TSR addressing concerns regarding the Hasbro buyout!!!
A'koss
ng yet. This was taken from the Vault Network site and it alieviates *much*
:-) of the concern (at least in the short term) as to the effects of the
buyout on D&D.
Read the last 5 paragraphs as to how it pertains to D&D in particular.
Wizards Of The Coast On Acquisition By Hasbro
Following the announcement earlier today that toymaker Hasbro will be
acquiring Wizards of the Coast, the following statement has been posted on
the latter's website:
Sale to Hasbro a "Cause for Celebration," CEO tells Wizards of the Coast
Staff
A cheerful Peter Adkison, President and CEO of Wizards of the Coast,
announced the upcoming acquisition to employees as "a cause for
celebration."
"I think it's a very good fit," he said in the meeting, held Thursday at 10
a.m. Pacific Standard Time. "The more we talked with Hasbro, the more we
knew it would be."
With the sale to Hasbro, Wizards of the Coast becomes a large division in
the toy giant's growing game-publishing presence, joining Hasbro Interactive
and the firm's in-house game division, which also includes the landmark
hobby game manufacturer Avalon Hill. The group will retain the Wizards of
the Coast name following the acquisition.
"Hasbro is becoming more and more a game company, even though its roots are
as a toy company," Peter said. "Toys and games are overlapping more and more
as time goes on. Hasbro's management sees this acquisition as an opportunity
to have more people in the creative and management ranks that are gamers."
As a show of his confidence in Wizards' new parent company, Peter has signed
a five-year contract to continue to manage the firm he started in 1990. He
plans to divide his time between the Wizards corporate headquarters outside
Seattle, Wash., and Hasbro's headquarters in Pawtucket, Rhode Island.
The sale of the company, which has been negotiated and signed by both
parties, becomes final following a Wizards of the Coast shareholders meeting
scheduled for Sept. 30. "This is something that our shareholders have
already approved," Peter said.
He said his employees and customers should expect to see very few changes
under the new ownership. "Changes will happen, but overall this is a very
low-impact acquisition," he said, stressing that Wizards customers will not
see any changes in the types of products the company publishes or in the way
it does business.
As part of the move under the Hasbro umbrella, the Online Media team that
manages www.wizards.com and the e-commerce team that runs the Wizards online
store, will become part of Hasbro's new online department, which is
developing a new site called games.com.
In addition WOTC VP Ryan Dancey sent out a further note which reads in part
as follows:
Greetings!
This morning, Hasbro announced it's intent to buy Wizards of the Coast, and
Wizards announced that the shareholders have voted in favor of the
acquisition.
This raises, I am sure, a number of questions regarding the status of D&D.
First, let me reassure everyone that the deal will not have any direct
affect on the D&D business.
If anything, Hasbro's access to broad distribution will help us bring new
people in to the hobby in the coming years.
Wizards of the Coast will be run as a separate business unit. Peter is
staying on to manage the company, and all the brand, tabletop RPG business
managers, and the R&D staff are staying as well. Nobody has been fired.
Nobody's managers have been changed/replaced by Hasbro.
Hasbro has no intentions of altering our current strategies for D&D. They
understand and accept the unique nature of the property, including its more
"adult" aspects, including language, tone and content. (In other words, the
fiends from the outer planes will still be called Demons and Devils!)
The tabletop RPG category has been returned to substantial profitability
this year. As a result, no one should have concerns that it the business
will be terminated or sold due to its size or value. Within WotC, D&D and
the other RPGs we produce are held in very high esteem both as a component
of our success, and due to the rewarding entertainment they provide.
Okay guys, take a deep breath and relax. ;)
A'koss!
- And hey, maybe we'll even see some timely releases up here in Canada...
A'koss
what's going on.
We're still making D&D.
We're still releasing 3e in August.
It will still have demons and devils.
I still report to Peter and Vince.
Peter still wants to make D&D the most successful RPG in the world.
Nobody from Hasbro has their fingers in the product plans. Nobody from
Hasbro is interested in the "adult" content of our gaming materials.
The terms of this deal are very favorable to WotC. We get a big partner in
the big business of the mass market. We get overseas manufacturing and
distribution options it would have taken us a decade or more to develop. We
get access to some of the most sophisticated market research and customer
profiling data on game players in the world. And a bunch of money.
