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javachip: ;)
javachip: since i'm American :) God bless America :)
womack: Yassuh, Goddess bless Amurica & Earth & damn to Hell all war
criminals & other murderers like HenKi, Obomber, Billary, Bushez usw
Javaness: the former CIA agent womack distributes shallow fox news
propaganda in the EGR
womack: "Javaness" quite the shameless liar, as ever
Warfreak2: why is womack even allowed on kgs at all
Warfreak2: does anyone think the place is improved by his presence
womack: Fearful "Warf" wannabee Speaker For All ?
Uberdude: he makes me laugh
baian: ??
Javaness: you admitted to working for the CIA
womack: Jness lies again.
Javaness: i have the transcript here
mightfly: Listen if all presidents and leaders in general are held
responsible for what happens during their term then all the worlds
leaders are war criminals.
womack: Break it out then?
Javaness: former CIA agent womack should be more careful in his
manouvering
womack: mightfly weak evasion
womack: Jness fails to produce claimed evidence
stumped: so womack is a agent provocateur all along
stumped: darn cant trust anyone nowaday
womack: A powerful kabal murdered the wee Rabbo Sisters. I have
written about this case many times, e.g:
womack: Results 1 - 10 of about 306 for "hal womack" Rabbo.
womack: on Google Groups Page.
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stumped: have you consider twiter
mightfly: Most countries like to ignore the fact that their people are
killing civilians ie(collateral damage) during operations on foreign
soil. The US just seems more guilty because it doesn't try to hide its
actions as much as other states.
womack: War criminals hate exposure, for obvious reasons
stumped: you would get a large following
womack: mitghtfly utterly delusional
womack: Old men like me find it harder to keep up w the social media
but does "stumped" wish to advise me via email, I will surely listen
Warfreak2: the US seems more guilty because it does most of the
actively-invading-other-countries
mightfly: I can't and often does not need to hide its actions because
it either tries to justify them, knows there is nothing anyone can do
about it, or provides more good to mediate the bad overall.
Warfreak2: if the US didn't hide and didn't need to hide its actions,
julian assange wouldn't be a wanted man for publicising them
mightfly: *It can't
stumped: is he still on the lam ?
mightfly: I didn't say it did not hide some actions just most
mightfly: i meant most are not hidden
Javaness: countries haven't stopped playing politics, and they won't
stop
Javaness: they all spy on each other
Warfreak2: how would you know how many actions the US is hiding?
mightfly: Plus do you think Britain russia and isreal are innocent?
Javaness: the end of the cold war changed nothing
Javaness: ask the KGB
Warfreak2: britain hasn't actively invaded any other countries in the
last 10 years
mightfly: the begginning of the cold war change nothing
Warfreak2: we are pretty terrible at not killing people though
Javaness: it did start a war with iceland :)
Warfreak2: but the US is 30k at not killing people
Javaness: even the USA didn't do that
mightfly: Please we are still finding out about actrocities from the
colonial era today british officials are trying to keep hidden
stumped: so britain wasnt in iraq?
Warfreak2: britain didn't invade iraq, we just tagged along and shot
some people
Warfreak2: stupid tony blair
Warfreak2: apparently god told him to
Warfreak2: what a bell-end
womack: My Net-friend Gideon Polya PhD of Melbourne has estimated
12,000,000 "excess deaths" resulting ftom US invasions since 1990
mightfly: heck there were japanese troops in iraq, when shooting
started think they said (translate to japanese) "oh no they are
shooting and we can't fire back because of the civilians!"
womack: Results 1 - 10 of about 1,520 for "hal womack" Polya. --from
Googe Groups Page again
stumped: im sure the people who got shot appreciate the subtlety
mightfly: Many call the USA the world's police or say that is what the
US is trying to be but it's more accurate to call the US the world's
mercenary.
womack: The Warshington Regime holds >2,000,000 Americans in prison,
while the cops routinely shoot down unarmed poor, colored young men in
the streets
mightfly: They ignore the russians selling guns to every corner of the
world the US isn't and some the US is.
mightfly: dangs those americans
mightfly: the truth is that is an internal issue of history and
culture american society needs to be redeveloped not cursed.
womack: mfly sounds like it playing in a corner of one of the many
rooms described in the new book TOP SECRET AMERICA by the 2 WaPo
reporters
mightfly: ?
womack: The honorable peeps in the USA & Planet-wide need to put the
murderers in jail
HelloCoder: Le Figaro estimated the human cost of Communism at 60
million people.
