(OT):Requesting Complaints to be submitted to Google about the hybrid troll
Samuel Weyhauser
I'd like to encourage others to submit complaints to google.com
regarding this hybrid rpg poster. The strategy of ignoring him is not
working.
Google has the following policy regarding Groups postings:
http://groups.google.com/googlegroups/posting_terms.html
The section on Permitted uses says:
"... you agree that when using a Group, you will not: ...
Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Groups."
I believe that the group can reach a consensus that he is inhibiting
other users from enjoying the discussion group.
His current email addresses are:
Smallvil...@yahoo.com (Mathew Rpg Hybrid)
NicklesAn...@yahoo.com (Marcus Arronous NRN)
_\Sam/_
Matthew Vincent
"Samuel Weyhauser" <SPAMB...@misaligned.com> wrote in message
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Thanks. Exactly where can we complain?
I've had to plonk this poster more than once.
jimmie_65
for google news (ab...@google.com). Drop one to ab...@yahoo.com as well.
You also have to include complete headers (easy enough in X-News - toggle
"Show All Headrers" under "View" but I don't know about Outlook Express)
"Matthew Vincent" <mvinc...@attbi.com> wrote in
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Bryan Maloney
$NM4.3188242@rwcrnsc53:
>
>
>
--
"Why then did the passengers on the plane that went down near Pittsburgh
decide to resist the hijackers and prevent them from completing their
mission? Because they knew: their relatives had told them by cell phone that
the World Trade Center had already been attacked by hijacked planes. They
were armed with final awareness of the nature of the evil they faced.
So armed, they could act. So armed, they did."
--Time Magazine
Zackery
> regarding this hybrid rpg poster. The strategy of ignoring him is not
> working.
The strategy of ignoring him is working fine for me. It seems to me that
they
problem must be yours. Apparently you can't control yourself enough to
keep from reading his posts.
Simple tips:
#1: When you see his name, don't open his post.
#2: If you open one of his posts by accident, immediately close it and get
on
with you life.
#3: Repeat steps 1 and 2 as needed.
Ignoring him is easy, assuming you have more willpower than a mushroom.
Robert Patrick Duffy
then coming back. Besides, as bad as he is the people who reply to him are
worse. If they'd just have the restraint to shut the hell up he'd leave us
alone.
The Anti-Reagan
> > I'd like to encourage others to submit complaints to google.com
> > regarding this hybrid rpg poster. The strategy of ignoring him is not
> > working.
>
> The strategy of ignoring him is working fine for me. It seems to me that
> they
> problem must be yours. Apparently you can't control yourself enough to
> keep from reading his posts.
>
> Simple tips:
> #1: When you see his name, don't open his post.
> #2: If you open one of his posts by accident, immediately close it and get
> on
> with you life.
> #3: Repeat steps 1 and 2 as needed.
#4 Do not under any circumstances reply to a "Hybrid" post. Not only
does this prevent him from getting the atttention he so desperately
craves, it prevents anyone else from accidentally wasting tme with his
drivel because they saw YOUR name on the thread.
--
The Anti-Reagan.
David Johnston
Totally wrong. He'll natter away ad infinitum regardless of whether he
gets any responses.
max
Admittedly I'm a lurker here...but I've been amused by these
exchanges. I'm not sure if anyone realizes it, but this guy is
obviously psychotic, and it may have some therapeutic value for him to
continue posting.
Max
Magesteff
> Admittedly I'm a lurker here...but I've been amused by these
> exchanges. I'm not sure if anyone realizes it, but this guy is
> obviously psychotic, and it may have some therapeutic value for him to
> continue posting.
>
> Max
And Usenet is a bit different than E-mail - while these messages are taking up space
somewhere, it isn't directed specifically at the individual. You can always add a filter
which will screen out this particular Troll, since you have his (possibly fraudulent) e-mail
addresses.
The other option is ask yahoo to look into the matter, since violations of Terms of Service
may be involved.
--
Magesteff
The quickest way to end a war is to lose it.
~ George Orwell
Wrathchild
Just say PLONK :-)
Then we don't get him ... or you ranting about him ... or fighting with him
... or lamenting him ... or [add as needed]
Disclaimer: In this post "You" should be seen as a generalized term, not
directed at any specific individual, but rather a group Who Know Who They
Are.
Sunny Days to All
Wrath
"David Johnston" <rgo...@telusplanet.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3C2257...@telusplanet.net...
Robert Patrick Duffy
Robert Patrick Duffy
after looking at this stuff she reckons he's borderline retarded or something. You know, an
idiot savant, one of those guys who are great at maths but useless socially. Which is why I
reckon people should just not respond, but it never happens. Someone always has to reply to
him.
Xiphias Gladius
Also, it'd be hard to really make the case that he's abusing the
newsgroups from the point of view of a TOS agreement.
He *is*, in some tangental divorced-from-reality-way, posting stuff that
could concievably be considered on-topic. The fact that it's incoherent,
incomprehensible, useless, and intermanible doesn't change that fact.
Yes, he's a kook. But he's not an *abusive* kook. If this guy is the
worst you have to deal with on Usenet, count yourself lucky. He is, in my
opinion, within Acceptible Use, if not within Comprehensible Use.
- Ian
--
"We could watch THE PRISONER and then watch TELETUBBIES!" -- my mother
Andy Fix
>gets any responses.
Then simply killfile him. I did this long ago, and I haven't been bothered by
him since.
- Fixer
**************
"Do you think being a Man In Black is all voodoo mind control?! You should see
the paper work." - Morris Fletcher, "The X-Files"
David Johnston
<duf...@dcu.ie> wrote:
>It's never been tried, so how do you know?
Of course it's been tried. Everything has been tried.
Jim Longo
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:49:01 +0000, Robert Patrick Duffy
> <duf...@dcu.ie> wrote:
>
> >It's never been tried, so how do you know?
>
> Of course it's been tried. Everything has been tried.
Not everything. We haven't hunted the creature down and exterminated
it yet.
Ian, he hasn't been abusive recently, but do a search using the phrase
"some of you on this newsgroup are full of s***" (fill in the stars),
and prepare to be treated to some truly classic Hitesh/Marcus/C++
abuse.
J.
Evyn MacDude
On 20-Dec-2001, mgil...@feddata.com (max) wrote:
> Admittedly I'm a lurker here...but I've been amused by these
> exchanges. I'm not sure if anyone realizes it, but this guy is
> obviously psychotic, and it may have some therapeutic value for him to
> continue posting.
Autism would be the place I would start with him.
That Watching him grind random formula out then justifing it back
to what ever he thinks he has discovered.
--
Evyn.
"The relevant equation is: Knowledge = power = energy = matter = mass;
a good bookshop is just a genteel Black Hole that knows how to read."
-Pratchett
Valiant_One
Dear "Marcus",
Hi. I am new to the GURPS newsgroup. I noted your posts, and felt I should
comment.
Let me start by introducing myself. I am a self confessed nerd. I started
playing around with computers in 1980 (yep, I am in my 30's). I never fit in
with my peers, and left high school after only one year. I attended
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University for one year, then dropped out.
I began spending my days in a darkened room, with little human contact. I
started to lose my contact with humanity. I decided to get out, and take a
risk. I jooined the US Army.
Being the type of fellow I am, I could not settle for second rate jobs. I
choose, and was selected for, Special Forces training (Green Beret). It was
the hardest thing I had ever done. I had never been an athlete, and I
struggled to just keep up.
I volunteered to serve my country in the Gulf during Desert Storm. I was
there for the entire war, and the aftermath. Horrid. I came back to the
states, and finshed my Army tour as a MEDEVAC/Search and Rescue Flight
Medic.
On leaving the Army, I was accepted onto the Seattle Police Department. I
was present for the "Aurora Bus Shooting" and "WTO".
I am leaving the police force because of some serious medical problems I
have developed because of my service in the Gulf. I plan on attending
college to obtain my degree in Criminal Psychology. I have extensive
knowledge in the field, and have received training from Dr. Robert Keppel
(the lead investigator on the Ted Bundy case).
