Examples of Badass
Jimmie Pursell
DirkLancer wrote in message <19990103195509...@ng134.aol.com>...
>
>Anyone else have any suggestions?
How about Dirty Harry? From a bad guy's perspective, Jet Lee's character
from Lethal Weapon 4 might qualify. Martin Riggs from LW 1 & 2, but he
kinda lost that edge in the last two movies.
Evyn MacDude
DirkLancer wrote:
> My group has argued Jackie Chan, but he doesn't seem to have the sociopathic
> ability to kill on a whim that your truely badass character should have.
> Anyone else have any suggestions?
Shaft.... Need I say more
Evyn...
DirkLancer
back to his infamous "truely badass" and who that would apply to. My group
frequently adds people to the badass list as they see movies. We even tried
the generic badass campaign, involving a rebellous cop, his "wacky" martial
arts sidekick, and an army of cinematic ninja with a stolen nuke...
Now of course, any action hero character from the 80's and 90's. The biggies
from your Stallones, your Schwartzaneggers, your Van Dammes (only barely for
him).
So who all would you list as people who that advantage truely applied to?
John McClain is a given. As much as he gets beaten and bloody, he is still
infallible.
If anyone saw Blade, i'd add him. Especially since vampires are kindling to
him.
Most of your Arnold movies from the 80's.
Azmenon
DirkLancer wrote:
How about Steven Seagal? That guy doesn't just kick the tar out of you....
He makes you kick your own ass! Hehehee!
DirkLancer
Bruce Lee in most of his I can see too. Like in Chinese Connection when he
beats up an entire martial arts school.
Early Seagal I can see too. Cooks who can take out boats full of terrorists
and all... :^)
Jeb E. Zingo
>So who all would you list as people who that advantage [Truly Badass] applied to?
Let's see, being a true badass myself, I believe that I am well suited
to making a few suggestions...
-my own personal hero, Ash, from the Evil Dead Trilogy. He isn't
nearly a TB at first, but by the end of AoD he is a prime contender.
-Clint Eastwood, in many of his incarnations. Beginning with his
Spaghetti westerns and all the way down to Pale Rider, with some
Harry thrown in for good measure.
-certainly Zorro in some of his "vessels"
-Bruce Lee's character in Enter the Dragon
-and if sjohn can put Ben in his list (on the webpage) then I can add
a vote for Duke Nukem (which is in itself a vote for Ash, but...).
-Jack Russel from Big Trouble in Little China wants to be a badass,
but the jury's out on whether he gets there. And who can doubt Snake
Plissken?
-Darkman, natch
-Dolemite, doublenatch
But there is another echelon of action stars who don't fit into the
category, those being the more laid-back heroes, or those who rely
more on luck than much of anything else. Jackie Chan, for instance.
He is a badass only in that his characters have *incredible* timing
and acrobatic ability. Indiana Jones has mostly luck on his side.
Thanks for your time.
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DirkLancer <dirkl...@aol.com> wrote:
>All this talk recently on here about good old S. John has gotten me thinking
>back to his infamous "truely badass" and who that would apply to. My group
>frequently adds people to the badass list as they see movies.
When properly done, Batman is an excellent example of TB.
James Bond, too.
Leon from _The Professional_ also comes to mind.
>My group has argued Jackie Chan, but he doesn't seem to have the sociopathic
>ability to kill on a whim that your truely badass character should have.
TBs don't always kill on a whim - that's just the modern action-movie
version. The real idea of being Truly Badass is being so awesome that
normal people ('scrubs') just can't touch you.
Based on this, I don't think Jackie Chan is TB, as much as I like him. He
never seems to go through and wipe out his opposition easily - you rarely
see him one-punching his way through hordes of goons. On the other hand,
he's definitely not a scrub, either...
J
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He
| never seems to go through and wipe out his opposition easily - you rarely
| see him one-punching his way through hordes of goons. On the other hand,
| he's definitely not a scrub, either...
Furthermore, the hordes of goons are rarely intimidated by Jackie (until
the very second that he kicks their ass). That's one of the reasons he's so
endearing - he plays very likeable, vulnerable characters who just happens
to be able to take out thirty guys with a short length of rope and a
footstool. Whatever Jackie Chan's characters are, they're a lot cooler than
merely TBA.
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Fhaolan
>Based on this, I don't think Jackie Chan is TB, as much as I like him. He
>never seems to go through and wipe out his opposition easily - you rarely
>see him one-punching his way through hordes of goons. On the other hand,
>he's definitely not a scrub, either...
Jackie Chan may be simply Badass, instead of Truely Badass. Or maybe
he has a limitation 'Only when pissed off', or must say 'You all
crazy!'.... :)
-Fhaolan
Xiphias Gladius
>My group has argued Jackie Chan, but he doesn't seem to have the sociopathic
>ability to kill on a whim that your truely badass character should have.
>Anyone else have any suggestions?
My argument is that Jackie Chan plays a Truly Badass character in half his
movies and a Way Cool Swashbuckler in the other half.
It's pretty much the same thing, but there's a difference in attitude. I
also think that you should have a couple rules tweaks -- while Truly
Badass characters effectively have short range teleportation, Way Cool
Swoashbucklers effectively have short range flight -- Baddass people are
always popping up behind you, Swashbucklers are always climbing up walls,
swinging from things, jumping over tables, and the like.
- Ian
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tr...@starmail.com
>All this talk recently on here about good old S. John has gotten me thinking
>back to his infamous "truely badass" and who that would apply to.
>Anyone else have any suggestions?
How about the guy that cuts the cops ear off in Reservoir Dogs. I
think it's Mister Brown? He's definitely hardcore.
In fact, any of those guys from that movie.
Trent
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On 03 Jan 1999 23:10:56 PST, Evyn MacDude <wmac...@concentric.net>
wrote:
>
> Shaft.... Need I say more
>
>Evyn...
>
Yur damn right. Style over substance baby.
Trent
S. John Ross
thinking
| >back to his infamous "truely badass" and who that would apply to.
| >Anyone else have any suggestions?
|
| How about the guy that cuts the cops ear off in Reservoir Dogs. I
| think it's Mister Brown? He's definitely hardcore.
| In fact, any of those guys from that movie.
