive, add a ".z5" suffix > to each filename, and open them with Zoom or some other modern Mac > interpreter.
> Or copy the data files from the PC directory, and rename the ".DAT" > suffix to ".z5".
How come these will *not* just work with the Classic OS 9 environment??? The last time I used my CD (actually an Activision CD) on my 1995 68k Mac running 7.5, it worked. All my *other* 7.5 programs run great under the Classic OS 9 environment.
-- +----------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | | | | plano dot net at aquaporin4 dot com | +----------------------------------------+
> Andrew Plotkin wrote: > > Here, the sock <sockpa...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Just got a new MAC after years of PC. Found my old Infocom > >> masterpieces CD and noticed it had both PC and MAC versions of the > >> game, so loaded the mac versions onto my new computer. Went to play > >> and got this message:
> >> "You can't open the application because the classic environment is no > >> longer supported"
> > Copy the Mac application files to your hard drive, add a ".z5" suffix > > to each filename, and open them with Zoom or some other modern Mac > > interpreter.
> > Or copy the data files from the PC directory, and rename the ".DAT" > > suffix to ".z5".
> How come these will *not* just work with the Classic OS 9 > environment???
As for as I know, they will -- on a Mac which supports Classic. Intel Macs don't, and Apple dropped Classic from OSX 10.5 in any case.
--Z
-- "And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..." *
Andrew Plotkin <erkyr...@eblong.com> writes: >Here, Charles Richmond <friz...@tx.rr.com> wrote: >> Andrew Plotkin wrote: >> > Here, the sock <sockpa...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Just got a new MAC after years of PC. Found my old Infocom >> >> masterpieces CD and noticed it had both PC and MAC versions of the >> >> game, so loaded the mac versions onto my new computer. Went to play >> >> and got this message:
>> >> "You can't open the application because the classic environment is no >> >> longer supported"
>> > Copy the Mac application files to your hard drive, add a ".z5" suffix >> > to each filename, and open them with Zoom or some other modern Mac >> > interpreter.
>> > Or copy the data files from the PC directory, and rename the ".DAT" >> > suffix to ".z5".
>> How come these will *not* just work with the Classic OS 9 >> environment??? >As for as I know, they will -- on a Mac which supports Classic. Intel >Macs don't, and Apple dropped Classic from OSX 10.5 in any case.
It might be possible by running up a PPC emulator for Classic on a newer Mac. Like Chubby Bunny (setup for you already) or straightup SheepShaver (more work).
In article <h96upc$u4...@news.eternal-september.org>, Charles Richmond <friz...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>How come these will *not* just work with the Classic OS 9 >environment??? The last time I used my CD (actually an Activision >CD) on my 1995 68k Mac running 7.5, it worked. All my *other* 7.5 >programs run great under the Classic OS 9 environment.
Andrew Plotkin wrote: > Here, Charles Richmond <friz...@tx.rr.com> wrote: >> Andrew Plotkin wrote: >>> Here, the sock <sockpa...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Just got a new MAC after years of PC. Found my old Infocom >>>> masterpieces CD and noticed it had both PC and MAC versions of the >>>> game, so loaded the mac versions onto my new computer. Went to play >>>> and got this message:
>>>> "You can't open the application because the classic environment is no >>>> longer supported" >>> Copy the Mac application files to your hard drive, add a ".z5" suffix >>> to each filename, and open them with Zoom or some other modern Mac >>> interpreter.
>>> Or copy the data files from the PC directory, and rename the ".DAT" >>> suffix to ".z5".
>> How come these will *not* just work with the Classic OS 9 >> environment???
> As for as I know, they will -- on a Mac which supports Classic. Intel > Macs don't, and Apple dropped Classic from OSX 10.5 in any case.
Damn!!! That was a *stupid* thing to do!!! I rely on several of my old 68k programs. Good thing I have a PPC Mac G5 running Mac OS/X 10.4 !!!