That leads me to why I am contacting you. I would like to hear your story. I
am extremely interested in why you engage in the behaviors you do.
I have worked up a profile, and will venture a guess;
You are a white male. 15-17 years of age. Computer expert. Unattractive
appearance, with possible speech impediment. Highly intelligent. Product of
broken marriage, latch key kid. Parent is non supportive. Failure at school.
No sexual relationships outside of possible incest. Repressed Homosexual.
Porn addiction. Attracted to the affection of pain on others and animals.
Bedwetter. Observed death or trauma at early age.
Could you send me some info on yourself? At least let me know if I am close.
This is not meant as an insult, just need some info. Thought it might make
you think as well.
Thanks
NOTE:
I would be very careful. With your harassment of the newsgroup, be prepared
for retaliation. I know that is what you need to justify your anger at
others, but it can be dangerous to provoke.
Valiant_One
"Marcus" shows VERY clear signs of Paranoid Schizophrenia (flat affect,
disorganized thoughts, obsession with details, lack of meaningful social
interaction). Indeed, I would guess "Marcus" to be in his mid to late teens,
the beginning period for most Schizophrenia. The poor guy most likely does
not know he suffers form it.
Damn, I am beging to sound like him!;)
Dan
"Robert Patrick Duffy" <duf...@dcu.ie> wrote in message
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The Sophist
> Actually, inspite of a previous post I made (somewhat with tongue in cheek),
> "Marcus" shows VERY clear signs of Paranoid Schizophrenia (flat affect,
> disorganized thoughts, obsession with details, lack of meaningful social
> interaction). Indeed, I would guess "Marcus" to be in his mid to late teens,
> the beginning period for most Schizophrenia. The poor guy most likely does
> not know he suffers form it.
Indeed, Marcus shows just the sort of behavior which would lead a
student in freshman psych to diagnose him as paranoid schizophrenic.
That is, unless they were working on a different chapter of the book,
and instead think he might have some form of autism (another suggestion
from this thread). I'd have to say that anybody who would accept a
diagnoses on the basis of newsgroup messages probably needs help with
that, not with whatever they've been diagnosed with. If you want to say
that Marcus is a nutter, I won't argue with you, but there's not nearly
enough information available for people to start throwing around
clinical terms.
--
Aaron Boyden
"I may have done this and that for sufferers; but always I seemed to
have done better when I learned to feel better joys."
-Thus spoke Zarathustra
The Anti-Reagan
Please don't threaten people.
In some jurisdiction's this sort of thing is considered felony assault.
If the poor kid annoys you, plonk him like everyone else has.
--
The Anti-Reagan.
Matthew Vincent
> that Marcus is a nutter, I won't argue with you, but there's not nearly
> enough information available for people to start throwing around
> clinical terms.
Ok. Marcus is a nutter.
Seriously, I hope he actually finds clinical help. The only things sadder
than his posts are the people that feel the need to respond to them. It's
equivalent to scolding a mumbling vagrant. He might be annoying, but he
doesn't seem mean spirited.
--
-Matt
"Bugger 'em. Millenium hand and shrimp."
Gurps stuff at: www.geocities.com/geowars/gurps
Valiant_One
attempting to lead us all to a place of understanding with "Marcus". It
appears to have flown right over your head (as happens many times with
intellectuals).
As to Autism. You are not just incorrect, you are ENTIRELY incorrect. I will
not turn this into a chest beating forum (too late!), however I have worked
with Autistic children. In fact, my brother's oldest son is Autistic. I
would say it is you that appears to be the "student" here. Oh well, hope the
ego can take a hit kiddo!
Now back to GURPS...What do you think of the new Cops sourcebook? Do you
play Special Ops, or War of the Chtorr (Chtorr novels are incredible by the
way)? Let me know. I would love to strike up a conversation with you. You
seem to be extremely interesting (and intelligent) behind that wall of
ego...;)
Dan
"The Sophist" <boy...@home.com> wrote in message
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Valiant_One
2: If anything, it would be Harassment. Assault requires physical contact to
occur (sorry, the cop in me coming out).
Ok, I am a bad boy. I should have zipped it up. Now, do you want to discuss
GURPS?
Dan
"The Anti-Reagan" <fossi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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David Johnston
>
> 1: I did not threaten...
>
> 2: If anything, it would be Harassment. Assault requires physical contact to
> occur (sorry, the cop in me coming out).
The way I heard it, "assault" is the act of throwing a punch, while "assault and
battery" is the act of throwing a punch and making contact.
The Anti-Reagan
The way I heard it, "I'm going to beat the sh** out of you!" counts as assault.
Sure, I could be mistaken.
--
The Anti-Reagan.
Douglas Berry
"Valiant_One" <valia...@hotmail.com> warmed at our fire and told
this tale:
>Being the type of fellow I am, I could not settle for second rate jobs. I
>choose, and was selected for, Special Forces training (Green Beret). It was
>the hardest thing I had ever done. I had never been an athlete, and I
>struggled to just keep up.
What was you MOS before the A course? What was it afterwards? What
rank were you?
Be aware, I was SpecWar, and many of us are constantly looking out for
those who would claim our honors. No offense, but you sound fishy to
me.
Doug, 11B2V
--
Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
Valiant_One
Assault is actual contact (or attempt). Harassment is a verbal threat. This
has been cleared up in the courts as of late because of such confusion. Some
states still call the charges "Assault and Battery" for physical and verbal
violence, but most have gone to the new standard.
"The Anti-Reagan" <fossi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Valiant_One
in 1989. Yes, I was a NCO.
2: I entered SF through the REP 63 program. I was assigned to 12th Special
Forces reserves (deactivated in 94).
3: I noted that you are Ranger qualifed by your MOS identifier. Being Ranger
qualified is a LONG way away from being an Operator. Tell me you spent some
time in Ranger Batt, then you we can talk.
4: No problem with you "checking me out". I have nothing to hide.
Dan
"Douglas Berry" <grid...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Carlton S. Anderson
compared to just "Assault?" Or is "battery" no longer used?
I'd like to know since these are often used as charges brought
against (N)PCs, and I would at least like to pretend to know
what I was doing... :-)
--
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"Valiant_One" <valia...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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David Johnston
>
> Can you please explain for me what "Assault and Battery" is as
> compared to just "Assault?" Or is "battery" no longer used?
Historically my distinction was correct, and so far as I know still is
correct in my country. Apparently it's on its way out in the States.
Chris Blake
kar...@cablespeed.com wrote on 12/24/01 11:32 PM:
> Can you please explain for me what "Assault and Battery" is as
> compared to just "Assault?" Or is "battery" no longer used?
From http://dictionary.law.com/
> assault
> 1) v. the threat or attempt to strike another, whether successful or not,
> provided the target is aware of the danger. The assaulter must be reasonably
> capable of carrying through the attack. In some states if the assault is with
> a deadly weapon (such as sniping with a rifle), the intended victim does not
> need to know of the peril. Other state laws distinguish between different
> degrees (first or second) of assault depending on whether there is actual
> hitting, injury or just a threat. "Aggravated assault" is an attack connected
> with the commission of another crime, such as beating a clerk during a robbery
> or a particularly vicious attack. 2) n. the act of committing an assault, as
> in "there was an assault down on Third Avenue." Assault is both a criminal
> wrong, for which one may be charged and tried, and civil wrong for which the
> target may sue for damages due to the assault, including for mental distress.
>
>
> assault and battery
> n. the combination of the two crimes of threat (assault) and actual beating
> (battery). They are both also intentional civil wrongs for which the party
> attacked may file a suit for damages.
Thus A&B is a term used in civil cases, while Assault (sometimes Simple
Assault) or Aggravated Assault are used in criminal or civil cases.
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Mark Jones
Anderson" <kar...@cablespeed.com> did utter the following:
> Can you please explain for me what "Assault and Battery" is as
> compared to just "Assault?" Or is "battery" no longer used?