My prediction is that everything that happens from here on out that people
like will be perceived by the Chicken Little crowd as a brief pause before
the disaster, and every setback or change in direction will be perceived by
that group as evidence of the heavy hand of Hasbro in our affairs.
Me; I'm just going to keep publishing the game we all love so much, to the
absolute best of my ability.
Ryan
A'koss!
A'koss
TSRs site that I thought might interest the ng. ;)
> Who is going to be in creative charge of Wizards (and TSR)?
Peter. And me. And Joel Mick. And Rick Arons. And Bill Slavicsek. And
Richard Garfield. And Jim Lin. And Skaff Elias. And Bill Rose.
All the usual suspects.
> Has
> Peter and the rest just sold out, closed their offices, locked the
> doors, and handed their keys to a Hasbro exec?
Peter, and others, have signed five year deals to manage the company.
They're not going anywhere.
> What kind of ideas has Hasbro put forth with for the RPG lines?
None. They don't have any. "Role playing" at Hasbro means "selling plastic
swords and cap guns to little kids so they can dress up as knights and
cowboys". Really - I'm serious. They could care less about our
sophisticated little niche hobby.
> Is Hasbro going to be a "silent owner," or do we need to begin looking
> for another game?
I hope they're not silent. I hope they tell us things they know about the
consumer mindset, so we can make our products better. I hope they assist us
in our marketing, so we'll sell more of them. I hope they come in here and
firehose our technological infrastructure so we get a world-class enterprise
computing solution. I hope we get referrals from other Hasbro units of
people with a passion for our business who want to help us succeed, and I
hope we hear invitations from other Hasbro units asking us for our input and
suggestions, the benefit of our unique perspectives.
God, if they were silent, think of the opportunities we'd all be missing!
For future reference, any time >anyone< has these kinds of questions and
isn't getting information fast enough, you can always write me:
dan...@wizards.com. I'm listening!
Ryan
A'koss!
Knifenu
" We get access to some of the most sophisticated market research and customer
profiling data on game players in the world."
This is the scary part.
Knifenu
follow the yellow brick road.
MessageBox
Edition idea anyway. Sounds like the offical death trumpet for AD&D. The
really cool stuff is long gone ... might as well snuggle up close to one of
those stupid yellow Pokemon dog look'n thingies. Warm and cozy Pokemon ...
just what D&D fans are looking for. Bet you G. Gygax is turning over in his
hammock at this very moment.
and BTW ...
"Hey Hasbro! Keep your hotels of my Boardwalk!"
Patrick M. Berry
> Ahh to hell with it! WotC already killed the game with this moronic 3rd
> Edition idea anyway. Sounds like the offical death trumpet for AD&D. The
> really cool stuff is long gone ... might as well snuggle up close to one of
> those stupid yellow Pokemon dog look'n thingies. Warm and cozy Pokemon ...
> just what D&D fans are looking for. Bet you G. Gygax is turning over in his
> hammock at this very moment.
It's really sad, the way the quality of trolls in this newsgroup is going
downhill so fast. This one wouldn't fool the greenest newbie who ever lived.
MessageBox
Eyal Weinstock
> That's a little tongue in cheek title; but it is pretty much a summary of
> what's going on.
>
> We're still making D&D.
>
> We're still releasing 3e in August.
>
> It will still have demons and devils.
>
> I still report to Peter and Vince.
>
> Peter still wants to make D&D the most successful RPG in the world.
>
> Nobody from Hasbro has their fingers in the product plans. Nobody from
> Hasbro is interested in the "adult" content of our gaming materials.
>
> The terms of this deal are very favorable to WotC. We get a big partner in
> the big business of the mass market. We get overseas manufacturing and
> distribution options it would have taken us a decade or more to develop. We
> get access to some of the most sophisticated market research and customer
> profiling data on game players in the world. And a bunch of money.
>
> My prediction is that everything that happens from here on out that people
> like will be perceived by the Chicken Little crowd as a brief pause before
> the disaster, and every setback or change in direction will be perceived by
> that group as evidence of the heavy hand of Hasbro in our affairs.
>
> Me; I'm just going to keep publishing the game we all love so much, to the
> absolute best of my ability.
>
> Ryan
>
> A'koss!
Does that mean they will sell 3e products in Israel too?
--
"Work? Why? I summoned your demon to do it!
...Of course I had to erase the pentagram!
