What is the Strongest GO software program
Grey Goo
I understand Go++ has a version 7 now but unless it's considerably stronger
than v.5 I'm not about to waste cash on it.
Any suggestions?
-
A couple of online programs I am aware of, and guaranteed to win maybe
half of the time. Known by names IGS, KGS, DashN, and a few others ...
- regards
- jb
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Grey Goo
old program you can think of.
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Eduardo Lopez Herrero
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> Well i'm interested in what would be the STRONGEST Go program, not just
> any old program you can think of.
They may be old, but if they are guaranteed to beat you about half of the
time, *regardless of your strength*, isn't that amazing?
Eduardo
Hans-Georg Michna
>They may be old, but if they are guaranteed to beat you about half of the
>time, *regardless of your strength*, isn't that amazing?
Eduardo,
what happens if you call in their guarantee?
Hans-Georg
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Grey Goo
"Eduardo Lopez Herrero" <edu...@gol.moc> wrote in message
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> "Grey Goo" <def...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:t39qi.8729$rX4.5633@pd7urf2no...
>> Well i'm interested in what would be the STRONGEST Go program, not just
>> any old program you can think of.
>
> They may be old, but if they are guaranteed to beat you about half of the
> time, *regardless of your strength*, isn't that amazing?
Maybe if you learn how to read one of these days, "Eduardo", you'll realize
he didn't say "YOU", ie, "one person". "He said win maybe half the time"
without specifying any more detail it would be safe to assume he meant
overall, ie; against all the players who play against it.
Whether he's right or wrong about that statement is neither here nor there.
You should learn how to read and comprehend English beyond toddler level.
Michael Alford
Jerk
Harry Sigerson
wrote:
> Jerk
>
<s> Tht must be one of the shortest criticisms in newsgroup history.
Harry.
Grey Goo
"Michael Alford" <ma...@aracnet.com> wrote in message
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Worthless retard
Grey Goo
"Harry Sigerson" <harrys...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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That's impressive considering that your boyfriend has a vocabulary of 200
words.
Mef
Last I heard the strongest go playing bot was a Chinese bot named
HandTalk...that was a little while ago though, more recently I've
heard alot of talk about Mogo, it's monte carlo methods are especially
strong on smaller board sizes.
Cheers,
Mef
Harry Sigerson
> That's impressive considering that your boyfriend has a vocabulary of 200
> words.
>
Should I take it from such humourlessness that you are American?
Or am I being unfair to Americans?
Then of course there is that continent's predilection to prurience.
Granted this is usenet and there exists a place for all contributors.
Just to spell it out, my comment to Michael was jocular not partisan.
========
You don't even write under your own name or perhaps you really are a Mr
Goo and dropped the 'Mac' part of your surname due to some antipathy to
names with the Scottish patronyimic? Who knows?
The really interesting part is your yahoo address.
As far as I know that '.ca' part labels it as of Canadian origin?
So perhaps you are Canadian? If so then I'm disappointed. Canucks are
usually quite equable.
The real 'bummer' (that relatively recent addition to what is becoming
less of a 'common' language) was the nickname 'defcon'. Now where did that
come from? Especially since you may be Canadian.
Still as I said this is usenet and who would want to miss out on your
erudition.
======
If you can spare the time look at...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/lettershome/pip/lzoti/
...that web page has a 'Listen Again' facility; though I don't know
whether you'll be afforded access to that.
Harry.
Michael Alford
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:42:58 GMT, "Grey Goo" <def...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Should I take it from such humourlessness that you are American?
> Or am I being unfair to Americans?
> Harry.
Stop bashing Americans and realize you're dealing with a common, garden
variety troll.
This group already has one of the more infamous Usenet trolls
"contributing", we don't need an amateur :-) Don't feed... aw, you know.
Michael
Harry Sigerson
wrote:
> Stop bashing Americans and realize you're dealing with a common, garden
> variety troll.
>
I know what you mean re trolling.
It's not that I'm 'bashing Americans' as you put it. I'm interested
in the use of language, conversational language.
As most of the English/American speaking world can also say this
next, it does not carry a lot of weight. I have been raised on 'movies',
the 'pictures', films, most of which are from Hollywood.
It seems to me that the bulk of cinema changes and has changed to
reflect the use of language as spoken by its audience. If for no other
reason than that time honoured Americanism, 'The customer is always
right'. If there is even some grain of truth in that then for me, who has
never lived in (nor holidayed there, which wouldn't really count) the way
people talk to each other in the States today is different from what it
must have been, let's say fifty years ago. Or else I had it all wrong all
along and abrasive discourse is the order of everyday conversation.
