Libel! libel, libel!
Max
libel is written.
Sorry for the outburst, but the fact that the subject keeps popping up
and the error seemed more popular by an order of magnitude was drving
me nuts
=Max
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Thank you, Max :)
Frank de Groot
> It's not slander people, it's libel! Rule of thumb: slander is spoken,
> libel is written.
>
> Sorry for the outburst, but the fact that the subject keeps popping up
> and the error seemed more popular by an order of magnitude was drving
> me nuts
It's very funny how, in the thread about "influence", said:
"And it is irrelevant to the discussion".
Slander or libel, it's also irrelevant to the discussion.
It's both a criminal offence and the difference is a technicality and the
point isa that's it's constantly being DONE, not that it's spoken or
written.
Whatever. Who cares. Stop distracting attention from the issue.
Frank de Groot
> It's not slander people, it's libel! Rule of thumb: slander is spoken,
> libel is written.
So?
Jan ven der Steen telephones Go tournaments that I sponsor (he finds that on
my "News" page).
He calls them and says: "What are your quality standards for accepting
sponsorship" and goes on threatening them with legal repercussions because I
am allegedly a Copyright-violator.
So this is _slander_
Then we have the GoGoD dudes.
They talk to Go equiplent dealers on Go symposia/fairs and they warn against
dealing Moyo Go Studio because "it may have serious legal consequences
because Frank is a Copyright violator".
So this is _slander_.
I have often called it "slander & libel", and starting a separate thread
with the sole purpose of attacking the /terminology/ is utterly pathetic.
Vit Brunner
> Jan ven der Steen telephones Go tournaments that I sponsor (he finds that on
> my "News" page).
> He calls them and says: "What are your quality standards for accepting
> sponsorship" and goes on threatening them with legal repercussions because I
> am allegedly a Copyright-violator.
>
> So this is _slander_
>
> Then we have the GoGoD dudes.
> They talk to Go equiplent dealers on Go symposia/fairs and they warn against
> dealing Moyo Go Studio because "it may have serious legal consequences
> because Frank is a Copyright violator".
>
> So this is _slander_.
>
> I have often called it "slander & libel", and starting a separate thread
> with the sole purpose of attacking the /terminology/ is utterly pathetic.
Isn't it "slander & libel" saying this about them without providing any
evidence?
Note for people who like to twist things: the previous sentence is a
*question*, not a statement.
Frank de Groot
> Isn't it "slander & libel" saying this about them without providing any
> evidence?
Is this a court of Law and are you the judge?
I am alleging slander and libel and I claim to have strong evidence and
proof.
Slander & libel are prisonable offences and the people I am accusing of it
are very rich (some are millionaires in USD).
They do not need your help.
I am the one suffering from slander & libel, not they.
For the rest I would like to say that if you continue to accuse me of
prisonable offences in a public forum, that I will take steps to make sure
that your criminal activities will be punished by your Go club and Go
tournament organisers.
You have not expressed remorse for your criminal activities in the past, and
you keep perpetrating your crimes.
My patience is about to run out.
I will soon have to go to Olomouc, and I'll visit Brno to pay you a visit
and straighten you out if I have to.
I do not tolerate threats and crimes against me any more.
I demand that you stop or you will suffer the consequences.
Frank de Groot
> Note for people who like to twist things: the previous sentence is a
> *question*, not a statement.
I just Googled for pictures of you and I noticed that you are a little kid.
Being a little kid does not excuse you. If you can be a 4d player you can
also take responsibility for your actions.
Frank de Groot
> Isn't it "slander & libel" saying this about them without providing any
> evidence?
Since you are a child, please inform your parents I will visit them in Brno
to settle this issue once and for all.
I strongly advise you to tell this to your parents because they are in a
world of trouble and you do not want to make it harder on them.
hans kloss
> "Vit Brunner" <vit.b...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
>>Isn't it "slander & libel" saying this about them without providing any
>>evidence?
>
>
>
> Since you are a child, please inform your parents I will visit them in Brno
> to settle this issue once and for all.
I suppose there are many ways you can settle the issue (what issue was
it anyway?) in 'once and for all' fashion - they all involve termination
of alleged culprit.
So who are going to terminate this time - Vit, his parents or some
innocent pedestrians?
>
> I strongly advise you to tell this to your parents because they are in a
> world of trouble and you do not want to make it harder on them.
