Announcement from TSR, Inc.
TSR Inc
Inc.'s new online manager. I am here to answer
questions about TSR online and our future plans
for the internet. I have been told that you
netters are very picky about copyright laws and
such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
I have a background in copyright law. Furthermore,
I am aware of a number of web sites holding material
in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
you act to remove this material immediatly
before I have to contact you about it.
Thank you for listening, and I am looking
forward to interacting with you in the future.
Sincerely,
Geoff.
--
Geoff Essex
Manager, TSR Online Services
TSR...@aol.com
TSR DavidE
Let me be the first to welcome you online; be careful of all the land
mines out there. And don't worry; you can't do any worse than your
predecessor Sean..
Dave
verkuilen john v
Damn, that's cold!
>Dave
So what's the story: Sean is gone? I have no idea what he did on
AOL, but he seemed OK over here.
--
J. Verkuilen ja...@uiuc.edu
Bugsy
>Greetings! I am Geoffrey Essex, and I am TSR,
>Inc.'s new online manager. I am here to answer
>questions about TSR online and our future plans
>for the internet.
excuse me for butting in here but you say this as if you could dictate
policy to the internet? You may have plans for T$R but as for the
internet it will be here whether T$R is or not.
I have been told that you
>netters are very picky about copyright laws and
>such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
>I have a background in copyright law.
Does this include international law? as you may be aware there are ftp
sites on foriegn soil as well as here in the USA
Furthermore,
>I am aware of a number of web sites holding material
>in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
>you act to remove this material immediatly
>before I have to contact you about it.
>
gee this does not sound exactly like a well aimed note, but I guess if
this kind of thing works what the heck I will give it a try.
OK out there I heard there are people who have extra money they want
to give away, send it on over here before I have to contact you about
it :-D - Bugsy
The Amorphous Mass
> Greetings! I am Geoffrey Essex, and I am TSR,
> Inc.'s new online manager.
Hi.
> I am here to answer
> questions about TSR online and our future plans
> for the internet.
OK. For starters, what is the relationship between a "TSR online manager"
and a "TSR online coordinator?"
> I have been told that you
> netters are very picky about copyright laws and
> such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
> I have a background in copyright law.
Cool. Look up Palladium's policy. :-)
> Furthermore,
> I am aware of a number of web sites holding material
> in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
> you act to remove this material immediatly
> before I have to contact you about it.
Ahhh, memories of Repp.
> Thank you for listening, and I am looking
> forward to interacting with you in the future.
Ditto. :-)
----------------
The Amorphous Mass (james-r...@uiowa.edu)
aka Hyacinth, elven ambassador to the Human Islands
The Amorphous Mass
> Welcome to the fold, Geoff.
>
> Let me be the first to welcome you online; be careful of all the land
> mines out there. And don't worry; you can't do any worse than your
> predecessor Sean.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is that the sound of the door hitting him on the way out?
TSR Steve
> I am here to answer questions about TSR online and our future plans
> for the internet.
Can I keep my net-account? And can I have Sean's computer? How about his
scanner?
Oh, yeah... and welcome to TSR!
Steve Miller
TSRS...@aol.com
TSR Ravenloft & Dragonlance Design Teams
RECOLLECT, v. To recall with additions something not previously known.
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Michelle Trosko
: tsr...@aol.com (TSR Inc) wrote:
: Furthermore,
: >I am aware of a number of web sites holding material
: >in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
: >you act to remove this material immediatly
: >before I have to contact you about it.
Wow, I'm impressed by the professionalism of this statement.
Anyone else get the distinct impression that we're heading back to the
Days of Repp?
Mr. Mad
>
> Greetings! I am Geoffrey Essex, and I am TSR,
<snip>
What happened to Sean Reynolds?
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The Amorphous Mass
> Geoff Essex wrote:
>
> > I am here to answer questions about TSR online and our future plans
> > for the internet.
>
> Can I keep my net-account? And can I have Sean's computer? How about his
> scanner?
Actually, since Geoff's post is officially considered a TSR product,
follow-up posts have been determined to be derivative, and since you
didn't properly disclaim the appropriate copyrights and trademarks your
job is in peril.
I can't tell you how I know this.
> Oh, yeah... and welcome to TSR!
... here's your accordion. :-)
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B. Kim
> Greetings! I am Geoffrey Essex, and I am TSR,
> Inc.'s new online manager. I am here to answer
> questions about TSR online and our future plans
> for the internet.
Greetings! I am Mr. Unhappy Consumer.
I have been told that you
> netters are very picky about copyright laws and
> such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
> I have a background in copyright law.
Oh yeah? Well, I wanted to let you know that THIS "very picky netter"
(oops.. i believe that was a derivative) will not be purchasing anymore
TSR products in the future.
> Thank you for listening, and I am looking
> forward to interacting with you in the future.
ok...whatever
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Andrew Crossett
>
>Greetings! I am Geoffrey Essex, and I am TSR,
>Inc.'s new online manager. I am here to answer
>questions about TSR online and our future plans
>netters are very picky about copyright laws and
>such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
>in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
>you act to remove this material immediatly
>before I have to contact you about it.
>
>forward to interacting with you in the future.
>
Uhhh...happy April Fool's Day to you too?
--
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a...@servtech.com
"Be silent! That is the perpetual admonition of Tyranny!"
----The poet Wheldrake
"The Revenge of the Rose", M. Moorcock
"The 'net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."
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Wolgemuth Andrew G
announcement that TSR has once again removed the velvet glove. A pity.
Regardless, let's keep the /Flaming Posts/ (Invoc./Evoc. W2 - PHBR14, The
Complete Book of 'Netter's) to a minimum until the guy gets a little
acclimatized to the group - the statement that he has been *told* about
our predilection for copyright law complaints suggests that he hasn't been
lurking here very long, if at all. This new guy may yet be the one to
actually DO something about TSR online policy. Nevertheless, my active
/Detect Undead/ spell is giving me the nasty creeping sensation that we
are facing the Renamed Revenant of Rob Repp (TM).
