ABOUT FRANK DE GROOT
Melon Ware
COMPETING GO SOFTWARE. THE PLAN WAS CONCEIVED BY HIM LATE LAST YEAR AND
I WAS APPROACHED BY MY SOURCE AS FINANCIAL AID FOR HIS DISTRIBUTION
CHAIN.
I DECIDED TO SPEAK OUT NOW BECAUSE WE LOST OUR "GUARANTEE OF
VOLUME" AS PROMISED BY HIM.
Frank de Groot
Hi melonhead,
I don't know what it is you did, but today I woke up with a bunch of orders
for my software :)
This is always what happens when someone tries to screw me over :)
People are not stupid, you know :)
You were "approached by your source as financial aid for my distribution
chain"?
WTF does that /mean/ ??
Are you sure you are not "AWater", the Chinese guy who stole Moyo Go's
board, stones and sounds and who threatened me, yesterday?
I have no distribution chain, weirdo. I sell via my website.
And I do not do any "pircay" either. My software contains pro games that are
in the public domain.
And I send those games to SmartGo and anyone else who bought my software.
My software has been purchased by minimum three, but up to half a dozen
competitors, and they are all on my pro-game distribution list.
> I DECIDED TO SPEAK OUT NOW BECAUSE WE LOST OUR "GUARANTEE OF
> VOLUME" AS PROMISED BY HIM.
What the fuck is "guarantee of volume"?
Like, when you were promised a big dick in your ass but all you got were a
finger?
Frank de Groot
> I DECIDED TO SPEAK OUT NOW BECAUSE WE LOST OUR "GUARANTEE OF
> VOLUME" AS PROMISED BY HIM.
Would you mind identifying yourself so we can verify your claims (of
something fuzzy)?
carn...@gmail.com
how much does your marketing advisor charge you? your
corporate image and message is amazing
Frank de Groot
> how much does your marketing advisor charge you? your
> corporate image and message is amazing
I woke up to an amazing number of orders, anonymous, cowardly troll.
So I scrambled to fulfill them. I discovered the reason why I had gotten so
much unexpected support:
Some anonymous (and shouting too!) thugs threw some mud again.
It ain't working.
If you want to be one of those thugs, so be it.
I'm not easily intimidated by scum like you.
--
"Jews are spawn of satan and going to hell"
-Jeff Boscole on rec.games.go (October 10, 2006).
Frank de Groot
> corporate image and message is amazing
My message is that I do not like people to steal (parts of) my software.
As you might know, Microsoft has the same corporate message.
If you do not like that companies try to protect their products - it shows
more about you than about those companies.
If you are proudly sympathizing with software pirates - I understand why you
are doing it shamefully - anonymously.
Frank de Groot
> how much does your marketing advisor charge you? your
> corporate image and message is amazing
I wonder why you have no problem with an anonymous asshole posting (obvious)
lies about me, but when I react, you are all over me and threaten me with
"loss of sales", LOL.
Get a clue (and a concience) - fucking idiot.
Barney
> "Melon Ware" <melo...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> Hi melonhead,
>
> I don't know what it is you did, but today I woke up with a bunch of orders
> for my software :)
>
> This is always what happens when someone tries to screw me over :)
It's just as well people do complain about you then :-)
> People are not stupid, you know :)
Except for those who insult you of course :-)
--
If bunnies could play go, we'd *really* be doomed!!!
Frank de Groot
Mr. Flintstone - How do I explain it /better/ to you.
This person is NOT complaining about me.
This anonymous person comes with an allegation of something I think nobody
understands (that's most likely because it has been auto-translated from
Chinese to "English" <vbg>)
If it were a real complaint of some alleged nefarious promise of whatever it
is he/she is claiming, what would be easier than saying: "I am so-and-so".
So we could verify things.
Yesterday I had a heated talk with AWater, the Chinese StoneBase guy who
admitted to having ripped my software's Stones, sounds and board.