>
>
But that is illogical. Firstly what is there to tell to his parents. It
is unclear really. If we shall understand that his parents should be
informed that they (or he) are going to be terminated then this is not
going to make things easier on them - is it? Secondly if this is just
casual barking not involving any action in real world (as so often) then
telling them will not make it easier on them as there is no hardship
that is going to fall on them either.
Is logic used in your posting the same that is used while you write your
code or we deal with something specially crafted for rgg?
Frank de Groot
> But that is illogical. Firstly what is there to tell to his parents.
That they raised a criminal and that soon their time of reckoning has come.
As far as I'm concerned they're legally and morally responsible for their
little sprouts escapades on the internet.
> is unclear really.
What business of yours is it, anyway?
You're an anonymous Polish troll, not one of the Czech kid's parents.
> If we shall understand that his parents should be informed that they (or
> he) are going to be terminated then this is not going to make things
> easier on them - is it?
Stop watching Schwarzenegger movies.
I just read that as much as 10% of all people are psychopaths.
They feel no remorse for their deeds, they feel no empathy, no stress when
they do something wrong, and they /enhoy/ stirring up trouble.
Psychopaths don't even care when you kick the shit out of them. They feel
nothing much, ever.
I guess that my only chance of stopping the kid is making it clear to his
parents that they are responsible.
Perhaps they /aren't/ psychopaths (no idea how much of it is hereditary).
Rest assured that if I have to modify my itinerary for a little sociopath
that his parents WON'T like it.
Like I said, I have enough of harrassment originating in Eastern Europe.
I was subjected to a lot of that whern I lived/worked/travelled in those
countries (Czech Rep. as well).
I know how things work there - the only thing psychopaths respect is force
of some sort - I leave it up to the kid whether he chooses to continue his
little crusade against me and whether he hates his parents so much that they
end up will footing the bill for his little "fun".
Force can be of all kinds. I prefer legal force, but since the kid started
with a Google clickfraud campaign I could also try to cause financial damage
to his parents. I'm a very resourceful person. If the kid knew who he was up
against, he'd be lying low.
Frank de Groot
news:elevg1$l1v$1...@online.de...
> I suppose there are many ways you can settle the issue (what issue was it
> anyway?) in 'once and for all' fashion - they all involve termination of
> alleged culprit.
I have absolutely no problem of physically killing someone who I deem to be
a mortal threat to myself.
This is something even the Law allows.
It has not by far come to this point in case of Mr. Brunner.
However, when someone causes me financial damage, I ALWAYS make sure that
very significal financial damage is caused to the perpertators as a result.
War is war.
He who starts a war should expect hardship in return.
I consider it ethical to cause substantial financial damage onto the kid's
parents, only fair, don't you agree?
Since I will be visiting the area soon, I can personally take care of the
datails, to make sure and verify that said damage indeed happens.
You think this is not etical, to be expected, allowed and fair?
Or you think I should roll over and take the financial damage that the kid
caused and is still causing?
Don't worry. His parents obviously do not have a problem with it.
Otherwise they would have stopped him a long time ago.
I advise a kiddie filter.
Frank de Groot
Secondly if this is just
> casual barking not involving any action in real world (as so often) then
> telling them will not make it easier on them as there is no hardship that
> is going to fall on them either.
That is for me to know and the kid to find out.
I was utterly amazed, a year or so ago, that I don't have a Czech police
record (I asked their embassy here becauase I was planning to go back to do
some things).
Because when I left that country after having living there, the police was
very actively looking for me.
Civil servants.. :-)
I said before, I am a "strange" person.
I advise people not to fuck too much with me because words have a tendency
to run out and be replaced by something more substantial.
I have no problem waging actual, physical war on anyone who declared actual,
physical war onto me.
It's generally accepted to be 100% ethical behavior to defend yourself with
force against criminals that use force.
If his parents are that desperate to be "fucked over", I'd be more than
happy to oblige ASAP.
Vit Brunner
> > evidence?
> Is this a court of Law and are you the judge?
No, I just asked what constitutes as "slander & libel". You could have
also answered "No, it isn't slander & libel" instead of threatening me
and my family.
> I am alleging slander and libel and I claim to have strong evidence and
> proof.
Good for you.
> Slander & libel are prisonable offences and the people I am accusing of it
> are very rich (some are millionaires in USD).
Good for you.
> They do not need your help.
How am I helping them?
