Open Gaming - Its the Future of Gaming
OGW
examined! I mean why would you ever fork out hundreds of dollars
buying D&D manuals and supplemental gaming world info when you can get
it all for free.
WOTC aka Hasbro has almost all the core D&D gaming information located
on their web site. Its free to download and print out on your
computer.
Also their are hundreds, maybe even thousands of gaming worlds online
that are extremely detailed and available for free.
For instance www.opengamingworld.com has fantastically detailed gaming
available for free. All you have to do is download the player
handbook and you're off to the races!
You are crazy if you pay for it!
No 33 Secretary
news:70042a11.0402...@posting.google.com:
> I think anyone who pays for D20 products should have their head
> examined! I mean why would you ever fork out hundreds of dollars
> buying D&D manuals and supplemental gaming world info when you can get
> it all for free.
>
> WOTC aka Hasbro has almost all the core D&D gaming information located
> on their web site. Its free to download and print out on your
> computer.
Which, of course, costs more than simply buying the book, and you end up
with several hundred loose sheets of paper, which means frequent reprints,
which drives the price up even more.
Which might explain why people buy books.
>
> Also their are hundreds, maybe even thousands of gaming worlds online
> that are extremely detailed and available for free.
>
> For instance www.opengamingworld.com has fantastically detailed gaming
> available for free. All you have to do is download the player
> handbook and you're off to the races!
>
> You are crazy if you pay for it!
>
Of course, the very address you post with is listed as the administrative
contact for that very domain.
Which, BTW, make your post very spammy.
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Terry Austin
tau...@hyperbooks.com
www.hyperbooks.com
Roleplaying Stuff
OGW
> with several hundred loose sheets of paper, which means frequent reprints,
> which drives the price up even more.
>
> Which might explain why people buy books.
Yah! Printing 300-400 pages costs more than buying a couple of
books???!!!!??? Are you crazy?!? You can print 400 pages for $20.00
at a cost of .05 cents per sheet. I'm sure you can print them for
much less if you wanted. Buying the PHB and DMG costs $50.00 + taxes.
There's also nothing to stop a person from ever printing anything and
keeping it all online for easy access. You obviously don't have a
clue what you're talking about!!!
> Of course, the very address you post with is listed as the administrative
> contact for that very domain.
>
> Which, BTW, make your post very spammy.
Once again you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The
web site is organized by a group of gaming enthusiasts that don't want
to pay for books anymore. I'm sure you're trying to defend your turf
in order to make money, which makes your comments meaningless.
BTW - Look up the definition of SPAM, because you have no clue !!
No 33 Secretary <taustin...@hyperbooks.com> wrote in message news:<Xns948391C539421ta...@216.168.3.50>...
Ian R Malcomson
>Yah! Printing 300-400 pages costs more than buying a couple of
>books???!!!!??? Are you crazy?!? You can print 400 pages for $20.00
>at a cost of .05 cents per sheet.
...Material cost. It's something like £5, plus £15 in ink, plus £5 for
a folder big enough to hold it all - £25, not including the cost in
time. For which I don't get an index, a folder of loose-leaves which
would be horrible to refer to in writing or in playing, tables that are
a nightmare to refer to, and no page numbers (book A says "see p.# of
the PHB" - and p.# would be in a print of the SRD...?) For all that,
£18 per book is a pretty minor outlay.
>I'm sure you can print them for
>much less if you wanted. Buying the PHB and DMG costs $50.00 + taxes.
Money isn't everything - ease-of-use and time-to-use are. A printed SRD
just would not bring either of those facets to the gaming table, without
a *lot* more work than simply printing it out.
> There's also nothing to stop a person from ever printing anything and
>keeping it all online for easy access. You obviously don't have a
>clue what you're talking about!!!
And when you say "I think anyone who pays for D20 products should have
their head examined!", you have little clue, either. Perhaps you're a
student who has to scrape together pennies for a pack of fags each week
or somesuch.
Popping into a shop (or even ordering online) takes seconds or minutes
at most, as opposed to the hours of messing around with printing it.
I'm self-employed - £54 for a set of nicely formatted, indexed,
hardcover rulebooks is pittance compared to the (approximate weighing of
time spent to money) £350+ it would cost me personally to print a tatty,
loose-leaf, badly formatted version of the SRD. No, thanks.
>Once again you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The
>web site is organized by a group of gaming enthusiasts that don't want
>to pay for books anymore.
Ahhh...cheapskates...gotcha... You could apply the "rule of
commercialism" here - if you are such enthusiasts, why would you be so
avid about seeing the company that made the rules you are supposedly
enthusiastic about shut shop through lack of income?
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Terry Austin
news:70042a11.04020...@posting.google.com:
>> Which, of course, costs more than simply buying the book, and you end
>> up with several hundred loose sheets of paper, which means frequent
>> reprints, which drives the price up even more.
>>
>> Which might explain why people buy books.
>
> Yah! Printing 300-400 pages costs more than buying a couple of
> books???!!!!??? Are you crazy?!? You can print 400 pages for $20.00
> at a cost of .05 cents per sheet.
If you have a laser printer. Few people do, unless they steal from work.
Inkjets are more like .30 per page, or more.
> I'm sure you can print them for
> much less if you wanted.
I can print them for free, actually, as I have permission to do so at work.
> Buying the PHB and DMG costs $50.00 + taxes.
> There's also nothing to stop a person from ever printing anything and
> keeping it all online for easy access. You obviously don't have a
> clue what you're talking about!!!
You obviously suck waaaay too much dick.
And you'll still end up with several hundred loose sheets of paper, spam
boy.
>
>> Of course, the very address you post with is listed as the
>> administrative contact for that very domain.
>>
>> Which, BTW, make your post very spammy.
>
>
> Once again you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Rule #1: Spammers lie.
>The
> web site is organized by a group of gaming enthusiasts that don't want
> to pay for books anymore. I'm sure you're trying to defend your turf
> in order to make money, which makes your comments meaningless.
You spammed a web site you are admin contact for, spam boy.
>
> BTW - Look up the definition of SPAM, because you have no clue !!
>
Rule #1: Spammers lie.
Rule #2: Spammers are stupid.
Rule #3: There is no rule #3. Refer to Rule #1.
Any particular reason you left in a complete second copy of my post? Or
were you just being Rule #2 compliant?
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Terry Austin
tau...@hyperbooks.com
http://www.hyperbooks.com/
Roleplaying Stuff
Terry Austin
news:slrnc1u56u...@debian.dns2go.com:
> OGW wrote on [2 Feb 2004 19:19:16 -0800]:
>>> Which, of course, costs more than simply buying the book, and you
>>> end up with several hundred loose sheets of paper, which means
>>> frequent reprints, which drives the price up even more.
>>>
>>> Which might explain why people buy books.
>>
>> Yah! Printing 300-400 pages costs more than buying a couple of
>> books???!!!!??? Are you crazy?!? You can print 400 pages for $20.00
>> at a cost of .05 cents per sheet. I'm sure you can print them for
>> much less if you wanted. Buying the PHB and DMG costs $50.00 +
>> taxes.
>
> Huh. I paid under $50 for all three books. And they were all
> hardbound, in colour.
>
>> Once again you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The
>> web site is organized by a group of gaming enthusiasts that don't
>> want to pay for books anymore.
>
> Because they don't want to see more product development?
>
Because they're stupid, lying spammers. (Yeah, it's doubly redundant.)
CARRIER LOST
> I think anyone who pays for D20 products should have their head
> examined!
obviously.
> I mean why would you ever fork out hundreds of dollars buying D&D
> manuals and supplemental gaming world info when you can get it all
> for free.
i have the same theory regarding computers and cars.
yours, in particular.
> WOTC aka Hasbro has almost all the core D&D gaming information located
> on their web site. Its free to download and print out on your
> computer.
huzzah.
> Also their are hundreds, maybe even thousands of gaming worlds online
> that are extremely detailed and available for free.
huzzah.
> For instance www.opengamingworld.com has fantastically detailed gaming
> available for free. All you have to do is download the player
> handbook and you're off to the races!
when watching television it's best to leave the lights on.
ah ha! it's a spammer!