Hardcore, yes, but not free from the bounds of Mundane Realism. Reservoir
Dogs didn't have any unrealistic elements. Which is kinda scary,
considering ;)
G.Travis Blake
>
> I agree. Riggs in the first movie was definitely badass. The last two....
That's okay... Riggs' wife makes up for the lost Bad Ass points
in LW3 & 4. I mean, how many pregnant women can kick that much
butt and still glow?
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> My group has argued Jackie Chan, but he doesn't seem to have the sociopathic
> ability to kill on a whim that your truely badass character should have.
> Anyone else have any suggestions?
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SkywayTow
Definetly Lobo.
As was said in "Lobo: Infanticide pt IV",
"Who else will stitch, sew, and staple himself back together just to
continue a fight?"
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Kitarak
In article <19990103195509...@ng134.aol.com>, dirkl...@aol.com
(DirkLancer) writes:
>All this talk recently on here about good old S. John has gotten me thinking
>back to his infamous "truely badass" and who that would apply to. My group
>frequently adds people to the badass list as they see movies. We even tried
>the generic badass campaign, involving a rebellous cop, his "wacky" martial
>arts sidekick, and an army of cinematic ninja with a stolen nuke...
>Now of course, any action hero character from the 80's and 90's. The
>biggies
>from your Stallones, your Schwartzaneggers, your Van Dammes (only barely
>for
>him).
>So who all would you list as people who that advantage truely applied to?
>John McClain is a given. As much as he gets beaten and bloody, he is still
>infallible.
>If anyone saw Blade, i'd add him. Especially since vampires are kindling to
>him.
>Most of your Arnold movies from the 80's.
>My group has argued Jackie Chan, but he doesn't seem to have the sociopathic
>ability to kill on a whim that your truely badass character should have.
>Anyone else have any suggestions?
>
I think James Bond. I recently saw 'You only live twice' and that scene where
he's running across the roof, manages to put down about 50 thugs with one punch
and performs at least 3 near impossible acrobatic feats qualifies him by
itself. At least Badass if not truly badass.
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SkywayTow <skyw...@aol.commode> wrote:
>Lobo.
>Definetly Lobo.
>As was said in "Lobo: Infanticide pt IV",
> "Who else will stitch, sew, and staple himself back together just to
>continue a fight?"
Good point. At one point, he had himself ripped in half so that he would
stay dead long enough to go and beat the snot out of a ghost who ticked
him off.
Lobo /might/ only be Badass-level, though. I'm sure he's got the 'go
through scrubs like toilet paper' power and the 'scare the weak' one, and
possibly the 'if it's mechanical, it likes you' power, but he doesn't seem
to have the 'recognize anything', 'win anything', or instant semi-teleport
that TBA gives you.
Not that this should reflect poorly on the Main Man, though. He's more of
a badass than James Bond, who would definitely have Truly Badass on his
advantage list. It's just that James has a bit more breadth to his
badassedness.
SkywayTow
>through scrubs like toilet paper' power and the 'scare the weak' one, and
>possibly the 'if it's mechanical, it likes you' power, but he doesn't seem
>to have the 'recognize anything', 'win anything', or instant semi-teleport
>that TBA gives you.
>
>
>Not that this should reflect poorly on the Main Man, though. He's more of
>a badass than James Bond, who would definitely have Truly Badass on his
>advantage list. It's just that James has a bit more breadth to his
>badassedness.
>
>
>
And don't forget the fight between Lobo and Santa Claus.
~Caleb (Proud owner of The first appearance of Lobo. He's in an old copy of
"The Omega Men". VERY different costume. Short hair. But the face is the same.)
Knight
> Furthermore, the hordes of goons are rarely intimidated by Jackie
>(until
> the very second that he kicks their ass). That's one of the reasons
>he's so
> endearing - he plays very likeable, vulnerable characters who just happens
> to be able to take out thirty guys with a short length of rope and a
> footstool. Whatever Jackie Chan's characters are, they're a lot cooler
>than
> merely TBA.
>
ROTFLMAO! Talking of bizzare improvised weapons, has anyone got any more
good nominatons for the best one of these? I'll suggest the infamous "30
ways to kill someone with a rolled up newpaper" <25 usenet points>
Knight
Knight
Matt Lathrum
TB. Before and after his "transformation". With earlobe necklaces, who can
pass him up? :)
Matt
Jon Seeley
DirkLancer wrote in message <19990103195509...@ng134.aol.com>...
>All this talk recently on here about good old S. John has gotten me
thinking
>back to his infamous "truely badass" and who that would apply to. My
group
>frequently adds people to the badass list as they see movies. We even
tried
>the generic badass campaign, involving a rebellous cop, his "wacky"
martial
>arts sidekick, and an army of cinematic ninja with a stolen nuke...
>Now of course, any action hero character from the 80's and 90's. The
biggies
>from your Stallones, your Schwartzaneggers, your Van Dammes (only barely
for
>him).
>So who all would you list as people who that advantage truely applied to?
>John McClain is a given. As much as he gets beaten and bloody, he is
still
>infallible.
>If anyone saw Blade, i'd add him. Especially since vampires are kindling
to
>him.
>Most of your Arnold movies from the 80's.
>My group has argued Jackie Chan, but he doesn't seem to have the
SkywayTow
lumber.
Hmm. Arnie's deadfall in "Predator" was nice. Salt water in an insulin
hypo to kill Julian Sands in the first "Warlock" movie was also nice, but
Kassandra wasn't much of a badass.
I'd say the best two improvised weapons would have to be the Gauntlet Ash
built in AoD, and the Chevy Steam Powered Tank he built in the same movie.
~Caleb
SkywayTow
>
>
>3 words: Chow Yun Fatt
>
>
"The Replacement Killers" was good, but not the best. Try and find "Hard
Boiled" in the foriegn film section. One of John Woo's better films.
~Caleb ( "You give a man a Gun and he's Superman! You give him two and he's a
God!")
Paul Andrew King
skyw...@aol.commode (SkywayTow) wrote:
frp.gurps
>
>Lobo.
>Definetly Lobo.
>As was said in "Lobo: Infanticide pt IV",
> "Who else will stitch, sew, and staple himself back together just to
>continue a fight?"
