Dumbest GO computer program
kgboom
Im looking for DUMBEST GO computer program.
Im very poor GO player and i have never win with GNUGO, so im looking
for something less "inteligent" (like random moves of oponnent;)
Cheers.
Frank de Groot
> Im looking for DUMBEST GO computer program.
Freeware: Wally.
Payware: SmartGo.
Tom Sawyer
Play GNUGo on a lower level and a smaller board and with a handicap :-)
dmartin
Play IdiotBot on KGS...
kgboom
> Freeware: Wally.
> Payware: SmartGo.
I have never been able to compile Wally.c under Linux :/
And SmartGO is too expensive for "DUMBEST" Go software :) (And its
written for Windows).
On Jun 29, 2:13 pm, Tom Sawyer <tom.saw...@timtomtim.com> wrote:
> Play GNUGo on a lower level and a smaller board and with a handicap :-)
I have already playing on lowest possible level etc..
And even old GnuGO 1.1 from 1989 is too hard to me :/
On Jun 29, 2:30 pm, dmartin <dmar...@irisa.fr> wrote:
> Play IdiotBot on KGS...
Im looking for offline software :/
dmartin
totally random except if it can capture, then it capture.
Did you try that:
gnugo -D 0 -B 0 --backfill2-depth 0 -m 0 --level 0 -F 0 -K 0
--branch-depth 0 --aa-depth 0 --nofusekidb --nojosekidb
It's like no reading, No DB.
kgboom
> Did you try that:
> gnugo -D 0 -B 0 --backfill2-depth 0 -m 0 --level 0 -F 0 -K 0
> --branch-depth 0 --aa-depth 0 --nofusekidb --nojosekidb
>
> It's like no reading, No DB.
Yours command line have some errors. But i have correct it:
/usr/games/gnugo -D 0 -B 0 -m 0 -F 0 -K 0 --branch-depth 0 --aa-depth
0 --nofusekidb --nojosekidb
At 19x19 GnuGO is pretty dumb(?) in ~70% of moves but in 9x9 is still
superior :/
Only GO software that i can beat is:
http://www.361points.com/atarigo/
but its not a classic GO :/
ro...@telus.net
Why not just play some human players, get stronger, and beat the
comps?
-- Roy L
kgboom
> Why not just play some human players, get stronger, and beat the
> comps?
>
> -- Roy L
etc. etc.
Gregorio Morales
Well, say where you are from, and maybe you will find somebody from
your area reading ;)
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> Hello mates
>
> Im looking for DUMBEST GO computer program.
> Im very poor GO player and i have never win with GNUGO, so im looking
You will remain a poor Go player if you seek the "DUMBEST"
and less "inteligent".
Instead, try to play the best possible. And don't play
random moves.
JeffB
The free 9x9 version of many Faces of Go is available here -
http://www.smart-games.com/igowin.html
It will automatically give (or take) a handicap based on your game
performance. You really need to learn from real people too - only
playing bots can teach you bad habits.
--
JeffB
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Random moves is not the DUMBEST possible. The DUMBEST
computer program only needs to fill in its own eyes, avoid playing
on opponent liberties (when possible), avoid all passing, and never
resigning, of course.
The player who plays that DUMBEST computer program must be
fairly dumb, as well. The players who reply to the player who seeks
to be fairly dumb must also be somewhat dumb. Dumbness exerts
quite a lot of magnetic attraction in a world without any professionals.
- regards
- jb
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ro...@telus.net
>On Jun 29, 8:25 pm, r...@telus.net wrote:
>> Why not just play some human players, get stronger, and beat the
>> comps?
>>
>Im not live in Japan... And i dont know any human players in my area
>etc. etc.
If you say where that is, we might be able to direct you to nearby
players. There are also a number of go servers on the Net, of which
KGS is often considered friendly to beginners.
-- Roy L
tpthu...@gmail.com
Try this look to earn referrals and points for a Nintendo Wii gaming
system. It's easy to do and doesn't take that much effort.
kgboom
> The player who plays that DUMBEST computer program must be
> fairly dumb, as well.
You dont need to be rude, you know ?
Its natural that newbie player will seek for EQUAL opponent instead of
9dan professional.
Dont you think ?
Its really NOT fun to play few hundreds games with GnuGO and always
loosing.
ro...@telus.net
>On Jun 30, 12:41 am, jazzerci...@hotmail.com (-) wrote:
>> The player who plays that DUMBEST computer program must be
>> fairly dumb, as well.
>
>You dont need to be rude, you know ?
You obviously don't know Jeff very well....
>Its natural that newbie player will seek for EQUAL opponent instead of
>9dan professional.
It's actually best to play players a little stronger than yourself:
strong enough that you see them doing things you didn't think of, but
not so strong that you can't understand why they are doing them.
>Its really NOT fun to play few hundreds games with GnuGO and always
>loosing.
Why don't you just take a bigger handicap? Go is not like other
games. Even a very small difference in skill is generally decisive,
so to have a chance of winning, the weaker player takes a handicap.
If you lose, just take a bigger handicap.
If you are still not able to beat GnuGo after hundreds of games, you
have probably developed a "blind spot" that makes you commit the same
error over and over again. A human player should be able to identify
it almost instantly.
-- Roy L
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>> jazzerci...@hotmail.com (-) wrote:
>>> The player who plays that DUMBEST computer program
>>> must be fairly dumb, as well.
> kgboom <kgb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You dont need to be rude, you know ?
Dumb people, dumb questions, dumb projects are more
rude than the lack of them.
ro...@telus.net wrote:
> You obviously don't know Jeff very well....
Rude moves are not best. However rude moves occur and
players need to know how to cope with rude moves. Ever visit a
martial arts studio or drive crowded streets during road rage hours?