Even if on asking someone if they are American I get an answer I
really couldn't be sure the reply was true. Why should it be? Then again
that trait is reflected in this country's politics. In all of my voting
life since very early on if you asked someone if he voted Labour or Tory,
the Tory would either not tell you at all or be disinclined to give an
answer until he had 'found out' what you 'were up to'. That has changed a
bit these days but not all that much.
I'm told that if you travel in America in certain parts you will be
enquired of about God and religion.
I'll grant you that I don't cough up for the paid-for tv channels; of
an evening I'll look at what are called the BBC's terrestrial channels.
Someone called those the Council channels the other day, which is quite a
funny linking. Of all the dross that shows on terrestrial, the only thing
that shines is 'House'. I don't know who writes the scripts but they are
great, incisive and you have to pay close attention. Having said that, it
is doesn't count for much in relation to the idea, what's happening to
'conversational language'; of what it consists; of how and if it's
changed; is it changing and what influences this, if so.
We have a program on television called 'Big Brother'; it is home-
grown. It is supposed to be a reflection of reality. At least they call
such programs 'reality shows'. They are to say the very least unwatchable,
yet clearly BB has to reflect at least in some degree, current
'conversational language' among the late teens to early thirties in this
country. So if 'bashing' comes into my scheme of things it has to be the
spoken language of English that's bearing the brunt. Listen to the English
spoken as a second one language by many Eurpeans, Middle Easterners folk
from the Sub-Continent.
Am I wrong in saying that there is a general lowering in its use in
the two places where it is if you like 'at home'; is the first language
learned?
Or is it perhaps simply that the expansion of visual media in say the
last half-century is so massive that to fill every moment of every day of
every channel our cinema screens and televisions have to be filled with a
high percentage of dross? The BBC's Radio service just keeps on getting
better and better but it does require to have a bit of attention paid so
perhaps that has become just too big a chore for the colour-picture-needy?
> This group already has one of the more infamous Usenet trolls
> "contributing", we don't need an amateur :-) Don't feed... aw, you know.
>
It is an unfortunate label, troll.
Most will have been so tagged at some time; it's difficult not to be
- on the meat vs poison proposition.
Still better a bit of trolling than monitored posts.
Harry.
Grey Goo
>
>> That's impressive considering that your boyfriend has a vocabulary of 200
>> words.
>>
> Should I take it from such humourlessness that you are American?
Actually, I thought that YOU were american. The low IQ was a pretty big
hint. This low IQ theory has now been further corroborated by the fact that
you're too incredibly stupid to figure out that the .ca in def...@yahoo.ca
means Canadian.
I'm asking you this question seriously.....are you one of those
fetal-alcohol effects babies?
Grey Goo
> Harry Sigerson wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:42:58 GMT, "Grey Goo" <def...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>> Should I take it from such humourlessness that you are American? Or
>> am I being unfair to Americans?
>
>> Harry.
>
>
> Stop bashing Americans and realize you're dealing with a common, garden
> variety troll.
Actually moron, YOU are the troll. I am the legitimate poster who started a
serious, on-topic thread. You're a little peasant piece of trash with too
much time on your hands who's trolling and flaming. I know I shouldn't be
"feeding" you, because this is what trolls like yourself get off on.
Grey Goo
boyfriend alford are clearly the trolls here. And as trolls go you two are
among the most mentally-deficient and least educated of any I've seen.
You're even MORE devoid of intelligence than the average american. I know
that's saying alot, but in your case it's really true.
It's time for you and your faggot lover alford to stop annoying the adults
in usenet groups and find some other way to amuse yourself with your time on
the library computers. I wouldn't be surprised if both of you live in
trailer parks and eat most of your meals directly out of a can.
Grey Goo
legitimate poster here amongst the trolling idiots.
"Mef" <mwil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Michael Alford
You're the prick that criticized Eduardo's English. End of story.
Grey Goo
Your retarded boyfriend "eduardo" is too stupid to be allowed to live, let
alone post in a usenet group. He's of no use to anyone. When you learn how
to read, alfred, read over my initial post a few times until it sinks into
your mellon head. I specificially asked "What is the STRONGEST GO software
program", NOT, what are "a couple of online programs" some uneducated,
mannerless twat can think of.
Frank de Groot
> Any suggestions?
KCC Igo on the world title a few times in a row.
It's North Korean and it's program leader got executed for fraud and it is
rumored also/actually for plagiarizing Handtalk.
gaga
How strong is it then? Sensei's site and one of author's
(http://www.lri.fr/~gelly/MoGo.htm) do not say much except for the
results in comp. go tournaments which are impressive.
So anybody knows how strong does it play against humans on different
board sizes?
gaga
Juho P
> Mef wrote:
>> [...] more recently I've
>> heard alot of talk about Mogo, it's monte carlo methods are especially
>> strong on smaller board sizes.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mef
>>
>
> How strong is it then? Sensei's site and one of author's
> (http://www.lri.fr/~gelly/MoGo.htm) do not say much except for the
> results in comp. go tournaments which are impressive.