Ron Post ?
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Charleson Mambo
skyw...@aol.commode (SkywayTow) wrote:
> Well, barstools and chairs are obvious. So are bottles, baseball
bats, and
> lumber.
> Hmm. Arnie's deadfall in "Predator" was nice. Salt water in an insulin
> hypo to kill Julian Sands in the first "Warlock" movie was also nice, but
> Kassandra wasn't much of a badass.
> I'd say the best two improvised weapons would have to be the Gauntlet Ash
> built in AoD, and the Chevy Steam Powered Tank he built in the same movie.
>
> ~Caleb
>
Wouldn't that be 'Badass Gadgeteering'? ie Can whip up something really
nasty out of spare parts and duct tape in a few minutes.
Charleson Mambo
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Charleson Mambo wrote in message ...
>Wouldn't that be 'Badass Gadgeteering'? ie Can whip up something really
>nasty out of spare parts and duct tape in a few minutes.
Then Mr. T played the ultimate 'Badass Gadgeteer' on the A-Team; BA
(stands for Badass) Barakis.
Mark Jones
johannes wrote:
> In print fiction, the baddest of the badasses would have to be Mack Bolan,
> The Executioner.
Not even close. Remo Williams, the Destroyer is the baddest of badasses.
There is virtually nothing he cannot do (and he can't, Chiun surely can). He
wipes out armies with his bare hands and never breaks a sweat--literally.
Remo, Master of Sinanju, is the baddest badass around. Period.
But then, I may be biased--hence my email address.
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Jimmie Pursell
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<76rlpk$hq8$1...@news.cyberhighway.net>...
>
> Then Mr. T played the ultimate 'Badass Gadgeteer' on the A-Team; BA
>(stands for Badass) Barakis.
>
Though I categorically deny every watching the A-Team, I thought the BA
stood for Bad Attitude, though the other moniker would also be quite
descriptive.
Jesse Lowe
Jon Seeley wrote:
> Han Solo. Pure Badass (until he joins the rebels...) then he goes soft.
Well, hey, I guess that means you need.... Boba Fett.
Jesse Lowe
Ash, from the Evil Dead series.
jesse
S. John Ross
| >
|
| Bruce Lee *was* TB. No need to play a role, he defined them.
No real human can be realistically described as having TB. It's not a
realistic advantage. Lee's *characters,* sure. But not Lee.
S. John Ross
Boba Fett: the prime example of whatever the opposite of TBA is. Wimpass, I
guess.
DirkLancer
How about outside live action cinema? I could see Batman in a way (except for
the sociopathic killing) and Vampire Hunter D spring to mind. Actually, anime
is full of Badass people. Golga 13 from the Professional is a good one.
DirkLancer
>guess.
Agreed. If he was truely badass, he wouldn't need all that power armor and
would have gnawed his way back out the Sarlacc. A truely badass would take him
down with a can opener and still leave it sharp enough to crack open a brew...
The only time I could even see an inkling of badass in the Star Wars movies was
Luke on Jabba's skiff. But still just an inkling...
Bryan J. Maloney
<sin...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> Not even close. Remo Williams, the Destroyer is the baddest of badasses.
> There is virtually nothing he cannot do (and he can't, Chiun surely can). He
> wipes out armies with his bare hands and never breaks a sweat--literally.
>
> Remo, Master of Sinanju, is the baddest badass around. Period.
No, Remo is the Number Two Badass. Number One Baddest Badass is Oliver
Wendell Chiun, and he never let's that upstart pup Remo forget it.
The earlier books were better, though, as it always is...
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'nuff said.
Shawn A. Wilson
Bryan J. Maloney wrote in message ...
>> Remo, Master of Sinanju, is the baddest badass around. Period.
>
>No, Remo is the Number Two Badass. Number One Baddest Badass is Oliver
>Wendell Chiun, and he never let's that upstart pup Remo forget it.
Sorry to disappoint you, but Remo has beaten Chiun.
>The earlier books were better, though, as it always is...
Yep.
S. John Ross
| >| Bruce Lee *was* TB. No need to play a role, he defined them.
| >
| >No real human can be realistically described as having TB. It's not a
| >realistic advantage. Lee's *characters,* sure. But not Lee.
|
| missed a definition of TB in an earlier thread. Any chance of seeing
| it again? (or its link?)
The advantage (and many others) can be found in the "Beyond the Grip of
Realism" article at the "Gunmetal Blue" portion of the Blue Room:
http://www.io.com/~sjohn/action.htm
DarkShidhe
In article <36916C...@compuserve.com>, Knight <10671...@compuserve.com>
writes:
>Ace Rimmer, from Red Dwarf, is pretty much the dictionary definition :).
There is an anime series called Key, The Metal Idol. In it is a character
called Sergi. Watch the series and you will understand why the dictionary says
"see Sergi" when you look up the word "badass."
Darkwalker
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>
> Bryan J. Maloney wrote in message ...
> >> Remo, Master of Sinanju, is the baddest badass around. Period.
> >
> >No, Remo is the Number Two Badass. Number One Baddest Badass is Oliver
> >Wendell Chiun, and he never let's that upstart pup Remo forget it.
>
> Sorry to disappoint you, but Remo has beaten Chiun.
Yes but that was after Remo had been made a true Master of
Sinanju by the spirit of Master Wang, for the force of Sinanju is
always stronger just after initiation. And Chiun was possessed (or
under mind control) at the time...
OK so maybe I know a bit too much about this kind of thing...
BTW Anyone ever try to make Sinanju as a Martial Arts style?
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Sakura
Vegard Valberg <vval...@online.no> wrote:
> BTW Anyone ever try to make Sinanju as a Martial Arts style?
No, but it's easy.
1) Take GURPS Martial Arts.
2) Well...there really is no step 2. Step 1 pretty much covers it.
Remember, all other martial arts are but pale reflections of the glory of
Sinanju.
J
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Peter Meilinger
: Bryan J. Maloney wrote in message ...
: >> Remo, Master of Sinanju, is the baddest badass around. Period.
: >
: >No, Remo is the Number Two Badass. Number One Baddest Badass is Oliver
: >Wendell Chiun, and he never let's that upstart pup Remo forget it.
