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Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-24T16:57:03Z

It does, somewhat, but the reduced DR offered by the lesser armors would
mean that in the long run more gets past them. Not more 'full damage'
attack results, but more damage is done to those wearing less armor, on
two fronts (more likely to be hit (and more likely to crit, since the
confirmation is easier), and when hit, more damage taken).

Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-24T09:23:25Z

<sn-rip>
IMO, the best system would be a combination of AC, DR, and something
akin to the damage threshold system of D20 Modern.
Shields and Armor up AC (but not nearly as much as current rules).
Armor ups DR (as do maybe feats, talents, or powers that up DR, like
the 3.5e Barbarian, or some of the Tough Hero talents in D20 Modern).

Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-24T07:29:18Z

This could well work, but it implies all types of armour are equally
difficult to bypass. But for full armour, yes, it does sound like it
would have similar chances of success.
Indeed. The system I described for layers and blunt/point/edged is very
similar to that used in HarnMaster, which has a very detailed combat

Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-23T22:02:30Z

Is there a shot that can vaccinate against that in the future?

Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-23T21:25:58Z

Exactly. I learned long ago that given a game system, if you have to
change "everything", then it's not the system for you. Learn to KISS.
Gerald Katz

Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-23T21:23:24Z

On Sep 23, 3:53 am, torb...@pc-003.diku.dk (Torben Ægidius Mogensen)
wrote:
Congratulations! You just reinvented Rolemaster!
Gerald Katz

Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-23T14:32:15Z

The experiment with roleplaying began with people wanting to play
their Chainmail "characters." Combat simulation was, at lest for a
time, very important to Arneson.

Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-23T14:26:45Z

They did write a brand new game and called it D&D, not Chainmail 2 ;)
Parvati V

Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-23T14:06:48Z

Then one wonders why they were playing "Chainmail." It was a
miniatures combat simulation game.
Which is true and what I have been saying since I got involved in this
thread. I play both D&D and a more realistic-feeling system and they
both work. I prefer the latter but that doesn't make it better.

Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-23T12:26:46Z

Mind you, you could just have criticals (daggers threaten crits on
19-20) bypass armor entirely, while anything less doesn't (but lesser
armors impede the damage less -- dare I say statistically similar, to
*you*? *g*)
If someone were to go to that degree of detail, no sense going part way.
Keith

Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-23T11:20:19Z

GURPS does the following to address this:
1. It has a number of hit locations (the usual suspects: face, skull,
torso, arm, hand, etc.) that you can target for to-hit penalties. If
you notice that your enemy is wearing particularly weak armour in some
location you can then go for that (hands and feet are popular choices,

Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-23T08:06:51Z

Is it supposed to? That's news to me.
Gary Gygax stated more than once that he never intended D&D to be
realistic, and not just because mages can conjure fireballs. Dave
Arneson, I believe, was even less interested in tactical emulation.
D&D surely has roots in fantasy literature, but it moved on to create

Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-23T07:53:24Z

If you look at Fantasy or medieval literature (which is what D&D is
supposed to emulate), a man with a dagger fighting an opponent in full
plate armour must find a gap in the armour to do any damage. Eye slits,
unerneath shoulder joins, etc. are popular choices.
The point is that no armour covers 100% -- it has weak points and gaps.

Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-23T07:48:16Z

Nah. I'm honest and upfront about what I want from my game and look for
like-minded people to play, to begin with.
I don't need to offer them candies to play as they like to play. I just
let them loose *grin*
Parvati V
-- "What is brain? Pai doesn't have such thing" - Pai, 3x3 eyes
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Re: What Armor and Hitpoints model - Re: Question for the group: Are people actually playing 4th Ed. D&D or just posting to spite WOTC

2009-09-22T23:45:33Z

Nothing is _necessary_ All that matters is what is to your taste.