Re: Japanese art including Go Board ? in musée de l'érotisme Paris
Louise Bremner
> There is a 10x10 board in this rather enigmatic picture.
> Is it a go board with artistic licence - or something else ?
Shogi, not Go (if you can't tell from the number of lines and the
relative dimensions of the board, the box for the pieces and lack of go
bowls gives a couple more hints).
As if anyone is interested in the surroundings....
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> There is a 10x10 board in this rather enigmatic picture.
> Is it a go board with artistic licence - or something else ?
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> I'll try for a better picture next year.
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> http://87.74.17.200/~richard/misc/GoBoardInEroticContext.jpeg
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> Warning if you are very easily offended, don't click on the link.
> (museum of erotic art - www.musee-erotisme.com )
This is an early woodblock print by Harunobu, and a 'shunga'
with a Shogi board and box on top for the pieces.
Sensi Tiger
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> Shogi, not Go
sigh,
so that explains why this picture has never appeared on the cover of the
Go World... :P
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> richard mullens <mullensd...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> There is a 10x10 board in this rather enigmatic picture.
>> Is it a go board with artistic licence - or something else ?
trap_for_...@yahoo.com (Louise Bremner) wrote:
> Shogi, not Go (if you can't tell from the number of lines and
> the relative dimensions of the board, the box for the pieces
> and lack of go bowls gives a couple more hints).
It seems fairly clear, from the evidence of 10x10 Go at
Matsumoto Castle, that Go was also played on Shogi Boards.
Having three colors in the example shown therein might
also establish why three people appear in this "shunga,"
Rather baffling to Westerners might be the amount of time
the Japanese devote to bathhouses and onsen (hot springs).
I understand that there are persuasive arguments for
things being as they appear to be rather than what they
could be if they are not what they seem to be. In this
depiction we also find the photographer's fingers getting
in the act. There are two "bowls", so to speak, supplied
by the picture within a picture of a water dipper, then in
the foreground what appears to be an actual dipper or
teapot. Whether something is Shogi or Go may be getting
lost on the participants.
"Sensi Tiger" <sensi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ... so that explains why this picture has never appeared on the
> cover of the Go World...
Shogi World has also been reluctant to claim its abstruse origins.
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- jb
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Michael Alford
Well jb, perhaps the photographer is from one of those neocon religious
sects gathering evidence for good old traditional family values: since
one of the figures is a child, it's obvious sex education belongs in the
traditional family home, not in public schools... :-)
Michael
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Michael Alford <ma...@aracnet.com> wrote:
> ...perhaps the photographer is from one of those neocon religious
> since one of the figures is a child, it's obvious sex education
> belongs in the traditional family home, not in public schools... :-)
To those who make quibbling over Shogi vs. Go allow me
to point out that Shogi spelled backwards is " igohs " which
is a common Japanese pronunciation for the Game of Go.
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- jb
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Geishas were trained to play Go too, in order to entertain their
customers. I have several Shunga prints showing Go boards in my
collection. There is one from Harunobu from ca. 1765 where a Shogi
board is on top of a Go board. You can find a less erotic Harunobu
Shunga print on the cover of one of the last Go World magazines.
Best regards,
Erwin Gerstorfer
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Here is a Harunobu Geisha print with a Shogi board on
to of a Go board.
http://www.pandanet.co.jp/English/art/classics.html
richard mullens
> There is a 10x10 board in this rather enigmatic picture.
> Is it a go board with artistic licence - or something else ?
>
> I'll try for a better picture next year.
>
>
> http://87.74.17.200/~richard/misc/GoBoardInEroticContext.jpeg
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>
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> Warning if you are very easily offended, don't click on the link.
> (museum of erotic art - www.musee-erotisme.com )
Thanks to all posters for providing enlightenment.
Richard