> You are crazy if you pay for it!
you are crazy if you don't. my assertion hits yours for 25 hp damage.
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Rupert Boleyn
<tau...@hyperbooks.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:
> tleric...@yahoo.com (OGW) wrote in
> news:70042a11.04020...@posting.google.com:
>
> >> Which, of course, costs more than simply buying the book, and you end
> >> up with several hundred loose sheets of paper, which means frequent
> >> reprints, which drives the price up even more.
> >>
> >> Which might explain why people buy books.
> >
> > Yah! Printing 300-400 pages costs more than buying a couple of
> > books???!!!!??? Are you crazy?!? You can print 400 pages for $20.00
> > at a cost of .05 cents per sheet.
>
> If you have a laser printer. Few people do, unless they steal from work.
> Inkjets are more like .30 per page, or more.
I do, and I'd not want to be going printing massive tomes of d20
downloads. Not counting the cost of my printer I could expect to pay
about NZ$0.03 per page if I double sided it, assuming no stuffups, and
not counting bindings, etc. Then there's the hours spent feeding the
printer, turning the pages and re-feeding it (being a small printer it
doesn't have automatic duplexing), not to mention re-formatting the
documents for A4, which experience has shown me takes ages if it's
done right. To get it looking half-way decent would take even longer -
the SRD's in Times New Roman, for goodness' sake.
> > Buying the PHB and DMG costs $50.00 + taxes.
> > There's also nothing to stop a person from ever printing anything and
> > keeping it all online for easy access. You obviously don't have a
> > clue what you're talking about!!!
>
> You obviously suck waaaay too much dick.
I paid NZ$50 each for the v3.5 core rules, which at the time was about
US$30 each - the list price (unusually low for retail sales in NZ),
and IMO they're very good value at that price (if you find D&D v3.5
meets your roleplaying needs, of course). Heck, I have the SRDs on my
machine and I'll generally go and dig the book out of the pile on the
other side of the room rather than use the SRD - having an index is
very handy.
--
Rupert Boleyn <rbo...@paradise.net.nz>
"Just because the truth will set you free doesn't mean the truth itself
should be free."
Nockermensch
> OGW <tleric...@yahoo.com> writes
> >Yah! Printing 300-400 pages costs more than buying a couple of
> >books???!!!!??? Are you crazy?!? You can print 400 pages for $20.00
> >at a cost of .05 cents per sheet.
>
> ...Material cost. It's something like £5, plus £15 in ink, plus £5 for
> a folder big enough to hold it all - £25, not including the cost in
> time. For which I don't get an index, a folder of loose-leaves which
> would be horrible to refer to in writing or in playing, tables that are
> a nightmare to refer to, and no page numbers (book A says "see p.# of
> the PHB" - and p.# would be in a print of the SRD...?) For all that,
> £18 per book is a pretty minor outlay.
>
> >I'm sure you can print them for
> >much less if you wanted. Buying the PHB and DMG costs $50.00 + taxes.
>
> Money isn't everything - ease-of-use and time-to-use are. A printed SRD
> just would not bring either of those facets to the gaming table, without
> a *lot* more work than simply printing it out.
>
> > There's also nothing to stop a person from ever printing anything and
> >keeping it all online for easy access. You obviously don't have a
> >clue what you're talking about!!!
>
> And when you say "I think anyone who pays for D20 products should have
> their head examined!", you have little clue, either. Perhaps you're a
> student who has to scrape together pennies for a pack of fags each week
> or somesuch.
Now this isn't reason to attack the guy's sexuality.
--
@ @ Nockermensch, "It's no wonder 100 million faggots are eaten in the
UK every year!"
No 33 Secretary
news:4769522f.04020...@posting.google.com:
> Now this isn't reason to attack the guy's sexuality.
>
No. The reason for that is because he's a spammer.
OGW
> You spammed a web site you are admin contact for, spam boy.
> >
> > BTW - Look up the definition of SPAM, because you have no clue !!
> >
> Rule #1: Spammers lie.
>
> Rule #2: Spammers are stupid.
>
> Rule #3: There is no rule #3. Refer to Rule #1.
>
> Any particular reason you left in a complete second copy of my post? Or
> were you just being Rule #2 compliant?
Listed here SPAMMER you post this stupid advertising at the end of
each of your posts.
> Terry Austin
> tau...@hyperbooks.com
> http://www.hyperbooks.com/
> Roleplaying Stuff
This is spamming to the tenth degree! In fact its the definition of
SPAM.
Nobody wants to buy your books or see your lame advertising. If there
is anyone spamming in here on regular basis its you!
The original post was about the future of the gaming industry. Just
because you don't like what others have to say you you post immature
and juvenile responses like the one below.
> You obviously suck waaaay too much dick.
Anyone who talks like that is not even worth talking to. So go away
SPAMBOY!
BTW - Foul language is a great way to promote your crummy little
MERCHANDISING web site. I'm sure that will attract many customers for
you!
No 33 Secretary
>>
>> You spammed a web site you are admin contact for, spam boy.
>> >
>> > BTW - Look up the definition of SPAM, because you have no clue !!
>> >
>> Rule #1: Spammers lie.
>>
>> Rule #2: Spammers are stupid.
>>
>> Rule #3: There is no rule #3. Refer to Rule #1.
>>
>> Any particular reason you left in a complete second copy of my post? Or
>> were you just being Rule #2 compliant?
>
>
> Listed here SPAMMER you post this stupid advertising at the end of
> each of your posts.
.sig advertising has been perfectly acceptable, and common practice, for as
long as Usenet has existed. It's even four lines, the polite limit.
You, on the other hand, simply posted an ad for a web site you have a
vested interest in, that had no other purpose than advertising. The only
sin you missed was crossposting it, spam boy.
>
>> Terry Austin
>> tau...@hyperbooks.com
>> http://www.hyperbooks.com/
>> Roleplaying Stuff
>
> This is spamming to the tenth degree! In fact its the definition of
> SPAM.
Rule #1. In this case, sub-type "spamming is that which I do not do."
You're a spammer, pure and simple.
> Nobody wants to buy your books or see your lame advertising.
My merchant service would be quite surprised to hear that.
>If there
> is anyone spamming in here on regular basis its you!
Rule #1. And rule #2.
>
> The original post was about the future of the gaming industry.
No, the original post was spam, advertising your web site.
>Just
> because you don't like what others have to say you you post immature
> and juvenile responses like the one below.
People who give away their work usually do so because no one will pay them
for it.
>
>> You obviously suck waaaay too much dick.
>
> Anyone who talks like that is not even worth talking to.
Then STFU, spam boy.
>So go away
> SPAMBOY!
Rule #1.
>
> BTW - Foul language is a great way to promote your crummy little
> MERCHANDISING web site.
I've been here for eight years. My web site has met my every expectation,
especially business-wise. You, on the other hand, are a spammer.
>I'm sure that will attract many customers for
> you!
>
Two weekends back, another spammer decided to engage in a little criminal
forgery, by spamming hundreds of newsgroups with my name. Business is still
up, quite a bit, as a direct result.
I *like* pissing off spammers. It's fun, and it's good for business.
So keep it up, spam boy. You're money in the bank.
(And your web site sucks.)
No 33 Secretary
news:slrnc1vljk...@debian.dns2go.com:
>> The original post was about the future of the gaming industry.
>
> So... what sort of industry will there be when nobody can afford to
> publish anything because people aren't buying anything? You're right.
> None. Your logic is seriously flawed.
No, his logic is perfect. You just don't understand it. You see, a
professional writer is one who won't do it for free. But spam boy isn't
good enough for anyone to be willing to pay him for it. So he wants to
drive the entire industry out of business, because that's the only way
anybody will ever be interested in his drivel - if there's nothing else
available.
No 33 Secretary
VoidSpawn? You remind me a lot of the SenZards.
OGW
> You spammed a web site you are admin contact for, spam boy.
> >
> > BTW - Look up the definition of SPAM, because you have no clue !!
> >
> Rule #1: Spammers lie.
>
> Rule #2: Spammers are stupid.
>
> Rule #3: There is no rule #3. Refer to Rule #1.