mightfly: I am done with reform redevelopment is the answer. enough
complaining especially from the countries sucking on the american teet
HelloCoder: I'm against war crime, and when I was in the Army I found
an entire series of manuals dedicated to military ethics. It contained
a candid and trenchant analysis of the leadership failures that led to
the My Lai Massacre.
womack: Bolshevism ravaged Russia whereas the revolutions in China &
Vietnam elevated their nations
womack: Best US Army comment on VN = SOLDIER! [~1972] by Lt Col
Anthony Herbert, a fine read by a real action hero
HelloCoder: Le Gulag Vietnamien, by Doan Van Toai, details the process
by which over a million Vietnamese lost their lives in purges and
death camps after the North took over; plus one million boat people
murdered by pirates or drowned
HelloCoder: I'm not saying the US is lily-white and blameless: far
from it. The world expects us to adhere to a much higher standard, and
I agree with that hope.
womack: HC & mfly playing in the same corner of the room
womack: HC's source sounds like ARVN, ie, the defeated puppet army
HelloCoder: In 1983, I readily found books critical of the US Armed
Forces' conduct of the war in Vietnam, in the base PX. Not hidden, but
right at the checkout where you couldn't miss 'em.
womack: Dinner time approaching here in San Francisco. Anyone with a
serious political remark welcome to email me.
womack: HC came way too late, missed all the fun.
HelloCoder: In democracy, one tries to make things better. In
dictatorships, grass roots reform efforts are ruthlessly suppressed.
HelloCoder: Oh, is it winding up now? Pity.
womack: JFK, RFK, Malcolm, Martin, 100+ leaders of the Black Panther
Party can teach us something about 'ruthless repression"
womack: Democracy died in the USA 77 years ago, when Bernard Baruch
got away with assassinating Senator Huey Long
HelloCoder: Agreed: it's not safe to challenge the status quo, when
there are armed nuts ready to gun ya down.
HelloCoder: But in India Gandhi's side eventually won. And Dr. King,
combining Gandhi's nonviolence with Christian forgiveness, definitely
carried his point.
womack: I met the #1 Armed Nut a week ago Friday. I represented 4th
Media* of Beijing interviewing Gen Martin Dempsey, chairman of JCS,
i.e. Top Dog
HelloCoder: The battle for freedom isn't over yet.
womack: One of the worse things about being dead = being prevented
from pointing out the later twisters
HelloCoder: One thing that often helps the sword is the pen. We've got
to find a way to exalt reason as a means of finding the truth, and let
the chips fall where they may.
womack: So, HC, would you like to begin an exchange of political ideas
in a permanent forum ?
HelloCoder: Yeah, I hate waking up dead. And then there's the time I
had used up all my sick days and had to call in "dead".
HelloCoder: ^^ Sure: what forum?
mightfly: Here is some fuel for you womack in michigan there is a
Michigan emergency manager law that is killing democracy here.
HelloCoder: I'm a senior admin at Conservapedia, but perhaps you had
something else in mind.
womack: Venue open for discussion, meanwhile I recommend
"talk.politics.guns,us.military.army,alt.gossip.celebrities" etc.
There are many choices
womack: Those are Usenet newsgroups
HelloCoder: I prefer moderated forums ... trolls and vandals distract
me too easily.
womack: The original Internet, ah, the Q of "moderation"
womack: For a long time I have proposed "twinning" newsgroups;
matching a censored version with an open one
mightfly: The truth is no current system is perfect and as long as
people are not perfectly trust worthy no grassroots movement to
supplant the need of government will arise.
womack: Prob w open = dumping aka spamming by malicious vandals
HelloCoder: Why not sign up at Conservapedia? A fresh viewpoint would
be welcome; I can show you the ropes and keep you out of trouble.
HelloCoder: @mf, well put!
qwazidan: in democratic theory .. grassroots is government
HelloCoder: One thing for democracy, flawed as it is; it ain't nearly
as bad as the other systems.
womack: Prob w "moderated" = That's just what the Sulzberger NYT, your
dying daily blat and Network TV are
mightfly: back @HCwell put
qwazidan: .. "top down" representative of the bottom up collective
interest
womack: HC: R U a skilled programmer or have one available?
HelloCoder: well it depends on who's doing the moderating. At
Conservapedia I can stop trolling and also UNDO censorship.
HelloCoder: Andy Schlafly is the kind
...
"Ironically, in The Mousetrap, Georgina Sutcliffe’s Mollie Ralston,
muses “perhaps you can’t trust anybody – perhaps everyone is a
stranger.*
> stumped: so womack is a agent provocateur all along
> stumped: darn cant trust anyone nowaday
Yagotta T S, rt?