A. Wolgemuth (When all else fails, you can still vote with your wallet -
at least until they produce a "TSR offline policy")
Aardy R. DeVarque
>tsrd...@aol.com (TSR DavidE) writes:
>
>>Welcome to the fold, Geoff.
>
>>Let me be the first to welcome you online; be careful of all the land
>>mines out there.
>
>
>>And don't worry; you can't do any worse than your
>>predecessor Sean..
>
>So what's the story: Sean is gone? I have no idea what he did on
>AOL, but he seemed OK over here.
Unless it has something to do with the debacle over TSR Product 0401 (If you
don't know, don't ask), I dunno, since the original post hasn't shown up
here yet.
Aardy
Freudalism: Serf & Mom
Eric Boyd
employee that Sean was kicked out for sticking up for "netters
rights" too much. He also annoyed the upper level management
by pushing for a web site too hard. According to the president,
Lorraine Williams, "TSR's future is not with the current fad
of 'surfing the web'."
Eric
PS To add insult to injury, when Sean got the news today, it
was during an office birthday party for him! Note the date
the original message was posted if you don't believe me.
Brock Cusick
>
>Greetings! I am Geoffrey Essex, and I am TSR,
>Inc.'s new online manager.
Hello.
>I am here to answer
>questions about TSR online and our future plans
>for the internet.
Ok, here it is : Why are we, the gamers, not allowed to mention anything
about your game? To succesfully play this game you _must_ have the PHB
and the DMG at least. Anyone who has played for any length of time has
probably bought a whole slew of your books. That being the case : Why
can't we mention anything that has to do with AD&D? The DMG says itself
that DMs and players alike should be free to bend rules and make up new
ways of doing things. Being a DM for some years now, and having made a
lot of changes to the rules, why can't I post my thoughts here or on the
web? Of course we're going to mention stuff from your books, we are
playing the game after all. You should be glad to know that so many enjoy
your game and like to play it, not condemn us; so why do you?
> I have been told that you
>netters are very picky about copyright laws and
>such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
>I have a background in copyright law.
In just the US, or from a worldwide perspective. Remember : See the big
picture.
>Furthermore,
>I am aware of a number of web sites holding material
>in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
>you act to remove this material immediatly
>before I have to contact you about it.
I'll be sure to pass the word on to move the info elsewhere. Of course,
if they do move it, then you'll just have to find it all over again.
Seems to me like a broken record. It just keeps repeating itself.
>Thank you for listening, and I am looking
>forward to interacting with you in the future.
Just give me a ring.
>Sincerely,
>
> Geoff.
-Macros
Cya Round
dark...@c2.hinet.net
approach is hard not to notice...
Denrandrien
dark...@hntp2.hinet.net
Jason Hatter
: Welcome to the fold, Geoff.
: Let me be the first to welcome you online; be careful of all the land
: mines out there. And don't worry; you can't do any worse than your
: predecessor Sean..
$50 says you're wrong....
Jason
P B R P A
is RPGA a copyrighted or legal name...we were going to start a local club
called that,
but were warned so we are PBRPA...permian basin role players
association...
please just email me....I rarely read this.....
Andrew Crossett
says...
>
> Over on AOL I just heard from somewhat disgruntled ex-
>"netters rights" too much. He also annoyed the upper level
>management by pushing for a web site too hard. According to the
>president, Lorraine Williams, "TSR's future is not with the
>current fad of 'surfing the web'."
"Current fad?" How did someone this stupid get to be president
of a company? Name any other significant gaming companies...or
any significant *companies* for that matter, that do not have
sites on the web. Everybody else in the damned world knows the
Internet *is* the future, and without it TSR is liable not to
have any future at all.
> PS To add insult to injury, when Sean got the news
>today, it was during an office birthday party for him! Note the
>date the original message was posted if you don't believe me.
As far as this goes, I am going to wait until I see some
verification (like a post from Sean) that this is true. If it
is...well, I've spent probably a solid $5,000 on TSR merchandise
since 1978. I have been published in Dragon magazine. I have
strictly refrained from joining in the anti-TSR flamewar because
I realize that TSR's online people are only employees with a job
to do, not the makers of policy. But frankly, if the above-
quoted incident is true, I will consider it immoral to spend any
more money on any TSR products, ever, or at least until this
Williams person is no longer with the company (or with the
living, preferably).
Dru A Smith
Andrew Crossett <a...@servtech.com> wrote:
>In article <4jpfne$r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, tsr...@aol.com says...
>>
>>questions about TSR online and our future plans
>>netters are very picky about copyright laws and
>>such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
>>in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
>>you act to remove this material immediatly
>>before I have to contact you about it.
>>
>>forward to interacting with you in the future.
>>
>>
>> Geoff.
>>--
>>Geoff Essex
>>Manager, TSR Online Services
>>TSR...@aol.com
>
>Uhhh...happy April Fool's Day to you too?
Good call Andy. This just seemed WAY too ludicrous (of course
I fell for it too).
Dru Smith
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John Edwards
->Greetings! I am Geoffrey Essex, and I am TSR,
->Inc.'s new online manager. I am here to answer
->questions about TSR online and our future plans
->for the internet. I have been told that you
->netters are very picky about copyright laws and
->such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
->I have a background in copyright law. Furthermore,
->I am aware of a number of web sites holding material
->in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
->you act to remove this material immediatly
->before I have to contact you about it.
Incredible. Let's just start up with a threat. Great way to
make friends and influence people. (where did I put my scanner???)
->Thank you for listening, and I am looking
->forward to interacting with you in the future.
Not likely, if you keep that attitude.