>
> Any particular reason you left in a complete second copy of my post? Or
> were you just being Rule #2 compliant?
Listed here SPAMMER you post this stupid advertising at the end of
each of your posts.
> Terry Austin
> tau...@hyperbooks.com
> http://www.hyperbooks.com/
> Roleplaying Stuff
This is spamming to the tenth degree! In fact its the definition of
SPAM.
Nobody wants to buy your books or see your lame advertising. If there
is anyone spamming in here on regular basis its you!
The original post was about the future of the gaming industry. Just
because you don't like what others have to say you you post immature
and juvenile responses like the one below.
> You obviously suck waaaay too much dick.
Anyone who talks like that is not even worth talking to. So go away
SPAMBOY!
BTW - Foul language is a great way to promote your crummy little
MERCHANDISING web site. I'm sure that will attract many customers for
you!
No 33 Secretary
First Prophet of Kaos
>> Any particular reason you left in a complete second copy of my post? Or
>> were you just being Rule #2 compliant?
>
>
>Listed here SPAMMER you post this stupid advertising at the end of
>each of your posts.
>
>> Terry Austin
>> tau...@hyperbooks.com
>> http://www.hyperbooks.com/
>> Roleplaying Stuff
>
>This is spamming to the tenth degree! In fact its the definition of
>SPAM.
Actually, it's not. By definition.
--
When in doubt, RTFM.
No 33 Secretary
Sea Wasp
>>You spammed a web site you are admin contact for, spam boy.
>>
>>>BTW - Look up the definition of SPAM, because you have no clue !!
>>>
>>
>>Rule #1: Spammers lie.
>>
>>Rule #2: Spammers are stupid.
>>
>>Rule #3: There is no rule #3. Refer to Rule #1.
>>
>>Any particular reason you left in a complete second copy of my post? Or
>>were you just being Rule #2 compliant?
>
>
>
> Listed here SPAMMER you post this stupid advertising at the end of
> each of your posts.
>
>
Ooo, Terry, you have a live one here.
--
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/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/seawasp/
Rupert Boleyn
<taustin...@hyperbooks.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:
> (And your web site sucks.)
It looks like it's a rip-off of WOTC's site - hardly a good site to
emulate. And the content definately sucks. It took about 30 seconds to
find this little gem:
Cause Nosebleed
Transmutation
Level: Wiz/Sor 0, Trickery 0
Components: V, F/DF
Casting Time: 1 round
Range: 50 ft; + 10 ft/level
Effect: 1d4 temporary CON loss.
Target: 1 creature
Duration: 1 minute/ level
Saving Throw: Yes, half
Spell Resistance: No
This spell, if successful, will cause the victim to receive a heavy
nosebleed equal in length in minutes to the casters caster level. This
spell will initially incur a Concentration check by the target if used
on a target casting a spell. The target will take 1d4 temporary
Constitution damage, which will regenerate after one hour. If the
target of the spell is Small size or larger, their Constitution can
drop to a minimum of 1. This spell is often used as a prank at magic
schools.
Material Component: A bloodied handkerchief, used to staunch at least
one nosebleed.
Non-standard range, longer duration than Ray of Enfeeblement (a 1st
level spell), guaranteed Con drain at 0-level, average damage not much
shy of Ray of Frost, etc., _and_ non-energy. Oh, yes - the duration in
the stat block contradicts that in the text. Quality work, this.
Rupert Boleyn
<taustin...@hyperbooks.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:
> Just out of curiosity, did you used to post under the names CrabFoam or
> VoidSpawn? You remind me a lot of the SenZards.
He certainly likes his capslock key.
No 33 Secretary
> OGW wrote:
>>>You spammed a web site you are admin contact for, spam boy.
>>>
>>>>BTW - Look up the definition of SPAM, because you have no clue !!
>>>>
>>>
>>>Rule #1: Spammers lie.
>>>
>>>Rule #2: Spammers are stupid.
>>>
>>>Rule #3: There is no rule #3. Refer to Rule #1.
>>>
>>>Any particular reason you left in a complete second copy of my post? Or
>>>were you just being Rule #2 compliant?
>>
>>
>>
>> Listed here SPAMMER you post this stupid advertising at the end of
>> each of your posts.
>>
>>
>
> Ooo, Terry, you have a live one here.
>
Yes, I certainly do. If I'm lucky, he'll do something technically illegal,
and make me even *more* money. Business sure is up after last week.
No 33 Secretary
news:0td02093cdocnhr0g...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:27:12 -0000, No 33 Secretary
> <taustin...@hyperbooks.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:
>
>> (And your web site sucks.)
>
> It looks like it's a rip-off of WOTC's site - hardly a good site to
> emulate. And the content definately sucks. It took about 30 seconds to
> find this little gem:
>
> Cause Nosebleed
Explains why nobody is willing to pay him for it, eh?
Rupert Boleyn
<taustin...@hyperbooks.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:
> Rupert Boleyn <rbo...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in
> news:0td02093cdocnhr0g...@4ax.com:
>
> > On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:27:12 -0000, No 33 Secretary
> > <taustin...@hyperbooks.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:
> >
> >> (And your web site sucks.)
> >
> > It looks like it's a rip-off of WOTC's site - hardly a good site to
> > emulate. And the content definately sucks. It took about 30 seconds to
> > find this little gem:
> >
> > Cause Nosebleed
>
> Explains why nobody is willing to pay him for it, eh?
Aye.
Ian R Malcomson
>Now this isn't reason to attack the guy's sexuality.
Ahh, I see the ancient English<->Yankese mistranslation humour is still
alive and well ;)
--
Ian R Malcomson
Ralph Glatt
Hold on a minute, Einstein. IIRC, the SRD doesn't have any information
on XP. You have to get the DMG to get that information. How do you
expect people to play if they don't have this vital information?
Ralph Glatt
Member, Old Farts Club
Ian R Malcomson
<nos...@insightbb.com> writes
Not unless you set fire to Queer Eye gang members...
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Nockermensch
Also No Spell Resistance and it's Con DAMAGE, meaning that several
castings stacks. Wands of Cause Nosebleed, here I come!
What's the Focus component anyway? Showing a beautiful girl's panties?
--
@ @ Nockermensch, because this is how it works in ANIME...
Rupert Boleyn
Another inconsistency, I guess. As I said: Quality Work.
No 33 Secretary
I notice our SenZard friend is MIA. Pity. He was fun, briefly.
Rupert Boleyn
No stamina, these younglings. I'd quote Miles here (on his
generation's evils vs his grandfather's), but I can't find the passage
right now.
No 33 Secretary
> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:19:30 -0000, No 33 Secretary
> <taustin...@hyperbooks.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:
>
>> I notice our SenZard friend is MIA. Pity. He was fun, briefly.
>
> No stamina, these younglings.
Indeed. They just don't make 'tards like they used to.
> I'd quote Miles here (on his
> generation's evils vs his grandfather's), but I can't find the passage
> right now.
>
S'Okay. I know what you mean.
OGW
> Indeed. They just don't make 'tards like they used to.
>
Hey, I can take all kinds of criticism. If you don't like the website
and the concept then so be it. No loss to me. But calling people
names over the internet is laughingly funny. I mean really, grow up!
Terry Austin it seems you get into these childish cat fights all the
time. I searched your name in the groups and it seems you get into
these problems all the time. I have pity on you. Your life must be
very boring and you must sit alone in a room at night in the darkness
in front of your computer. I envision that you are a very unhappy
person. Maybe one day you'll be happy!
Its hard to compete against teenage angst and juvenile writers.
Oh well, it takes all kinds!
Terry, please submit your juvenile responses to my post. I'm sure you
won't be able to resist from spreading your unhappiness.
Bryan J. Maloney
thusnews:70042a11.04020...@posting.google.com:
> Terry Austin it seems you get into these childish cat fights all the
> time.
I have a puppy. The puppy thinks she is so tough when she "wrestles" with
me...
Rupert Boleyn
a tablet of ether:
> Terry Austin it seems you get into these childish cat fights all the
> time. I searched your name in the groups and it seems you get into
> these problems all the time. I have pity on you. Your life must be
> very boring and you must sit alone in a room at night in the darkness
> in front of your computer. I envision that you are a very unhappy
> person. Maybe one day you'll be happy!