> I am the one suffering from slander & libel, not they.
Someone who hasn't seen your proofs might think that they are suffering
from it too.
> For the rest I would like to say that if you continue to accuse me of
> prisonable offences in a public forum, that I will take steps to make sure
> that your criminal activities will be punished by your Go club and Go
> tournament organisers.
Where and how did I accuse? And please do not threaten me with doing it
- just go and contact them.
> You have not expressed remorse for your criminal activities in the past, and
> you keep perpetrating your crimes.
This is "slander & libel". I have not engaged in any criminal
activities.
> I will soon have to go to Olomouc, and I'll visit Brno to pay you a visit
> and straighten you out if I have to.
> I do not tolerate threats and crimes against me any more.
Where, where and how did I threaten you? What crimes have I done?
> I demand that you stop or you will suffer the consequences.
That I stop what? Something I've never done?
> Being a little kid does not excuse you. If you can be a 4d player you can
> also take responsibility for your actions.
I do take responsibility for my actions.
> That they raised a criminal and that soon their time of reckoning has come.
> As far as I'm concerned they're legally and morally responsible for their
> little sprouts escapades on the internet.
This is "slander & libel" again. I am not a criminal.
Frank de Groot
> No, I just asked what constitutes as "slander & libel". You could have
> also answered "No, it isn't slander & libel" instead of threatening me
> and my family.
See you soon!
Jerzy
news:8I-dnWL1ys3rmObY...@giganews.com...
> What business of yours is it, anyway?
> You're an anonymous Polish troll, not one of the Czech kid's parents.
"hans kloss" is a real person. Educate yourself Frankie.
> Stop watching Schwarzenegger movies.
>
> I just read that as much as 10% of all people are psychopaths.
Again you write about yourself, you have a big big self, Frankie and you
want to make millions of dollars to feed it :-)
Mef
Frank de Groot wrote:
> War is war.
> He who starts a war should expect hardship in return.
I dunno, this seems like more of a police action to me! [cue rimshot].
Max
Frank de Groot wrote:
> "Max" <maxd...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > It's not slander people, it's libel! Rule of thumb: slander is spoken,
> > libel is written.
> >
> > Sorry for the outburst, but the fact that the subject keeps popping up
> > and the error seemed more popular by an order of magnitude was drving
> > me nuts
>
>
> It's very funny how, in the thread about "influence", said:
>
> "And it is irrelevant to the discussion".
>
> Slander or libel, it's also irrelevant to the discussion.
>
different topic. Nor did I single you out. You're not the only one
allowed to be pedantic.
> It's both a criminal offence and the difference is a technicality and the
> point isa that's it's constantly being DONE, not that it's spoken or
> written.
> Whatever. Who cares. Stop distracting attention from the issue.
I wasn't. You're the one who has nothing better to do but bring the
issue up at every opportunity. They must do things differently there.
It's not a criminal offence here. However, making threats against kids
is. It is also 100% unethical.
Vit, I would suggest notifying the authorities on this. He is likely
full of hot air as usual, but given the mental instability he has
demonstrated here, I wouldn't take any chances.
Frank, remember that you have left a written trail here. Anything
happens to Vit, we know who to start suspecting first.
Frank de Groot
> I wasn't. You're the one who has nothing better to do but bring the
> issue up at every opportunity.
Every time I'm attacked. Is that not allowed by you?
> It's not a criminal offence here.
What's not a criminal offence here?
> However, making threats against kids is.
Baloney.
I said I'll straighten him and his parents out.
I'm still going to do that, if he makes one more offensive posting in the
coming few years.
His parents will wish they never produced him, when I'm ready with them.
> It is also 100% unethical.
Oh, you mean unethical like the kids' idea of clicking on my Google ads, so
now I can't advertize on Google also anymore, my last remaining method of
advertizing?
Get real, freak.
The kids parents will be very sorry they let him do that.
They better fix the problem before I'll go to Olomouc (and Brno). There
still is time.
I would like to be compensated for the financial damage I incurrd, both in
terms of extra Google cost and in less advertizing exposure (lost sales
during the normally best period of the year).
Since he's a little kid, a good spanking, a grounding and cutting into his
pocket money may be a good solution.
If not, I consider it a declaration of war of his parents against me. I
wonder why they hate me so much that they want to pick a fight with me.
Really stupid idea, but who knows, they might be psychopaths too.