-- +----------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | | | | plano dot net at aquaporin4 dot com | +----------------------------------------+
On Sep 20, 12:23 pm, Erik Temple <Ek.Tem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adam Thornton wrote: > > In article <d250efca-44a7-4efc-9ec1-339aee102...@o35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, > > wambo...@aol.com <wambo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> 2. Is it possible to play the "newer" batch of games like Arthur, > >> Journey, Shogun and Zork Zero? When I add the .z5 suffix to the end of > >> those file names, they still won't play in Zoom. Any suggestions?
> > Those four are all z6, I think. Will Spatterlight play those?
> > Adam
> No, Spatterlight doesn't read Z6 files. Zoom plays them nicely, though.
I appreciate all the help I've been receiving on getting the Infocom games to work for me in Zoom, but I have another question, so i thought I would throw it out to the group. I'm still having a little trouble with the z6 games (Zork Zero, Arthur, Shogun and Journey). The games start just fine, with all the graphic elements intact. However, as I start typing commands and the screen fills up with text, there's something weird going on when the text reaches the bottom of the game window. The text window does not become scrollable at all, like I would expect it to as more and more text appears. Instead, all new text and new commands I type keep "overprinting" on the same line, at the very bottom of the window. This is happening with all 4 of the z6 games (but not with any of the z5 games). Does anyone have any suggestions for me? Im' so close to getting these z6 games to work!
> I appreciate all the help I've been receiving on getting the Infocom > games to work for me in Zoom, but I have another question, so i > thought I would throw it out to the group. I'm still having a little > trouble with the z6 games (Zork Zero, Arthur, Shogun and Journey). The > games start just fine, with all the graphic elements intact. However, > as I start typing commands and the screen fills up with text, there's > something weird going on when the text reaches the bottom of the game > window. The text window does not become scrollable at all, like I > would expect it to as more and more text appears. Instead, all new > text and new commands I type keep "overprinting" on the same line, at > the very bottom of the window. This is happening with all 4 of the z6 > games (but not with any of the z5 games). Does anyone have any > suggestions for me? Im' so close to getting these z6 games to work!
> Thanks!
I am seeing the same in Zoom when I play my copies of Arthur or Zork Zero, and I don't remember this being an issue in the past, so it might be a bug which crept into a recent release.
<listor...@expr-i0.net> wrote: >On 7 Okt., 15:40, "wambo...@aol.com" <wambo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Hi all (again)-
>> I appreciate all the help I've been receiving on getting the Infocom >> games to work for me in Zoom, but I have another question, so i >> thought I would throw it out to the group. I'm still having a little >> trouble with the z6 games (Zork Zero, Arthur, Shogun and Journey). The >> games start just fine, with all the graphic elements intact. However, >> as I start typing commands and the screen fills up with text, there's >> something weird going on when the text reaches the bottom of the game >> window. The text window does not become scrollable at all, like I >> would expect it to as more and more text appears. Instead, all new >> text and new commands I type keep "overprinting" on the same line, at >> the very bottom of the window. This is happening with all 4 of the z6 >> games (but not with any of the z5 games). Does anyone have any >> suggestions for me? Im' so close to getting these z6 games to work!
>> Thanks!
>I am seeing the same in Zoom when I play my copies of Arthur or Zork >Zero, and I don't remember this being an issue in the past, so it >might be a bug which crept into a recent release.
>Jeremy
To play Z6 games on Linux, I run Windows Frotz over Wine. It means I don't get subpixel smoothing for the text (as opposed playing z5-z8 over Gargoyle), but the screen layout has been pretty accurate to what I recall from playing those games natively in the 1990's so far. I seem to remember Wine is available on Mac, so unless you have reservations about Wine itself, you can give that a go.
If anyone has any other suggestions for me on this problem, I'd really appreciate it. I've tried a few things that were mentioned by people in the group but I'm still unable to get the z6 games to display properly. FYI: I'm running version 1.1.4 of Zoom and I have the proper blorb files installed. Thanks!