You really don't understand Terry very well, do you.
Arian
> Rupert Boleyn <rbo...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in
> news:2gu22091r313jqtak...@4ax.com:
>> I'd quote Miles here (on his generation's evils vs his
>> grandfather's), but I can't find the passage right now.
>
> S'Okay. I know what you mean.
Me too. <cheers loudly at Rupert's taste in fiction>
--
Arian
Address me by name at North-net (with no hyphen), a 3-letter company
trading in the great south land.
First Prophet of Kaos
>> Indeed. They just don't make 'tards like they used to.
>>
>
>Hey, I can take all kinds of criticism. If you don't like the website
>and the concept then so be it. No loss to me. But calling people
>names over the internet is laughingly funny. I mean really, grow up!
Thus says the man who opened the conversation up with "I think anyone
who pays for D20 products should have their head examined!"
Rob Singers
> Terry, please submit your juvenile responses to my post. I'm sure you
> won't be able to resist from spreading your unhappiness.
OGW I think you should politiely ask your parents to install some net nanny
software on your family PC.
--
Rob Singers
"All your Ron are belong to us"
Rupert Boleyn
carved upon a tablet of ether:
> No 33 Secretary wrote:
>
> > Rupert Boleyn <rbo...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in
> > news:2gu22091r313jqtak...@4ax.com:
>
> >> I'd quote Miles here (on his generation's evils vs his
> >> grandfather's), but I can't find the passage right now.
> >
> > S'Okay. I know what you mean.
>
> Me too. <cheers loudly at Rupert's taste in fiction>
Been reading Bujold's work since the late 80s, that being when her
novels first turned up on the shelves over here. I have all her SF
novels, though a glance at my shelf shows that _Falling Free_ seems to
have gone for a walk. Now I wonder who's got it. Hmm.
Arian
> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:05:29 +1100, Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com>
> carved upon a tablet of ether:
>
>
>> No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Rupert Boleyn <rbo...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in
>>> news:2gu22091r313jqtak...@4ax.com:
>>
>>>> I'd quote Miles here (on his generation's evils vs his
>>>> grandfather's), but I can't find the passage right now.
>>>
>>> S'Okay. I know what you mean.
>>
>> Me too. <cheers loudly at Rupert's taste in fiction>
>
> Been reading Bujold's work since the late 80s, that being when her
> novels first turned up on the shelves over here. I have all her SF
> novels, though a glance at my shelf shows that _Falling Free_ seems
> to have gone for a walk. Now I wonder who's got it. Hmm.
A certain SoCal resident converted me in May '99 by sending me copies of
_Cordelia's Honor_ and _Young Miles_. I have to order new releases from
Sydney; they don't find their way up here otherwise. :-/
> I have all her SF novels, though a glance at my shelf shows that
> _Falling Free_ seems to have gone for a walk. Now I wonder who's got
> it. Hmm.
Gone for a *float*, ITYM.
Rupert Boleyn
carved upon a tablet of ether:
> A certain SoCal resident converted me in May '99 by sending me copies of
> _Cordelia's Honor_ and _Young Miles_. I have to order new releases from
> Sydney; they don't find their way up here otherwise. :-/
Recently a local secondhand bookstore started direct importing new SF
and fantasy from the US. This is proving to be very hard on my wallet.
We got _Diplomatic Immunity_ very shortly after the US stores did. :)
Arian
> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:58:19 +1100, Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com>
> carved upon a tablet of ether:
>
>
>>A certain SoCal resident converted me in May '99 by sending me copies of
>>_Cordelia's Honor_ and _Young Miles_. I have to order new releases from
>>Sydney; they don't find their way up here otherwise. :-/
>
> Recently a local secondhand bookstore started direct importing new SF
> and fantasy from the US. This is proving to be very hard on my wallet.
> We got _Diplomatic Immunity_ very shortly after the US stores did. :)
Fortunately for me, the same individual went to a book-signing just
after the release of DI, and got a copy for me as well as for himself.
"Arain", it says, in LMB's own hand. :-D
No 33 Secretary
news:70042a11.04020...@posting.google.com:
>>
>> Indeed. They just don't make 'tards like they used to.
>>
>
> Hey, I can take all kinds of criticism.
And anything else that's not nailed down.
> If you don't like the website
> and the concept then so be it. No loss to me. But calling people
> names over the internet is laughingly funny. I mean really, grow up!
Spamming usenet is laughable.
>
> Terry Austin it seems you get into these childish cat fights all the
> time.
Duh.
> I searched your name in the groups and it seems you get into
> these problems all the time.
Whatp problems? I find you highly amusing.
>I have pity on you.
I fart in your general direction.
>Your life must be
> very boring and you must sit alone in a room at night in the darkness
> in front of your computer.
You're the one spamming Usenet, spam boy.
>I envision that you are a very unhappy
> person.
You need to.
>Maybe one day you'll be happy!
Maybe one day you'll learn to stop sucking dicks on Usenet. But I doubt it.
>
> Its hard to compete against teenage angst and juvenile writers.
Does that mean you're going to go away or STUF? Or at least stop spamming?
> Oh well, it takes all kinds!
>
> Terry, please submit your juvenile responses to my post. I'm sure you
> won't be able to resist from spreading your unhappiness.
>
Don't try to troll the master, son. You haven't got what it takes.
No 33 Secretary
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Does she hump your leg, too?
No 33 Secretary
> On 4 Feb 2004 19:55:30 -0800, tleric...@yahoo.com (OGW) carved upon
> a tablet of ether:
>
>> Terry Austin it seems you get into these childish cat fights all the
>> time. I searched your name in the groups and it seems you get into
>> these problems all the time. I have pity on you. Your life must be
>> very boring and you must sit alone in a room at night in the darkness
>> in front of your computer. I envision that you are a very unhappy
>> person. Maybe one day you'll be happy!
>
> You really don't understand Terry very well, do you.
>
He really doesn't understand much of anything very well, does he?
No 33 Secretary
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> A certain SoCal resident converted me in May '99 by sending me copies of
> _Cordelia's Honor_ and _Young Miles_.
The first hit, as they say, is always free.
>I have to order new releases from
> Sydney; they don't find their way up here otherwise. :-/
>
>> I have all her SF novels, though a glance at my shelf shows that
>> _Falling Free_ seems to have gone for a walk. Now I wonder who's got
>> it. Hmm.
>
> Gone for a *float*, ITYM.
>
I still keep a copy of one or two of 'em around just to loan out.
No 33 Secretary
92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Rupert Boleyn wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:58:19 +1100, Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com>
>> carved upon a tablet of ether:
>>
>>
>>>A certain SoCal resident converted me in May '99 by sending me copies of
>>>_Cordelia's Honor_ and _Young Miles_. I have to order new releases from
>>>Sydney; they don't find their way up here otherwise. :-/
>>
>> Recently a local secondhand bookstore started direct importing new SF
>> and fantasy from the US. This is proving to be very hard on my wallet.
>> We got _Diplomatic Immunity_ very shortly after the US stores did. :)
>
> Fortunately for me, the same individual went to a book-signing just
> after the release of DI, and got a copy for me as well as for himself.
> "Arain", it says, in LMB's own hand. :-D
>
And you'll never let me forget it, will you?
Wayne Shaw
<rbo...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:05:29 +1100, Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com>
>carved upon a tablet of ether:
>
>> No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>
>> > Rupert Boleyn <rbo...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in
>> > news:2gu22091r313jqtak...@4ax.com:
>>
>> >> I'd quote Miles here (on his generation's evils vs his
>> >> grandfather's), but I can't find the passage right now.
>> >
>> > S'Okay. I know what you mean.
>>
>> Me too. <cheers loudly at Rupert's taste in fiction>
>
>Been reading Bujold's work since the late 80s, that being when her
>novels first turned up on the shelves over here. I have all her SF
>novels, though a glance at my shelf shows that _Falling Free_ seems to
>have gone for a walk. Now I wonder who's got it. Hmm.