Bettor's judgment?
Rattansi's a bit boggled but still throwing some chewy scraps. Jeffrey
St.Clair, the new master of COUNTERPUNCH
..............................................
"Will the U.S. Southern Bible Belt be told that a French Catholic
Bishop on the ground is reporting tens of thousands of Christians
driven out of Homs by de facto NATO policy?"
*
August 06, 2012
The Coming Blowback
The Syrian Mousetrap
by AFSHIN RATTANSI
> { Intro for newcomers:http://www.usgo.org/ > Welcome to the American Go Association }
> Welcome to the English Chat Room, the place to chat. [KGS]
> javachip: ;)
> javachip: since i'm American :) God bless America :)
> womack: Yassuh, Goddess bless Amurica & Earth & damn to Hell all war
> criminals & other murderers like HenKi, Obomber, Billary, Bushez usw
> Javaness: the former CIA agent womack distributes shallow fox news
> propaganda in the EGR
> womack: "Javaness" quite the shameless liar, as ever
> Warfreak2: why is womack even allowed on kgs at all
> Warfreak2: does anyone think the place is improved by his presence
> womack: Fearful "Warf" wannabee Speaker For All ?
> Uberdude: he makes me laugh
> baian: ??
> Javaness: you admitted to working for the CIA
> womack: Jness lies again.
> Javaness: i have the transcript here
> mightfly: Listen if all presidents and leaders in general are held
> responsible for what happens during their term then all the worlds
> leaders are war criminals.
> womack: Break it out then?
> Javaness: former CIA agent womack should be more careful in his
> manouvering
> womack: mightfly weak evasion
> womack: Jness fails to produce claimed evidence
> stumped: so womack is a agent provocateur all along
> stumped: darn cant trust anyone nowaday
> womack: A powerful kabal murdered the wee Rabbo Sisters. I have
> written about this case many times, e.g:
> womack: Results 1 - 10 of about 306 for "hal womack" Rabbo.
> womack: on Google Groups Page.
> sweety: 2012 North American Ing Masters & Strong Players Open Round 1
> is starting. Please join USGO's Demos at the top of the Active Games
> tab!
> stumped: have you consider twiter
> mightfly: Most countries like to ignore the fact that their people are
> killing civilians ie(collateral damage) during operations on foreign
> soil. The US just seems more guilty because it doesn't try to hide its
> actions as much as other states.
> womack: War criminals hate exposure, for obvious reasons
> stumped: you would get a large following
> womack: mitghtfly utterly delusional
> womack: Old men like me find it harder to keep up w the social media
> but does "stumped" wish to advise me via email, I will surely listen
> Warfreak2: the US seems more guilty because it does most of the
> actively-invading-other-countries
> mightfly: I can't and often does not need to hide its actions because
> it either tries to justify them, knows there is nothing anyone can do
> about it, or provides more good to mediate the bad overall.
> Warfreak2: if the US didn't hide and didn't need to hide its actions,
> julian assange wouldn't be a wanted man for publicising them
> mightfly: *It can't
> stumped: is he still on the lam ?
> mightfly: I didn't say it did not hide some actions just most
> mightfly: i meant most are not hidden
> Javaness: countries haven't stopped playing politics, and they won't
> stop
> Javaness: they all spy on each other
> Warfreak2: how would you know how many actions the US is hiding?
> mightfly: Plus do you think Britain russia and isreal are innocent?
> Javaness: the end of the cold war changed nothing
> Javaness: ask the KGB
> Warfreak2: britain hasn't actively invaded any other countries in the
> last 10 years
> mightfly: the begginning of the cold war change nothing
> Warfreak2: we are pretty terrible at not killing people though
> Javaness: it did start a war with iceland :)
> Warfreak2: but the US is 30k at not killing people
> Javaness: even the USA didn't do that
> mightfly: Please we are still finding out about actrocities from the
> colonial era today british officials are trying to keep hidden
> stumped: so britain wasnt in iraq?
> Warfreak2: britain didn't invade iraq, we just tagged along and shot
> some people
> Warfreak2: stupid tony blair
> Warfreak2: apparently god told him to
> Warfreak2: what a bell-end
> womack: My Net-friend Gideon Polya PhD of Melbourne has estimated
> 12,000,000 "excess deaths" resulting ftom US invasions since 1990
> mightfly: heck there were japanese troops in iraq, when shooting
> started think they said (translate to japanese) "oh no they are
> shooting and we can't fire back because of the civilians!"