John
Fritz get up for god's sake. Get up! They've killed Fritz. They've
killed Fritz. Those lousy stinking yellow fairies, they've killed
Fritz! Those horrible atrocity-filled vermin. Those despicable
animal warmongers. They've Killed Fritz Max - Wizards
John Edwards
->>
->>Sincerely,
->>
->> Geoff.
->>--
->>Geoff Essex
->>Manager, TSR Online Services
->>TSR...@aol.com
->Uhhh...happy April Fool's Day to you too?
Do you think that's what it is? If so, it's in pretty poor
taste. Sean posted a note earlier, indicating he'd been fired.
Bugsy
<large amount of garbage snipped>
I am looking
>forward to interacting with you in the future.
>
This will not entail anyone dressing up as little-bo-peep will it?
Dru A Smith
>April Fools, guys.
As a person who has, in his life, pulled April Fools pranks
(Yes, I was 12 once), but who has subsequently outgrown them,
at least as far as knowing when to remove them from serious
situations, and as far as knowing what is in bad taste, I think
I can honsestly say:
Way to go Sean. You've just f**ked your reputation with me.
I assume I'm not the only one.
ObInsult: Grow Up
TSR Inc
--
Sean Reynolds, TSR Online Coordinator
TSR...@aol.com | AOL: keyword TSR | http://users.aol.com/tsrinc/
Phase
>April Fools, guys.
Whoops. Maybe all that hate mail and the bomb threat will be lost
by the postal service. j/k (:
I'm not mad at ya btw, but I'm sure some people are a little teed.
Trizt
>Greetings! I am Geoffrey Essex, and I am TSR,
>Inc.'s new online manager. I am here to answer
>questions about TSR online and our future plans
>for the internet.
Hi!
>I have been told that you
>netters are very picky about copyright laws and
>such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
>I have a background in copyright law. Furthermore,
>I am aware of a number of web sites holding material
>in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
>you act to remove this material immediatly
>before I have to contact you about it.
I hope you can something about international laws and not only us laws, for
there are alot of sites outside us which has stuff that you want to have
removed.
Why not applay a softer online policy? then you maybe sell more than today for
people woulden't be so mad at you that they will not buy anything.
//Trizt
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Aardy R. DeVarque
>So what ever happened to Repp, anyway? Did he go to work for the IRS? A certain similarity of
>approach is hard not to notice...
He moved to some other company, and AFAIK, is currently lurking around here
(I've seen posts within the last month or so)
Aardy
F=S+T
Aardy R. DeVarque
>April Fools, guys.
And a darn fine joke it was, too! Haven't seen one that good that that many
people fell for in a while...
Aardy R. DeVarque
Feudalism: Serf & Turf
Jason Andrew Chandler
> >April Fools, guys.
>
> As a person who has, in his life, pulled April Fools pranks
> (Yes, I was 12 once), but who has subsequently outgrown them,
> at least as far as knowing when to remove them from serious
> situations, and as far as knowing what is in bad taste, I think
> I can honsestly say:
> Way to go Sean. You've just f**ked your reputation with me.
> I assume I'm not the only one.
> ObInsult: Grow Up
> Dru Smith
Ummmmmm...
People bitch when TSR gets serious, people bitch when TSR tries to have
fun....
I never thought I'd have sympathy for TSR, but....
JC
Jason Chandler
University of Wisconsin Milwaukee
JAS...@CSD.UWM.EDU
HTTP://WWW.I.DON'T.HAVE/a.website.html
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BOOG!
The Amorphous Mass
> April Fools, guys.
You can razz TSR DavidE for giving the April Fool(R) Day prank away, at
least to me. The Geoff post made me suspicious, but after that rather
unbelievable comment about Geoff "doing a better job than his
predecessor Sean" I became convinced that you were pulling a fast one.
April Fool(R) is a registered trademark of TSR, Inc., used without
permission or regret.
David Mattes Orr
Dru A Smith <drus...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>In article <4jri6t$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, TSR Inc <tsr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>April Fools, guys.
>
> As a person who has, in his life, pulled April Fools pranks
>(Yes, I was 12 once), but who has subsequently outgrown them,
>at least as far as knowing when to remove them from serious
>situations, and as far as knowing what is in bad taste, I think
>I can honsestly say:
>
> Way to go Sean. You've just f**ked your reputation with me.
>I assume I'm not the only one.
>
Ok, I was fooled, and I'm sitting at my computer laughing. So maybe
it's not the most gentle of pranks, but it *was* a successfull one.
Well done, Sean. Please please puh-leese don't do it again!
Thanks,
Dave
P.S. Oh, I noticed that someone out there figured it out. Kudos!
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Rogier van Vugt
->On 1 Apr 1996, TSR DavidE wrote:
->> Welcome to the fold, Geoff.
->>
->> Let me be the first to welcome you online; be careful of all the land
->> mines out there. And don't worry; you can't do any worse than your
->> predecessor Sean.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-> Is that the sound of the door hitting him on the way out?
->----------------
->The Amorphous Mass (james-r...@uiowa.edu)
->aka Hyacinth, elven ambassador to the Human Islands
According to the circumstances he can and he _will_. At least I forsee
a possibility to get sued over this stuff. I have been critical of
Sean before, but from what I have heard he wasn't one of the bad guys
but actually one of the good. I hereby apologize for about everything
I said to Sean, and hope he won't be stuck between a rock and a hard
place in his next job. Apparently he has been fired because he was
sticking up for us 'netters.
Welcome Geoff, better start explaining your 'online policy' soon. And
know that this newsgroup will try to keep this dispute as civilized as
you make it.
Rogier 'Konradius' van Vugt
The Most Powerful Entity in the Universe's toad
>Greetings! I am Geoffrey Essex, and I am TSR,
>Inc.'s new online manager. I am here to answer
>questions about TSR online and our future plans
>netters are very picky about copyright laws and
>such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
>I have a background in copyright law. Furthermore,
>I am aware of a number of web sites holding material
>in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
>you act to remove this material immediatly
>before I have to contact you about it.