> Vit, I would suggest notifying the authorities on this. He is likely
> full of hot air as usual, but given the mental instability he has
> demonstrated here, I wouldn't take any chances.
If I were him I would indeed not take any chances either.
I would also notify the authorities if I were him.
Oh - soon I'll be in Brno and I'll visit him and his parents.
Perhaps he can inform the authorities about this too.
I don't have an exact dat though.
So I guess I'll just show up at his doorstep, one of these days.
> Frank, remember that you have left a written trail here. Anything
> happens to Vit, we know who to start suspecting first.
You forgot mentioning his parents :-)
It's not nice of you to insinuate such bad things about me.
Bad things happen to Czech kids all the time without my involvement.
Frank de Groot
> I would like to be compensated for the financial damage I incurrd, both in
> terms of extra Google cost and in less advertizing exposure (lost sales
> during the normally best period of the year).
To clarify, we're talking about an amount of money roughly equal to several
month's wages of both his parents.
What is to me a chunk of my income, is to them all their income.
My girlfriend says that what I make with my software would be considered a
king's ransom in Olomouc.
Or Brno.
What would the kid's parents think if I would manage to "remove" their
income for a few months?
I bet they won't like that.
Max
Frank de Groot wrote:
> "Max" <maxd...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > I wasn't. You're the one who has nothing better to do but bring the
> > issue up at every opportunity.
>
> Every time I'm attacked. Is that not allowed by you?
>
> > It's not a criminal offence here.
>
> What's not a criminal offence here?
>
> > However, making threats against kids is.
>
> Baloney.
> I said I'll straighten him and his parents out.
> I'm still going to do that, if he makes one more offensive posting in the
> coming few years.
> His parents will wish they never produced him, when I'm ready with them.
>
You intimated physical harm here and in other threads. The threats are
vague enough that you may not be convicted in this country, but would
definitely get you a full cavity search should you ever mouth them in
an airport.
> > It is also 100% unethical.
>
> Oh, you mean unethical like the kids' idea of clicking on my Google ads, so
> now I can't advertize on Google also anymore, my last remaining method of
> advertizing?
>
No more so than that harmless little joke.
> Get real, freak.
> The kids parents will be very sorry they let him do that.
> They better fix the problem before I'll go to Olomouc (and Brno). There
> still is time.
> I would like to be compensated for the financial damage I incurrd, both in
> terms of extra Google cost and in less advertizing exposure (lost sales
> during the normally best period of the year).
>
You would also like to live in a world where people can't see what a
nut job you are, I'm sure. Good luck proving your case. I hope the
authorities you speak to have a good laugh.
> Since he's a little kid, a good spanking, a grounding and cutting into his
> pocket money may be a good solution.
> If not, I consider it a declaration of war of his parents against me. I
> wonder why they hate me so much that they want to pick a fight with me.
> Really stupid idea, but who knows, they might be psychopaths too.
No, you're the only clearly insane person here.
>
> > Vit, I would suggest notifying the authorities on this. He is likely
> > full of hot air as usual, but given the mental instability he has
> > demonstrated here, I wouldn't take any chances.
>
> If I were him I would indeed not take any chances either.
> I would also notify the authorities if I were him.
>
Exactly my point.
> Oh - soon I'll be in Brno and I'll visit him and his parents.
> Perhaps he can inform the authorities about this too.
> I don't have an exact dat though.
> So I guess I'll just show up at his doorstep, one of these days.
>
Yup. There you go again. Feels good to threaten a little kid does it?
It's about all a coward like you can handle. Care to show up at my
doorstep?
>
> > Frank, remember that you have left a written trail here. Anything
> > happens to Vit, we know who to start suspecting first.
>
> You forgot mentioning his parents :-)
> It's not nice of you to insinuate such bad things about me.
> Bad things happen to Czech kids all the time without my involvement.
Bad things happen all the time to nutcases from your country w.out my
involvement. Even more frequently as you are obviously prone to
self-destructive behaviour.
Max
Except that you're not capable of it, legally or otherwise.
Frank de Groot
Max
4263 Duke st
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Bring it, bitch.
Frank de Groot
> 4263 Duke st
> Alexandria, VA 22304
> USA
>
> Bring it, bitch.
Thanks!
Now you'll be on my blog, with all the other psychopaths. (Care to send me a
picture, little pussy?)
Max
On your blog? Oh no! whatsoever shall I do now.
Care to send me your address, coward?