: Sorry to disappoint you, but Remo has beaten Chiun.
Has he? Huh. I'd still give the Ultimate Badass title to Chiun, 'cause
his attitude is so much cooler. And attitude is such a big part of
Badassity.
Speaking of Remo and Chiun, Marvel Comics did an absolutely great
series of black and white Destroyer comics about 10 years ago. They
were magazine sized instead of comic book sized and I'd highly recommend
them to anyone who can find them.
Pete
Vegard Valberg
>
> Shawn A. Wilson (swi...@uic.edu) wrote:
>
> : Bryan J. Maloney wrote in message ...
> : >> Remo, Master of Sinanju, is the baddest badass around. Period.
> : >
> : >No, Remo is the Number Two Badass. Number One Baddest Badass is Oliver
> : >Wendell Chiun, and he never let's that upstart pup Remo forget it.
>
> : Sorry to disappoint you, but Remo has beaten Chiun.
>
> Has he? Huh. I'd still give the Ultimate Badass title to Chiun, 'cause
> his attitude is so much cooler. And attitude is such a big part of
> Badassity.
Right on!
> Speaking of Remo and Chiun, Marvel Comics did an absolutely great
> series of black and white Destroyer comics about 10 years ago. They
> were magazine sized instead of comic book sized and I'd highly recommend
> them to anyone who can find them.
>
> Pete
I know, I got them (Norwegian translation), really good.
Vegard Valberg
>
> In article <369368...@online.no>,
> Vegard Valberg <vval...@online.no> wrote:
>
> > BTW Anyone ever try to make Sinanju as a Martial Arts style?
>
> No, but it's easy.
>
> 1) Take GURPS Martial Arts.
>
> 2) Well...there really is no step 2. Step 1 pretty much covers it.
>
> Remember, all other martial arts are but pale reflections of the glory of
> Sinanju.
Well yes but that's not quite enough, I think you will need GURPS
Supers as well to reflect some of their more outragous abilities...
Vegard Valberg
>
> In article <369385...@online.no>, vval...@online.no wrote:
>
> > Sakura wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <369368...@online.no>,
> > > Vegard Valberg <vval...@online.no> wrote:
> > >
> > > > BTW Anyone ever try to make Sinanju as a Martial Arts style?
> > >
> > > No, but it's easy.
> > >
> > > 1) Take GURPS Martial Arts.
> > >
> > > 2) Well...there really is no step 2. Step 1 pretty much covers it.
> > >
> > > Remember, all other martial arts are but pale reflections of the glory of
> > > Sinanju.
> >
> >
> > Well yes but that's not quite enough, I think you will need GURPS
> > Supers as well to reflect some of their more outragous abilities...
>
And GURPS Black Ops (maybe even Illuminati) for CURE and the
various other nutters that run around in that setting. BTW how about
a match between a Black Op and Remo?
J. Hunter Johnson
> In article <76uj1m$2jtg$1...@piglet.cc.uic.edu>, "Shawn A. Wilson"
> <swi...@uic.edu> wrote:
>> Bryan J. Maloney wrote in message ...
>>>> Remo, Master of Sinanju, is the baddest badass around. Period.
>>>No, Remo is the Number Two Badass. Number One Baddest Badass is Oliver
>>>Wendell Chiun, and he never let's that upstart pup Remo forget it.
>> Sorry to disappoint you, but Remo has beaten Chiun.
> In the earlier books?
What was it someone just said in another thread? Oh, yeah: "When all
else fails, redefine your terms."
Hunter
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Bryan J. Maloney
> Bryan J. Maloney wrote in message ...
> >> Remo, Master of Sinanju, is the baddest badass around. Period.
> >
> >No, Remo is the Number Two Badass. Number One Baddest Badass is Oliver
> >Wendell Chiun, and he never let's that upstart pup Remo forget it.
>
> Sorry to disappoint you, but Remo has beaten Chiun.
In the earlier books?
--
Bryan J. Maloney
> Sakura wrote:
> >
> > In article <369368...@online.no>,
> > Vegard Valberg <vval...@online.no> wrote:
> >
> > > BTW Anyone ever try to make Sinanju as a Martial Arts style?
> >
> > No, but it's easy.
> >
> > 1) Take GURPS Martial Arts.
> >
> > 2) Well...there really is no step 2. Step 1 pretty much covers it.
> >
> > Remember, all other martial arts are but pale reflections of the glory of
> > Sinanju.
>
>
> Well yes but that's not quite enough, I think you will need GURPS
> Supers as well to reflect some of their more outragous abilities...
And GURPS Psionics.
--
Peter Meilinger
: And GURPS Black Ops (maybe even Illuminati) for CURE and the
: various other nutters that run around in that setting. BTW how about
: a match between a Black Op and Remo?
Black Op vs. Remo = dead Black Op. Sorry, but even the most pumped
up Combat Op doesn't really approach Remo's abilities. Now, a whole
Black Op team could probably give him a run for his money, but
they'd need at least half a dozen warm bodies to keep him distracted.
Pete
Xiphias Gladius
>In article <369368...@online.no>,
>Vegard Valberg <vval...@online.no> wrote:
>> BTW Anyone ever try to make Sinanju as a Martial Arts style?
>No, but it's easy.
>1) Take GURPS Martial Arts.
>2) Well...there really is no step 2. Step 1 pretty much covers it.
>Remember, all other martial arts are but pale reflections of the glory of
>Sinanju.
In other words, Sinanju has only two skills -- Skullcracking and
Manhandling?
- Ian
--
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Vegard Valberg
I know, I'd just like to see this arrogant team of Black Ops
going up against Remo and Chiun... It would be outragous fun...
A better match might be CURE vs The Company, both with all
of their assets... I would say that Harold Smith is a match for ARGUS
and Chiun and Remo is certain a match for any Black Ops, but that would
be the battle of the Titans...
Vegard Valberg
>
> je...@dillinger.io.com (Sakura) writes:
>
> >In article <369368...@online.no>,
> >Vegard Valberg <vval...@online.no> wrote:
>
> >> BTW Anyone ever try to make Sinanju as a Martial Arts style?
>
> >No, but it's easy.
>
> >1) Take GURPS Martial Arts.