> I'd like to know since these are often used as charges brought
> against (N)PCs, and I would at least like to pretend to know
> what I was doing... :-)
My understanding is that "assault" covers everything from verbal
threats to actual physical attack. "Battery" would be, I think,
actually hitting someone. So there's some overlap.
--
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot. Don't talk."
--Tuco, _The Good the Bad and the Ugly_
Phil Adams
same throughout the country. Terminology, practices, protocols, penalties .
. . every aspect of law (short of federal ones) varies from city to city,
county to county. In one county, it may be perfectly legal to carry
shotguns to school, while in another a 3" file on a pair of nail clippers
could get you expelled for two months. It's part of our precious
federalism, continually taken to outrageous extremes. From what I've been
told by friends in law enforcement in various states exactly what
constitutes assault varies a bit across the country. Granted, it's been a
few years, so things could have changed. It would be wonderful to hear that
some sort of standard might actually be put into place at some point, but
I'm not expecting anything like that anytime soon. There's no compelling
reason for a standard to come about.
Phil
Douglas Berry
>3: I noted that you are Ranger qualifed by your MOS identifier. Being Ranger
>qualified is a LONG way away from being an Operator. Tell me you spent some
>time in Ranger Batt, then you we can talk.
Spent time in both the 3/75th and the 2/75th.
>4: No problem with you "checking me out". I have nothing to hide.
Cool with me. I would have gone to SF, but my DLAB was so low that
they were amazed I could even speak English.
Nex
profiler to make a profile for you either...
Valiant_One
"Chris Blake" <chri...@exploremaine.com> wrote in message
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Valiant_One
When I took the DLAB they used an old stereo with a broken speaker. They
said I got a decent score, but I don't know how. I just BS'd my way through
it. The entire thing sound like gibberish to me (when in doubt, fill in the
"C" circle!!!).
I never made it to Monterey. I volunteered for the war before they sent me.
I was looking forward to hanging out down there (great place).
Dan
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Valiant_One
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Chris Blake
Valiant_One at valia...@hotmail.com wrote on 12/25/01 2:02 PM:
> LOL!:)
>
> When I took the DLAB they used an old stereo with a broken speaker. They
> said I got a decent score, but I don't know how. I just BS'd my way through
> it. The entire thing sound like gibberish to me (when in doubt, fill in the
> "C" circle!!!).
>
> I never made it to Monterey. I volunteered for the war before they sent me.
> I was looking forward to hanging out down there (great place).
>
> Dan
ye gods take to email.
Valiant_One
Will do.
"Chris Blake" <chri...@exploremaine.com> wrote in message
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Valiant_One
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Chris Blake
Valiant_One at valia...@hotmail.com wrote on 12/25/01 10:40 PM:
> By the way, who made you the moderator of this group? ;)
>
No one, but it's just good netiquette that a thread that turns into what is
essentially a private discussion goes to email. Though no one's posted the
R.G.F.S-H FAQ recently.
It's my preference to not to block posts from people, but if their only
traffic consists of OT junk, I will. This ng has been almost useless because
of the troll lately, self-ascribed "new" people don't need to make it worse.
Tim Pollard
> in article 1FbW7.18085$Cw3.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net,
> Valiant_One at valia...@hotmail.com wrote on 12/25/01 10:40 PM:
>
> > By the way, who made you the moderator of this group? ;)
> >
>
> No one, but it's just good netiquette that a thread that turns into what
is
> essentially a private discussion goes to email. Though no one's posted the
> R.G.F.S-H FAQ recently.
>
> It's my preference to not to block posts from people, but if their only
> traffic consists of OT junk, I will. This ng has been almost useless
because
> of the troll lately, self-ascribed "new" people don't need to make it
worse.
I dunno, I've found it quite interesting, even if I don't understand what it
all means. At first it looked like it was going to turn into a pissing
contest, but now seems to be good source material for modern games, or at
least GURPS Acronym <g>
--
Regards
Tim Pollard
Douglas Berry
Chris Blake <chri...@exploremaine.com> warmed at our fire and told
this tale:
>It's my preference to not to block posts from people, but if their only
>traffic consists of OT junk, I will. This ng has been almost useless because
>of the troll lately, self-ascribed "new" people don't need to make it worse.
Gosh, so when to vets take a whopping three posts to comment on a
shared experiences in the military, that's enough to kill file them?
Here's a quarter, go buy a thicker skin.
Douglas Berry
"Tim Pollard" <t...@timpollard.com> warmed at our fire and told this
tale:
>I dunno, I've found it quite interesting, even if I don't understand what it
>all means. At first it looked like it was going to turn into a pissing
>contest, but now seems to be good source material for modern games, or at
>least GURPS Acronym <g>
SF: Special Forces
DLAB: Defense Language Aptitude Battery (test you take to see who
likely you are to be able to learn new languages)
Monterey: The Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California.
This is *the* place to learn to speak a foreign tongue.
Jim Longo
> I have worked up a profile, and will venture a guess;
>
As a completely unrepressed homosexual, I'm keeping everything I've
got two of crossed that you're wrong about this one. I DON'T want him
in my sandbox!
j.
Douglas Berry
phoen...@hotmail.com (Jim Longo) warmed at our fire and told this
tale:
>"Valiant_One" <valia...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<PvqV7.12323$Cw3.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
I'm a completely unrepressed bisexual.
Valiant_One
greeting a fellow vet. Makes you chuckle:)
Dan
"Douglas Berry" <grid...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Valiant_One
The issue is with his repression, not his nature. When ever we seek to deny
who we really are, internal friction is created.
LOL!...I would not want him in there with you either!
Dan
"Jim Longo" <phoen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ingo Siekmann
Douglas Berry schrieb:
-snip
> Monterey: The Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California.
> This is *the* place to learn to speak a foreign tongue.
Defense language - why must I think of Rincewind? :-)
Bye
In "Bitte toetet mich nicht!" go
--
Ingo Siekmann <i...@ncc1701.owl.de> *** Paderborn *** Germany
Arbane the Terrible
> On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:29:09 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
> "Valiant_One" <valia...@hotmail.com> warmed at our fire and told
> this tale:
>
>>3: I noted that you are Ranger qualifed by your MOS identifier. Being
>>Ranger qualified is a LONG way away from being an Operator. Tell me you
>>spent some time in Ranger Batt, then you we can talk.
>
> Spent time in both the 3/75th and the 2/75th.
>
>>4: No problem with you "checking me out". I have nothing to hide.
>
> Cool with me. I would have gone to SF, but my DLAB was so low that
> they were amazed I could even speak English.
I ran this through Babelfish, but it still didn't make any sense. Can I
get an english translation for us civilians?
--
"Remember, the plural of 'moron' is 'focus group'."
-- James A. Wolf
Carlton S. Anderson
news:e5HY7.2320$Qe1.10120@rwcrnsc53...
> I ran this through Babelfish, but it still didn't make any sense. Can
I
> get an english translation for us civilians?
I'm not ex-Army (AF), but here's some info:
> >>3: I noted that you are Ranger qualifed by your MOS identifier.
Being
> >>Ranger qualified is a LONG way away from being an Operator. Tell me
you
> >>spent some time in Ranger Batt, then you we can talk.
MOS identifier (or just MOS): the code used to describe a
person's job, a short combination of letters and numbers.
It pinpoints you as infantry, paradrop or even desk clerk.
Obviously some MOS's are more common than others, and
everyone picks up most of the rudimentary (and some of
the more exotic) ones over time. It is your "military
occupational specialty."
AF has separate codes for enlisted and officer personnel,
don't know about other militaries. Not all branches of
the military call it an "MOS," either.
Ranger vs. Operator: only they would know. :-)
Batt: Battery.
> > Spent time in both the 3/75th and the 2/75th.
In Army Aviation units, this might reference
b/r, where b = battalion and r=regiment.
This may not apply with Rangers, though. Companies are
usually designated by letter. There are a lot of web
sites out there that can explain military structure
better than I. Heck, I don't even remember how the
Air Force structure worked anymore...