What do you think I am, an idiot?"
"Don't steal. The government doesn't like
competition."
A'koss
Eyal Weinstock <eyal...@netvision.net.il> wrote in message
news:37D941D8...@netvision.net.il...
> Does that mean they will sell 3e products in Israel too?
He made a point of saying that Hasbro will certainly help them in the
international market, but whether or not that means Isreal... Why not email
Ryan and find out?
A'koss!
db...@tampatrib.com
messa...@aol.commons (MessageBox) wrote:
> Sounds like the offical death trumpet for AD&D.
Evidence: zero.
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generic_dude
kni...@aol.com (Knifenu) wrote:
> <snip>
> " We get access to some of the most sophisticated market research and
customer
> profiling data on game players in the world."
>
> This is the scary part.
I agree. My trepidation about this whole Hasbro buyout isn't
because I think Hasbro has malice aforethought or is going to
consciously subvert, undermine, or dismantle Dungeons and Dragons.
My fear is a big corporation like Hasbro just can't help
being...well, a big corporation. My fear is that despite what may well
be noble intentions on Hasbro's part, Hasbro will eventually end up
micromanaging WotC and its product line...all in the guise of "market
research" and "standards and practices" and whatnot.
Or Hasbro may just leave well enough alone. Only time will tell.
I suggest vigilance--and constructive feedback and advice--on the part
of the D&D-playing community. I will say that the post that started
this thread does make me less apprehensive than I was a day ago when I
read the news on the acquisition on MSNBC. Let us hope that Hasbro
makes good on its pledges.
generic_dude
Auntyr Daerevagha (Jon)
> Ahh to hell with it! WotC already killed the game with this moronic 3rd
> Edition idea anyway. Sounds like the offical death trumpet for AD&D. The
> really cool stuff is long gone ... might as well snuggle up close to one of
> those stupid yellow Pokemon dog look'n thingies. Warm and cozy Pokemon ...
> just what D&D fans are looking for. Bet you G. Gygax is turning over in his
> hammock at this very moment.
>
PIKA PIKA [[zzzzap!]] (10d8 electrical damage)
PSY YIY YIY! [[thud]] (psyduk trips and falls on you pinning you to the ground)
ODD-ISH! [[little bitty bell tinglys]] (fall asleep)
>
> and BTW ...
>
> "Hey Hasbro! Keep your hotels of my Boardwalk!"
Sorry, you owe me rent! You landed on my Baltic Ave. with a hotel, Thats 500
dollars!
--
Auntyr Daerevagha--Gold dragon
(Wise Young Gold) DC2.D Gm A- L- W T Pfhltw Bf/"chlorine" Fm- R+
"Mr. Dragon! Mr. Dragon! Will you test these dragonbreath proof suits for us?"
Assorted Gnomes' Last Words
Eric and Kara Noah
from producing products that no one wants. That was one of the problems
with the old TSR -- they'd make any old crap, just assuming folks would buy
it. Thus we got things like Dragon Dice and D&D related collectible card
games. Putting money into a product that won't sell will eventually kill a
game. Market research should be able to provide info on what consumers
want.
Eric Noah
generic_dude wrote:
--
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Home: http://www.mailbag.com/users/ericnoah/noahsark.htm
D&D 3E: http://www.mailbag.com/users/ericnoah/dandd3e.htm
Bryan J. Maloney
messa...@aol.commons (MessageBox) wrote:
> just what D&D fans are looking for. Bet you G. Gygax is turning over in his
> hammock at this very moment.
Dude, he's just counting the money that WoTC is giving him for working on
the 3rd edition with them.
Bryan J. Maloney
messa...@aol.commons (MessageBox) wrote:
> No troll here. Just a concerned gamer. I do have suspicions about you
Not a bad troll continuation. However, it's still transparent. Nobody
could really be the degree of moron you appear.
DM Drow1
about ADnD, this is the same thing they did with avalon hill. Glad I haven't
needed to buy anything from dnd for years. When/if they kill dnd because of
theyre largly christian buyers/owners fellowship at least my game wont be
affected.
Auntyr Daerevagha (Jon)
DM Drow1 wrote:
Actually, the only reason the Press release doesn't mention AD&D is because the
company bio of WotC includes maybe a line ( at most ) about AD&D It is
sometimes longer when the press releases are talking about AD&D specifically.