I'm trying to figure out if I never owned a copy of _Brothers in Arms_
and just borrowed it, or it's somewhere out in the Boxes. My wife
would like to read it...
Rupert Boleyn
<taustin...@hyperbooks.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:
If he does he hides it well, behind that barrage of caps (for
emphasis, don't you know) of his. He certainly doens't know anything
about basic game design.
Rupert Boleyn
carved upon a tablet of ether:
> Fortunately for me, the same individual went to a book-signing just
> after the release of DI, and got a copy for me as well as for himself.
> "Arain", it says, in LMB's own hand. :-D
She was over here for a Con last year. Of course, as always with Cons,
I was out of town at the time.
Rupert Boleyn
upon a tablet of ether:
> I'm trying to figure out if I never owned a copy of _Brothers in Arms_
> and just borrowed it, or it's somewhere out in the Boxes. My wife
> would like to read it...
That used to be my favourite, though _A Civil Camapign_ is probably
the one I like most, followed by _Komarr_.
No 33 Secretary
> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:17:58 -0000, No 33 Secretary
> <taustin...@hyperbooks.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:
>
>> Rupert Boleyn <rbo...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in
>> news:pni320donsc7u2cji...@4ax.com:
>>
>> > On 4 Feb 2004 19:55:30 -0800, tleric...@yahoo.com (OGW) carved upon
>> > a tablet of ether:
>> >
>> >> Terry Austin it seems you get into these childish cat fights all the
>> >> time. I searched your name in the groups and it seems you get into
>> >> these problems all the time. I have pity on you. Your life must be
>> >> very boring and you must sit alone in a room at night in the darkness
>> >> in front of your computer. I envision that you are a very unhappy
>> >> person. Maybe one day you'll be happy!
>> >
>> > You really don't understand Terry very well, do you.
>> >
>> He really doesn't understand much of anything very well, does he?
>
> If he does he hides it well, behind that barrage of caps (for
> emphasis, don't you know) of his. He certainly doens't know anything
> about basic game design.
>
Or his ass from a hole in the ground, even with his thumb in it.
OGW
> tleric...@yahoo.com (OGW) wrote in message news:<70042a11.0402...@posting.google.com>...
> > I think anyone who pays for D20 products should have their head
> > buying D&D manuals and supplemental gaming world info when you can get
> > it all for free.
> >
> > WOTC aka Hasbro has almost all the core D&D gaming information located
> > on their web site. Its free to download and print out on your
> > computer.
> >
> > Also their are hundreds, maybe even thousands of gaming worlds online
> > that are extremely detailed and available for free.
> >
> > For instance www.opengamingworld.com has fantastically detailed gaming
> > available for free. All you have to do is download the player
> > handbook and you're off to the races!
> >
> > You are crazy if you pay for it!
>
> Hold on a minute, Einstein. IIRC, the SRD doesn't have any information
> on XP. You have to get the DMG to get that information. How do you
> expect people to play if they don't have this vital information?
>
>
> Ralph Glatt
>
> Member, Old Farts Club
You are correct the SRD's are missing some vital information. Things
like XP and certain monsters like the Beholder are not there. There
is just enough missing so that people feel compeled to purchase new
PHB, DMG and MM every couple of years. If anyone thinks that D&D 3.5
is nothing more than a marketing ploy they need to rethink.
Here's what I mean when I say "that the revolution in the industry
should be towards open gaming". The world is filled with great
writers and potential game designers. The advent of the internet
allows us to come to together like never before to create open and
free gaming material. Linux in the O/S world is a great example of
this. I mean to shoot down the idea is to dismiss the very tool that
allows you read this message. The internet is a shared resource,
which nobody owns. But people still make money from. Together gaming
entusiasts could create an open gaming RPG that is better than
anything on the market today. Just like the Linux code, some people
will package it and print it for people to purchase(i.e RedHat,
Mandrake). But the source open gaming documents would be free for all
to use. You wouldn't have to continually buy new copies of books,
unless you wanted to.
Its a vision of what could be... and will be.
WOTC was extremely smart in developing the SRD's in order to curd the
development of an Open Gaming RPG. But someday it will happen...
There are already hundreds of websites providing their own gaming
world free to people that want to download or read about it. Someday
someone will create a truly Open RPG its inevitable at this point!
Arian
Is there any reason I should? :-D
Arian
> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:53:07 +1100, Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com>
> carved upon a tablet of ether:
>
>>Fortunately for me, the same individual went to a book-signing just
>>after the release of DI, and got a copy for me as well as for himself.
>>"Arain", it says, in LMB's own hand. :-D
>
>
> She was over here for a Con last year. Of course, as always with Cons,
> I was out of town at the time.
I've never heard of her being here. Of course, if I became aware that
she'd been here since my conversion and I didn't know, I might feel
obliged to top myself. So continued ignorance is probably best.
Arian
> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:07:11 GMT, Wayne Shaw <sh...@caprica.com> carved
> upon a tablet of ether:
>
>
>>I'm trying to figure out if I never owned a copy of _Brothers in Arms_
>>and just borrowed it, or it's somewhere out in the Boxes. My wife
>>would like to read it...
>
>
> That used to be my favourite, though _A Civil Camapign_ is probably
> the one I like most, followed by _Komarr_.
Likewise. And Shards, I really like Shards.
No 33 Secretary
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> No 33 Secretary wrote:
>
>> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:bvtedv$1071mi$1@ID-
>> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>
>>
>>>Rupert Boleyn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:58:19 +1100, Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com>
>>>>carved upon a tablet of ether:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A certain SoCal resident converted me in May '99 by sending me
>>>>>copies of _Cordelia's Honor_ and _Young Miles_. I have to order new
>>>>>releases from Sydney; they don't find their way up here otherwise.
>>>>>:-/
>>>>
>>>>Recently a local secondhand bookstore started direct importing new
>>>>SF and fantasy from the US. This is proving to be very hard on my
>>>>wallet. We got _Diplomatic Immunity_ very shortly after the US
>>>>stores did. :)
>>>
>>>Fortunately for me, the same individual went to a book-signing just
>>>after the release of DI, and got a copy for me as well as for
>>>himself. "Arain", it says, in LMB's own hand. :-D
>>
>> And you'll never let me forget it, will you?
>
> Is there any reason I should? :-D
>
Only if Bujold will be doing another signing hereabouts. We wouldn't want
to start a tradition, you know. :)
Arian
> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
> news:bvul4h$10kpdc$4...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:bvtedv$1071mi$1@ID-
>>>92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>>>Rupert Boleyn wrote:
>>>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:58:19 +1100, Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>carved upon a tablet of ether:
>>>>>
>>>>>>A certain SoCal resident converted me in May '99 by sending me
>>>>>>copies of _Cordelia's Honor_ and _Young Miles_. I have to order new
>>>>>>releases from Sydney; they don't find their way up here otherwise.
>>>>>>:-/
>>>>>
>>>>>Recently a local secondhand bookstore started direct importing new
>>>>>SF and fantasy from the US. This is proving to be very hard on my
>>>>>wallet. We got _Diplomatic Immunity_ very shortly after the US
>>>>>stores did. :)
>>>>
>>>>Fortunately for me, the same individual went to a book-signing just
>>>>after the release of DI, and got a copy for me as well as for
>>>>himself. "Arain", it says, in LMB's own hand. :-D
>>>
>>>And you'll never let me forget it, will you?
>>
>>Is there any reason I should? :-D
>
> Only if Bujold will be doing another signing hereabouts. We wouldn't want
> to start a tradition, you know. :)
Hey, if both books were signed the same way, at least they'd match.
No 33 Secretary
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So, is that an instruction?
Bryan J. Maloney
thusnews:Xns9486545ECE3E1ta...@216.168.3.50:
> "Bryan J. Maloney" <cavag...@sbcglobal.nmungemungt> wrote in
> news:Xns9485EF52D9A3Cd...@206.141.193.32:
>
>> tleric...@yahoo.com (OGW) nattered on
>> thusnews:70042a11.04020...@posting.google.com:
>>
>>
>>> Terry Austin it seems you get into these childish cat fights all the
>>> time.
>>
>> I have a puppy. The puppy thinks she is so tough when she "wrestles"
>> with me...