> >>4: No problem with you "checking me out". I have nothing to hide.
> >
> > Cool with me. I would have gone to SF, but my DLAB was so low that
> > they were amazed I could even speak English.
SF - San Francisco?? Not too far from Monterey...
DLAB - test to see how good you [might be] at picking up another
language by seeing how quickly you pick up the rules of an
invented one on the spot.
I just wish they didn't have the DLAB in the same checkbox as
the EDPT, or I could have gotten in computer programming a lot
sooner than I did... (The EDPT is a test given for engineers,
mathematicians, etc.)
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Matthew Vincent
> > > I would have gone to SF, but my DLAB was so low that
> > > they were amazed I could even speak English.
>
> SF - San Francisco??
I think the original author was using SF as 'Special Forces'
i.e. Green Beret, not (necessarily) 'little bus' special.
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Sean O'Connell
GURPS-related pertinence, I will throw my $0.02 in for anybody interested
in running a SpecOps or military campaign.
> Ranger vs. Operator: only they would know. :-)
I think the point that "Valiant_One" was trying to make is that having a
Ranger tab on your uniform is a far cry from being an actual member of an
Army Special Forces unit (an Operator). All it really means is that you
made it through Ranger school. When I was in the Army, I knew a few guys
with a Ranger tab on their sleeve who went through the training just to
prove to themselves or others that they could hack it. One of those guys
freely admitted that he only did it to boost his points for E-6 promotion
(NCO promotions past E-4 use a really retarded "points" system which gives
credit for stupid crap like badges and promotion boards, and ignores
things like actually being good at your job).
These guys were in rear or depot units (where I was), and the only action
they saw was at the NCO club. I was in aviation (68L/35L), and there was
a lot of that kind of thing going around. In spring and fall every year
the young E-2's and E-3's would be lining up to put in requests for
Airborne or Air Assault school at Benning or Campbell, even though it was
completely unrelated to their MOS and not a one of them requested re-class
to 11B (Infantry). They were just looking for another pair of wings on
their uniform (and another 50 points for their boards). Personally, my
Aircraft Crewman badge was enough wings for me. There's just something
stupid about jumping out of a perfectly good aircraft.
It should be noted as well that I had the displeasure of knowing one PX
Ranger (poser), and the supreme pleasure of seeing him get busted. This
guy transfered into my unit in 1st Cav and showed up wearing Airborne, Air
Assault, and Ranger tabs, enough fruit salad (ribbons) to choke a goat, a
combat patch from a unit he never served in, and expert marksman badges in
like every weapon known to man. And he was a 68F (helicopter electrician)
and an E-4 to boot. In avionics, we used to called 68F's "68 Flunkies"
because it's the aviation MOS with the lowest ASVAB (Armed Services
Vocational Aptitude Battery) requirements. Well, this guy made the
average 68F look like a freaking genius. It only took him about a month
to piss off enough people that the 1st Sgt (top NCO in the company) pulled
his record, made a few phone calls, and discovered that he was full of
crap. About the only thing on his uniform that was supposed to be there
was his name tag (and Top wanted to see his ID to verify that one!). Our
commander busted his ass to E-nothing (which was particularly funny, since
he came into service as an E-3 with ROTC credit), Article 15'd
(company-level non-judicial punishment) him to the absolute limit (and
then some), and made him publicly acknowledge the fraud and apologize in
front of the entire company. He did so much Extra Duty that everyone just
started calling him "Ed" (even the commander), and talk about a cut in pay
(reduction of 3 grades plus the Article 15 took 2/3's for 3 months). He
had just about enough left out of his paycheck to buy a tube of
toothpaste. But he had to get the razor on credit. :^)
The reality is, he got off light. Our CO could have slapped him with a
Dishonorable Discharge (which carries more weight than you might think in
the civilian arena) or sent his ass to prison. Lucky for "Ed" our CO was
a really nice guy who didn't wanted to ruin a guy's life because he got a
little (lot!) stupid at the PX one day.
Well, hope that gives some GM's some good jargon at least, and maybe a few
ideas for NPC's.
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Valiant_One
> Ranger tab on your uniform is a far cry from being an actual member of an
> Army Special Forces unit (an Operator). All it really means is that you
> made it through Ranger school. When I was in the Army, I knew a few guys
> with a Ranger tab on their sleeve who went through the training just to
> prove to themselves or others that they could hack it. One of those guys
> freely admitted that he only did it to boost his points for E-6 promotion
> (NCO promotions past E-4 use a really retarded "points" system which gives
> credit for stupid crap like badges and promotion boards, and ignores
> things like actually being good at your job).
I got to know a few fellows like that myself...Referred to as "Ticket
Punchers".
> These guys were in rear or depot units (where I was), and the only action
> they saw was at the NCO club. I was in aviation (68L/35L), and there was
> a lot of that kind of thing going around. In spring and fall every year
> the young E-2's and E-3's would be lining up to put in requests for
> Airborne or Air Assault school at Benning or Campbell, even though it was
> completely unrelated to their MOS and not a one of them requested re-class
> to 11B (Infantry). They were just looking for another pair of wings on
> their uniform (and another 50 points for their boards). Personally, my
> Aircraft Crewman badge was enough wings for me. There's just something
> stupid about jumping out of a perfectly good aircraft.
Guys going to schools they don't need has always been a problem (Ticket
Punchers again!). The Army has cracked down on this as of late, due to
monetary concerns. It is pretty hard to even get to jump school, without a
good reason (i.e. You are going to be in an Airborne unit!). As to jumping
out of a perfectly good aircraft....HA! I was a flight medic for two years
and KNOW there are no perfectly good aircraft in the military. So, I will
jump and you can ride the bird down! Darn Leg!!!;)
He did get off light. For one he should be spending some time in
Levenworth...For two, some of my Ranger buddies would love to spend some
quality time with him:)
Dan
Shawn Wilson
> >>3: I noted that you are Ranger qualifed by your MOS identifier. Being
> >>Ranger qualified is a LONG way away from being an Operator. Tell me you
> >>spent some time in Ranger Batt, then you we can talk.
> >
> > Spent time in both the 3/75th and the 2/75th.
> >
> >>4: No problem with you "checking me out". I have nothing to hide.
> >
> > Cool with me. I would have gone to SF, but my DLAB was so low that
> > they were amazed I could even speak English.
>
> I ran this through Babelfish, but it still didn't make any sense. Can I
> get an english translation for us civilians?
Since no one else has, I will . . .
The US Army runs an 'advanced' school for infantry, called 'Ranger School'.
Those who graduate are entitled to wear a patch on their uniform called a
Ranger tab and have their Ranger status reflected in the Army's job code for
their profession.
MOS (Military Occupational Specialty) is your profession and has a code of
the form (number) (letter) (number) (letter). The first number is the
general field. 11s are infantry, 12s are armor, 13s are engineers, 18s are
special forces, etc. The first letter is your specialty within that field.
Within infantry B is regular infantry, M is mechanized, C is mortars, etc.
The second number is your job level. 10 is enlisted grunt, 20 is corporal
or sergeant, etc. Special skills are the final letter. Rangers get a
special skill identifier to their MOS classification for completing ranger
school.
The US Army has specialized units composed entirely of people who have
completed ranger school called ranger battalions (or ranger bats). These
units are administratively organized as the 75th regiment of the US Army.
The battalions within the 75th regiment are number 1, 2 and 3. Someone in
the first bat would say he was in the 1/75.
Special Forces are an entirely different kind of elite infantry, with a
different school than rangers. They have different training, different
skills, different requirements, and perform entirely different missions than
rangers. Other than that they're exactly the same, except that they're MOS
field is different too. Unlike rangers, special forces would work closely
with native populations in completing their missions. As such they need
language skills that Rangers don't.
The US Army tests for ability to learn languages with the 'DLAB' (Defense
Language Aptitude Battery).
'Valiant' went through ranger school, and was in two of the ranger batts,
but did too poorly on the DLAB to be accepted into special forces school.
