godiscussions.com likes fearless leadership too!
Big Duck
I am proud to introduce to you the newest member in the fearless leader
community. It would be godiscussion.com. They have followed all my lessons
here :
1. They have provided a free service to the many many go players
2. They have become popular
3. They have the praise and admiration of many many users
This is all good!
What should godiscussions.com do with this favorable
position?
4. They should ban people from their service that is what!
I must admit , that godiscussions.com has taken banning to a new level. If
they don't like you, even if you have never posted a single thing to their
website, you get banned - period! You cannot even read the posts from other
users. Ban them.
I feel so proud to have given all these instructions for so long and see
godiscussions take banning to a whole new level.
This is very good!
Congratulations - you have become arbitrary and petty and have used your
power to send out messages and punishments to users that you do notlike,
even those that have never posted to your site. Decide you don't like them
and then ban them from not just posting to your site, but from even reading
your site.
May I be the first to commend godiscussions.com for using their status as a
leader in the go community as an opportunity to punish people!
Thank you, I am alway amazed at the ingenuity of go players and go
organizations when it comes to petty bannings and power projection!
Your friend,
Big Duck
Frank de Groot
> I must admit , that godiscussions.com has taken banning to a new level.
> If they don't like you, even if you have never posted a single thing to
> their website, you get banned - period! You cannot even read the posts
> from other users. Ban them.
Speaking as someone who's banned from just about every major Western Go
website, I still think that there is "good banning" and "bad banning".
Bad banning is banning that damages the Go community by denying them
information, or banning due to commercial motives (allegiances with
competing products), or banning due to ego-reasons (petty antipathy) .
Good banning is banning that prevents (law-violating) attacks on others, of
the like we have seen here and on Sensei's Library, where people were
falsely accused of running a piracy operation, or assassination squads and
the like.
Good banning is banning those that spread pirated software and I can think
of several other reasons why someone would be banned for wholly sensible and
defensible reasons.
So - the question is - WHY did the banning take place?
(I'm not interested in who got banned - no idea - perhaps it me :-)
-
> "Big Duck" <hit...@itsallmine.com> wrote:
>> I must admit , that godiscussions.com has taken banning to a
>> new level. If they don't like you, even if you have never posted
>> a single thing to their website, you get banned - period!
>> You cannot even read the posts from other users. Ban them.
"Frank de Groot" <fr...@moyogo.com> wrote:
> Speaking as someone who's banned from just about every major Western
> Go website, I still think that there is "good banning" and "bad banning".
There is also "ugly banning" for bans that are neither "good" nor "bad."
But let's look on the bright side, i.e. what vvvvvv.GODisCussions.Com
unbans. Here are some crucial posts by "american-insei" for example,
who lives in Milton Freewater, OR, as `skutah' on KGS, with 14 KYUties:
http://www.godiscussions.com/go/users/show/1668
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(a) okay, so my life doesn't suck all the time. - posted on
Sun May 20 02:29:07 EDT 2007
i just now have gotten out of the shower after getting home from my
first dance. how many girls did i dance with you ask? ....humma
humma....i'd say 5 not counting my sister. they played all kinds of
cool music! Everybody was bouncing, slowdancing (i had that pleasure
4 times. twice with two different girls. and i also had a slowdance with
these other two girls. aint i lucky? ^_^).....um....DAMIT! i forgot to
go see my girlfriend....ah, if it don't work out i'll always have some
girls at church.
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(b) i had an interesting dream - posted on
Thu May 17 20:23:29 EDT 2007
i was at some kidy play(barny like crap), and hinata (naruto's hinata)
was looking into my eyes. and neji was on stage looking through the
curtains at me. really weird.
crap. my tvs acting up.
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(c) i eat quite a bit, yet i don't gain weight. - posted on
Tue May 15 16:43:50 EDT 2007
i can eat a foot long sub from subway (tm) and not gain a pound. and i
can also eat a hundred gogurts and not gain a thing exept a sugar rush.
i am currently writing a soccer novel that i plan to have made into an
animated movie. all i have to do is get the big movie guys in japan to
like it, then i have adoring fans.
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(d) a few reasons why my life sucks. that right i said sucks. - posted on
Wed May 09 03:19:19 EDT 2007
1: a korean pro from somewhere in europe was in portland AND I MISSED
HIM!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
2: my girlfriend's mom wouldn't let my girlfriend come to my b-day party.
3: because of said girlfriend not coming to party, i have been looking
at hentai on the web. (and i don't feel good like they said i would.)