>
> >2) Well...there really is no step 2. Step 1 pretty much covers it.
>
> >Remember, all other martial arts are but pale reflections of the glory of
> >Sinanju.
>
> In other words, Sinanju has only two skills -- Skullcracking and
> Manhandling?
And running faster than cars, walking on water, having an ST of
at least 80! and a DX of 20+. Look even a 10 dan Black Ops would still
loose to Remo and Chiun, they are not realistic in the way Black Ops are
(And YES I know how *UN*-realistic the Black Ops are!!!), imagine all
the cinematical abilities of all the Martial Arts, multiply them by
twenty (in strength and number) and you got Sinanju... I mean they can
dodge bullets (20 elite commandoes firing full auto and not one hit).
Cinematic? Oh yes. Fun? Sure. Realistic? NO WAY...
Knight
definition of a True Badass is the graphic novel version of Batman.
Personally, I think Sinster + Dexter are even better examples, with Ace
Rimmer a close second :).
Knight
> called Sergi. Watch the series and you will understand why the dictionary says
> "see Sergi" when you look up the word "badass."
Has he ever killed two enemys, totally incidentaly, with a hypervelocity
crocodile?
Steffan O'Sullivan
of badass has to be Eric John Stark from Leigh Brackett's _Skaith_
novels and other stories. (The Skaith novels are, in order, _The
Ginger Star_, _The Hounds of Skaith_, The Reivers of Skaith_.
Collected together as _The Book of Skaith_. Probably out of print, but
easy to find in used bookstores, and well worth the miniscule effort.)
--
-Steffan O'Sullivan | "Never argue with a fool. Others may not
s...@vnet.net | be able to tell the difference."
Chapel Hill, NC | -old proverb predicting
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Sakura
Xiphias Gladius <i...@schultz.io.com> wrote:
>je...@dillinger.io.com (Sakura) writes:
>
>>In article <369368...@online.no>,
>>Vegard Valberg <vval...@online.no> wrote:
>
>>> BTW Anyone ever try to make Sinanju as a Martial Arts style?
>
>>No, but it's easy.
>
>>1) Take GURPS Martial Arts.
>
>>2) Well...there really is no step 2. Step 1 pretty much covers it.
>
>>Remember, all other martial arts are but pale reflections of the glory of
>>Sinanju.
>
>In other words, Sinanju has only two skills -- Skullcracking and
>Manhandling?
Even the 'arts' of the Black Ops are but shadows cast by the light of
Sinanju. If a vase is shattered into a multitude of pieces and then
carefully reassembled, it may seem complete, but it is no longer that
which was broken.
J, who fondly remembers the Remo books & comics. And even the movie.
Bryan J. Maloney
Johnson) wrote:
> Bryan J. Maloney <bj...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> > In article <76uj1m$2jtg$1...@piglet.cc.uic.edu>, "Shawn A. Wilson"
> > <swi...@uic.edu> wrote:
>
> >> Bryan J. Maloney wrote in message ...
> >>>> Remo, Master of Sinanju, is the baddest badass around. Period.
>
> >>>No, Remo is the Number Two Badass. Number One Baddest Badass is Oliver
> >>>Wendell Chiun, and he never let's that upstart pup Remo forget it.
>
> >> Sorry to disappoint you, but Remo has beaten Chiun.
>
> > In the earlier books?
>
> What was it someone just said in another thread? Oh, yeah: "When all
> else fails, redefine your terms."
If it's good enough for Kromm, isn't it good enough for me? I'll admit to
hypocrisy in this case when he admits to hypocrisy in the other.
Bryan J. Maloney
<10671...@compuserve.com> wrote:
"That was my best shirt!"
John & Kinga Britschgi
Mark Jones
Xiphias Gladius wrote:
> je...@dillinger.io.com (Sakura) writes:
>
> >In article <369368...@online.no>,
> >Vegard Valberg <vval...@online.no> wrote:
>
> >> BTW Anyone ever try to make Sinanju as a Martial Arts style?
>
> >No, but it's easy.
>
> >1) Take GURPS Martial Arts.
>
> >2) Well...there really is no step 2. Step 1 pretty much covers it.
>
> >Remember, all other martial arts are but pale reflections of the glory of
> >Sinanju.
>
> In other words, Sinanju has only two skills -- Skullcracking and
> Manhandling?
Yes and no. In practice, were I to allow a PC to be a Master of Sinanju, I'd
just have him take Manhandling and Skullcracking skills; in theory, any
martial arts technique anywhere is a pale imitation of the true Sinanju
technique. (F'r instance, all of Ninjutsu is based on a handful of moves a
hidden watcher observed when the Master was hired to assassinate someone.
When the Master of Sinanju learned of ninjas muscling in on their game--hired
assassins--he visited the ninja masters and demonstrated _why_ Sinanju is
called the "Sun Source" of martial arts. Ninjas wear masks not to hide their
faces but because the Master commanded them to do so because thieves wear
masks, and if ever a ninja didn't wear his mask, the Master would come and
annihilate them all.)
A practical Master of Sinanju would need a huge variety of abilities. In
Champions, I'd just give them a VPP with a "martial arts" special effect. In
GURPS, its more difficult. Superhuman strength, speed, awareness and a host
of other advantages are needed to properly play up the abilities you see in
the novels. But once you've assigned them, the Masters of Sinanju are the
very definition of the True Badass.
They can wade through armies of commandos, Rangers, SAS, Spetznaz, etc.
without ever breaking a sweat. Virtually every other human being on the
planet is a scrub--the number of opponents who could actually threaten Remo
and Chiun physically over the course of 120 novels is very small.
If Remo and Chiun don't want to be seen, they won't be. They routinely slip
unobserved into the White House, the Kremlin, high security military
facilities, prisons, anywhere. Remo has even been known to play childish
games like tapping someone on the shoulder and staying out of sight as the guy
spins--repeatedly--trying to spot him. On the other hand, if they want to be
noticed, nobody else makes an entrance like they do.
In any contest of physical strength, dexterity, speed, or skill, they win.
Period. That Remo is, uh, not the brightest bulb in the box has more to do
with the comedic tone of the books than anything else. Chiun, while reputedly
very unfamiliar with Western culture, is a font of historical and cultural
lore, and is amazing adept at dealing with things he allegedly knows nothing
about (though usually in a very unusual manner).