>> Its natural that newbie player will seek for EQUAL opponent
>> instead of 9dan professional.
> It's actually best to play players a little stronger than yourself:
> strong enough that you see them doing things you didn't think of, but
> not so strong that you can't understand why they are doing them.
There's no "best" about it. Maybe better than "best" to be born
into some family of 9-dan professionals, be playing Go before ever
seeing an M&M, and be encouraged by lack of food whenever losing.
>> Its really NOT fun to play few hundreds games with GnuGO
>> and always loosing.
Translation: it's really NOT fun to sustain hundreds of
reincarnations on Planet Earth and be always dying. Might
as well become a quitter, die now, and avoid the rush?
> Why don't you just take a bigger handicap? Go is not like other
> games. Even a very small difference in skill is generally decisive,
> so to have a chance of winning, the weaker player takes a handicap.
> If you lose, just take a bigger handicap.
Why not just improve so that he can give a bigger handicap?
What makes Go (a natural game) different from other natural games?
If you lose on one area of the board maybe you can win on another.
> If you are still not able to beat GnuGo after hundreds of games, you
> have probably developed a "blind spot" that makes you commit the
> same error over and over again. A human player should be able
> to identify it almost instantly.
Of course there was only ONE error, so this should be a simple fix...
- regards
- jb
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grikdog
Ah! I see the problem. You have fallen into the trap of practicing
your mistakes, so you're getting better and better at making
mistakes. Without a teacher to rap you on the head when you do this,
it's going to be difficult to improve, but maybe you can try igowin?
It starts you off at a very large handicap, and once you beat that
level (which you CAN DO, I promise ;-) it reduces your handicap stone
by stone. At 9k you're still playing black, then at 8k the computer
plays black and forces you to take white. Aside from a couple of 4
dans in the local club, our best low kyu player can force igowin down
to 5 kyu, while his rating against human beings is about 9 kyu AGA.
(The conclusion I draw from this is that igowin is pretty dumb,
actually.)
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grikdog <dco...@pobox.com> wrote:
> ... [ Igowin ] starts you off at a very large handicap, and once you beat
> stone by stone. At 9k you're still playing black, then at 8k the computer
> plays black and forces you to take white. Aside from a couple of 4
> dans in the local club, our best low kyu player can force igowin down
> to 5 kyu, while his rating against human beings is about 9 kyu AGA.
> (The conclusion I draw from this is that igowin is pretty dumb,
> actually.)
Confusing. The rating of Igowin will not change appreciably
if it is not a learning computer program. Even with regards to the
learning computer programs we may assume that they have already
been subjected to much learning prior to their release. So the
players do not "force Igowin down" but rather compel their own
relative improvement. The rating of 5 kyu that `grikdog' mentions
applies to the player, not to Igowin. The "pretty dumb" conclusion
concerning 5 kyu vs 9 kyu is contrasting player ratings irrespective
of any rating assigned to Igowin. Corrected ratings for computer
programs may be required if some "crack" is widely publicized.
- regards
- jb
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dmartin
Roderick Random
Roderick Random
Gohst @
few stones to start out, (and only plays 9x9) it's fairly easy to beat.
Once you start to win, the handicap goes down, until eventually you give
stones to igowin. Just don't believe anything about the "rank" it
displays. That's not related to any real rank.... it's all for fun.
And, if you're making really dumb moves, try using this site to learn...
it's invaluable to a beginner:
http://playgo.to/interactive/index.html
-- Gohst
Gohst @
Plus, people will just give up on a game, if they can't see any light at
the end of the tunnel. Have some fun... download igowin.exe, and let it
give you 4 stones (or is it 5... can't remember).
-- Gohst
-----Original Message-----
From: kgboom [mailto:kgb...@gmail.com]
Posted At: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:19 AM
Posted To: rec.games.go
Conversation: Dumbest GO computer program
Subject: Re: Dumbest GO computer program
Robert Maas, see http://tinyurl.com/uh3t
> Im looking for DUMBEST GO computer program.
Why? Below you don't at all give a good reason:
> Im very poor GO player and i have never win with GNUGO, so im looking
> for something less "inteligent" (like random moves of oponnent;)
All you really need is *any* program that will allow you to play
first on 5 by 5 board, but not one which resigns as soon as it
thinks you have an assured win. Get a program that insists on
fighting it out to the bitter end no matter who it calculates may
be "winning".
All you have to do then is play in center on first move, then try
to kill whatever stone the program plays next. If that
first-opponent-stone is left isolated, it takes at most four
additional moves to kill it. If the opponent adds stones next to it
to make a group, it may take a few more moves to kill it all. If
you can accomplish that simple task, nevermind any subsequent moves
in the game, you've risen above the absolute beginner level.
For your second goal, after killing that first opponent's stone
(and anything connected to it of course), try to kill all the rest
of the opponent's stones that were played later. Don't let the
opponent kill any of your original stones (used to kill first
opponent's stone), but it's OK to occasionally sacrifice stones to
ruin eye shape of opponent's one-eyed group. When you can achieve
that goal, you've risen two levels above absolute beginner.
Bruce Tomlin
kgboom <kgb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello mates
>
> Im looking for DUMBEST GO computer program.
> Im very poor GO player and i have never win with GNUGO, so im looking
> for something less "inteligent" (like random moves of oponnent;)
>
> Cheers.
Probably the dumbest program I've ever played against was PilotGo (I
think that's what it was called) for the Palm Pilot.
All I had to do was throw it a bone, er I mean a stone, and it would
waste two moves attacking it while I improved my position elsewhere.
It's been a long time, but I think what it was attacking was enemy
stones inside its own territory.