>>
> Does she hump your leg, too?
>
No, I still save that privilige for you.
Wayne Shaw
<rbo...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:07:11 GMT, Wayne Shaw <sh...@caprica.com> carved
>upon a tablet of ether:
>
>> I'm trying to figure out if I never owned a copy of _Brothers in Arms_
>> and just borrowed it, or it's somewhere out in the Boxes. My wife
>> would like to read it...
>
>That used to be my favourite, though _A Civil Camapign_ is probably
>the one I like most, followed by _Komarr_.
I just finished reading _A Civil Campaign_ myself; my second favorite
is probably _Memory_.
No 33 Secretary
Heh. Trying to troll the master, eh?
Bryan J. Maloney
With you, it is banter. Trolling presumes sufficient stupidity to bite.
Terry Austin
92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Rupert Boleyn wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:07:11 GMT, Wayne Shaw <sh...@caprica.com> carved
>> upon a tablet of ether:
>>
>>
>>>I'm trying to figure out if I never owned a copy of _Brothers in Arms_
>>>and just borrowed it, or it's somewhere out in the Boxes. My wife
>>>would like to read it...
>>
>>
>> That used to be my favourite, though _A Civil Camapign_ is probably
>> the one I like most, followed by _Komarr_.
>
> Likewise. And Shards, I really like Shards.
>
But then, I predicted you would.
--
Terry Austin
tau...@hyperbooks.com
http://www.hyperbooks.com/
Roleplaying Stuff
Terry Austin
Or sufficient stupity to think someone else will bite, but I'll give you
the benefit of the doubt. For now.
Sea Wasp
> "Bryan J. Maloney" <cavag...@sbcglobal.nmungemungt> wrote in
> news:Xns9486CC1B63E93d...@206.141.193.32:
>>
>>With you, it is banter. Trolling presumes sufficient stupidity to bite.
>>
>
> Or sufficient stupity to think someone else will bite, but I'll give you
> the benefit of the doubt. For now.
>
Both of you bite. And suck. And are probably enjoying it. So get a
room! ;)
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/seawasp/
Sir Bob
> > Which, of course, costs more than simply buying the book, and you end up
> > with several hundred loose sheets of paper, which means frequent reprints,
> > which drives the price up even more.
> >
> > Which might explain why people buy books.
>
> Yah! Printing 300-400 pages costs more than buying a couple of
> books???!!!!??? Are you crazy?!? You can print 400 pages for $20.00
> at a cost of .05 cents per sheet.
<snip>
Five cents a sheet? After accounting for paper, ink/toner, wear and
tear on your printer, and the value of your *time*, you're probably
looking at a bit more than that - and all you have at that point is a
bunch of loose sheets. Add the cost of a binder to keep them in (and
the additional time required to hole-punch four hundred pages) or the
cost of having it all spiral-bound, and your average cost per page
goes up even more. And even then, what you've got is markedly
inferior to the actual books (no page references, no index, poor
layout, etc.).
- Sir Bob.
No 33 Secretary
> Terry Austin wrote:
>> "Bryan J. Maloney" <cavag...@sbcglobal.nmungemungt> wrote in
>> news:Xns9486CC1B63E93d...@206.141.193.32:
>
>>>
>>>With you, it is banter. Trolling presumes sufficient stupidity to
>>>bite.
>>>
>>
>> Or sufficient stupity to think someone else will bite, but I'll give
>> you the benefit of the doubt. For now.
>>
>
> Both of you bite. And suck. And are probably enjoying it. So get a
> room! ;)
>
You are seriously out of practice, son.
Ralph Glatt
> You wouldn't have to continually buy new copies of books,
> unless you wanted to.
Um, hello? It's that way now. Always was. I paid for my books back in
the eighties, and the Game Nazis have never beat down my door and held
a gun to my head for not playing the latest editon. I may get teased
by some of the guys here for clinging to first edition, but they
respect my decision, just as I respect their decision to plonk down
the extra bucks to buy the new stuff.
You don't want to buy stuff from WOTC, and that's fine. The people
here do. If you want them to respect your decision, you should learn
to respect theirs.
Sea Wasp
> Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> wrote in news:402388BE...@wizvax.net:
>
>
>>Terry Austin wrote:
>>
>>>"Bryan J. Maloney" <cavag...@sbcglobal.nmungemungt> wrote in
>>>news:Xns9486CC1B63E93d...@206.141.193.32:
>>
>>>>With you, it is banter. Trolling presumes sufficient stupidity to
>>>>bite.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Or sufficient stupity to think someone else will bite, but I'll give
>>>you the benefit of the doubt. For now.
>>>
>>
>> Both of you bite. And suck. And are probably enjoying it. So get a
>>room! ;)
>>
>
> You are seriously out of practice, son.
>
Look, kid, if I was serious, I'd be playing with someone less
experienced than you, because they're a lot more fun. That whole
innocence thing. You're so experienced you're too easy.
Bryan J. Maloney
thusnews:4024748B...@wizvax.net:
> Look, kid, if I was serious, I'd be playing with someone less
> experienced than you, because they're a lot more fun. That whole
> innocence thing. You're so experienced you're too easy.
TPO left the 25 maximum cap on AD&D stats, and I'm responsible! MWAH-
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Terry Austin
> No 33 Secretary wrote:
>> Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> wrote in news:402388BE...@wizvax.net:
>>
>>
>>>Terry Austin wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Bryan J. Maloney" <cavag...@sbcglobal.nmungemungt> wrote in
>>>>news:Xns9486CC1B63E93d...@206.141.193.32:
>>>
>>>>>With you, it is banter. Trolling presumes sufficient stupidity to
>>>>>bite.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Or sufficient stupity to think someone else will bite, but I'll give
>>>>you the benefit of the doubt. For now.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Both of you bite. And suck. And are probably enjoying it. So get a
>>>room! ;)
>>>
>>
>> You are seriously out of practice, son.
>>
>
> Look, kid, if I was serious, I'd be playing with someone less
> experienced than you, because they're a lot more fun.
There is that.
> That whole
> innocence thing. You're so experienced you're too easy.
>
Heh. More troll sex. At this rate, there will be the pitter-patter of
little troll feet all over Usenet next week.
First Prophet of Kaos
<tau...@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
>Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> wrote in news:4024748B...@wizvax.net:
>> Look, kid, if I was serious, I'd be playing with someone less
>> experienced than you, because they're a lot more fun.
>
>There is that.
>
>> That whole
>> innocence thing. You're so experienced you're too easy.
>>
>Heh. More troll sex. At this rate, there will be the pitter-patter of
>little troll feet all over Usenet next week.
That traditionally comes in September.
--
When in doubt, RTFM.
Terry Austin
news:8r4920tk5n9s8p5te...@4ax.com:
There's a reason that the day AOL connected to the internet is referred to
as Eternal September.
Arian
> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:bvul4m$10kpdc$7@ID-
> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>
>>Rupert Boleyn wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:07:11 GMT, Wayne Shaw <sh...@caprica.com> carved
>>>upon a tablet of ether:
>>>
>>>>I'm trying to figure out if I never owned a copy of _Brothers in Arms_
>>>>and just borrowed it, or it's somewhere out in the Boxes. My wife
>>>>would like to read it...
>>>
>>>
>>>That used to be my favourite, though _A Civil Camapign_ is probably
>>>the one I like most, followed by _Komarr_.
>>
>>Likewise. And Shards, I really like Shards.
>
> But then, I predicted you would.
You did; and as we know, you're always right, even when you're wrong.
Arian
> I still keep a copy of one or two of 'em around just to loan out.
I saw a copy of "Curse of Chalion" in Dymocks recently - reckon I'll go
back there and get it, just for recruiting purposes.
Arian
> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
> news:bvuluk$11bdme$2...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>Hey, if both books were signed the same way, at least they'd match.
>
> So, is that an instruction?
I can safely say it is. Your inborn aversion to being Instructed will
make sure you won't do it.
Terry Austin
92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
> No 33 Secretary wrote:
>
>> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>> news:bvuluk$11bdme$2...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>>>Hey, if both books were signed the same way, at least they'd match.
