AH ! Fuzion & Champions is TOO much like Hybrid
BirdMuleMan
Champion rules, it looks to be a VERY much like Hybrid. SO, WHY is everyone
either flaming me or do NOT understand Hybrid, when it is so much like the 2 of
your favorite rpg systems ?
IF you look at SIMPLE analogy of math being your 2 systems & physics being
Hybrid, but BOTH using the SAME rules but from different points of view with
SAME end results. So, why NO one understands Hybrid, when it is so much like
the 2 of your favorite rpg systems ?
Robert Scott Clark
Because Fusion and Champions are not math. As a player you need to
USE some (rather simple) math in order to play or create a character,
but the fact that all you see is the math is why you have such a
difficult time communicating with anyone here.
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Blackberry
To be completely honest and non-flip, I don't understand it for five reasons:
- The "rules" are posted in a haphazard piecemeal fashion.
- The system uses many different values that have similar names; whereas in
mathematics it's necessary, in an RPG it's just confusing.
- The system uses complex equations for the simplest things (such as 3^x, which
I can't figure in my head for x>3).
- Apparently the GM needs to account for 1000+ variables in any decision
situation, which I am certainly not interested in doing nor capable of doing.
- You refuse to post examples of play.
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Chris Blake
birdm...@aol.com wrote on 4/13/01 1:30 AM:
I'm just bugged because you seem to hat little words like verbs and article
and thus what you write MAKES NO SENSE.
Also you have no idea what an analogy is.
Montreal Gamer
(BirdMuleMan) writes:
>
>I was NOT planning to return but after spending an hour reading on Fuzion &
>Champion rules, it looks to be a VERY much like Hybrid. SO, WHY is everyone
>either flaming me or do NOT understand Hybrid, when it is so much like the 2
>of
>your favorite rpg systems ?
>
SPAM off moronic liar.
Jonathan Rhee
of Technology (his school). There you will find his e-mail address. Enjoy!
;)
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Detryxtyr
>which
>I can't figure in my head for x>3).
It looks to me that 3^x is supposed to be 3 to the x power. It's an
exponential function, so it grows really fast.
3^1=3
3^2=9
3^3=27
and so on.
Blackberry
Right... okay, 3^4 I can figure in my head (81). And 3^5 = 232? Past that, I
have no shot, so talking about either 3^10 (EGO) more than that, I'm lost.
BirdMuleMan
It was an ANALOGY, meaning math has NO substance without physics, similarly
Fuzion & Champions would have NO substance without Hybrid.
BirdMuleMan
equation to binds all rpgs into 1 which is what Hybrid half about & other half
an exercise in physics :
Tech Level # in GURPS, which is similar to Tech Level # in Fuzion, leaving Tech
8 & 9 as it is in GURPS without change, as I found a way to makes sense out of
the original Tech Level #, as I'm assuming it's meant for low powered mutants
like MU Blink
= 5 * [ ( EGO ) / 10 ]^( 1 / 2 ) .
So, 33 Psyche or 33 EGO = Tech Level 9.08 :: teleportation
It's brilliant
You guys might be role playing Fuzion, GURPS & Champions for 18 years but I
discovered this equation in just 18 days. The equation predicts that I'm on THE
right track ALL along all this time & it's YOU guys that are lost, meaning the
creators of Fuzion, GURPS, '86 MU TSR rpg & Champions used ideas that are
EXACTLY like mine.
This Tech Level equation prove it.
Detryxtyr
>I
>have no shot, so talking about either 3^10 (EGO) more than that, I'm lost.
Actually 3^5 is 243. A calculator with an exponetial key can handle most of
the higher stuff. 3^10 would be 59049.
God only knows why he wants to use such high numbers for the simplest of
things. Of course, I don't think even God understands Hybrid.
Captain Geek
BirdMuleMan
I put down "3" as base to help you understand with an easy & simple example how
TK & TP can be used but since it depends on a "reference frame" which varies
depending on type of power ; but, to put it simply if you squeezed mass of moon
into volume occupied by the Juggernaut or Nightcrawler, you'd get the kinds of
weird powers you see in MU. So, "3^10 kg" for 10 EGO, meaning if you're not a
mutant you get 5 or less EGO & those points are used differently, depending on
how powerful you want to make the Juggernaut & Nightcrawler. If you make them
as them as they are with NO power reductions then they should get between 15 &
30 EGO, depending on life-span & background radiation, MU gods. You could
increase base from "3" to "4" but at higher cost or reduction in life-span
or/and COM, INT & END.