4: on the same topic, i have also been depressed and have had thoughts
of suicide. (i'm the dude who brought it up on kgs.)
5: need i go on? fine. because of said depression, i can't find the
spirit to write my novel. THANKS A LOT GIRLFRIEND'S MOM!!
BECAUSE OF SAID MOM, THE WORLD MIGHT BE DEPRIVED OF GOOD TALENT!!!!
I HOPE SHE SEES THIS!!!!!
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(e) a story. and if you copy it i'll hunt you down. - posted on
Sat May 05 16:35:08 EDT 2007
long ago, before the pyramid's birth, spirits roamed the earth. among
them were the gaurdians that kept balance between the spirits and
humans. earth, fire, water, and air.
the four gaurdians worked with all their power, only to fall at the
hands of the spirit rebelion. all seemed lost, until one spring day,
when the storm of the spirit rebelion stopped for the first time in a
century.
on that day, two children were born. both from different families, and
both with awesome power.
this is the story...of Gaurdian Gaia
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(f) in portland...um, vancouver. - posted on
Fri May 04 01:05:40 EDT 2007
captain's log, star-date...may 3rd. the only thing good about this
place is the hotel pool&spa and the sushi. (gotta have that sushi. yum
yum!) the tv sucks, and i missed smallvile. *THE ONLY GOOD THING ON!*
well, james bond is on, so i guess that's good. not the new one, this
one is golden eye. i have pizza face (chin really) because my brother
made me shave.
i'm really shy, which is why i hang out on forums. i'm too shy to call
my gf, so i'm thinking of starting a letter sending thing. i recently
had a discussion with my dad on time travel and the theory of
relativity, and i found that the furture has already happened and
we're just having to live the present day by freaking day.
in closing, live life to the fullest and don't hang onto the past. the
past exists to inform and educate us, not cause us grief. ....scotty,
energize!
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Those recent posts (a), (b), (c), (d), (e), (f) summed up as crucial
information for readers at the vvvvvv.GODisCussions.Kom , and are
now being relayed to rec.games.go because "Bantari" did not fulfill
a request to do so. This represents one general focus for GD news.
His frequency of posting is approximately 2 days per post: prolific.
Thread highlights initiated by "american-insei" include:
(1) anybody here recently puchase something on ebay?
(2) i found this library book...
(3) Gosh!
(4) check this baby out!
(5) Hello! ( 1 2)
(6) I think....
(7) anyone here...
So it is perhaps very important for people who do not frequent
vvvvvv.GODisCussions.Kom to receive the benefit of relayed news
about breakthrough discoveries for Go, with its high fault tolerance.
- regards
- jb
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Dirt At Your Face
> Dear beloved readers and friends on rec.games.go,
>
> I am proud to introduce to you the newest member in the fearless leader
> community. It would be godiscussion.com.
A fearless leader hiding behind the forum's cloak or the one according to this
Whois data, i.e.
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=godiscussions.com&prog_id=godaddy?
Dirt At Your Face
Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.
Registrant:
Donald Lair
5923J Highdale Cir
Alexandria, Virginia 22310
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: GODISCUSSIONS.COM
Created on: 30-Mar-06
Expires on: 30-Mar-08
Last Updated on: 31-Mar-07
Administrative Contact:
Lair, Donald dla...@yahoo.com
5923J Highdale Cir
Alexandria, Virginia 22310
United States
(703) 966-5359
Technical Contact:
Lair, Donald dla...@yahoo.com
5923J Highdale Cir
Alexandria, Virginia 22310
United States
(703) 966-5359
Domain servers in listed order:
NS.LIQUIDWEB.COM
NS1.LIQUIDWEB.COM
Please feel free to add all the proclaimed fearless leaders in that *dirt forum*
anytime.
Dirt At Your Face
news:46501fad....@news.isomedia.com...
Humorous but nothing dramatic. Not aleast by Seung-Hui Cho's standard.
Gohst @
muchacho, it's all good! ;<) The reason so many people gravitate to
godiscussions.com is that they don't have to read nonsense like this.
Usenet is dying because lots of newgroups have become havens for folks
who, for their own reasons, won't make any attempt at civility or
rational discourse. Some say that the unfettered "discussion" here is a
good thing (and it can be that, at times), but for those of us who have
a day job, it's all about signal-to-noise. If you only have 15 minutes
at night to browse through some Go posts, where's the most productive
place to do that, hmmm?
Here's an interesting article for ya, Duck. It's about the problems with
trying to contain trolls without disemboweling real discourse. Well
worth the read.