Mr. Essex,
Your post was completely inappropriate for the rec.games.frp.dnd
newsgroup. This particular site is dedicated to discussion of the
Dungeons and Dragons game, as suggested in TSR products. The tone of
your post indicates that you are either misinformed or woefully
uninformed as to the nature of the groups you are addressing. It is we
"netters" who spend our incomes on your products ensuring your company
its profit margin and enabling it to hire on-line managers. Many of the
users both of your products and of this newsgroups are mature and
responsible adults (we are the ones with the money to support your
products) who dislike being treated as mindless children. Please
familiarize yourself with the sites you are visiting before you threaten
the denizens thereof.
Thank you
-----Toad, MD, PhD
The Most Powerful Entity in the Universe's toad
>Sean Reynolds, TSR Online Coordinator
>TSR...@aol.com | AOL: keyword TSR | http://users.aol.com/tsrinc/
Well, that's one way to find out who your friends are. Though you
should probably have let us know it was a joke yesterday. 8?}
Jason Hatter
Lone_Wolf
: Welcome to the fold, Geoff.
: Let me be the first to welcome you online; be careful of all the land
: mines out there. And don't worry; you can't do any worse than your
: predecessor Sean..
Interesting.
And how many times have the various TSR net.presences complained about
personal attacks? In most cases, the complaints were justified, but still...
Ignorant people who live in glass houses will probably throw stones.
One gets the impression that Mr. David didn't like Mr. Reynolds, and has
no clue about the much reviled Mr. Repp (when he was TSR's netrep).
<sarcasm mode = OFF>
Lone_Wolf
>April Fools, guys.
>
>--
>Sean Reynolds, TSR Online Coordinator
>TSR...@aol.com | AOL: keyword TSR | http://users.aol.com/tsrinc/
For three years, friends, family, and acquaintances have been trying to
get me on April Fool's Day. They have enlisted the help of coworkers,
bosses, a girlfriend, bank tellers, and complete strangers. They have all
failed.
I have been well and truly had.
Bravo!
Joseph Gerber
Ha, ha. Very funny.
(Espically after someone commented about hacking your AOL account to do
nasty things like that.)
Joe Gerber
(Who *was* fooled, btw)
Catherine & Lew Middaugh
> April Fools, guys.
>
> --
> Sean Reynolds, TSR Online Coordinator
> TSR...@aol.com | AOL: keyword TSR | http://users.aol.com/tsrinc/
I was a little annoyed at first but my hat's off to a truly great prank.
At least one good thing came of it--I realized it was time to get off my
rear and download all those AD&D net books.
Regards,
Catherine
TSR DavidE
at
least to me. The Geoff post made me suspicious, but after that rather
unbelievable comment about Geoff "doing a better job than his
predecessor Sean" I became convinced that you were pulling a fast one.<<<
Darn. Sorry, Sean, didn't mean to give it away.
Actually, Sean and I are pretty good friends---except when he gleeks on me
at Pizza Hut, or when he is killing me in a Marathon game.
>>>April Fool(R) is a registered trademark of TSR, Inc., used without
permission or regret.<<<
Don't forget the letter "E."
David Eckelberry
Editor, Creative Services
TSR, Inc
Eric Boyd
Dru A Smith <drus...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>>April Fools, guys.
>
>(Yes, I was 12 once), but who has subsequently outgrown them,
>at least as far as knowing when to remove them from serious
>situations, and as far as knowing what is in bad taste, I think
>I can honsestly say:
>
> Way to go Sean. You've just f**ked your reputation with me.
>I assume I'm not the only one.
>
>
Gimme a break, it was funny. Just because you fell for it hook,
line, and sinker doesn't mean you can't take it in good humor.
BTW, in the five years plus I've been reading this list, it has
a long history of April Fool's pranks. So Sean was just carrying
on an established tradition.
Eric
Andrew Crossett
I170...@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU says...
>I'm not mad at ya btw, but I'm sure some people are a little teed.
You might say that.
Andrew Crossett
Andrew Crossett
drus...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu says...
> Good call Andy. This just seemed WAY too ludicrous (of course
>I fell for it too).
Yeah...I figured it out but not before I'd made a Perfect Fewl of myself by
posting an angry response. TSR should be careful joking about stuff like
this...frankly there's not much a lot of us would put past TSR Corporate.
Oh well, at least Sean got to find out what people really think of him
around here.
--
Andy Crossett
a...@servtech.com
Bruce R. Cordell
drus...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dru A Smith) wrote:
> In article <4jri6t$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, TSR Inc <tsr...@aol.com> wrote:
> >April Fools, guys.
>
> As a person who has, in his life, pulled April Fools pranks
> (Yes, I was 12 once), but who has subsequently outgrown them,
> at least as far as knowing when to remove them from serious
> situations, and as far as knowing what is in bad taste, I think
> I can honsestly say:
>
> Way to go Sean. You've just f**ked your reputation with me.
> I assume I'm not the only one.
>
> ObInsult: Grow Up
>
> Dru Smith
JEEZ - Who woke up on the wrong side of bed this morning??
_______________________
Bruce R. Cordell, Designer
TSR, Inc. (414 248 3625)
cor...@execpc.com
TSRCo...@aol.com
http://www.execpc.com/~cordell
___________________________
Andrew Crossett
says...
>->Uhhh...happy April Fool's Day to you too?
>
> Do you think that's what it is? If so, it's in pretty poor
>taste. Sean posted a note earlier, indicating he'd been fired.
I don't feel it was terribly appropriate to use the official TSR address to
do this with. And yes, considering the emotional investment some of us have
regarding TSR's online policies, in rather poor taste and not very
advisable. I was put in the position of temporarily having to hate a company
I've been pretty close to for the past 18 years. I didn't find it very
pleasant. The idea that it was an April Fools joke didn't strike me
immediately, since I've been grown up for the past 15 years or so.