Douglas Berry
"Shawn Wilson" <shawn....@worldnet.att.net> warmed at our fire and
told this tale:
>> >>3: I noted that you are Ranger qualifed by your MOS identifier. Being
>> >>Ranger qualified is a LONG way away from being an Operator. Tell me you
>> >>spent some time in Ranger Batt, then you we can talk.
>> >
>> > Spent time in both the 3/75th and the 2/75th.
>> >
>> >>4: No problem with you "checking me out". I have nothing to hide.
>> >
>> > Cool with me. I would have gone to SF, but my DLAB was so low that
>> > they were amazed I could even speak English.
>>
>> I ran this through Babelfish, but it still didn't make any sense. Can I
>> get an english translation for us civilians?
>
>Since no one else has, I will . . .
<snip>
>The US Army has specialized units composed entirely of people who have
>completed ranger school called ranger battalions (or ranger bats). These
>units are administratively organized as the 75th regiment of the US Army.
>The battalions within the 75th regiment are number 1, 2 and 3. Someone in
>the first bat would say he was in the 1/75.
Actually, you don't need to go through the School to be in a
Battalion. Just pass through a short qualification course called RIP,
and be airborne qualified.
>'Valiant' went through ranger school, and was in two of the ranger batts,
>but did too poorly on the DLAB to be accepted into special forces school.
That was me actually.. Valiant was SF. I am unable to learn
languages, which is a disqualifier.
Joe Jefferson
No good reason for a standard and one very good reason *not* to have
one: The tenth amendment to the US Constitution specifies that all
legislative powers not explicitely granted to the federal government by
the constitution, or explicitely forbidden to the states, belong to the
states. Nearly all of the common everyday sort of crimes (murder,
robbery, rape, assault, burglary, fraud, etc.) are violations of state,
not federal, law, and each state defines (and punishes) them in whatever
way the state legislature decides.
--
Joe of Castle Jefferson
http://www.mindspring.com/~jjstrshp/
Site updated November 25th, 2001.
"Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless; maintain the rights of the
poor and oppressed. Rescue the weak and needy; deliver them from the
hand of the wicked." - Psalm 82:3-4.
Joe Jefferson
>
> Can you please explain for me what "Assault and Battery" is as
> compared to just "Assault?" Or is "battery" no longer used?
> against (N)PCs, and I would at least like to pretend to know
> what I was doing... :-)
In California, a person could not be charged with "assault and battery"
for a single offense because assault is included in the definition of
battery: A battery is a completed assault. (Or put another way, an
assault is an attemped battery.) Other states however may define the
terms in such a way that "assault and battery" is a valid charge.
David Pidcock
"Joe Jefferson" <jjst...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3C414A...@mindspring.com...
> Phil Adams wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately, America doesn't have one single set of laws that remain
the
> > same throughout the country. Terminology, practices, protocols,
penalties .
> > . . every aspect of law (short of federal ones) varies from city to
city,
> > county to county. In one county, it may be perfectly legal to carry
> > shotguns to school, while in another a 3" file on a pair of nail
clippers
> > could get you expelled for two months. It's part of our precious
> > federalism, continually taken to outrageous extremes. From what I've
been
> > told by friends in law enforcement in various states exactly what
> > constitutes assault varies a bit across the country. Granted, it's been
a
> > few years, so things could have changed. It would be wonderful to hear
that
> > some sort of standard might actually be put into place at some point,
but
> > I'm not expecting anything like that anytime soon. There's no
compelling
> > reason for a standard to come about.
>
> No good reason for a standard and one very good reason *not* to have
Why is this one very good reason ? I mean - just by itself ? Is it because
it's part of the consitution that makes it a good reason? Or do you have
some other way of telling it's a good reason ?
Carlton S. Anderson
because
> it's part of the consitution that makes it a good reason? Or do you
have
> some other way of telling it's a good reason ?
It's a good reason because the United _States_ is not a single
country, but rather a number of autonomous territories (13, at
first), that came together to form a single front to protect
their common interests. Those states did not desire to give
up the governing of their citizens, because those citizens had
migrated to that particular territory for a reason: they were
Dutch/English/etc., they practiced a particular religion, they
spoke a particular language, and on and on. Each state believed
in laws written and enforced in certain ways, which, while very
similar, "'twixt the two none shall meet." So from the very
early days of the formation of the country, it was agreed that
the central government existed to unify, but not control, the
individual territories. The reasoning may seem obsolete today,
but every state still firmly believes in the principle, and it
has worked so much better than how things worked out for the
Roman republic it is all based off of... at least, so far...
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Cathy H.
"Carlton S. Anderson" <kar...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
news:u4348mi...@corp.supernews.com...
> It's a good reason because the United _States_ is not a single
> country, but rather a number of autonomous territories
> The reasoning may seem obsolete today,
Obsolete since, oh, 1865, after such reasoning had killed half a million
people.
Chris Blake
crh...@richmond.infi.net wrote on 1/13/02 9:07 AM:
The Civil War was one great blow but the last great States Rights issues
weren't trashed until the Great Depression and FDR's huge national programs
to counter it. State's Rights aren't obsolete so much as pointless. The
advantages of being United are far greater than being autonomous, but that
doesn't mean that states shouldn't have the ability to protest by
threatening secession or refusing to conform to a federal mandate.
bb...@hotmail.com
>Phil Adams wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately, America doesn't have one single set of laws that remain the
>> same throughout the country. Terminology, practices, protocols, penalties .
>> . . every aspect of law (short of federal ones) varies from city to city,
>> county to county. In one county, it may be perfectly legal to carry
>> shotguns to school, while in another a 3" file on a pair of nail clippers
>> could get you expelled for two months. It's part of our precious
>> federalism, continually taken to outrageous extremes. From what I've been
>> told by friends in law enforcement in various states exactly what
>> constitutes assault varies a bit across the country. Granted, it's been a
>> few years, so things could have changed. It would be wonderful to hear that
>> some sort of standard might actually be put into place at some point, but
>> I'm not expecting anything like that anytime soon. There's no compelling
>> reason for a standard to come about.
>
>No good reason for a standard and one very good reason *not* to have
>one: The tenth amendment to the US Constitution specifies that all
>legislative powers not explicitely granted to the federal government by
>the constitution, or explicitely forbidden to the states, belong to the
>states. Nearly all of the common everyday sort of crimes (murder,
>robbery, rape, assault, burglary, fraud, etc.) are violations of state,
>not federal, law, and each state defines (and punishes) them in whatever
>way the state legislature decides.
>
There is the Commision on Uniform State Laws.
This is a committee formed by members from each state's Legislature. It meets
several times a year and it's job is to render opinions to the rest of the
State Legislature during session on wether or not a proposed law is WAYYY out
of line with the other states of the union.
While there is no requirement to follow it, there opinion carrys great weight,
and poitically, it can be very bad to flaunt their recommendation.
(6 years working for the State Legislature leaves you will all sorts of
insight into the law-making process. Kinda like knowing how sausage is
made.................)
Mark Jones
<som...@microsoft.com> did utter the following:
>
>"Joe Jefferson" <jjst...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:3C414A...@mindspring.com...
>> Phil Adams wrote:
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, America doesn't have one single set of laws that remain
>> >the same throughout the country.
>> No good reason for a standard and one very good reason *not* to have
>> one: The tenth amendment to the US Constitution <snip>
>
>Why is this one very good reason ? I mean - just by itself ? Is it because
>it's part of the consitution that makes it a good reason? Or do you have
>some other way of telling it's a good reason ?
It's a very good reason because it maximizes your chances of
experiencing liberty and happiness. Given 50 different states
making laws at the state level, odds are pretty damn good that you
can find at least one set of laws that suits your view of How Things
Ought To Be and you can move to that state and live under those
laws. (I know--I'm living in Oregon now, but I grew up in
Virginia.)