How To Keep Hostile Jerks From Taking Over Your Online Community
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1996000
05
-- Gohst
Gohst @
godiscussions.com. It's no secret... you could ask anyone there, and
they'd tell you. He's got a little bio up on the site, and links to his
other web pages.
So, your point in publishing the (freely available) whois info was
*what* again?
Sometimes it's hard to understand what people write here... try to frame
your points in better English next time. Not sure what you mean by
"Please feel free to add all the proclaimed fearless leaders in that
*dirt forum* anytime."
-- Gohst
-----Original Message-----
From: Dirt At Your Face [mailto:Handfu...@CheapDirt.com]
Posted At: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:54 AM
Posted To: rec.games.go
Conversation: godiscussions.com likes fearless leadership too!
Gohst @
looks like. If it happens again, the last two chars in the URL are "05".
You'll have to put it together again manually.
Still well worth the read.
Harry Fearnley
Re the broken URI:
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1996000
05
Gohst wrote:
> Sorry about that, the URL below got auto-wrapped when it was posted,
> looks like. If it happens again, the last two chars in the URL are "05".
> You'll have to put it together again manually.
I went to http://tinyurl.com (a free service which anyone can use),
put in the full URI (glued together!), and got the following URIs:
Or, give your recipients confidence with a preview TinyURL:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3cnqry
> Still well worth the read.
Yes -- my Tiny URL above is to the printable version -- fewer adverts
--
Harry Fearnley -- bestiaries, seki, ... http://www.goban.demon.co.uk
Planar
"Gohst" <Gohstlee AT (@) yahoo DOT com> wrote:
> Usenet is dying because lots of newgroups have become havens for folks
Death of Usenet predicted! News at eleven!
Sorry, I just couldn't resist... This was already an old
joke when I started reading Usenet in 1989.
--
Planar
remove .invalid from my address to send me mail
"Surprise. Then just use AGA rules and that's it." - Robert Jasiek
Ben Finney
> Death of Usenet predicted! News at eleven!
>
> Sorry, I just couldn't resist... This was already an old joke when I
> started reading Usenet in 1989.
Indeed. Balkanising discussions by having them take place on a single
server that goes away as soon as a single organisation decides they're
not interested in supporting it, *and* having them take place behind a
wall that I can only get inside via a crappy web front end instead of
a client that behaves the way I choose -- well, Usenet has been around
a long time and seen countless thousands of such services rise and
fall.
I'll trust decentralised and standards-based over the inverse.
--
\ "Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I |
`\ guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis." -- Jack |
_o__) Handey |
Ben Finney
Blocher's spokesman
The point of the post is that godiscussions is another site run by a man who
uses his [small] power to ban people that are part of the go community.
In my case, I cannot even read the forum, [for goodness sake]! Its not like
my posting priveledges were taken away, I mean I cannot even read the forum.
I have never even made a post to the forum. I did try to register and was
blocked from registering - but to be so petty as to not even allow someone
to read the forum - I mean, get real
However, like all fearless leaders he has provided a free service which
people like, and he has put all his tireless efforts into creating the
forum to good use- to banning people. To ban a member of the go community,
not some troll that comes along and knows absolutely nothing about go, but a
member that has played for over 25 years. Godiscussions gets to pick the
naughty players and bans them from reading the forum. It is pretty funny.
I must assume that I am banned for my Big Duck posting, which in essence are
parodies on bannings.
I get banned from IGS for making parodies about IGS banning policies.
I get banned from godiscussions.com, for making parodies about banning
policies too?
Please do not construe this as whining. I am actually quite amused at the
petty spirit of some in the go community.It seems that people that build a
nice site or go server just cannot help themselves when it comes to banning
folks- it must be a real power-ego thing.
Of course godiscussions has a right to ban me. But why would the site want
to ban a person that has never made a single post to his website - and make
the ban so severe that reading the website is banned?
I do not know. I guess I will go hang out on KGS, where folks are not
banned for expressing their opinions on rgg (or even for severely
criticizing KGS on rgg). IGS and godiscussions shoud take some lessons from
KGS-
Who knows, perhaps godiscussions.com , or IGS can purchase KGS and have a
grand purging ceremony and get me off of all internet go activities.
Don, you run a nice site - and you have every right to ban anyone you want,
however, that right does not mean it is the right thing to do.
Never mind, you have your dozens of admiring fans, so what does banning one
loser that you don't like mean anyways?