BirdMuleMan
situation, which I am certainly not interested in doing nor capable of doing.
What's so hard about that ? You don't need to be either an idiot-savant or a
genius to do this. Just use your common sense & intuition & don't restrict
yourself to just what's written as rules, meaning try to use physics but don't
again just restrict yourself with written rules, meaning use common sense.
BirdMuleMan
& if your EGO is between 5 & 10, then you're either a brilliant scientist,
engineer or mathematician, super athlete, martial artist like Ninja, or belong
in a universe similar to Mage-the Ascension, meaning U'r a very low powered
mutant like Gambit or Jubilee. Super Simple ! !
BirdMuleMan
Tech Level # in GURPS & Fuzion.
BirdMuleMan
Did you not read my earlier post that I ran out of college funds. So, HOW could
I be attending college ?
Josh Nolan
Detryxtyr wrote:
> God only knows why he wants to use such high numbers for the simplest of
> things.
Because higher numbers are better, I guess. Deep down, I think, our deluded
friend^H^H^H^H^H^Hacquaintance is a munchkin.
> Of course, I don't think even God understands Hybrid.
That'd be because he's part of the 99.9% of this newsgroup that *isn't* a deluded
moron.
Re-engaging lurk mode,
Josh.
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Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except
when it's just about right."
- The Tick.
Bruce Baugh
I'm concerned that some of what follows will sound insulting. I don't
mean it to.
1. Your grasp of written colloquial English is simply not up to the task
you're undertaking. Before anything else, you really need to learn more
about how English handles tenses and numbers, and also learn about the
use of punctuation. I don't know if in fact you're not a native speaker,
as the name posted by someone else would suggest, or if you've grown up
in an English-speaking environment and not had the opportunity to learn
grammar systematically. Whichever it is, the fact is that you're failing
to communicate to your intended audience.
2. Your background in math and physics shows in the way you construct
examples, and not in ways that help in this sort of discussion. In the
sciences, it's often sensible to label related concepts with closely
related symbols, like a and A, or a and a' and so on. But gaming writing
is a form of technical writing or documentation in which it''s more
important to remove opportunities for ambiguity and overlap.
You can and should use whole words rather than single letter or
acronyms, wherever possible. More people remember "Strength' than "STR",
and in turn more remember that than "S" or (worse yet) "X" or something
like that. Likewise, you gain nothing and lose quite a bit in
comprehension and accidental confusion by assigning labels like p to
game systems, rather than spelling out words like Champions and Fuzions.
Cut and paste, if the typing is an effort. (That in particular is not a
slam - at least one occasional poster here, for instance, has deformed
hands and types with his knuckles, and makes heavy use of macros and
other utilities. Do what your situation requires.)
3. Use carriage returns and tabs as your friends and allies. If you are
constructing if...then statements, for instance, break them out like
this:
IF condition A
THEN results A
ELSE IF condition B
THEN results B
ELSE results C
You tend to run this altogether, like IF condition A THEN results A ELSE
IF condition B THEN results B ELSE results C, and frankly, even people
who read software code on a regular basis have trouble following it. You
want to make it easier for readers to assimilate your intended meaning.
4. Check your terms. Once again, I do not mean to be insulting, but the
fact is that the literal meaning of your written words is often and
precisely nonsense. When you refer to EGO as a concept in GURPS, for
instance, you speak nonsense. GURPS doesn't have it. If you want to
argue that something in GURPS is equivalent, feel free to do so, of
course, but you have to check yourself on these things.
One of the good rules of thumb for any communication is 'the meaning of
a communication is the response it gets". If _nobody_ is understanding
your point, then by definition you are failing to get it across. Why
persist in a course of action you _know_ won't work? Try something else
next time.
I do not, alas, expect any of this advice to register with you or help
in any way, but it would be neat if it did.