Sooo,
For your time I have enclosed a surprise!
CHAR CHAR!!! [[crackle, burn]] (10d6 Fireball damage!!!)
Duane VanderPol
<generi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> My fear is a big corporation like Hasbro just can't help
>being...well, a big corporation. My fear is that despite what may well
>be noble intentions on Hasbro's part, Hasbro will eventually end up
>micromanaging WotC and its product line...all in the guise of "market
>research" and "standards and practices" and whatnot.
>
> Or Hasbro may just leave well enough alone. Only time will tell.
>I suggest vigilance--and constructive feedback and advice--on the part
>of the D&D-playing community. I will say that the post that started
>this thread does make me less apprehensive than I was a day ago when I
>read the news on the acquisition on MSNBC. Let us hope that Hasbro
>makes good on its pledges.
You might also put some faith in Adkinson to spin off D&D as a
seperate business entity should the Suits come a-sliming. He DID just
get a big, sweaty wad of green paper from Hasbro and he HAS just made
D&D profitable again after Evil TSR Suit monsters ran it into the mud.
He's better than EGG - he's a gamer at heart and he's got lot's and
lot's of money...
Duane VanderPol
home.earthlink.net/~duanevp
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
- IBM chairman, 1945
Duane VanderPol
wrote:
>Ahh to hell with it! WotC already killed the game with this moronic 3rd
>Edition idea anyway. Sounds like the offical death trumpet for AD&D. The
>really cool stuff is long gone ... might as well snuggle up close to one of
>those stupid yellow Pokemon dog look'n thingies. Warm and cozy Pokemon ...
>just what D&D fans are looking for. Bet you G. Gygax is turning over in his
>hammock at this very moment.
You are a complete and total prat.
I RARELY stoop to this level but I'm in the mood and you're being...
well, a prat. Smeghead. Troll. Pick your epithet.
MicroZone
affect on the D&D business.
>>
So no plans for D&D: the Movie toys or D&D MicroMachines just yet? ;-)
Aleister Crowley's Cat
Maloney) wrote:
>In article <19990910033746...@ng-cc1.aol.com>,
>messa...@aol.commons (MessageBox) wrote:
>
>> just what D&D fans are looking for. Bet you G. Gygax is turning over in his
>> hammock at this very moment.
>
>Dude, he's just counting the money that WoTC is giving him for working on
>the 3rd edition with them.
It seems that Gygax and WOTC (at any rate) are reconciled, is this
true?
Regards,
Dave
WWW:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5885/index.html
(The Legions of the Black Moon - the unofficial Bal-Sagoth homepage)
====================================================================
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley
Jason Hatter
mango...@my-dejanews.com proclaimed
<37da2738...@news.freeserve.net>:
>It seems that Gygax and WOTC (at any rate) are reconciled, is this
>true?
Gygax has a contract to work with WOTC. Details aren't known, as far
as I'm aware...
--
Jason
http://www.concentric.net/~towonder/
Sailor Moon V at http://www.concentric.net/~towonder/fanfic.shtml
Sith Lords should learn to stay away from wells.
Patrick M. Berry
> On 10 Sep 1999 07:37:46 GMT, messa...@aol.commons (MessageBox)
> wrote:
>
> >Ahh to hell with it! WotC already killed the game with this moronic 3rd
> >Edition idea anyway. Sounds like the offical death trumpet for AD&D. The
> >really cool stuff is long gone ... might as well snuggle up close to one of
> >those stupid yellow Pokemon dog look'n thingies. Warm and cozy Pokemon ...
> >just what D&D fans are looking for. Bet you G. Gygax is turning over in his
> >hammock at this very moment.
>
> You are a complete and total prat.
>
> I RARELY stoop to this level but I'm in the mood and you're being...
> well, a prat. Smeghead. Troll. Pick your epithet.
Hey, MessageBox! Remember when you accused me of insulting you? As I
pointed out in an earlier post, I wasn't. Duane, however, *is* insulting
you. See the difference?
I have to say, though, that if I *were* to insult you, I couldn't do a
better job that Duane has.