>>
>> So, is that an instruction?
>
> I can safely say it is. Your inborn aversion to being Instructed will
> make sure you won't do it.
>
Damn, you're on to me. On the other hand, now that you've said that out
loud, does it still count?
Terry Austin
92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Terry Austin wrote:
>
>> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:bvul4m$10kpdc$7@ID-
>> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>
>>
>>>Rupert Boleyn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:07:11 GMT, Wayne Shaw <sh...@caprica.com> carved
>>>>upon a tablet of ether:
>>>>
>>>>>I'm trying to figure out if I never owned a copy of _Brothers in Arms_
>>>>>and just borrowed it, or it's somewhere out in the Boxes. My wife
>>>>>would like to read it...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That used to be my favourite, though _A Civil Camapign_ is probably
>>>>the one I like most, followed by _Komarr_.
>>>
>>>Likewise. And Shards, I really like Shards.
>>
>> But then, I predicted you would.
>
> You did; and as we know, you're always right, even when you're wrong.
>
Especially when I'm wrong. But you knew that.
Got Paladin of Souls yesterday, finally, and the short collection with the
Winterfair story. Haven't started reading yet, though.
Terry Austin
92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
> No 33 Secretary wrote:
>
>> I still keep a copy of one or two of 'em around just to loan out.
>
> I saw a copy of "Curse of Chalion" in Dymocks recently - reckon I'll go
> back there and get it, just for recruiting purposes.
>
Ah, I now have minions, peddling wares for me to unsuspecting innocents.
Rupert Boleyn
carved upon a tablet of ether:
> Rupert Boleyn wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:07:11 GMT, Wayne Shaw <sh...@caprica.com> carved
> > upon a tablet of ether:
> >
> >
> >>I'm trying to figure out if I never owned a copy of _Brothers in Arms_
> >>and just borrowed it, or it's somewhere out in the Boxes. My wife
> >>would like to read it...
> >
> >
> > That used to be my favourite, though _A Civil Camapign_ is probably
> > the one I like most, followed by _Komarr_.
>
> Likewise. And Shards, I really like Shards.
So do I, though when I last re-read it the difference in polish lept
out at me. I also rather like _Ethan of Athos_, now that I think about
it. Actually, I like just about all of them very much, though for some
reason I've only read _Mirror Dance_ and _Memory_ once each.
--
Rupert Boleyn <rbo...@paradise.net.nz>
"Just because the truth will set you free doesn't mean the truth itself
should be free."
Rupert Boleyn
upon a tablet of ether:
> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 09:46:10 +1300, Rupert Boleyn
> <rbo...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:07:11 GMT, Wayne Shaw <sh...@caprica.com> carved
> >upon a tablet of ether:
> >
> >> I'm trying to figure out if I never owned a copy of _Brothers in Arms_
> >> and just borrowed it, or it's somewhere out in the Boxes. My wife
> >> would like to read it...
> >
> >That used to be my favourite, though _A Civil Camapign_ is probably
> >the one I like most, followed by _Komarr_.
>
> I just finished reading _A Civil Campaign_ myself; my second favorite
> is probably _Memory_.
For some reason I've only read _Memory_ once, and I wasn't that taken
with it.
Arian
> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c04br6$12ojdk$1@ID-
> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>Terry Austin wrote:
>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:bvul4m$10kpdc$7@ID-
>>>92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>>
>>>>Shards, I really like Shards.
>>>
>>>But then, I predicted you would.
>>
>>You did; and as we know, you're always right, even when you're wrong.
>
> Especially when I'm wrong. But you knew that.
That I did.
> Got Paladin of Souls yesterday, finally, and the short collection with the
> Winterfair story. Haven't started reading yet, though.
I was supposed to be getting a copy of "Paladin" as a birthday present,
but it seems to have got lost in the post somewhere. :-/
No-one's threatened to send me "Irresistible Forces" yet.
Arian
> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c04brd$12ojdk$3@ID-
> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>
>>No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>>news:bvuluk$11bdme$2...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>
>>>>Hey, if both books were signed the same way, at least they'd match.
>>>
>>>So, is that an instruction?
>>
>>I can safely say it is. Your inborn aversion to being Instructed will
>>make sure you won't do it.
>>
>
> Damn, you're on to me. On the other hand, now that you've said that out
> loud, does it still count?
We'll have to wait till the next time there's a book-signing, and see.
Arian
> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c04brb$12ojdk$2@ID-
> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>
>>No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>
>>>I still keep a copy of one or two of 'em around just to loan out.
>>
>>I saw a copy of "Curse of Chalion" in Dymocks recently - reckon I'll go
>>back there and get it, just for recruiting purposes.
>
> Ah, I now have minions, peddling wares for me to unsuspecting innocents.
For values of "now" that began in May 1999, yes, you do.
Terry Austin
news:c05ank$12uo2c$2...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Terry Austin wrote:
>
>> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c04br6$12ojdk$1@ID-
>> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>>Terry Austin wrote:
>>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:bvul4m$10kpdc$7@ID-
>>>>92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>>>
>>>>>Shards, I really like Shards.
>>>>
>>>>But then, I predicted you would.
>>>
>>>You did; and as we know, you're always right, even when you're wrong.
>>
>> Especially when I'm wrong. But you knew that.
>
> That I did.
>
>> Got Paladin of Souls yesterday, finally, and the short collection
>> with the Winterfair story. Haven't started reading yet, though.
>
> I was supposed to be getting a copy of "Paladin" as a birthday
> present, but it seems to have got lost in the post somewhere. :-/
>
> No-one's threatened to send me "Irresistible Forces" yet.
>
Is that a none too subtle hint?
Terry Austin
92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Terry Austin wrote:
>
>> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c04brd$12ojdk$3@ID-
>> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>
>>
>>>No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>>>news:bvuluk$11bdme$2...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>>
>>>>>Hey, if both books were signed the same way, at least they'd match.
>>>>
>>>>So, is that an instruction?
>>>
>>>I can safely say it is. Your inborn aversion to being Instructed will
>>>make sure you won't do it.
>>>
>>
>> Damn, you're on to me. On the other hand, now that you've said that out
>> loud, does it still count?
>
> We'll have to wait till the next time there's a book-signing, and see.
>
By that time, we'll both likely have forgotten.
Arian
> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c05b1e$13g0n5$1@ID-
> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>Terry Austin wrote:
>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c04brd$12ojdk$3@ID-
>>>92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>>>No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>>>>news:bvuluk$11bdme$2...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>>>
>>>>>>Hey, if both books were signed the same way, at least they'd match.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, is that an instruction?
>>>>
>>>>I can safely say it is. Your inborn aversion to being Instructed will
>>>>make sure you won't do it.
>>>
>>>Damn, you're on to me. On the other hand, now that you've said that out
>>>loud, does it still count?
>>
>>We'll have to wait till the next time there's a book-signing, and see.
>
> By that time, we'll both likely have forgotten.
You can but hope. Or I can. One of us, anyway.
Arian
> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
> news:c05ank$12uo2c$2...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>I was supposed to be getting a copy of "Paladin" as a birthday
>>present, but it seems to have got lost in the post somewhere. :-/
>>
>>No-one's threatened to send me "Irresistible Forces" yet.
>
> Is that a none too subtle hint?
No. :-D I have several Alternative Sources; I need not rely on my first
pusher any longer.
Terry Austin
92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Terry Austin wrote:
>
>> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>> news:c05ank$12uo2c$2...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>>>I was supposed to be getting a copy of "Paladin" as a birthday
>>>present, but it seems to have got lost in the post somewhere. :-/
>>>
>>>No-one's threatened to send me "Irresistible Forces" yet.
>>
>> Is that a none too subtle hint?
>
> No. :-D I have several Alternative Sources; I need not rely on my first
> pusher any longer.
>
I have competition, eh?
Terry Austin
news:c06ksv$12umm7$1...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Terry Austin wrote:
>
>> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c05b1e$13g0n5$1@ID-
>> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>>Terry Austin wrote:
>>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c04brd$12ojdk$3@ID-
>>>>92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>>>>No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>>>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>news:bvuluk$11bdme$2...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey, if both books were signed the same way, at least they'd
>>>>>>>match.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, is that an instruction?