<<I appreciate all the help I've been receiving on getting the Infocom games to work for me in Zoom, but I have another question, so i thought I would throw it out to the group. I'm still having a little trouble with the z6 games (Zork Zero, Arthur, Shogun and Journey). The games start just fine, with all the graphic elements intact. However, as I start typing commands and the screen fills up with text, there's something weird going on when the text reaches the bottom of the game window. The text window does not become scrollable at all, like I would expect it to as more and more text appears. Instead, all new text and new commands I type keep "overprinting" on the same line, at the very bottom of the window. This is happening with all 4 of the z6 games (but not with any of the z5 games). Does anyone have any suggestions for me? Im' so close to getting these z6 games to work! >>
<"wambo...@sbcglobal.net"> wrote: > If anyone has any other suggestions for me on this problem, I'd really > appreciate it. I've tried a few things that were mentioned by people > in the group but I'm still unable to get the z6 games to display > properly. FYI: I'm running version 1.1.4 of Zoom and I have the proper > blorb files installed. Thanks!
> <<I appreciate all the help I've been receiving on getting the > Infocom > games to work for me in Zoom, but I have another question, so i > thought I would throw it out to the group. I'm still having a little > trouble with the z6 games (Zork Zero, Arthur, Shogun and Journey). > The > games start just fine, with all the graphic elements intact. However, > as I start typing commands and the screen fills up with text, there's > something weird going on when the text reaches the bottom of the game > window. The text window does not become scrollable at all, like I > would expect it to as more and more text appears. Instead, all new > text and new commands I type keep "overprinting" on the same line, at > the very bottom of the window. This is happening with all 4 of the z6 > games (but not with any of the z5 games). Does anyone have any > suggestions for me? Im' so close to getting these z6 games to work! >>
I find that this can happen depending on the "z-code interpreter" setting in Preferences. Have you tried changing that to different values to see if there's one that works correctly for you? (On Mac OS X, "3 - Macintosh" seems to be a good choice.)
Thanks for the suggestion. I tried every combination of settings in the Preferences/Game window (both settings for "Glulx Interpreter" combined with every setting for "Z-Code Interpreter"). I did notice some minor differences in how the game window looked, but I still encountered the same problem every time (type "bunching up" at the bottom of the screen instead of scrolling down). I didn't try changing the "Revision" setting. There is a "Z" there now, and I don't know what I would change it to.
On Oct 26, 12:44 pm, Sam Carmean <s...@netset.corn> wrote:
> In article > <604ca2ed-dbf7-4063-98df-c50472713...@l33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
> <"wambo...@sbcglobal.net"> wrote: > > If anyone has any other suggestions for me on this problem, I'd really > > appreciate it. I've tried a few things that were mentioned by people > > in the group but I'm still unable to get the z6 games to display > > properly. FYI: I'm running version 1.1.4 of Zoom and I have the proper > > blorb files installed. Thanks!
> > <<I appreciate all the help I've been receiving on getting the > > Infocom > > games to work for me in Zoom, but I have another question, so i > > thought I would throw it out to the group. I'm still having a little > > trouble with the z6 games (Zork Zero, Arthur, Shogun and Journey). > > The > > games start just fine, with all the graphic elements intact. However, > > as I start typing commands and the screen fills up with text, there's > > something weird going on when the text reaches the bottom of the game > > window. The text window does not become scrollable at all, like I > > would expect it to as more and more text appears. Instead, all new > > text and new commands I type keep "overprinting" on the same line, at > > the very bottom of the window. This is happening with all 4 of the z6 > > games (but not with any of the z5 games). Does anyone have any > > suggestions for me? Im' so close to getting these z6 games to work! >>
> I find that this can happen depending on the "z-code interpreter" > setting in Preferences. Have you tried changing that to different > values to see if there's one that works correctly for you? (On Mac OS > X, "3 - Macintosh" seems to be a good choice.)
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