> womack: Results 1 - 10 of about 1,520 for "hal womack" Polya. --from
> Googe Groups Page again
> stumped: im sure the people who got shot appreciate the subtlety
> mightfly: Many call the USA the world's police or say that is what the
> US is trying to be but it's more accurate to call the US the world's
> mercenary.
> womack: The Warshington Regime holds >2,000,000 Americans in prison,
> while the cops routinely shoot down unarmed poor, colored young men in
> the streets
> mightfly: They ignore the russians selling guns to every corner of the
> world the US isn't and some the US is.
> mightfly: dangs those americans
> mightfly: the truth is that is an internal issue of history and
> culture american society needs to be redeveloped not cursed.
> womack: mfly sounds like it playing in a corner of one of the many
> rooms described in the new book TOP SECRET AMERICA by the 2 WaPo
> reporters
> mightfly: ?
> womack: The honorable peeps in the USA & Planet-wide need to put the
> murderers in jail
> HelloCoder: Le Figaro estimated the human cost of Communism at 60
> million people.
> mightfly: I am done with reform redevelopment is the answer. enough
> complaining especially from the countries sucking on the american teet
> HelloCoder: I'm against war crime, and when I was in the Army I found
> an entire series of manuals dedicated to military ethics. It contained
> a candid and trenchant analysis of the leadership failures that led to
> the My Lai Massacre.
> womack: Bolshevism ravaged Russia whereas the revolutions in China &
> Vietnam elevated their nations
> womack: Best US Army comment on VN = SOLDIER! [~1972] by Lt Col
> Anthony Herbert, a fine read by a real action hero
> HelloCoder: Le Gulag Vietnamien, by Doan Van Toai, details the process
> by which over a million Vietnamese lost their lives in purges and
> death camps after the North took over; plus one million boat people
> murdered by pirates or drowned
> HelloCoder: I'm not saying the US is lily-white and blameless: far
> from it. The world expects us to adhere to a much higher standard, and
> I agree with that hope.
> womack: HC & mfly playing in the same corner of the room
> womack: HC's source sounds like ARVN, ie, the defeated puppet army
> HelloCoder: In 1983, I readily found books critical of the US Armed
> Forces' conduct of the war in Vietnam, in the base PX. Not hidden, but
> right at the checkout where you couldn't miss 'em.
> womack: Dinner time approaching here in San Francisco. Anyone with a
> serious political remark welcome to email me.
> womack: HC came way too late, missed all the fun.
> HelloCoder: In democracy, one tries to make things better. In
> dictatorships, grass roots reform efforts are ruthlessly suppressed.
> HelloCoder: Oh, is it winding up now? Pity.
> womack: JFK, RFK, Malcolm, Martin, 100+ leaders of the Black Panther
> Party can teach us something about 'ruthless repression"
> womack: Democracy died in the USA 77 years ago, when Bernard Baruch
> got away with assassinating Senator Huey Long
> HelloCoder: Agreed: it's not safe to challenge the status quo, when
> there are armed nuts ready to gun ya down.
> HelloCoder: But in India Gandhi's side eventually won. And Dr. King,
> combining Gandhi's nonviolence with Christian forgiveness, definitely
> carried his point.
> womack: I met the #1 Armed Nut a week ago Friday. I represented 4th
> Media* of Beijing interviewing Gen Martin Dempsey, chairman of JCS,
> i.e. Top Dog
> HelloCoder: The battle for freedom isn't over yet.
> womack: One of the worse things about being dead = being prevented
> from pointing out the later twisters
> HelloCoder: One thing that often helps the sword is the pen. We've got
> to find a way to exalt reason as a means of finding the truth, and let
> the chips fall where they may.
> womack: So, HC, would you like to begin an exchange of political ideas
> in a permanent forum ?
> HelloCoder: Yeah, I hate waking up dead. And then there's the time I
> had used up all my sick days and had to call in "dead".
> HelloCoder: ^^ Sure: what forum?
> mightfly: Here is some fuel for you womack in michigan there is a
> Michigan emergency manager law that is killing democracy here.
> HelloCoder: I'm a senior admin at Conservapedia, but perhaps you had
> something else in mind.
> womack: Venue open for discussion, meanwhile I recommend
> "talk.politics.guns,us.military.army,alt.gossip.celebrities" etc.
> There are many choices
> womack: Those are Usenet newsgroups
> HelloCoder: I prefer moderated forums ... trolls