I was very pissed off with him. I did not accept his "apology" because he
said: "If you don't like it - come to China, hahaha".
So I was pissed off. Then he said: "Okay I see it is impossible to talk
nicely with you, then it is time for other talk..".
Then I went to bed and I see this obviously auto-transed crap here.
You think it's a legitimate complaint? Just like the "complaint" of Bram
vandenBon, who got a free DVD in return for a Help file.
He never gave me that Help file.
So I got pissed off with him.
Then he went to KGS and said that he was a paying customer, and that my
software did not work, and that I refused to give him his money back, and
that I threatened him with a lawsuit if he did not keep it a secret that I
did not want to give him his money back.
Get real. Use your coconut up there.
I have half a dozen "enemies" because I do not take any shit from anyone and
they don't like it.
But don't forget - I have hundreds of happy customers.
I don't like to SPAM, but since you - miserable worm - are alleging that
"people are complaining":
http://www.moyogo.com/Praise.htm
Now crawl back to your mudhole, worm.
Frank de Groot
The NNTP-posting host of this message is 219.141.232.178 (see headers).
Which resolves to.. China.
(beijing.asianamericancoal.com)
I award 100 USD to the first person who gives me the name & address of
"AWater", the maker of StoneBase, the plagiarizing Go software.
And when I have his name and address, I will contact the police where he
lives. Plagiarism is illegal - also in China.
Mef
While I can't speak for him, I don't think he was trying to be
intimidating, nor was he doubting the sales of MGS, I think he was just
making a comment that some of your posts aren't projecting the most
positive public image, and that you might want to rethink the way you
express yourself.
Cheers,
Mef
Frank de Groot
> While I can't speak for him, I don't think he was trying to be
> intimidating, nor was he doubting the sales of MGS, I think he was just
> making a comment that some of your posts aren't projecting the most
> positive public image, and that you might want to rethink the way you
> express yourself.
Is of no use..
It took me decades to become as calm as I am now.
I spent two years in the desert, meditating.
The psychiatrist says I have paranoid delusions (I told her some stuff).
But listen, am I making this confession up, of that guy?
And am I making this slander up?
Sometimes, being paranoid is just having all the facts.
The facts have made me paranoid, not the other way round.
And I express myself pretty well, considering the circumstances.
Listen, there is nothing in the world save assassination that can stop my
software.
I just (5 minutes ago) received this email from Japan:
Hi, Frank!
This is XXXXXX XXXXXX
Yesterday I received Moyo Go Ssudio!
Thank you so much for your kindness.
I installed MGS to my computer at once.
Since I read the onlinehelp manual many times
on your website, I could easily understand
how to use Moyo Go Studio.
Ummm......I have nothing to say about Moyo Go Studio.
But I can only say : MGS is the most excellent Go Game software
that nobody could, can or will create!
And there is no doubt about it!
Frank, can you guess how happy I am?
I feel like going mad!
Thanks a lot again, Frank!
Well, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
And we will send you our presents to you.
So please let me know if your address is right or not.
------------------------------
You see, the people on this newsgroup only see my "raging" face.
But the people I am dealing with as customers see my other face.
Again, I can only forward you to the "praise" section:
http://www.moyogo.com/Praise.htm
These are dozens and dozens of people.
I am getting supportive email that's just plain embarrasing. I can't even
put that on my site.
So I must be doing something right. I care only about my product and my
customers.
I will come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who tries to screw me over.
Every single time someone tried to fuck with me on this newsgroup, I get a
bunch of new customers.
Every time I get new customers, they find out that I'm actually quite an OK
guy.
I fix stuff when they ask me. I implement stuff when they ask me. I don't
get angry when they need a lot of support.
I take responsibility for bugs, etc.
But the people here - I don't care about them. Not about those who post. The
lurkers know that 90% of the folks posting here are sociopaths.
I mean, get real! I had a 200-odd flamewar with jb. The guy's a sleazeball.