Well, I suppose I might use a few *more* epithets from "Red Dwarf." Kryten's
defense of Rimmer in "Justice" would probably be the best place to start. :)
generic_dude
messa...@aol.commons (MessageBox) wrote:
> Ahh to hell with it! WotC already killed the game with this moronic
> 3rd Edition idea anyway. Sounds like the offical death trumpet for
> AD&D. The really cool stuff is long gone ... might as well snuggle up
> close to one of those stupid yellow Pokemon dog look'n thingies. Warm
> and cozy Pokemon ... just what D&D fans are looking for. Bet you G.
> Gygax is turning over in his hammock at this very moment.
I think declaring AD&D dead is a little premature. Judging from
some of the other messages posted here, Hasbro does not seem intent on
remaking D&D in its image...at least, not at this time. I'm wary of the
buyout's effects, but I'm not about to buy up all the D&D stuff I can
find and bury it in a bomb shelter somewhere. And, as others have
pointed out, the Hasbro buyout does have potential *positive* effects on
Dungeons and Dragons.
As far as Pokemon...well, to each his or her own. I think
Pokemon's kinda dumb, but then some people think D&D is a hobby for
geeks. So who am I to judge? In any event, like Ricky Martin, the
Pokemon fad will run its course, and D&D will be around long after
Pokemon is reduced to a question in a future edition of '90s Trivial
Pursuit.
MessageBox
>> >Edition idea anyway. Sounds like the offical death trumpet for AD&D. The
>> >really cool stuff is long gone ... might as well snuggle up close to one
>of
>> >those stupid yellow Pokemon dog look'n thingies. Warm and cozy Pokemon
>...
>> >just what D&D fans are looking for. Bet you G. Gygax is turning over in
>his
>> >hammock at this very moment.
>>
>>
>> I RARELY stoop to this level but I'm in the mood and you're being...
>> well, a prat. Smeghead. Troll. Pick your epithet.
>
>Hey, MessageBox! Remember when you accused me of insulting you? As I
>pointed out in an earlier post, I wasn't. Duane, however, *is* insulting
>you. See the difference?
Ok, ok .. you guys win. You're better at this than me. I was simply stating
my opinion, I really am sorry if my view points have offened anyone. However,
I really don't believe I'm alone. Unfortunately it seems that the open minded
spirit of gamers as I once knew it does not extend to this newsgroup (or at
least part of this thread). That's too bad, seems like some of you might be a
little too wrapped up in the "I'm always right, no one else could possibly see
things different" attitude.
To the folks who read this newsgroup to hear other opinions and state their
own, my appoligies for any unintentional part I might have played in what has
degraded into chicken-pecking.
To the folks who's only contribution to this discussion is by attacking the
view points of others instead of stating their own view points independantly,
I'll I say is ... get over yourselves.
Duane VanderPol
wrote:
>Ok, ok .. you guys win. You're better at this than me. I was simply stating
>my opinion, I really am sorry if my view points have offened anyone. However,
>I really don't believe I'm alone. Unfortunately it seems that the open minded
>spirit of gamers as I once knew it does not extend to this newsgroup (or at
>least part of this thread). That's too bad, seems like some of you might be a
>little too wrapped up in the "I'm always right, no one else could possibly see
>things different" attitude.
Nobody's stopping you. Opine away to your hearts content.
Just don't be surprised that if your opinions are worthless, your
arguments utterly baseless, and you state it all with the force of
great conviction that people jump on you for it.
>To the folks who read this newsgroup to hear other opinions and state their
>own, my appoligies for any unintentional part I might have played in what has
>degraded into chicken-pecking.
If you have an opinion that is contrary to what's being stated
be prepared to actually support it. If you come to argue - bring a
justifiable argument.
>To the folks who's only contribution to this discussion is by attacking the
>view points of others instead of stating their own view points independantly,
>I'll I say is ... get over yourselves.
Take a little of your own advice there. Your own post
consisted of baseless contentions so call it a learning experience and
skip to the next thread.
Sorry for calling you names but you really were asking for it.
MessageBox
>Just don't be surprised that if your opinions are worthless, your
>arguments utterly baseless, and you state it all with the force of
>great conviction that people jump on you for it.
Sure thing. I'll rember that next time I'm in Nazi Germany. Bye.
Patrick M. Berry
> Ok, ok .. you guys win. You're better at this than me. I was simply stating
> my opinion, I really am sorry if my view points have offened anyone. However,
> I really don't believe I'm alone. Unfortunately it seems that the open minded
> spirit of gamers as I once knew it does not extend to this newsgroup (or at
> least part of this thread). That's too bad, seems like some of you might be a
> little too wrapped up in the "I'm always right, no one else could possibly see
> things different" attitude.