"Gohst" <Gohstlee AT (@) yahoo DOT com> wrote in message
news:f3385...@news2.newsguy.com...
Gohst @
believing you.
Just for detective work, have you tried reading from another machine? I
don't think it is feasible for him to block reading by IP address.
Possible, but not feasible.
Assuming you are Big Duck, you've exhibited enough of a paranoid
attitude over the years that you'll have to go some to get me to believe
that you can't *read* the site. There's almost no site owner in the
world who is petty enough, and who has enough time on their hands, to do
that. Mostly, for these one-man sites, it's hard enough trying to keep
up with bugs and spam. It's a hobby, not a living. So, why exactly would
the man go to a lot of extra effort just to prevent you, and you only,
from *reading* his site?? Posting, I might understand, but reading?
Sorry, it beggars belief.
Frank de Groot
> However, like all fearless leaders he has provided a free service which
> people like, and he has put all his tireless efforts into creating the
> forum to good use- to banning people.
"all his tireless efforts into banning people"?
Rather hyperbolic, isn't it?
All his tireless efforts into building a great Go forum, you mean. For free.
No - it costs him money, actually.
And seen the thousands of participants - none of them getting abused by the
likes of you and your buddies - he is doing a swell job.
One in seven people are psychopaths, and some psychopaths simply can't
restrain themselves. Without policing, a society or community breaks down
into violence, due to psychopaths and sociopaths and those too lazy and
cowardly to step up to the plate.
> To ban a member of the go community, not some troll that comes along and
> knows absolutely nothing about go, but a member that has played for over
> 25 years.
I object to the fact that you call me a troll that "knows nothing about Go".
I wrote popular Go freeware and my comp. Go research was used by Microsoft.
I studied Go for over 5 years.
Where were you protesting when I got banned on Sensei's Library?
If I am such a troll, why did you buy my software?
You say it's OK to ban trolls - your lack of protest to my banning implies
you deem me one - you are lying, again. I am not a troll but a hard-working
member of the Go community, providing, apart from a commercial service, a
popular, useful and free service:
> Godiscussions gets to pick the naughty players and bans them from reading
> the forum.
The Internet is maturing. Psychopaths are identified at an earlier stage,
and communities are being protected effectively, without damaging the
patient or the community. Live with it.
Blocher's spokesman
>I can't imagine, really. In other words, I have a very hard time
> believing you.
>
> Just for detective work, have you tried reading from another machine? I
> don't think it is feasible for him to block reading by IP address.
> Possible, but not feasible.
>
Sorry. The administrator has banned your IP address. To contact the
administrator click here
> Assuming you are Big Duck, you've exhibited enough of a paranoid
> attitude over the years that you'll have to go some to get me to believe
> that you can't *read* the site. There's almost no site owner in the
> world who is petty enough, and who has enough time on their hands, to do
> that. Mostly, for these one-man sites, it's hard enough trying to keep
> up with bugs and spam. It's a hobby, not a living. So, why exactly would
> the man go to a lot of extra effort just to prevent you, and you only,
> from *reading* his site?? Posting, I might understand, but reading?
It is called called fearless leadership, that is why. By develpoing this
site that everyone can use for free he can hand out petty little punishments
to the people he does not like.
> Sorry, it beggars belief.
Yes it does. I did not believe it either until I found out that the go
community is full of them. And I seem to get people mad by pointing this
out.
Blocher's spokesman
"Frank de Groot" <fr...@moyogo.com> wrote in message
news:rfWdnYJ0Cqw...@giganews.com...
> "Blocher's spokesman" <n...@nono.com> wrote
>
>> However, like all fearless leaders he has provided a free service which
>> people like, and he has put all his tireless efforts into creating the
>> forum to good use- to banning people.
>
> "all his tireless efforts into banning people"?
> Rather hyperbolic, isn't it?
> All his tireless efforts into building a great Go forum, you mean. For
> free.
> No - it costs him money, actually.
> And seen the thousands of participants - none of them getting abused by
> the likes of you and your buddies - he is doing a swell job.
>
> One in seven people are psychopaths, and some psychopaths simply can't
> restrain themselves. Without policing, a society or community breaks down
> into violence, due to psychopaths and sociopaths and those too lazy and
> cowardly to step up to the plate.
>
>
>> To ban a member of the go community, not some troll that comes along and
>> knows absolutely nothing about go, but a member that has played for over
>> 25 years.
>
> I object to the fact that you call me a troll that "knows nothing about
> Go".