>
> So anybody knows how strong does it play against humans on different
> board sizes?
>
>
> gaga
MoGoBot on KGS claims to be MoGo, and is rated as 3k. Looking quickly,
it seems it actually was winning more than half of rated games when it
last played in June.
Juho P
ricoh51
CrazyStone has played 16 games against KCC Igo (KCConGUI) on KGS, 14
was won by Crazystone...
eric
ro...@telus.net
>"Michael Alford" <ma...@aracnet.com> wrote in message
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>
>> You're the prick that criticized Eduardo's English.
>
>Your retarded boyfriend "eduardo" is too stupid to be allowed to live, let
>alone post in a usenet group. He's of no use to anyone. When you learn how
>to read, alfred, read over my initial post a few times until it sinks into
>your mellon head. I specificially asked "What is the STRONGEST GO software
>program", NOT, what are "a couple of online programs" some uneducated,
>mannerless twat can think of.
??? ROTFL!!
Eduardo (who also happends to be fluent in Spanish and Japanese) was
(gently and politely) making fun of your failure to get jb's little
joke. You were not smart enough to get Eduardo's hint, either.
See if you are smart enough to get it now that I have drawn you a
diagram. I'm betting not.
-- Roy L
EinarDogfin
Renli
> It is an unfortunate label, troll.
> Most will have been so tagged at some time; it's difficult not to be
> - on the meat vs poison proposition.
> Still better a bit of trolling than monitored posts.
Frankly in our case monitored posts would be better. I'm a member of
several private lists and blogs and frankly it's just a better
environment.
-
Harry Sigerson
wrote:
> Frankly in our case monitored posts would be better. I'm a member of
> several private lists and blogs and frankly it's just a better
> environment.
>
Your point of view is impregnable, based straightforwardly on
some of the results that arise when complete 'freedom of expression'
wafts under one's nose.
It's almost an age-old (or should that be old-age) topic.
Recall the early days of Compuserve's forums; the CIS era, before
it all went web-pagey.
There were contributors who were designated 'in charge' of each
forum. The warnings and suspensions and even service withdrawals that
the 'chargehand' could decide to level against 'perps' <s> was quite
potent.
The trouble was that the volume of protest and counter protest
against these sanctions could on occasion swamp the whole purpose of
the forums -- it was such a pain. The good thing about that early CIS
was that it had a good threading system.
I recall the absolute dross that arose from the subject of
foxhunting, in this country. Now that got so bad it became a mini-
apartheid. Yet there should have been no problem really, just leave
the foxes alone - but let's leave that fly sticking to the wall.
One forum existing then, was the UK 'Fleet Street' site. That had
to have a chargehand too it was part of the required settings-up of a
forum. However that early CIS forum, 'Fleet St', almost never
penalised numpties. The level of mass-sarcasm turned on them must have
been so wearing; and rarely a cuss word used in their coralling. They
didn't stick around long. Okay, perhaps the level of discussion - in
whichever topic was flavour of the moment - required reading topical
news. That alone may have precluded a lot of entries.
In any case you had to have a thick skin if your own entry posts
were, let's say below par; *but* the general standard of post was
worth a read. It was one of a kind.
With the demise of that early CIS software, that particular
'forum' moved on through a few ISPs. It has been settled down in one
for some time. There have been quite a few hiatal periods of dullness
in FS since then. Indeed it is now more than ever a place where
freelancers reflect on and discussthe problems of their business - as
self-employed journalists.
I think it's, to say the least, the humourless abuse that blights
usenet. You get the impression that there are a lot of folk 'out
there' who don't really like themselves a lot. I can never figure out
why, after all, of all the folk you know your own self has to be the
most boring. Everything you think of doing, have done, plan to do, is
known to you. If there is anything of real interest it has to be what
is going on with other folk.
If the individual user in newsgroups does not figure this out
could his purpose be to have his ego if not polished at least not
booted up the arse.
As you may have noticed I'll ask where contributors are from.
This is for my own interest and comparison. Regarding that comparing,
I do the same thing in everyday life as I listen to the use of spoken
English in the UK. What I hear in this area and what I hear when in
say the London area.
It affects so many things. Right now we are having a spate of
young men, even teenagers shooting and stabbing - each other and
authority figures. When you listen to their spoken use of the
language, it'll be full of, e.g., ("ye knaow wot ah mean")s, reaching
a frequency where the phrase becomes a sonic full-stop. Then again
that's how language 'grows', I suppose. It seems that simply pausing
between sentences is almost anathema; I suppose the filling all
potential pauses when they have the floor is adopted in case anyone
jumps into their speaking space.
Eets a fahny aowld waowld. As they say here dahn sahf, 'Ningland.
Harry.