But, the idea of an April Fool's joke is to get people to fall for it. As
far as that goes, mission accomplished. I happen to work for a company that
treats its employees like dirt, so this all hit just a little too close to
home for me. :-(
The Amorphous Mass
> In article <1775DA7D5S...@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU>,
> I170...@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU says...
> >I'm not mad at ya btw, but I'm sure some people are a little teed.
> You might say that.
I, for one, thought it was pretty well done. I admit initially falling
for it, but I'm not at all mad.
----------------
The Amorphous Mass (james-r...@uiowa.edu)
mad...@trip.net
> Over on AOL I just heard from somewhat disgruntled ex-TSR
> employee that Sean was kicked out for sticking up for "netters
> rights" too much. He also annoyed the upper level management
> by pushing for a web site too hard. According to the president,
> Lorraine Williams, "TSR's future is not with the current fad
> of 'surfing the web'."
>
> Eric
>
> PS To add insult to injury, when Sean got the news today, it
> was during an office birthday party for him! Note the date
> the original message was posted if you don't believe me.
Can anyone out there confirm or deny this with certainty? Sean was the
best damn net-rep TSR ever had, IM not-so-humble-this-time O. If the
above is totally true, and Sean was replaced because he "stuck up for
netter's rights too much," well...I just may have to find a new game
company to give my business to.
I admit, I never really much cared about this TSR online policy issue, as
I don't really get much stuff off the 'net about AD&D. However, I always
assumed (because of Sean's presence and posts) that TSR was at least
grudgingly (not wholeheartedly by any means) interested in bettering it's
relationship with the 'net gamer community. However, if Sean has been
replaced in the manner Eric suggests above, and for the reasons he
suggests above, that proves (to me) that TSR truly does not care about
it's customers on the 'net. If that's the case, then does TSR truly care
about their *customers* period?
I mean no offense, Eric. But, I know almost firsthand the things that
"disgruntled ex-employees" will say, and I'd just like some confirmation.
Be well, y'all...
--
-------------------------------------------------------------
Afreau Madde "Stark raving sane since 1972"
mad...@trip.net @8)
-------------------------------------------------------------
"Heh, heh. Those darn ninjas, they're wacky."
-- The Tick
mad...@trip.net
>Greetings! I am Geoffrey Essex, and I am TSR,
>Inc.'s new online manager. I am here to answer
>questions about TSR online and our future plans
>for the internet.
Cool. Welcome aboard! Some questions:
So, when's the new TSR web site going to exist?
Have you followed this group in the past, or any other FRP group?
Perhaps a silly question, but: Are you a gamer?
Do you have a personal web site? If so, what's the URL?
Also, what happened to Mr. Reynolds? Was he re-assigned? Fired? If
so, why?
I don't mean to give you a hard time, it's just that we've seen several
net-reps come and go, with not a whole lot to show for it. I'm not
looking to harass you, I'd just like a little info. ;)
I have been told that you
>netters are very picky about copyright laws and
>such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
>I have a background in copyright law.
Cool. I hope you have a high frustration tolerance, as well! :)
Furthermore,
>I am aware of a number of web sites holding material
>in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
>you act to remove this material immediatly
>before I have to contact you about it.
Noooot a good start, Mr. Essex! :) If you see a site that offends your
sensibilities, you may want to contact the individual responsible, but
don't try this Rob Repp stuff. It smacks of the principal telling the
boys not to smoke in the bathroom... ;)
>Thank you for listening, and I am looking
>forward to interacting with you in the future.
Same here. I might get a little smart-assed from time to time, tho, but
it's all meant as constructive criticism.
>Geoff Essex
>Manager, TSR Online Services
>TSR...@aol.com
Steven Kelly Woyicki
user Andrew Crossett@servtech writes:
>In article <Dp7r0...@apollo.hp.com>, bo...@ch.apollo.hp.com
>says...
>>
>> Over on AOL I just heard from somewhat disgruntled ex-
>>"netters rights" too much. He also annoyed the upper level
>>management by pushing for a web site too hard. According to the
>>president, Lorraine Williams, "TSR's future is not with the
>>current fad of 'surfing the web'."
This has got to be an April Fool's Joke. But nobody has posted an
"APRIL FOOLS!" message to let us off the hook yet. Um, can somebody
please confirm SOMETHING?
The Amorphous Mass
>
> This has got to be an April Fool's Joke. But nobody has posted an
> "APRIL FOOLS!" message to let us off the hook yet. Um, can somebody
> please confirm SOMETHING?
Sean has posted an "April Fool's." Unfortunately, he posted it to an
unreliable and asynchronous medium. Welcome to USENET. :-)
Yes, the whole thing is a joke.
Steven Kelly Woyicki
Yep. Got me too. Now somebody kick me.
Steve at Castle Ravenloft
************************************************************************
"Conan, what is good?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the
lamentations of their women!"
************************************************************************
TSR Steve
"Way to go Sean. You've just f**ked your reputation with me.
I assume I'm not the only one. "
Aren't you just over-reacting just a little bit?
Steve Miller
TSRS...@aol.com
TSR Ravenloft & Dragonlance Design Teams
RECOLLECT, v. To recall with additions something not previously known.
--Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
TSRKeith
I'll be the first to admit that Sean got me on this one, too. I guess
I should go visit him in his TSRCave once in a while!
Keith Strohm
Editor, Creative Services
TSRInc
P.S. For anyone really upset out there: Sean is going to meet with a
horrible Wolleyball accident tomorrow at lunch ;)
mad...@trip.net
>Welcome to the fold, Geoff.
>
>Let me be the first to welcome you online; be careful of all the land
>mines out there. And don't worry; you can't do any worse than your
>predecessor Sean..
>
>Dave
Annnnnd what exactly did Sean do that was so wrong? Details, please.