And look at how I'm vindicated. The guy comes with stuff like: "The Jews are
spawn of the satan and will go to hell"
I mean, Jeez.. how /should/ I react? When I needed help, "The Jews" were
there to give me food, shelter, a job, love and money for my education.
Sorry.
The same with my software. I used to be a highly paid developer.
I quit, so I could work full time on Go software.
Then as soon as I posed a threat to the competition, everything went wrong.
And I take the attacks on me very seriously, for a variety of serious
reasons, some are too personal to elaborate on.
Nobody here knows me personally. They like to put people in a "box". It
doesn't work.
I will never take abuse lying down. On the other hand, if you are my friend,
I am your friend too.
But I've been screwed over too many times, with Moyo Go.
Like that German top amateur, Benjamin Teuber.
First he practically begs me to "cooperate". If I could please tell him all
my ideas.
I politely refuse.
Ten days later he tells me proudly: "Microsoft has invited me to come and
talk about my ideas for Go programming".
Hm.
Of course a TOTAL coincidence, hm? Microsoft ripped off my ideas, but then
they got stuck. Funny how the same guy that tried to pick my brains SUDDENLY
a few days later gets a holiday in Cambridge with those VERY SAME people who
ripped off my pattern system!
But when I see the linkm I am "imagining things". Just like I am imagining
that my web host pulled the plug on me. And my ISP. And Sensei's Library.
Just like I am imagining that Jan van der Steen calls people who link to me.
etc. etc. And notw this AWater guy.
And I have to say: "Oh, EXCUSE me!"?
No, I should bash them all into a pulp with a baseball bat, that what I
shoudl do.
But that's illegal. And I can stand the sight of blood. So I will curse them
instead.
Is that OK?
hs
>
> While I can't speak for him, I don't think he was trying to be
> intimidating, nor was he doubting the sales of MGS, I think he was just
> making a comment that some of your posts aren't projecting the most
> positive public image, and that you might want to rethink the way you
> express yourself.
>
His marketing concept is apparently: to stir up as much controversy as
possible to get publicity. And apparently he is very successful...
--
Hans Straub
Frank de Groot
> His marketing concept is apparently: to stir up as much controversy as
> possible to get publicity. And apparently he is very successful...
You think I /like/ it that someone not only copies the look & feel of my
software, but also rips off its resources AND claims ** I ** am a software
pirate??
Who's stirring up things?? Amazing how bad some people's brains can work.
Vit Brunner
>> how much does your marketing advisor charge you?
>> your corporate image and message is amazing
Surprising that Marc is called "cowardly troll", "scum", "fucking
idiot" and gets accused of "anonymous asshole posting" just for this...
As a side note, I don't think Marc is anonymous here, at least not more
than "Frank de Groot".
Regards,
Vit
Frank de Groot
> Surprising that Marc is called "cowardly troll", "scum", "fucking
> idiot" and gets accused of "anonymous asshole posting" just for this...
He is all of the above, and more, for siding with thieves and slanderers.
I have a little one-man company. I am literally struggling to survive (I
make 750 Euro/month on a good month and I have medical bills).
Someone comes along and ripps off board, stones and sounds for a product
that aims to be a carbon copy of my product.
I say something about it.
The guy then posts about how I am planning "massive SmartGo piracy" or
something of the sort.
I react again.
And what does Marc do? He tells me I am giving the impression of being a bad
company.
Marc does not say: "shit, that sucks", no, he says: "You are not allowed to
protest Frank, bad, bad boy, if you protest, we will not buy your stuff".
Yeah, sure. A fucking idiot for sure.
Fucking.. I have been chasticised for YEARS here for being a "plagiarist".
Falsely.
And the Marc-scum never came to my aid.
But when it's the /opposite/, when ** I ** am claiming to be the victim of
plagiarism, oh boy, nooo.. THEN I should suddenly shut up? THEN it's all a
storm in a glass of water? Then I should be "polite". Hahaha. You children
have a lot to learn.
Frank de Groot
> As a side note, I don't think Marc is anonymous here, at least not more
> than "Frank de Groot".