They do tend to have trouble with equipment failing them, but a) mostly for
comic effect, and b) they seldom _need_ anything but their own prowess anyhow,
so it really doesn't matter.
--
Mark Jones
"The most difficult struggle of all is the one within ourselves. Let us not
get accustomed and adjusted to these conditions. The one who adjusts ceases
to discriminate between good and evil. He becomes a slave in body and soul.
Whatever may happen to you, remember always: Don't adjust! Revolt against
the reality!" - Mordechai Anielewicz, Warsaw, 1943
Andy Staples
>And who can doubt Snake
>Plissken?
Snake Plissken? I heard he was dead...
--
Andy Staples (andy.staples(at)minarsas.demon.co.uk)
That very night in Max's room a forest grew, and grew, and grew, until his
ceiling hung with vines, and the walls became the world all around. And an ocean
tumbled by with a private boat for Max, and he sailed off through night and day,
and in and out of weeks, and almost over a year, to where the wild things are.
- Maurice Sendak, "Where the Wild Things Are".
Andy Staples
>| >All this talk recently on here about good old S. John has gotten me
>thinking
>| >back to his infamous "truely badass" and who that would apply to.
>| >Anyone else have any suggestions?
>|
>| How about the guy that cuts the cops ear off in Reservoir Dogs. I
>| think it's Mister Brown? He's definitely hardcore.
>| In fact, any of those guys from that movie.
>
>Hardcore, yes, but not free from the bounds of Mundane Realism. Reservoir
>Dogs didn't have any unrealistic elements. Which is kinda scary,
>considering ;)
Not half as scary as the creepy-looking guy in the pinstripe suit who
knew the entire script off pat when I went to see RD three days after it
opened...
I *still* have shivers just thinking about him.
Peter Meilinger
: Jeb E. Zingo <jebz...@geocities.com> writes
: >And who can doubt Snake
: >Plissken?
: Snake Plissken? I heard he was dead...
Speaking of "I heard you was dead" I can nominate a couple of
John Wayne characters. A lot of his movies were too damn over the
top for me, but some of them did it very well.
Big Jake McCandles from "Big Jake." He's the one everyone thought
was dead. "Not hardly!" Also great co-stars in this one, including
Richard Boone as the bad guy. Can't go wrong there.
Rooster Cogburn from "True Grit." Facing down half a dozen enemies, he
has the best western line ever. "Fill yer hand, you son of a bitch!"
The Shootist, can't remember the characters name. Dying of cancer, he
still manages to outgun the three pros he maneuvers into trying to
kill him. AND he teaches Richie Cunningham to shoot. AND Richard
Boone played a bad guy again.
Speaking of dying and being mean, I'll also nominate Val Kilmer's
take on Doc Holliday in "Tombstone." Dying of TB and still the
deadliest bastard in the movie.
You can also add in pretty much all of The Magnificent Seven. Especially
James Coburn's character. Ever since then I've liked to use knife
throwers in gunfights in every system you can get away with it in.
Pete
Shawn A. Wilson
Mark Jones wrote in message <36943677...@pacifier.com>...
>They can wade through armies of commandos, Rangers, SAS, Spetznaz, etc.
>without ever breaking a sweat. Virtually every other human being on the
>planet is a scrub--the number of opponents who could actually threaten Remo
>and Chiun physically over the course of 120 novels is very small.
Two?
Nuihc and the Dutchman.
Mr Gordens is a challenge, but not in a straight up fight. The same for
Friend. I can't think of anyone else. (Maybe whoever's wearing the
intangibility suit)
J. Hunter Johnson
> In article <770253$r1d$1...@hiram.io.com>, jhun...@schultz.io.com (J. Hunter
> Johnson) wrote:
>> What was it someone just said in another thread? Oh, yeah: "When
>> all else fails, redefine your terms."
> If it's good enough for Kromm, isn't it good enough for me? I'll
> admit to hypocrisy in this case when he admits to hypocrisy in the
> other.
Actually, this is a case of hypocrisy only on your part -- you accused
Kromm of redefining terms (incorrectly, I might add), and then
proceeded to do it yourself. Not the other way 'round.
Besides which, "He did it first!" is not an excuse -- they won't even
accept that from kindergarteners.
Xiphias Gladius
>Speaking of "I heard you was dead" I can nominate a couple of
>John Wayne characters. A lot of his movies were too damn over the
>top for me, but some of them did it very well.
>Big Jake McCandles from "Big Jake." He's the one everyone thought
>was dead. "Not hardly!" Also great co-stars in this one, including
>Richard Boone as the bad guy. Can't go wrong there.
I *think* "Big Jake" was the one with my favorite Wayne line:
John Wayne is in a shower stall -- you can see his shoulders and up above
the stall, and about his knees down below the stall. He's taking a
shower. The bad guy who's been hired to kill him walks in, points his two
revolvers at Wayne, and says, "It's just business, no hard feelings, eh?"
The door to the stall explodes, and you see that Wayne is wearing a towel
wrapped around his waist, and holding a shotgun. The bad guy goes flying
out the door, real dead, and Wayne says, "The hell there aren't."
That's pretty baddass.
Peter Meilinger
: mell...@bu.edu (Peter Meilinger) writes:
: That's pretty baddass.
That was Big Jake all right. Great movie, especially since it was set
in 1906 or so. There's cars and motorcycles and even an automatic
pistol, but it's still the old-time cowboy who gets the job done.
Pete
Jimmie Pursell
Peter Meilinger wrote in message <772nk8$322$2...@news1.bu.edu>...
>Xiphias Gladius (i...@dillinger.io.com) wrote:
>: mell...@bu.edu (Peter Meilinger) writes:
>
>: I *think* "Big Jake" was the one with my favorite Wayne line:
>
>: John Wayne is in a shower stall -- you can see his shoulders and up above
>: the stall, and about his knees down below the stall. He's taking a
>: shower. The bad guy who's been hired to kill him walks in, points his
two
>: revolvers at Wayne, and says, "It's just business, no hard feelings, eh?"