Once again, I'm not mad at Geoff, I'd just like to be clued in as to the
causes of this abrupt change.
mad...@trip.net
>April Fools, guys.
<groan>
Anyone else feel that ol' fishhook buried deeeeeep in their throats?
..now, where the hell are my pliers? ;)
I think I'll change my .sig for just this occaision...
--
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Afreau Madde "Stark raving sane since 1972"
mad...@trip.net @8)
-------------------------------------------------------------
"Now if you'll excuse me, I think I'll go home
and have a heart attack."
-- Vincent Vega
Jason M. Hamari
>In article <4jri6t$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, TSR Inc <tsr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>April Fools, guys.
>
>I assume I'm not the only one.
>
Jason M. Hamari
>In article <4jri6t$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, tsr...@aol.com (TSR Inc) wrote:
>>April Fools, guys.
>
>
Andrew Crossett
>
> Over on AOL I just heard from somewhat disgruntled ex-TSR
> employee that Sean was kicked out for sticking up for "netters
> rights" too much. He also annoyed the upper level management
> by pushing for a web site too hard. According to the president,
> Lorraine Williams, "TSR's future is not with the current fad
> of 'surfing the web'."
As one of the "fished-in", I have to say that the only thing that seriously
ticks me off about the whole thing is the above post implicating Lorraine
Williams of some pretty nasty conduct. I assume this was done without her
knowledge or consent.
As a result of this, I flamed her pretty severely in a followup post. I
*very* seldom flame anyone, and the idea that someone tricked me into
flaming an innocent person ruins for me what would otherwise have been a
masterfully conducted practical joke.
Public image is very important to company presidents. To publicly attribute
false offenses to one of them goes beyond the spirit of April Fool's Day.
I apologize to Ms. Williams for unjustly flaming her. I think someone else
owes her an apology, too.
Bugsy
>Greetings! I am Geoffrey Essex, and I am TSR,
>Inc.'s new online manager. I am here to answer
>questions about TSR online and our future plans
>for the internet. I have been told that you
>netters are very picky about copyright laws and
>such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
>I have a background in copyright law. Furthermore,
>I am aware of a number of web sites holding material
>in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
>you act to remove this material immediatly
>before I have to contact you about it.
>
>Thank you for listening, and I am looking
>forward to interacting with you in the future.
>
>Sincerely,
>
> Geoff.
>--
>Geoff Essex
>Manager, TSR Online Services
>TSR...@aol.com
Uh Sean I hate to mention this but if you think they are pissed at you
here wait till you tell all the mourners in the "Ive been fired"
thread three or four days after the fact that it was really just a
gag! They are acting like you died or something and they have been
your long time beer buddies, and I have heard a distinct lip-smacking
sound coming from that thread. Oh if nothing else tell them Geoff
made you do it!! after all it is pretty obvious none of them have read
this thread. :-D Have fun - Bugsy
Terry Austin
> What happened to Sean Reynolds?
April 1st happened to Sean Reynolds.
Dooh!
Pretty good, though.
Terry Austin
tau...@ni.net
Tigers should not sit in chairs.
Poison
>
>Greetings! I am Geoffrey Essex, and I am TSR,
>Inc.'s new online manager. I am here to answer
>questions about TSR online and our future plans
>for the internet. I have been told that you
>netters are very picky about copyright laws and
>such, so I wanted to let you know up front that
>I have a background in copyright law. Furthermore,
>I am aware of a number of web sites holding material
>in violation of TSR's online policy. I suggest
>you act to remove this material immediatly
>before I have to contact you about it.
You may go to hell now.
>Thank you for listening, and I am looking
>forward to interacting with you in the future.
Thank you for being an asshole and I look foward to flameing your sorry ass
in the future.
HICKEY MATTHEW
>From: jh...@nslsilus.org (Aardy R. DeVarque)
>Subject: Re: Announcement from TSR, Inc.
>Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 17:19:17 GMT>And a darn fine joke it was, too! Haven't seen one that good that that many
>people fell for in a while...
But it was so real. Damn you. I fell for two in a row!
>Aardy R. DeVarque
>Feudalism: Serf & Turf
PS. I hope that when you did think it up, there was no intentional slight
aimed at everyone who has lost theior jobs for real in the past year.
Nightshade
Lord of the Poisoned Rose "Hold onto nothing, as fast as you can"
- Tori Amos
Matthew Hickey
Vryce@NuRPG
Email: Gn...@Academic.STU.StThomasU.Ca
Eric Boyd
I did everything but give it away.
a) I attributed the whole thing to a "disgruntled ex-TSR employee".
If you go flaming people based on hearsay, that's your foolishness.
Why don't you confirm before you act?
b) The last sentence says "... if you don't believe me check the date ..."
Jeez!
Eric
Kristi Appelhans
is hell enough by itself, let's not add to it :)
ChrisA
-kil-
Kristi Appelhans
ChrisA
-kil-
TSR DavidE
TSR
is hell enough by itself, let's not add to it :) <<<
It's not really all that bad. Except for Sean, that is. ;-)
You're going down in walleyball, Sean. Keith and I are gunning for you
now.
David Eckelberry TSR, Inc.
Editor, Creative Services 201 Sheridan Spring Dr.
TSR Dav...@aol.com Lake Geneva, WI 53121
Check out my homepage! Dragon Dice info galore!
Links to Other cool sites! Http://members.aol.com/tsrdavide
Wildwood
>Sean Reynolds, TSR Online Coordinator
>TSR...@aol.com | AOL: keyword TSR | http://users.aol.com/tsrinc/
Well. You might want to have a talk with the various TSROs at aol. They
all seemed rather upset.
Bill
Wildwood
'Jason Andrew Chandler <jas...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>' wrote:
>On 2 Apr 1996, Dru A Smith wrote:
>
>> >April Fools, guys.