Do prdele!
He posted ** anonymously **.
There was no "Marc" anywhere in his posting.
carnicer@gmail .com is NOT a real name.
If you have no arguments, why lie?
Haven't your mommy and daddy taught you that lying is bad?
hs
> "hs" <h...@kaba.com> wrote
>
>> His marketing concept is apparently: to stir up as much controversy as
>> possible to get publicity. And apparently he is very successful...
>
>
> You think I /like/ it that someone not only copies the look & feel of my
> software, but also rips off its resources AND claims ** I ** am a software
> pirate??
>
Actually, that was not what I meant. Although - since you mention it - I
am just thinking... If someone steals your stuff, this is actually a
kind of proof that your stuff must be really good - so you could indeed
have a reason to like it...
But what I meant was a different thing. A hint: You are, just now, doing
aWater a favor by accusing him in public - because this draws people's
attention towards him. I, e.g., did not even know that StoneBase exists
until now.
--
Hans Straub
Mef
Frank de Groot wrote:
> carnicer@gmail .com is NOT a real name.
>
Given that his name is Marc Carnicer, I think it's fair to say that it
is pretty close to a name, a certainly not an attempt to be anonymous.
-Mef
p.s. I'm curious but is Marc a common spanish spelling? or is it just a
nickname/shortened name?
Frank de Groot
> But what I meant was a different thing. A hint: You are, just now, doing
> aWater a favor by accusing him in public - because this draws people's
> attention towards him. I, e.g., did not even know that StoneBase exists
> until now.
Doesn't matter.
My goal was to find out who he is.
I now know his real name and where he lives:
?????????(Awater)?? = A Shui from Beijing.
I've looked at his software and it is a total ripoff of what I am working
on, but without all the goodies.
He just copies the look and feel but everything either doesn't work, isn't
implemented or works badly.
I understand why the software is free. If he works many years and somehow
becomes a better programmer, he might one day end up with a fraction of
where my software is today. So I am not too worried.
I just want to prevent that half the wolrd will rip off my software. He is
#1, so let's start with him and see how far I get.
Gregorio Morales
name
Sates
It seems quite clear that Mr. Frank de Groot (hope this is spelled
correctly) is in the right here and is also highly annoyed with
sofware-pirates. Maybe Mr de Groot needs to tone down the language but
since piracy is a crime (id est illegal) I'm with him.
Anyone with half a brain should be.
Frank de Groot
> I just want to prevent that half the wolrd will rip off my software. He is
> #1, so let's start with him and see how far I get.
And it's not just the stones, sounds and board he's ripped off either.
Some of the nicest icons that took hours to make (like the game tree root
icon) have been copied one-on-one, and other things have been
"reverse-engineered" and except for their color are 100% identical, like the
annotation toolbuttons.
carn...@gmail.com
strictly, it can be said i posted anonymously. but i post here with a
real email address. you already accused me before of being anonymous. i
tried to configure my gmail account so that my name is displayed here,
but i did not succeed. my complete name appears when i send emails.
but anyway, even if i posted anonymously, i don't see any reason to
insult me like that. you really have a big paranoia, i suggest you
print these posts and hand them to your psychiatrist. if you trust her.
btw, on my 1st post in this thread, i never supported the melon guy. i
just wanted to point out that so much insults won't help you selling.
i know you don't care and that you don't want my scum money, but
everytime i see one of your puking posts i say to myself that i'll
never buy your program, even if i want to study.
<carni...@gmail.com> wrote
> how much does your marketing advisor charge you? your
> corporate image and message is amazing
you talk about mummy and daddy teaching ... look to yourself, man
Frank de Groot
> i know you don't care and that you don't want my scum money, but
> everytime i see one of your puking posts i say to myself that i'll
> never buy your program, even if i want to study.