--
Bruce Baugh <*> bruce...@sff.net <*> http://www.tkau.org
Writer of Fortune
Illuminating quote in the shop for adjustment.
Nate Morse
birdm...@aol.com (BirdMuleMan) wrote:
Because common sense says that 99% of any comic book universe died
years ago. Common sense says that a human body cannot contain the
energy to blast a hole through a bank vault. Common Sense says that
the waste heat from using your brain to telekinese a ping-pong-ball
would parboil the inside of your skull.
We are discussing superheroic fantasy, which is delightfully counter-
intuiitive, and non comon-sensical. And that is why we have rules,
because under those conditions, a game can far too easily dissolve
into an endless round on "I got you! Did not! Did too! Did not!"
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Detryxtyr
advice on posting to this board or any other. I actually wish more posters
would follow this advice.
Captain Geek
Montreal Gamer
(Detryxtyr) writes:
I agree, but in C++'s case it is useless, his purpose here is not to
communicate, but to anoy.
Montreal Gamer
<bruce...@sff.net> writes:
>
>BirdMuleMan:
>
>I'm concerned that some of what follows will sound insulting. I don't
>mean it to.
You are falling for his trap. Ignore him, ignore him. This is C++ who will
only take your words and twist them against you. He does not post seriously,
all of his posts are trolls.
Bruce Baugh
Gamer <montre...@aol.comnojunk> wrote:
> You are falling for his trap. Ignore him, ignore him. This is C++ who will
> only take your words and twist them against you. He does not post seriously,
> all of his posts are trolls.
All Usenet posts have at least three distinct audiences, though:
- the person they're addressed to (when one is following up to someone
else).
- the other participants in the thread.
- bystanders and lurkers.
I find it useful for my own personal sake to review principles of good
posting style, and hope that others reading the thread also found
something of value in it. This can be true whether or not the gent in
question is paying attention, sincere, competent, or anything else.
--
Bruce Baugh, Writer of Fortune
bruce...@sff.net <*> http://www.tkau.org/
Montreal Gamer
<bruce...@sff.net> writes:
>
>I find it useful for my own personal sake to review principles of good
>posting style, and hope that others reading the thread also found
>something of value in it. This can be true whether or not the gent in
>question is paying attention, sincere, competent, or anything else.
>
I bow to your wisdom.
Pat10355
John Michael Davis
>
> Monkey fly eat bird cash power plant. Hard tip nunchaku art! Donkeys not hello.
Donkey swim digest cow change energy cell. Soft end bow photo!
Monkey's are hello.
Bryan J. Maloney
<jdav...@ford.com> wrote:
NO! You're all STUPID! Quantum doppler shift phase EGO points tachyon
gravity mass appearance COM.
--
For those in the know, a potrzebie is a necessity.
Ian Kirk
news:bjm10-16040...@potato.bti.cornell.edu...
> > Donkey swim digest cow change energy cell. Soft end bow photo!
> > Monkey's are hello.
>
> NO! You're all STUPID! Quantum doppler shift phase EGO points tachyon
> gravity mass appearance COM.
Typo: EGO in the last posting is out by a factor of 2. It should be
Quantum doppler shift phase EGO/2 points tachyon
gravity mass appearance COM.
This is obvious. Are YOU ALL IDIOTS???
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Dr Nuncheon
Ian Kirk <ik.new...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>"Bryan J. Maloney" <bj...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
>news:bjm10-16040...@potato.bti.cornell.edu...
>> > Donkey swim digest cow change energy cell. Soft end bow photo!
>> > Monkey's are hello.
>>
>> NO! You're all STUPID! Quantum doppler shift phase EGO points tachyon
>> gravity mass appearance COM.
>
>Typo: EGO in the last posting is out by a factor of 2. It should be
>
> Quantum doppler shift phase EGO/2 points tachyon
> gravity mass appearance COM.
>
>This is obvious. Are YOU ALL IDIOTS???
You are ALL IDIOTS. I am LEAVING THIS NEWSGROUP FOREVER. It is not worth
my time to talk to people who are all IDIOTS & LUNATICS. I will go BACK to
reading my PHYSICS BOOK.
J++
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