>>>>>
>>>>>I can safely say it is. Your inborn aversion to being Instructed
>>>>>will make sure you won't do it.
>>>>
>>>>Damn, you're on to me. On the other hand, now that you've said that
>>>>out loud, does it still count?
>>>
>>>We'll have to wait till the next time there's a book-signing, and
>>>see.
>>
>> By that time, we'll both likely have forgotten.
>
> You can but hope. Or I can. One of us, anyway.
>
You've been known to keep notes, however.
Arian
> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
> news:c06ksv$12umm7$1...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>>Terry Austin wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c05b1e$13g0n5$1@ID-
>>>92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>>>We'll have to wait till the next time there's a book-signing, and
>>>>see.
>>>
>>>By that time, we'll both likely have forgotten.
>>
>>You can but hope. Or I can. One of us, anyway.
>
> You've been known to keep notes, however.
Yes. I still have a copy of every post I've ever sent. Just call it my
secret weapon.
Terry Austin
92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Terry Austin wrote:
>
>> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>> news:c06ksv$12umm7$1...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>
>>>Terry Austin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c05b1e$13g0n5$1@ID-
>>>>92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>>>>>We'll have to wait till the next time there's a book-signing, and
>>>>>see.
>>>>
>>>>By that time, we'll both likely have forgotten.
>>>
>>>You can but hope. Or I can. One of us, anyway.
>>
>> You've been known to keep notes, however.
>
> Yes. I still have a copy of every post I've ever sent. Just call it my
> secret weapon.
>
That's a funny euphemism for "obsessive/compulsive behavior." :)
Arian
> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c0bo07$14j42o$1@ID-
> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>>I still have a copy of every post I've ever sent. Just call it my
>>secret weapon.
>
> That's a funny euphemism for "obsessive/compulsive behavior." :)
LOL, yeah, the demons are diversifying. :-)
Either that, or I'm too lazy to ever clear out my Sent folder.
Arian
> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c06kt2$12umm7$2@ID-
> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>
>>Terry Austin wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>>news:c05ank$12uo2c$2...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>
>>>>I was supposed to be getting a copy of "Paladin" as a birthday
>>>>present, but it seems to have got lost in the post somewhere. :-/
>>>>
>>>>No-one's threatened to send me "Irresistible Forces" yet.
>>>
>>>Is that a none too subtle hint?
>>
>>No. :-D I have several Alternative Sources; I need not rely on my first
>>pusher any longer.
>
> I have competition, eh?
Yup. A couple of my converts have money, along with a proper sense of
gratitude to the missionary.
(Metaphors are getting not only mixed but minced here; but I suppose you
could expect that in a conversation about drugs.)
No 33 Secretary
92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Terry Austin wrote:
>
>> Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:c06kt2$12umm7$2@ID-
>> 92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>
>>
>>>Terry Austin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Arian <h7zf...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>>>news:c05ank$12uo2c$2...@ID-92952.news.uni-berlin.de:
>>>
>>>>>I was supposed to be getting a copy of "Paladin" as a birthday
>>>>>present, but it seems to have got lost in the post somewhere. :-/
>>>>>
>>>>>No-one's threatened to send me "Irresistible Forces" yet.
>>>>
>>>>Is that a none too subtle hint?
>>>
>>>No. :-D I have several Alternative Sources; I need not rely on my first
>>>pusher any longer.
>>
>> I have competition, eh?
>
> Yup. A couple of my converts have money, along with a proper sense of
> gratitude to the missionary.
>
> (Metaphors are getting not only mixed but minced here; but I suppose you
> could expect that in a conversation about drugs.)
>
It would be difficult to avoid, I would think.
--
Terry Austin
tau...@hyperbooks.com
www.hyperbooks.com
Roleplaying Stuff
ag...@dragontree.com
>> Which, of course, costs more than simply buying the book, and you end up
>> with several hundred loose sheets of paper, which means frequent reprints,
>> which drives the price up even more.
>>
>> Which might explain why people buy books.
>
>Yah! Printing 300-400 pages costs more than buying a couple of
>books???!!!!??? Are you crazy?!? You can print 400 pages for $20.00
>at a cost of .05 cents per sheet. I'm sure you can print them for
>much less if you wanted.
Very approximately, about 6,000 sheets of paper can be bought for about
$25. That's a carton of iirc 12 reams, 500 sheets to the ream.
If you're refilling your own inkjet cartridges from approx. 8 oz bottles
of ink, and there's not a lot of dark art on the pages, ink isn't much
of an expense.
Getting the sheets punched for three-hole binder is pretty cheap too.
> Buying the PHB and DMG costs $50.00 + taxes.
> There's also nothing to stop a person from ever printing anything and
>keeping it all online for easy access.
Which could be very useful. Or, you can print out just whatever pages
you will need for the current game, and arrange them in the order you
will need them.
Graf
--
http://www.dragontree.com/frp.html
Arduin(R) Grimoires IV-VIII and World of Delos(R) supplements mailorder
Bradd W. Szonye
> On 2 Feb 2004 19:19:16 -0800, tleric...@yahoo.com (OGW) wrote:
>
>>> Which, of course, costs more than simply buying the book, and you end up
>>> with several hundred loose sheets of paper, which means frequent reprints,
>>> which drives the price up even more.
>>>
>>> Which might explain why people buy books.
>>
>>Yah! Printing 300-400 pages costs more than buying a couple of
>>books???!!!!??? Are you crazy?!? You can print 400 pages for $20.00
>>at a cost of .05 cents per sheet. I'm sure you can print them for
>>much less if you wanted.
>
> Very approximately, about 6,000 sheets of paper can be bought for about
> $25. That's a carton of iirc 12 reams, 500 sheets to the ream.
>
> If you're refilling your own inkjet cartridges from approx. 8 oz bottles
> of ink, and there's not a lot of dark art on the pages, ink isn't much
> of an expense.
>
> Getting the sheets punched for three-hole binder is pretty cheap too.
It still takes a lot of time, and it still makes for a crappy book.
--
Bradd W. Szonye
http://www.szonye.com/bradd
ag...@dragontree.com
<bradd...@szonye.com> wrote:
>ag...@dragontree.com <ag...@dragontree.com> wrote:
>> On 2 Feb 2004 19:19:16 -0800, tleric...@yahoo.com (OGW) wrote:
/snip/
>>>You can print 400 pages for $20.00
>>>at a cost of .05 cents per sheet. I'm sure you can print them for
>>>much less if you wanted.
>>
>> Very approximately, about 6,000 sheets of paper can be bought for about
>> $25. That's a carton of iirc 12 reams, 500 sheets to the ream.
>>
>> If you're refilling your own inkjet cartridges from approx. 8 oz bottles
>> of ink, and there's not a lot of dark art on the pages, ink isn't much
>> of an expense.
>>
>> Getting the sheets punched for three-hole binder is pretty cheap too.
>
>It still takes a lot of time, and it still makes for a crappy book.
Depends on how you use such books and how often you buy new ones.
Someone who is always modifying the system to his own purpose and
marking up and putting tabs on the readymade books, might like something
he could customize more easily.
Hong Ooi
wrote:
>First Prophet of Kaos <ka...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>news:8r4920tk5n9s8p5te...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 06:42:17 -0000, Terry Austin
>> <tau...@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> wrote in news:4024748B...@wizvax.net:
>>>> Look, kid, if I was serious, I'd be playing with someone less
>>>> experienced than you, because they're a lot more fun.
>>>
>>>There is that.
>>>
>>>> That whole
>>>> innocence thing. You're so experienced you're too easy.
>>>>
>>>Heh. More troll sex. At this rate, there will be the pitter-patter of
>>>little troll feet all over Usenet next week.
>>
>> That traditionally comes in September.
>>
>There's a reason that the day AOL connected to the internet is referred to
>as Eternal September.
Don't mind me, I'm just testing the indentation level now that I have the
spiffy new version of Agent.
--
Hong Ooi | "You're not funny, not biting,
ho...@zipworld.com.au | you're simply making noise"
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/ | -- M_C
Sydney, Australia |