When the law is universal, and there are few or no variations in how
things are done, odds are that you can't. If you don't like how
Maryland or Massachusetts do things, but things are done exactly the
same way in Texas, Nevada and Oregon...you're screwed. There is no
better fit. "One size fits all" is as much a lie in politics as in
clothing.
Needless to say (but I'll say it anyhow), this theory works only if
people are free to move around to suit themselves. Thus, if someone
wants to live in a state that still allows chattel slavery, I have
no problem telling him "tough shit". But if Nevada wants to have
legal prostitution, gambling and no state income tax, while
Massachusetts wants to build a dystopian nightmare--hey, as long as
I'm free to choose Nevada over Massachusetts, go for it!
--
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot. Don't talk."
--Tuco, _The Good the Bad and the Ugly_
Phil Adams
> No good reason for a standard and one very good reason *not* to have
> one: The tenth amendment to the US Constitution specifies that all
> legislative powers not explicitely granted to the federal government by
> the constitution, or explicitely forbidden to the states, belong to the
> states.
Since my gripe is with the Constitution and the way America has developed as
a result of what was a fine document a couple centuries (and some change)
ago, this is much like arguing to an Atheist that Christianity is good
because god said so. From my perspective, it's simply flawed and
inefficient. However, it's a waste of time and energy to debate the point
(it being another one of those hot-button, knee-jerk issues), so I'll leave
it at that. It's not like anyone will change their mind over it or that the
country will suddenly be improved as a result of enlightenment sneaking up
on somone.
Phil Adams
Joe Jefferson
Last I checked, there's no fence keeping you in. If you don't like the
US Constitution, you're free to move somewhere else.
Joe Jefferson
>
> > No good reason for a standard and one very good reason *not* to have
> > one: The tenth amendment to the US Constitution <snip>
>
> Why is this one very good reason ? I mean - just by itself ? Is it because
> it's part of the consitution that makes it a good reason? Or do you have
> some other way of telling it's a good reason ?
1) From the viewpoint of political philosophy, one of the best ways to
avoid the tyranny of the majority is to keep legislation at the lowest
practical level.
2) From the viewpoint of simple pragmatism, Congress has enough to do as
it is without forcing them also to take on the responsibilities of the
existing state legislatures.
JefWilson
>While there is no requirement to follow it, there opinion carrys great
>weight, and poitically, it can be very bad to flaunt their recommendation.
I hope you meant 'flout' instead of 'flaunt.' Otherwise the committee would be
pretty useless.
Jeff A. Wilson
http://members.aol.com/JefWilson/rpg/
David Johnston
<jjst...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Phil Adams wrote:
>>
>> On 13-Jan-2002, Joe Jefferson <jjst...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> > No good reason for a standard and one very good reason *not* to have
>> > one: The tenth amendment to the US Constitution specifies that all
>> > legislative powers not explicitely granted to the federal government by
>> > the constitution, or explicitely forbidden to the states, belong to the
>> > states.
>>
>> Since my gripe is with the Constitution and the way America has developed as
>> a result of what was a fine document a couple centuries (and some change)
>> ago, this is much like arguing to an Atheist that Christianity is good
>> because god said so. From my perspective, it's simply flawed and
>> inefficient. However, it's a waste of time and energy to debate the point
>> (it being another one of those hot-button, knee-jerk issues), so I'll leave
>> it at that. It's not like anyone will change their mind over it or that the
>> country will suddenly be improved as a result of enlightenment sneaking up
>> on somone.
>
>Last I checked, there's no fence keeping you in. If you don't like the
>US Constitution, you're free to move somewhere else.
Yeah! Love it or leave it!
I actually did a GURPS game where they had an interstellar society
based on that principle. There were planets ruled by absolute
dictators who had totally free reign in their territory except that
the interstellar metagovernment guaranteed the right to leave to
anyone able to pay for passage or prepared to sign on as a
colonist...including people in jail. Of course you only got one
colonial passage in your lifetime and some of the colonies were
pretty hellish.
Joe Jefferson
>
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:14:42 -0800, Joe Jefferson
> <jjst...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Phil Adams wrote:
> >>
> >> Since my gripe is with the Constitution and the way America has developed as
> >> a result of what was a fine document a couple centuries (and some change)
> >> ago, this is much like arguing to an Atheist that Christianity is good
> >> because god said so. From my perspective, it's simply flawed and
> >> inefficient. However, it's a waste of time and energy to debate the point
> >> (it being another one of those hot-button, knee-jerk issues), so I'll leave
> >> it at that. It's not like anyone will change their mind over it or that the
> >> country will suddenly be improved as a result of enlightenment sneaking up
> >> on somone.
> >
> >Last I checked, there's no fence keeping you in. If you don't like the
> >US Constitution, you're free to move somewhere else.
>
> Yeah! Love it or leave it!
I don't believe you're required to agree with or like everything your
country does, but why on Earth would anybody choose to stay in a place
if they seriously disagree with the foundational document on which the
entire governmental/legal system is based?
David Johnston
>
> David Johnston wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:14:42 -0800, Joe Jefferson
> > <jjst...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Phil Adams wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Since my gripe is with the Constitution and the way America has developed as
> > >> a result of what was a fine document a couple centuries (and some change)
> > >> ago, this is much like arguing to an Atheist that Christianity is good
> > >> because god said so. From my perspective, it's simply flawed and
> > >> inefficient. However, it's a waste of time and energy to debate the point
> > >> (it being another one of those hot-button, knee-jerk issues), so I'll leave
> > >> it at that. It's not like anyone will change their mind over it or that the
> > >> country will suddenly be improved as a result of enlightenment sneaking up
> > >> on somone.
> > >
> > >Last I checked, there's no fence keeping you in. If you don't like the
> > >US Constitution, you're free to move somewhere else.
> >
> > Yeah! Love it or leave it!
>
> I don't believe you're required to agree with or like everything your
> country does, but why on Earth would anybody choose to stay in a place
> if they seriously disagree with the foundational document on which the
> entire governmental/legal system is based?
Because it is where they were born. Because they lack the special qualities
that make one a welcome immigrant in other prosperous nations. Because they'd
rather argue for change than to cut and run. Because other nations have other
serious problems with their constitutions.
I'm sure I can think of more reasons if I have to.
Pelle Kofod
I never plan on going there, every first hand description I've ever heard of
what things are like "across the pond" make it seem like a hell-hole.
Besides, even if the laws differ from state to state of the US, how much do
they differ then betewwn nations? On different continent?
P
Pelle Kofod
Whatever happened to good ol' "Your right to throw a punch stops where my nose
begins."?
Not that I necessarily support that statement, but it would still be nice to
know.
P
Ray Cochener
in arguments *for* the 10th amendment.
For the founders the idea was that every state would then retain
indpendance, and a person could always move to a state which was more in
tune with how they wanted to live.
The modern argument is that state law is a'labratory' where different ideas
can be tried out and expirimented with before passing a federal law.
In short those who have been most guilty of corrupting the consititution and
causing the problems you like to gripe about are the ones who are most
likely to agree with you.
These are the ones telling California to ignore the voter initatives and
outlaw medical marijuanna because the big wise federal government told them
to. They are the ones sending federal agents into Oregon to prevent farmers
from getting access to water that the government has dammed up in order to
preserve some fish, because the Government knows more about preserving the
ballance of nature than nature itself..
These are people who think that having been elected to office makes them a
genius, that passing a law is solving a problem, and that a lie is only a
lie if you are called on it.
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Ray Cochener
"David Johnston" <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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the one trip limit. They would be largely populated by people who don't want
'young holigans' running arround and are more concerned with safety than
freedom.
The really weird idea to me is that a band of soldiers could 'relocate' and
get free passage to another planet which they would then proceed to take
over. Even in your game it seems like a colonial transport is the perfect
opportunity to sieze control of the planet. get a bunch of well trained
buddies and pick a planet known for chaos and disorganization so that when
you take control most people will actually welcome it.
Ray Cochener
hear?
Also keep in mind that we are a very large nation. There are some horror
stories, but the places are really spread out and there is a lot of this
country where the problems that you hear on the news are something that we
just hear about on the news as well.