You really don't get it, do you? Being open-minded means not prejudging
people or corporations. It means that you don't *assume* people are evil
or incompetent when you actually know nothing about their motives or abilities.
It means that you don't make up your mind prematurely about things that
haven't happened yet. It means that you reserve judgement, wait to see what
happens, and judge people and corporations by what they DO, not by what you
ASSUME they will do based on rumors, hearsay, stereotypes, and paranoia.
You are the one who is failing to be open-minded. Hasbro has done nothing
yet except issue a press release, and you have already tried, convicted, and
sentenced them in the courtroom of you own mind, for crimes that exist only
in your own imagination. Is this fair? Is it right, in any sense of the
word? Is it *rational*?
No one here is saying "I'm always right, no one else could possibly see
things different." If that's what you're hearing, then you aren't paying
attention. What we are saying to you is this: WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN, AND NEITHER DO YOU. We are telling YOU to be more-open-minded,
instead of screaming that the end is near based on nothing but a press
release.
> To the folks who read this newsgroup to hear other opinions and state their
> own, my appoligies for any unintentional part I might have played in what has
> degraded into chicken-pecking.
There is more to newsgroups than just *hearing* opinions. Rational minds
also weigh the merits of the opinions they hear, and judge them according
to their logic, consistency, and correlation with the facts. Some opinions,
from people who know what they're talking about and have considered the facts
carefully, are of great value. Other opinions are worth less, because they
are irrational, illogical, and in contradiction of the facts. This lack of
value should be recognized and pointed out.
All opinions are not equal.
> To the folks who's only contribution to this discussion is by attacking the
> view points of others instead of stating their own view points independantly,
> I'll I say is ... get over yourselves.
My viewpoint has been stated many times, but in case you missed it before,
here is it again: It is foolish and unproductive to jump to conclusions
about the Hasbro acquisition. We simply don't have enough information to be
sure we know what's going to happen. The only sensible thing to do is to wait
and see. Stay calm, maintain an open mind, and ignore the rumors and hearsay.
Focus on the facts.
Now, perhaps you think hysteria, paranoia, prejudice, and unreasoning panic
constitute a better approach. If so, please explain your reasons. If you
can't, then I for one will continue to dismiss the apocalytic predictions as
just a lot of hot air.
Patrick M. Berry
If you think that this comment will convince people to take you seriously,
you are sadly mistaken.
Goodbye, and good riddance.
Bryan J. Maloney
mango...@my-dejanews.com (Aleister Crowley's Cat) wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:39:49 -0400, bj...@cornell.edu (Bryan J.
> Maloney) wrote:
>
> >In article <19990910033746...@ng-cc1.aol.com>,
> >messa...@aol.commons (MessageBox) wrote:
> >
> >> just what D&D fans are looking for. Bet you G. Gygax is turning over
in his
> >> hammock at this very moment.
> >
> >Dude, he's just counting the money that WoTC is giving him for working on
> >the 3rd edition with them.
>
> It seems that Gygax and WOTC (at any rate) are reconciled, is this
> true?
Last GenCon, at the WoTC-sponsored "big announcement", EGG walked out on
the stage. To my mind, this was no bombshell, given other stuff I'd heard
over the past year. Here is the real bombshell. Onto the SAME stage,
while EGG was still on it, out came Dave Arneson!
Bryan J. Maloney
(DM Drow1) wrote:
> Funny that Hasbro mentions magic the gathering and pokemone but not a word
> about ADnD, this is the same thing they did with avalon hill. Glad I haven't
> needed to buy anything from dnd for years. When/if they kill dnd because of
> theyre largly christian buyers/owners fellowship at least my game wont be
> affected.
So, how long HAVE you been undergoing treatment for your paranoid delusions?
wro...@my-deja.com
judge us based on our words and (more importantly) our actions. The best
attitude is to wait and see what happens. At least the people who run
WoTC are talking. I talked to a few people at WoTC at GEN CON on the 3rd
Edition and found them to be willing to listen. Instead of crying that
the sky is falling, let's calm down. I was a bit concerned before
Adkison's on-line chat. It did address a lot of my concerns. I think
there are a lot better things we can do than complaining about problems
which may not exist. William Ronald, wro...@my-deja.com
Auntyr Daerevagha (Jon)
"Im open minded, and I have a hole in my head to prove it!"