>>
>> As a person who has, in his life, pulled April Fools pranks
>> (Yes, I was 12 once), but who has subsequently outgrown them,
>> at least as far as knowing when to remove them from serious
>> situations, and as far as knowing what is in bad taste, I think
>> I can honsestly say:
>> I assume I'm not the only one.
>> Dru Smith
>
>
>People bitch when TSR gets serious, people bitch when TSR tries to have
>fun....
>
>I never thought I'd have sympathy for TSR, but....
>
>JC
>Jason Chandler
>University of Wisconsin Milwaukee
>JAS...@CSD.UWM.EDU
>HTTP://WWW.I.DON'T.HAVE/a.website.html
>Art Major and Advocate General of Psionics
>BOOG!
Well, think of it this way. I would only play an April Fool's trick on
friends. I hope Sean thinks the same way and considers us his friends.
Bill
Moonsong99
I assume I'm not the only one.
ObInsult: Grow Up>>
ROTFLOL
Didja ever notice that the only people that get pissed off about April
Fool's jokes are the ones that fall for it.
OB Insult: Grow a sense of humor.
Brion Babula
Moons...@aol.com
Michael Dillson
:>tsrd...@aol.com (TSR DavidE) wrote:
:>>Welcome to the fold, Geoff.
:>>
:>>Let me be the first to welcome you online; be careful of all the land
:>>mines out there. And don't worry; you can't do any worse than your
:>>predecessor Sean..
:>>
:>>Dave
:>Annnnnd what exactly did Sean do that was so wrong? Details, please.
:>Once again, I'm not mad at Geoff, I'd just like to be clued in as to the
:>causes of this abrupt change.
:>--
:>-------------------------------------------------------------
:>Afreau Madde "Stark raving sane since 1972"
:>mad...@trip.net @8)
:>-------------------------------------------------------------
:> "Heh, heh. Those darn ninjas, they're wacky."
:> -- The Tick
It was an April Fools joke.
You've been had, just like the rest of us. :-0
--------------------
Mike Dillson
Atlanta, GA
dil...@mindspring.com
All content copyright by writer and may not be reproduced without
his written permission.
mort...@ufcp.com
>April Fools, guys.
>--
>Sean Reynolds, TSR Online Coordinator
>TSR...@aol.com | AOL: keyword TSR | http://users.aol.com/tsrinc/
*Chuckle*
I didn't check this newsgroup until today, and I was already wary
because of a "V-barcode Announcement: A V-chip for books" that was
posted on rec.arts.books about 2 weeks ago. But I would have made a
total fool of myself if I'd read newsgroups on Monday, since I was
able to read the entire thread on news.groups (about the invalidated
rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon-5.moderated vote) and not get fooled (or get
fooled then informed before I made an ass of myself), as well as this
thread, which, I have to say, I knew was a hoax when I read the date
of the original post. I just scrolled down to the next TSRInc message
to confirm the April Fools message.
Way to go, Sean. Looks like you got 2 things out of this one:
1) a really, really, really good prank
and
2) confirmation of how much we appreciate you (sore fools excepted, of
course)
still laughing,
mortaine
mort...@ufcp.com
http://www.ufcp.com/employee/steph/steph2.htm
-----------------------------------------------
Humility is like Zen; once you think you've got it, you don't.
George Koch
TI>>>Subject: Re: Announcement from TSR, Inc.
TI>>>April Fools, guys.
TI>>>--
TI>>>Sean Reynolds, TSR Online Coordinator
TI>>>TSR...@aol.com | AOL: keyword TSR | http://users.aol.com/tsrinc/
Hahahahaha... Good one Sean... Hook, line & sinker over here..
You fired up alotta folx too... so I'd say you got 'em good..
Happy April to ya.....
---
* SLMR 2.1a * My reality check just bounced.
Andrew Crossett
Well, it's now April 3 and I'm no longer pissed off; actually I admit I was
mostly upset at myself, not for getting fooled (I certainly wasn't alone, and
I *was* one of the first to figure it out and post accordingly), but for
allowing myself to get so publicly upset. I couldn't care less about the
"disgruntled ex-TSR employee" thing, what bothers me is that you cited a
*direct quote* from a *specific person" (Lorraine Williams) which was false
and which could, under more serious circumstances, have been considered
defamatory to her. Consider that at the time you posted that, almost everyone
still thought this whole thing was serious. I hope Ms. Williams doesn't have
any fillings; they might have rattled loose from all the bad vibes that must
have been directed her way during that brief period of time.
As for confirming before I flame, I composed that post as soon as I saw yours,
then put it in storage until I could do just that. When Sean posted his
message saying he had been fired, under pretty much the same circumstances you
gave, I pretty much considered that confirmation. I tried to get a third
source, but Deep Throat wouldn't answer my calls :-)
So that's the end of that. Time to get back to AD&D.
Andy Crossett
a...@servtech.com
a...@spectra.net
Were-Mutt
Bruce R. Cordell <cor...@execpc.com> wrote:
>In article <4jripk$a...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>drus...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dru A Smith) wrote:
>
>> In article <4jri6t$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, TSR Inc <tsr...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >April Fools, guys.
>>
>> I assume I'm not the only one.
>>
>
Hmmm...sounds to me like someone is just a wee bit pissed that they
actually fell for it. I'm not sayin I didn't, I just didn't get all
miffed about it. God dude, calm down it was just a joke.
--
The Were-Mutt (bing...@cwis.isu.edu) | Proof is just a lack of
Holy Archiver of the Most Holy Wombat | imagination.
http://www.isu.edu/~bingchar/terra_intro.html |
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John Edwards
->Geoff Essex wrote:
->
->> I am here to answer questions about TSR online and our future plans
->> for the internet.
->
->Can I keep my net-account? And can I have Sean's computer? How about his
->scanner?
->
->Oh, yeah... and welcome to TSR!