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MistWing SilverTail
Not that this will change your mind, but people in general tend to see what
they want to see. If you want to see major problems, you will find them.
If you want to find peace and quiet, you will find it
Consider this... based on news items I hear, I wouldn't want to visit/live
in England where people are constantly bombing each other and shooting at
each other. Does this actually happen all the time? No, of course not.
But it's an interesting news story. And when you have only 30 minutes to
report the news (minus about 5 minutes for commercials, 5 minutes for
weather and 5 minutes for sports), you have to pick and choose what you
think would interest your viewers. In the U.S., it tends to be the
'action/adventure' type of story (police-chases, shoot-outs, etc). And if
England picks up news stories from U.S. news stations, that's usually what
they're going to get... unfortunately.
I don't deny that the U.S. has problems. By the same token, so does every
country in the world. Are we a hot-bed of turmoil? No. Are we a large
'loving family'? No. We are people, like people all around the world.
Some of our customs are strange and scary to others. Some are not.
Well... my thought on this. Sorry for rambling
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>
> "David Johnston" <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
> news:3c426b5e....@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net...
> >
> > I actually did a GURPS game where they had an interstellar society
> > based on that principle. There were planets ruled by absolute
> > dictators who had totally free reign in their territory except
that
> > the interstellar metagovernment guaranteed the right to leave to
> > anyone able to pay for passage or prepared to sign on as a
> > colonist...including people in jail. Of course you only got one
> > colonial passage in your lifetime and some of the colonies were
> > pretty hellish.
> >
'relocate' and
> get free passage to another planet which they would then proceed to
take
> over. Even in your game it seems like a colonial transport is the
perfect
> opportunity to sieze control of the planet. get a bunch of well
trained
> buddies and pick a planet known for chaos and disorganization so
that when
> you take control most people will actually welcome it.
A decent setup for an RPG, in other words. Spend a session or three
planning the takeover, a few more on the trip, setup . . . sounds like
a campaign. Not one I'd want to run, but it might be worth playing in.
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Christopher Köbel
Am 14.01.02, 18:54:19, schrieb "MistWing SilverTail" <Mist...@erols.com>
zum Thema Re: Assault:
> I don't deny that the U.S. has problems. By the same token, so does
every
> country in the world. Are we a hot-bed of turmoil? No. Are we a large
> 'loving family'? No. We are people, like people all around the world.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Whud? You mean... your NOT evil nazi psycho-demons from communist hell???
Darn! I would've bet!
> Some of our customs are strange and scary to others. Some are not.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Which ones, exactly? I'm interested in this ... uhm, theory.
.... *laughs his ass off* ;-)
- Christopher -
P.S.: But, really: I don't plan on
going/flying/swimming/boating/teleporting/whatever to the U.S., either.
There are funnier, nicer, sunnier, short: better places for having
holidays at.... maybe even some where they speak a decent language like
French. *g*
P.P.S.: Yupp, I am German. And yupp, I am French also. That makes me a
foreigner in one less country than most of you :-)
..oO(Now where am I getting a fire-resistant armor... or maybe a
permanent Resist Fire tattoo... the certainly following flaming could
ruin my hair...)
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>
> "David Johnston" <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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Ah well, that's the thing you see. You don't get to pick. It's a good way
to get out from under an intolerable situation (like being in jail), but
the Colonial Authority decides who goes where.
Carlton S. Anderson
nation: If you don't love it, you have a right to make it _better_.
Take a stand, and work for what you believe in. The key is: make
it happen, don't friggin' gripe about it. And if you think killing
people is going to make it better, we have a padded cells and cute
little chairs with helmets...
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Carlton S. Anderson
preface were a liberal found a way to make a buck.
Anyone see the Simpsons episode where Krusty is being led to the
paddywagon once again, and he yells over his shoulder, basically,
"Go ahead, lock me up. But one day the Democrats will be back
in the White House, and I'LL BE BACK ON THE STREETS!!!"
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MistWing SilverTail
every
>> country in the world. Are we a hot-bed of turmoil? No. Are we a large
>> 'loving family'? No. We are people, like people all around the world.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Whud? You mean... your NOT evil nazi psycho-demons from communist hell???
> Darn! I would've bet!
SHH!!! It's a secret!!!
>> Some of our customs are strange and scary to others. Some are not.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Which ones, exactly? I'm interested in this ... uhm, theory.
Wow!!! You're actually giving this the status of 'theory' (I wouldn't have
given it the status of hypothesis... maybe 'opinion' at best) :)
I've HEARD (no first hand info) that the U.S.'s 'Right To Bear Arms'
un-nerves many people in other countries... especially when they hear some
of our news stories
> .... *laughs his ass off* ;-)
Must make it hard to sit :)
> - Christopher -
>
> P.S.: But, really: I don't plan on
> going/flying/swimming/boating/teleporting/whatever to the U.S., either.
> There are funnier, nicer, sunnier, short: better places for having
> holidays at.... maybe even some where they speak a decent language like
> French. *g*
Hey!!! We got French words!!! (and some Spanish... and some English... and
some Japanese... and some German... and...)
> P.P.S.: Yupp, I am German. And yupp, I am French also. That makes me a
> foreigner in one less country than most of you :-)
I don't know... many U.S. people I've met seem to be a foreignerin their own
country (and I don't mean those of Hispanic descent... I mean those of 'old
European' descent). That would make you a foreigner in two less countries
BTW: I liked Germany. I visited there once (Berkenfeld (sp)). Although I
never got the hang of the Autobahn (sp). I'm way to scared to drive as fast
as 'you' do.
> ..oO(Now where am I getting a fire-resistant armor... or maybe a
> permanent Resist Fire tattoo... the certainly following flaming could
> ruin my hair...)
I've got some Magnesium armor right here :)
Xiphias Gladius
> Exactly right, and exactly one quality that is fundamental to this
> nation: If you don't love it, you have a right to make it _better_.
> Take a stand, and work for what you believe in. The key is: make
> it happen, don't friggin' gripe about it.
Proviso: "friggin' griping" about things can be a first step in making
things happen, if done correctly.
- Ian
--
"We could watch THE PRISONER and then watch TELETUBBIES!" -- my mother
Bryan J. Maloney
Gladius <i...@eris.io.com> wrote:
> In rec.games.frp.gurps Carlton S. Anderson <kar...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> > Exactly right, and exactly one quality that is fundamental to this
> > nation: If you don't love it, you have a right to make it _better_.
> > Take a stand, and work for what you believe in. The key is: make
> > it happen, don't friggin' gripe about it.
>
> Proviso: "friggin' griping" about things can be a first step in making
> things happen, if done correctly.
But if you're spending all your griping time also friggin', I doubt that
much else would get done.
(My vocabulary is too large. I know--I'll finish those Quenya lessons,
write a script to remap the Tengwar font to a QWERTY keyboard using
standard Tolkienien transcription including "gw" and "kw" and the rest
into one Tengwar, and see if that will fry my brain enough.)
--
"A 'Cape Cod Salsa' just isn't right."
Christopher Köbel
> > Darn! I would've bet!
> SHH!!! It's a secret!!!
some weird "War against a yet unknown -ism" or such...
> >> Some of our customs are strange and scary to others. Some are not.
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Which ones, exactly? I'm interested in this ... uhm, theory.
> Wow!!! You're actually giving this the status of 'theory' (I wouldn't
have
> given it the status of hypothesis... maybe 'opinion' at best) :)
> I've HEARD (no first hand info) that the U.S.'s 'Right To Bear Arms'
> un-nerves many people in other countries... especially when they hear
some
> of our news stories
Yup... as of the news that arrive here in the "Auld Worlde", every other
second some American town is turned to ashes by riots, or police officer
beat innocent pregnants into abortion (or was it oblivion?)... such
stuff. And, given those *facts*, I don't want to know what news DON'T
arrive here because... well, you see... there is noone left to tell!