--Adapted from Rocky and Bullwinkle
"Patrick M. Berry" wrote:
> In article <19990912054504...@ng-cs1.aol.com>, messa...@aol.commons (MessageBox) writes:
>
> > Ok, ok .. you guys win. You're better at this than me. I was simply stating
> > my opinion, I really am sorry if my view points have offened anyone. However,
> > I really don't believe I'm alone. Unfortunately it seems that the open minded
> > spirit of gamers as I once knew it does not extend to this newsgroup (or at
> > least part of this thread). That's too bad, seems like some of you might be a
> > little too wrapped up in the "I'm always right, no one else could possibly see
> > things different" attitude.
>
> You really don't get it, do you? Being open-minded means not prejudging people or corporations. It
> means that you don't *assume* people are evil
> or incompetent when you actually know nothing about their motives or abilities. It means that you don't
> make up your mind prematurely about things that
> haven't happened yet. It means that you reserve judgement, wait to see what happens, and judge people
> and corporations by what they DO, not by what you
> ASSUME they will do based on rumors, hearsay, stereotypes, and paranoia.
>
correct, what you have just described is CYNICISM! very good! cynicism is looking at the world through
"evil" colored lenses.
Everyone is bad, and will try to screw as many people as they can.
Being a capitalist is more fun. Remember: "A rising tide raises all ships" (A summary of _Wealth of
Nations_ by Adam Smith)
>
> You are the one who is failing to be open-minded. Hasbro has done nothing yet except issue a press
> release, and you have already tried, convicted, and sentenced them in the courtroom of you own mind, for
> crimes that exist only in your own imagination. Is this fair? Is it right, in any sense of the word?
> Is it *rational*?
You go Berry!!
> No one here is saying "I'm always right, no one else could possibly see things different." If that's
> what you're hearing, then you aren't paying attention. What we are saying to you is this: WE DON'T KNOW
> WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, AND NEITHER DO YOU. We are telling YOU to be more-open-minded,
> instead of screaming that the end is near based on nothing but a press release.
THE END IS NEAR!!! (geologically speaking of course!)
>
> > To the folks who read this newsgroup to hear other opinions and state their
> > own, my appoligies for any unintentional part I might have played in what has
> > degraded into chicken-pecking.
>
> There is more to newsgroups than just *hearing* opinions. Rational minds
> also weigh the merits of the opinions they hear, and judge them according
> to their logic, consistency, and correlation with the facts. Some opinions,
> from people who know what they're talking about and have considered the facts
> carefully, are of great value. Other opinions are worth less, because they
> are irrational, illogical, and in contradiction of the facts. This lack of
> value should be recognized and pointed out.
>
> All opinions are not equal.
>
Um, I have an aunt who plays the guitar...
>
> > To the folks who's only contribution to this discussion is by attacking the
> > view points of others instead of stating their own view points independantly,
> > I'll I say is ... get over yourselves.
>
> My viewpoint has been stated many times, but in case you missed it before,
> here is it again: It is foolish and unproductive to jump to conclusions
> about the Hasbro acquisition. We simply don't have enough information to be
> sure we know what's going to happen. The only sensible thing to do is to wait
> and see. Stay calm, maintain an open mind, and ignore the rumors and hearsay.
> Focus on the facts.
>
> Now, perhaps you think hysteria, paranoia, prejudice, and unreasoning panic
> constitute a better approach. If so, please explain your reasons. If you
> can't, then I for one will continue to dismiss the apocalytic predictions as
> just a lot of hot air.
Nice rant, needs more flaming suggestions, I mean, its way too serious... ;-)
Duane VanderPol
wrote:
>>Nobody's stopping you. Opine away to your hearts content.
>>Just don't be surprised that if your opinions are worthless, your
>>arguments utterly baseless, and you state it all with the force of
>>great conviction that people jump on you for it.
>
>
>Sure thing. I'll rember that next time I'm in Nazi Germany. Bye.
Say Hi to General Guderian for me. Nobody ever remembers him.
Bryan J. Maloney
<dua...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Say Hi to General Guderian for me. Nobody ever remembers him.
Tank commander, went straight through the Ardenne Forest.