> I wrote popular Go freeware and my comp. Go research was used by
> Microsoft.
> I studied Go for over 5 years.
Frank, I was not even thinking of you when I wrote this. Are you banned
from reading godiscussions.com too?
> Where were you protesting when I got banned on Sensei's Library?
> If I am such a troll, why did you buy my software?
>
Why do you think I am calling you a troll?
> You say it's OK to ban trolls - your lack of protest to my banning implies
> you deem me one - you are lying, again.
That is total nonsense. There will be people that read this that will think
it is not a good idea to ban someone from *reading* godiscussions.com . I
do not expect anyone to rush to my aid on this forum and defend me.
>I am not a troll but a hard-working member of the Go community, providing,
>apart from a commercial service, a popular, useful and free service:
>
> www.moyogo.com
I agree that you are not a troll, and that you have worked hard in the go
community. Your posts are bothersome to many people, however.
>> Godiscussions gets to pick the naughty players and bans them from reading
>> the forum.
>
> The Internet is maturing. Psychopaths are identified at an earlier stage,
> and communities are being protected effectively, without damaging the
> patient or the community. Live with it.
>
I can easily live with not being able to read (on my home computer)
godiscussions.com. I can also live with not playing on any particular go
server. These things are not so hard to live without. As strange as it
seems, I think it is important for people in the go community to think about
bannings within the community, and for people to think about how much they
are willing to supress their thoughts in order to participate on various
internet sites within this community.
Frank de Groot
> Frank, I was not even thinking of you when I wrote this. Are you banned
> from reading godiscussions.com too?
Still trouble with comprehensive reading?
I said why was it OK by you that I was banned on SL (you did not protest
about it on SL), but when YOU are banned on a Go site, you scream bloody
murder?
Hypocrite!
> Why do you think I am calling you a troll?
By saying it's OK to ban trolls, and by not protesting me being banned on
SL, you call me a troll.
> I agree that you are not a troll, and that you have worked hard in the go
> community. Your posts are bothersome to many people, however.
Hypocrite. When you are banned, it's the end of the world, but when I am
banned, you are nowhere to be found, but you *do* point out that "banning
trolls is OK". Well buddy, you are the biggest troll, with your anonymous
postings, attacking IGS and KGS, myself and who else. No problem - free
world - but when you whine about the dishonesty of banning now, you're a bit
too late - you should have protested when other folks were banned too. Now I
doubt you'll get much support from those neglected banned.
> I can easily live with not being able to read (on my home computer)
> godiscussions.com. I can also live with not playing on any particular go
> server. These things are not so hard to live without. As strange as it
> seems, I think it is important for people in the go community to think
> about bannings within the community, and for people to think about how
> much they are willing to supress their thoughts in order to participate
> on various internet sites within this community.
You're right. The fact that I have been banned has made me stronger, and the
Go community weaker.
First of all, the Go "community" has proven not to exist. No community
spirit.
Secondly, I have found more profitable endeavors than my Go software.
That's what happens when you insult your most ardous contributors.
The extreme hostility and arrogance of the Go "community" has lead to me now
running a profitable IT service business here in Oslo, instead of building
the best freeware Go software (I was already moving towards Mac & Linux -
you can just forget about that now - thanks to Arno Hollosi of Sensei's
Library)
Jeff Nowakowski
> Sorry. The administrator has banned your IP address. To contact the
> administrator click here
Did you contact the administrator, or immediately come whining here?
It's possible there was somebody spamming the site or taking too much
bandwidth from a dynamic IP address near yours and you got banned as
collateral damage. Or maybe he doesn't like you and banned you from
reading the site, though that seems kind of weird.
-Jeff
Gohst @
If you have any interest, I would say to contact the admin.
Otherwise, if you have had no dealings with the site, how did they even
*get* your IP address to ban it? Again, there's not enough time in the
day to go pre-emptively banning folks. I agree with Jeff... it might be
collateral damage. Or, did you really post there, and you aren't coming
clean with us? ;-)
Gohst @
site. He has some Google ads, but I'd be astounded if they paid the
bills. I've been astounded before, however...
-- Gohst
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank de Groot [mailto:fr...@moyogo.com]
Posted At: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:58 AM
Posted To: rec.games.go
Conversation: godiscussions.com likes fearless leadership too!
Subject: Re: godiscussions.com likes fearless leadership too!
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(1) What was leading you to that sort of expectation?
(2) What can we read about on GODisCussions.Kom that we cannot
be reading here? (This question has not been answered.)
- regards
- jb
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