> > .... *laughs his ass off* ;-)
> Must make it hard to sit :)
It was kind of figurative... anyways I'm of the burgoisie – We don't sit
at a computer, nah! We lie in our beds with a WebPad and let a butler
make the keystrokes for us... so I don't need an ass anyway.
> > - Christopher -
> >
> > P.S.: But, really: I don't plan on
> > going/flying/swimming/boating/teleporting/whatever to the U.S., either.
> > There are funnier, nicer, sunnier, short: better places for having
> > holidays at.... maybe even some where they speak a decent language like
> > French. *g*
> Hey!!! We got French words!!! (and some Spanish... and some English...
and
> some Japanese... and some German... and...)
GAH! You call the carcasse that you left phonologically raped from a once
beautiful and living language "French words"??? I don't think so!
> > P.P.S.: Yupp, I am German. And yupp, I am French also. That makes me a
> > foreigner in one less country than most of you :-)
> I don't know... many U.S. people I've met seem to be a foreignerin their
own
> country (and I don't mean those of Hispanic descent... I mean those of
'old
> European' descent). That would make you a foreigner in two less
countries
I fear to admit it... but... you may be right.
> BTW: I liked Germany. I visited there once (Berkenfeld (sp)). Although
I
> never got the hang of the Autobahn (sp). I'm way to scared to drive as
fast
> as 'you' do.
Well, some more reasons against america: you low speed limits (for what
have you hundrets of kilometer (pardon, mile) long and absurdly broad
Freeways, if you don't USE them? I mean... any German could pass you at
speeds of ~200kph (~125mph) while staying on the same track! And at
triple that speed if we had cars like the U.S. citizens, built with no
limit whatsoever on how many kerosene (gasolene?) they gulp... then,
again, why would one buy an american car? No really, look at all the
films! They keep exploding where any European car would just turn over
and then keep on rolling!)
Wow, now that was a long parenthesis... i guess it's getting laid, uh
late.
> > ..oO(Now where am I getting a fire-resistant armor... or maybe a
> > permanent Resist Fire tattoo... the certainly following flaming could
> > ruin my hair...)
> I've got some Magnesium armor right here :)
Huh? But in Vehicles 2nd edition, nothing is mentioned of Magnesium
armor! Hey sounds cool, i'll – just kidding, I'm not an american, you
remember. I will go for composite metal/ceramic armor with tough
fireproof cloth... :-)
- a very amused Christopher (as you see: I'm no queen) -
..oO(darn, my jokes are Earth core level... need ... sleep... can't
concentrate...)
Phil Adams
> Last I checked, there's no fence keeping you in. If you don't like the
> US Constitution, you're free to move somewhere else.
Typical. Sorry, but that's the expected refrain from those with closed
minds. Heaven forbid someone should actually voice a dissenting opinion.
Tell you what, though, I served 20 years in service protecting a document
and philosophy I don't agree with. I caught plenty of flak for not being a
toe-the-line Conservative Neanderthal (not saying one necessitates the
other, but there's no shortage of exactly this sort of "America, love it or
leave it" simpleton thinking among the small town, small mind military
sorts). I think I'm one of a handful of veterans who'd defend a flag burner
(freedom of speech, don't you know) with the same zeal I'd push a button to
level Mogadishu or Baghdad). You can love your country and still
acknowledge it can improve. Significantly. If I happen to stumble across
sufficient funds to become independently wealthy one day (after my wife
wraps up her 20 years of service), I very well may start looking for a
country more to my liking. I don't know that one exists, though. Since
we're all human and flawed and we created the governments under which we
live, I'm pretty sure every place will have one set of problems or another.
However, while I'm still here I reserve the right to bitch and complain and
do what I can to effect change (or to simply blow off politics and all the
naive people who think they somehow matter). After all, life is a matter of
choosing your battles, or is that also not something to your liking?
Phil Adams
Genero
> > > Whud? You mean... you're NOT evil nazi psycho-demons from communist
>
> hell???
> > > Darn! I would've bet!
> > SHH!!! It's a secret!!!
> Ohhhh, okay. Phew, I already though it was some conspiracy ...
> some weird "War against a yet unknown -ism" or such...
Capitalist hell. get it straight 8-)
dragging this over to GURPS for a moment: would this be an Unusual
Background, a Disadvantage, or a Quirk? I'm voting for a -15point
disadvantage myself
"Fascist Imperialist Psycho Demon Capitalist". Combines Reputation
(everyone, all the time, -1 modifier), Compulsive Behavior (save the
world!) and Odious Personal Habit (whether you want to be saved or
not...)
(cut)
> > > Which ones, exactly? I'm interested in this ... uhm, theory.
> > Wow!!! You're actually giving this the status of 'theory' (I wouldn't have
> > given it the status of hypothesis... maybe 'opinion' at best) :)
> > I've HEARD (no first hand info) that the U.S.'s 'Right To Bear Arms'
> > un-nerves many people in other countries... especially when they hear
G: This may come as a shock, but this "right to bear arms" neither
mandates nor requires ownership. It simply allows ownership. Most
people, in the US, do not, in fact, own firearms. Only the ones that
show up on the news do.
(cut)
> Yup... as of the news that arrive here in the "Auld Worlde", every other
> second some American town is turned to ashes by riots, or police officer
G: Hmmm, and I thought european news services were a bit more
efficient than that. (looks outside). Nope, my city is still here. In
spite of riots this past summer, police officers shooting people, and
all that other nasty stuff you see on the news. (For fun, guess which
city I'm in. I'll give you a hint. I'm not on a coastline.)
(cut)
> > > - Christopher -
> > >
> > > P.S.: But, really: I don't plan on
> > > going/flying/swimming/boating/teleporting/whatever to the U.S., either.
> > > There are funnier, nicer, sunnier, short: better places for having
G: Well, we do understand that the 5000km distance from here to there
is kind of a barrier too...
> > > holidays at.... maybe even some where they speak a decent language like
> > > French. *g*
> > Hey!!! We got French words!!! (and some Spanish... and some English...
> and
> > some Japanese... and some German... and...)
G: And russian, and chinese, and korean...(did I miss any?)
I seem to recall some linguist commenting about how American English
would, on occasion, grab some hapless language, drag it down an alley,
and beat it until all the good words had fallen out, then take those
good ones for it's own...
> GAH! You call the carcasse that you left phonologically raped from a once
> beautiful and living language "French words"??? I don't think so!
G: I wouldn't phrase it quite like that 8-)
(cut)
> Well, some more reasons against america: you low speed limits (for what
> have you hundrets of kilometer (pardon, mile) long and absurdly broad
G: Have you tried sitting in a car and driving for few hundred kms? I
mean, 600km without interruption. It's not all it's advertised to be.
In fact,it gets downright boring after a couple hours.
Plus, the de-facto limit on the interstates is more like 120 kph than
100kph, and even faster if you feel lucky.. Like the time I got chased
up I-476 at, uhm mumblemumble150kphmumblemumble by a sportscar. But I
digress.
> Freeways, if you don't USE them? I mean... any German could pass you at
> speeds of ~200kph (~125mph) while staying on the same track!
G: I hate to inject rationality into this discussion, but unless
everyone is going that speed, it's like driving through a parking lot
at 100kph.
What are the GURPS penalties for that kind of speed-differential?
(I'm trying to keep this on-topic for the NG. Honest!)
> And at
> triple that speed if we had cars like the U.S. citizens, built with no
> limit whatsoever on how many kerosene (gasolene?) they gulp...
G: You just want a corvette/camaro/other US car with a big gas-sucking
V8 engine and more acceleration than the Saturn Rocket. I see how you
are. 8-)
> then again, why would one buy an american car? No really, look at all the
> films! They keep exploding where any European car would just turn over
> and then keep on rolling!)
G: At least American cars are big enough they won't fold up like paper
when you look at it cross-eyed. Neener Neener.
> Wow, now that was a long parenthesis... i guess it's getting laid, uh
> late.
G: Hey, it's your computer . . .
Genero
Ray Cochener
they decide to sunbathe nude. At least in public.
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