>
>: The door to the stall explodes, and you see that Wayne is wearing a towel
>: wrapped around his waist, and holding a shotgun. The bad guy goes flying
>: out the door, real dead, and Wayne says, "The hell there aren't."
>
>: That's pretty baddass.
>
Speaking of favorite Wayne lines, Big Jake also contains mine. The scene
near the end where they're riding in to make the exchange and Wayne looks at
the dead guy. The bad guy asks, "The sight of blood bother you?" And Wayne
replies, "Only my own."
--Jimmie
Incanus
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Vegard Valberg
>
> The ultimate Badass: Tasmanian Devil!
The Predator
Gwendolwyn Ingolffsdottir (DRAKA)
Knight
> James Coburn's character. Ever since then I've liked to use knife
> throwers in gunfights in every system you can get away with it in.
I can't belive you mentioned The Magnificient Seven without mentionig the
guys they were based on. Now they were badass.
Knight
decapitates that guy.
Peter Meilinger
: > You can also add in pretty much all of The Magnificent Seven. Especially
This is true. But I really enjoyed The Magnificent Seven more than The
Seven Samurai. Maybe it's just because I'm a western fan but I like the
story better in a western setting.
Pete
Kevin O'Hare
I think I concur with the choice of Remo Williams. He has skills that
defy reality, and yet stand firmly within the real world at the same
time. I started to write down what it would take to create a Remo
Williams. I think I could make Spider-man with fewer points.
Some others come to mind that I have not yet seen listed.
Tarzan: Lord of the Jungle, on his turff, watch out.
"Doc" Savage: He could give Remo a run for his money
The Phantom: Mysterious and very capable.
Comic book character Sable (not Silver Sable): A better Mack Bolan
Sergeant Rock!: Now, there's a Badass!
or
Sergeant Fury: Before he got promoted...
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>The ultimate Badass: Tasmanian Devil!
Yes, yes, and thrice yes!
--
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That very night in Max's room a forest grew, and grew, and grew, until his
ceiling hung with vines, and the walls became the world all around.
Brandi Weed
Miyowara Tomokato, the Samurai Cat.
'Nuff said.
--
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bra...@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~brandi/
BOB!! Williams
>
> Interesting list of Badasses so far...
>
How 'bout The Shadow?
Regards,
BOB!!
Kitarak
In article <369555...@compuserve.com>, Knight <10671...@compuserve.com>
writes:
>Nahh, the most badass line ever is from Snow Crash, just before Hiro
>decapitates that guy.
Remind me of it...
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Kitarak
'What is a human being, then?'
'A seed.'
'A... seed?'
'An acorn that is unafraid to destroy itself in growing into a tree'
David Zindell, The Broken God
KEnloe7572
Incanus
> >The ultimate Badass: Tasmanian Devil!
>
> Yes, yes, and thrice yes!
Isn't he? I have a t-shirt with his face and the title. Born to be Wild!
Although, considering who's wearing the shirt (me), it would be more
precise if that "M" was turned upside-down.... :)
Caleb Archer
> Seven Samurai. Maybe it's just because I'm a western fan but I like the
> story better in a western setting.
>
> Pete
>
>
Even better, watch "Yojimbo", then watch "A Fistful of Dollars".
~Caleb
AzeezHayne
>From: skyw...@aol.commode (SkywayTow)
>Date: Mon, Jan 4, 1999 17:01 EST
>Message-id: <19990104170122...@ng113.aol.com>
>
>>> Anyone else have any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>3 words: Chow Yun Fatt
>>
>>
>
> "The Replacement Killers" was good, but not the best. Try and find "Hard
>Boiled" in the foriegn film section. One of John Woo's better films.
>
I'd say his best film was "The Killer," but only the subtitled version. I can't
stand those films dubbed. BTW, John Woo's style doesn't seem to transfer well
into hollywood. His Hong Kong films are always much much better.
Azeez
janu...@my-dejanews.com
is tough, its the style. My players in a black ops game almost cried when he
was done. They all lived,just some wished they hadn't. I think what realy
unnerved them was he played by rules. They just didn't know what those rules
were. Leigh Janu...@yahoo.com
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NEil Phillips
>| >-Bruce Lee's character in Enter the Dragon
>| >
>|
>| Bruce Lee *was* TB. No need to play a role, he defined them.
>
>No real human can be realistically described as having TB. It's not a
>realistic advantage. Lee's *characters,* sure. But not Lee.
Wasn't tehre a documentary-ish biographical film about him? or was
that someone else?
The portrayal in that was very much Baddass, regardless of teh actual
guy :)
--
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a.k.a. N-ster...
The opinions expressed in this message are not my own,
but rather are those of Microsoft Corporation.
NEil Phillips
wisdom:
>SJohn, who came up with the damm thing, say that the absolute dictionary
>definition of a True Badass is the graphic novel version of Batman.
>Personally, I think Sinster + Dexter are even better examples, with Ace
>Rimmer a close second :).
Nah, Ace isn't Badass. I guess it's closer to Swashbuckler - I'm
thinking we treally do need the new advantage, the one for the suave
sophosticated bond-like person.
Anyhow, Ace is beyond that. He can automatically kill fodder.. AND the
major baddies.. AND he can to skywriting with a motorcycle!
..What a guy!
NEil Phillips
wisdom:
>You can also add in pretty much all of The Magnificent Seven. Especially
>James Coburn's character. Ever since then I've liked to use knife
>throwers in gunfights in every system you can get away with it in.
Eveyr played action quake?
actually, that's a point, has anyone on here played Action Quake? It's
like quake, but you get to play a real action hero guy.. plus the
weapons are real, do a realistic amout of damage, rto specific
locations, and you can play across the roof of (and inside) a moving
train! what more could you want..
and you can bring a knife to a gunfight.. the original point.. but you
have to be clever, throwing through windows etc.. :)
NEil Phillips
>>Boba Fett: the prime example of whatever the opposite of TBA is. Wimpass, I
>>guess.
>
>Agreed. If he was truely badass, he wouldn't need all that power armor and
>would have gnawed his way back out the Sarlacc. A truely badass would take him
>down with a can opener and still leave it sharp enough to crack open a brew...
>The only time I could even see an inkling of badass in the Star Wars movies was
>Luke on Jabba's skiff. But still just an inkling...