Cool. Marc Carnicer placed on the lifetime-not-allowed-to-order list ;-)
Seriously, you should learn to:
1. Separate objects from people (like, don't feel insulted when someone
calls your car a pile of crap, or not start hating some software because you
don't think its creator isn't polite enough. Many inventors, who's
inventions you use today were utter scum. Some were murderers, slave
abusers, raging psychopathic fastcists and the like and you are using the
fruit of their labor every single day. Anything else would be irrational).
2. Not let your hatred negatively influence you
3. Configure a NNTP client.
Frank de Groot
> i know you don't care and that you don't want my scum money, but
> everytime i see one of your puking posts i say to myself that i'll
> never buy your program, even if i want to study.
It is untrue that I don't care.
I don't like people that do not like me. I think that's not so strange.
Therefore, naturally, I do not want to sell for a pittance the fruit of my
labor to those people.
I worked 4 man-years on my software, and I sold only 400 copies yet.
That means that each copy currently represents 3 days of work.
My netto salary used to be 1000 NOK/day, so that makes the current copy
/cost/ (in time expended, to me), 3000 NOK or 450 USD.
You understand that I'm not going to give people who don't like me a present
of 450 - 61 = 389 USD, plus the fact that I might have to give email-based
support to those mentally unstable wankers.
Vit Brunner
> You understand that I'm not going to give people who don't like me a present
> of 450 - 61 = 389 USD, plus the fact that I might have to give email-based
> support to those mentally unstable wankers.
Rule #1: Never forget to insult someone.
Bantari
Frank de Groot wrote:
> 1. Separate objects from people (like, don't feel insulted when someone
> calls your car a pile of crap, or not start hating some software because you
> don't think its creator isn't polite enough.
Maybe I get it wrong, but you seem to take offense when somebody
trashes MoyoGo.
It goes both ways, you know...
____________
-Bantari
http://www.bantari.net/
Frank de Groot
> Maybe I get it wrong,
Yes you do.
> but you seem to take offense when somebody trashes MoyoGo.
> It goes both ways, you know...
Then you are so mistaken that I don't know what to do except bury my head in
my hands and sob for a while.
Nobody has been "thrashing MoyoGo". As I have spent hundreds of postings on
to explain:
- There are concerted efforts to destroy my little software enterprise. This
is done with a multi-pronged approach.
- One of the strategies used is to deny exposure in the internet-based
media.
- A tactic is to diminish Moyo Go's importance, when "forced" to give some
exposure (AGA was asked by half a dozen members to publish a review of Moyo
Go).
So their goals are:
1) No exposure
2) If (1) impossible, then BAD exposure
Bad exposure (2) is risky for them, as I have so many customers already that
they can expose their lies. So (1) is their preferred strategy.
So, nobody is "bashing MoyoGo", they are bashing me personally with tricks.
They themselves do not believe MoyoGo is "useless" as they imply, they
merely LIE in order to deny me sales.
As I am writing this, my website is again under DDOS attack. It is
unavailable again.
Nobody bashes my software. They are waging war on me personally. I do not
get angry for anyone providing fair criticism. My customers do that all the
time. It's deliberate lies and covert warfare that irks me.
Frank de Groot
> Rule #1: Never forget to insult someone.
Polib mi prdel, srac. Jdi se vymrskat do Zoo a zavri tlamu. Neoxiduj tu!
BIG Fan of North Korea
> "Vit Brunner" <vit.b...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> Rule #1: Never forget to insult someone.
>
>
> Polib mi prdel, srac. Jdi se vymrskat do Zoo a zavri tlamu. Neoxiduj tu!
ang kau pang sai bo ce kal chui? lu cin chau ah!!!
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marc gonzalez-carnicer
me, then you misaccuse and insult me. i try to show you you did not get
the facts, and then you give me a self-help course. look, if you want
to play the "jeff boscole game", you'd better play with your master, he
is always available. you are being a good student.
btw, i did not mean to use a nntp client, but a usenet web front-end.
usenet archives can show i learned to use nntp clients in 1994.
Frank de Groot
<snip>
I see you are making progress, mr. gonzalez.