->
->
->Steve Miller
Obviously, Steve won't miss Sean....
John
Fritz get up for god's sake. Get up! They've killed Fritz. They've
killed Fritz. Those lousy stinking yellow fairies, they've killed
Fritz! Those horrible atrocity-filled vermin. Those despicable
animal warmongers. They've Killed Fritz Max - Wizards
David Dylan
WAG> From: 4a...@qlink.queensu.ca (Wolgemuth Andrew G)
WAG>
WAG> Just on a guess, I'd say we can take this as an official
WAG> announcement that TSR has once again removed the velvet glove. A
Just overzealous, you know, new job, wanting to do things
differently... we know what TSR is all about, velvet or not, a glove is
a glove. Your post is very sensible, and I *think* I agree.
TSR gets up our ... nose, but we'll have to work with them, and I for
one am not giving up on my hobby just because of the suits...
and, lets face it, wether we like it or not, it is *their* stuff, what
they do with it is something we can only influence from 'within'.
WAG> pity. Regardless, let's keep the /Flaming Posts/ (Invoc./Evoc. W2 -
WAG> PHBR14, The Complete Book of 'Netter's) to a minimum until the guy
I agree, grant him a few draconian posts. he's new...
Hideeho!
DD.
... New Mail not found. Start whine-pout sequence? (Y/N)
David Dylan
EB> From: bo...@ch.apollo.hp.com (Eric Boyd)
EB>
EB> Over on AOL I just heard from somewhat disgruntled ex-TSR
EB> employee that Sean was kicked out for sticking up for "netters
EB> rights" too much. He also annoyed the upper level management
EB> by pushing for a web site too hard. According to the president,
EB> Lorraine Williams, "TSR's future is not with the current fad
EB> of 'surfing the web'."
Their bad mistake..
EB>
EB> Eric
EB>
EB> PS To add insult to injury, when Sean got the news today, it
EB> was during an office birthday party for him! Note the date
EB> the original message was posted if you don't believe me.
Shitty thing to do... but, let's not bully the new guy until we get to
know him, _then_ we can bully him! ;)
Sayonara!
DD.
... Win '95..... emulating a 32 bit 286...
Terry Austin
>P.S. Oh, I noticed that someone out there figured it out. Kudos!
>--
Two, actually, that I saw (one other than myself). Didn't have the
right tone for an official "we know you're breaking the law" type
post. In fact, I first took it to be an "I hate T$R" type from the
half-coherent wording.
David Dylan
R. O. T. F. L. and L. and L.
You really had me there... do you realise I spent an hour typing
replies while I was still groggy from medication and
blood-tests?? Hee Hee, You've made my day, and it needed making.
BUT, I'll get you back someday!
Next april 1, be out of town ! ;))
... BEWARE - Tagline Thief in this echo (called TSR) * Origin: EAgle Soft
InterNet gateway - 3120-6900028 (2:280/916.0)
Rand
In article <4jsl6k$t...@login.ee> Jason M. Hamari wrote:
>Dru A Smith wrote:
>>In article <4jri6t$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, TSR Inc <tsr...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>>>April Fools, guys.
>>
>> Way to go Sean. You've just f**ked your reputation with me.
>>I assume I'm not the only one.
>>
Really. Someone needs to go to alt.joke.marketplace and get a sence of humor. ;-)
Rand
--
Randall W. Dederick
RWDed...@gnn.com
http://members.gnn.com/RWDederick/home.htm
George Koch
>>>>
>>>>> >April Fools, guys.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a person who has, in his life, pulled April Fools pranks
>>>>> (Yes, I was 12 once), but who has subsequently outgrown them,
>>>>> at least as far as knowing when to remove them from serious
>>>>> situations, and as far as knowing what is in bad taste, I think
>>>>> I can honsestly say:
>>>>> I assume I'm not the only one.
>>>>> Dru Smith
Geesh! Sounds like somebody needs a nap!
---
* SLMR 2.1a * On a clear disk you can seek forever
Terry Austin
>b) The last sentence says "... if you don't believe me check the date ..."
>Jeez!
How could *anyone* possibly NOT have gotten it at that point? How
many countries are there where there is Usenet AND AD&D, but not April
Fool's?
John Edwards
->
->Didja ever notice that the only people that get pissed off about April
->Fool's jokes are the ones that fall for it.
->
->OB Insult: Grow a sense of humor.
->
->Brion Babula
->Moons...@aol.com
I fell for it, hook, line and sinker, and I thought it was
pretty good. Some people just don't like it when the jokes on
them...
M. Hughes
been on the newsgroup in over a week. I was so peeved at TSR that I
swore off the game "forever". Thanks to an e-mail from a fellow
player, I discovered that it had all been a ruse, and I have to
admit... I laughed my ass off! Well done, Sean!
As for all of the peeved folks out there... think about why
you're so miffed! Is it because you're too proud to contend with the
fact that you were successfully fooled? You have to feel some devotion
to Sean to have been upset in the first place... just be glad he isn't
_really_ being replaced with somebody like that! After all, it was in
good fun, and he must have gotten ya'!
He sure as hell got me!
Michael C. Hughes
<myth...@ix.netcom.com>
"Those of you who think you know everything are annoying those of us who do."
Keith Piddington
In a previous article, drus...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dru A Smith) says:
>In article <4jri6t$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, TSR Inc <tsr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>April Fools, guys.
>
> As a person who has, in his life, pulled April Fools pranks
>(Yes, I was 12 once), but who has subsequently outgrown them,
>at least as far as knowing when to remove them from serious
>situations, and as far as knowing what is in bad taste, I think
>I can honsestly say:
(unnecessary insults snipped...)
All I can say is: "Damn! And I thought we'd all find out what
Sean *really* thinks about these issues we discuss..."
Cheers!
--
"Hail, Arabica, Goddess of the Morning!" uj551
is
** As it harm none, do as ye will ** Keith