I agree, Boba Fett isn't Badass.. but a reliance on gadgets doesn't
discount badassity.. look at Batman..
I'm not big starwars fan (I've seen the movies and went to see the
special editions*), but a friend of mine who si insists that fett
didn't die there.. then again, tehre's so many books about, who knows
what happens..
* I do own a couple of 12" star wars toys, chewie and darth vader -
probably be worth a pretty penny now, if only my well-meaning mother
haden'd thrown away the light sabres becuase they might have taken an
eye out or some silly reason.. These are from way back, before my
time, which is why I suspec tthey woulda been worth something..
NEil Phillips
wisdom:
>> There is an anime series called Key, The Metal Idol. In it is a character
>> called Sergi. Watch the series and you will understand why the dictionary says
>> "see Sergi" when you look up the word "badass."
>
>Has he ever killed two enemys, totally incidentaly, with a hypervelocity
>crocodile?
Bet he can't to skywriting with a motorbike, either..
Knight
NeonB.
<snip>
> So who all would you list as people who that advantage truely applied to?
> John McClain is a given. As much as he gets beaten and bloody, he is still
> infallible.
> If anyone saw Blade, i'd add him. Especially since vampires are kindling to
> him.
> Most of your Arnold movies from the 80's.
> My group has argued Jackie Chan, but he doesn't seem to have the sociopathic
> ability to kill on a whim that your truely badass character should have.
> Anyone else have any suggestions?
Yeah! Snake Pliskin(escape from LA/NY), Jack Burton(Big trouble in little
China), A number of Chow Yun Fat characters(the Killer,Hard Boiled, Full
Contact), Charlene Baltimore(Long Kiss Goodnight), Jaws(from James Bond),
The Punisher(Dolph Lungren), Xena (Lucy Lawless and Callisto(sp?)).
Ja ne,
NeonB.
NEil Phillips
wisdom:
>Sound great! Can you point me to an URL?
Sure;
(I don't have it on my hard drive anymore, or quake 2, it simply
doesn't fit :) )
OK, I gotta go now, gotta play Total Annihilation :)
Gregory Loren Hansen
Geronimo?
He and his men were on the warpath for twenty years, killed hundreds of
people, on foot they could out-distance the cavalry. He had a reputation
that he couldn't be killed; he'd been shot a number of times, but never
stopped. Finally surrendered because he grew tired of fighting and wanted
to see his family. But he was never defeated.
--
"Besides, it doesn't take much creativity or courage to figure out that
something which reads 'Danger: Flammable' on the label might be fun to
fool about with." -- Joris van Dorp
Knight
> > infallible.
Never heard of him, sorry.
> > If anyone saw Blade, i'd add him. Especially since vampires are kindling to
> > him.
> > Most of your Arnold movies from the 80's.
nope. *style* is a factor here, boys.
> > My group has argued Jackie Chan, but he doesn't seem to have the sociopathic
> > ability to kill on a whim that your truely badass character should have.
As SJohn's said, he's more of a swashbuckler.
> Yeah! Snake Pliskin(escape from LA/NY), Jack Burton(Big trouble in
>little
> China),
never seen either of these.
> A number of Chow Yun Fat characters(the Killer,Hard Boiled, Full
> Contact),
Ditto.
> Charlene Baltimore(Long Kiss Goodnight),
Most definately! She's got one of the funniest lines ever!
>Jaws(from James Bond),
Hmm
>Xena (Lucy Lawless and Callisto(sp?)).
Get real. The girl's on the side of good, fer chrissake.
My nominees;
Periostiec Baldeva <from Consider Phlebas, S.C.'s finest, last man
standing>,
Skaffen Amitsaw <from The Use Of Weapons, TL 15+ wardrone and smartass>
Sinster and Dexter, possibly Demi Octavo too <Am I the only person who's
heard of them?>
Almost the entire Atredies family
Almost anyone from Snow Crash, apart from Y.T.'s mum.
JStaik1043
>> > infallible.
>
>Never heard of him, sorry.
John McClain is the lead character from the "Die Hard" movie series.
Gregory Loren Hansen
Gikiski <gik...@maethos-magic.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:41:39 GMT, phil...@gwbbs.net.au (NEil
>Phillips) wrote:
>
>>Wasn't tehre a documentary-ish biographical film about him? or was
>>that someone else?
>>
>>The portrayal in that was very much Baddass, regardless of teh actual
>>guy :)
>
>style of martial-arts that he could back up. Many tried to fight him
>in real-life. If he lost any, they did not say so in the
>documentory(ish). His fighting skill was legendary. From the sounds of
>it, his movies were tame compared to some of his walks through town.
>The difference? These were REAL challenges. I have his book: _Tao of
>Jeet Kune Do_ The philosophies he describes are profound.
I doubt Bruce fought twenty men routinely as he walked through town. But
the movie people did sometimes slow down the film so the audience could
see him doing things like swinging nunchuks. Bruce was fast, so fast he
could literally hit you before you blink (faster than your reaction time).
Muhammed Ali could also do that, but I don't know of anyone else. And
he did begin as a streetfighter.
Jeet Kune Do is kind of like a theory of fighting, rather than a body of
techniques. If you go to a JKD school you'll learn a definite progression
of techniques and tactics, but that's like the current application of the
theory. And I think that's pretty darn cool.
(But be aware of a controversy. There's a school that objects to the
recent changes Inosanto has been making. They say JKD is what Bruce
practiced before he died, so Inosanto's fighting is not JKD. But Bruce
complained about exactly that sort of thing, an art becoming frozen when
the founder dies, and he later regretted even giving a name to Jeet Kune
Do because he was afraid this would happen. So I'm happy to call
Inosanto's form JKD, and call the art as Bruce practiced it what some
people call Jun Fan Kung Fu, after his Chinese name.)
Spm073
in and spout out some of mine and my groups conceptions of bad ass:
1) the FRank Miller Batman
2) the FRank Miller Daredevil
3) Darth Vader - A cliched vote, but i just saw TESB and he is just awesome in
that one.
4) Bruce Lee (in any of his guises)
but my all time most applicable character has to be Bane from the pivotal
Knightfall Batman series. He was intelligent, cunning, vicious, cruel and
powerful and took out Batman.