Drew Tucker, and other artists
Joseph William Dixon
: I hope that Drew Tucker's art is not back in the Fallen Empires set, or
: any more expansion sets. I really don't like his art, I don't think it
: has a place on Magic cards. I can't get a decent picture of what is
: going on in his art! The Holy Light card is some a picture of some naked
: guy just standing there! If he can paint for the WotC, why can't I?
You *must* be kidding, right? Tucker's one of the best they use, far
better than Poole...
: I love Mark Poole's art. The Morale card has to be my favourite. Let's
: see more of Poole, Christopher Rush, Douglas Shuler, Anson Maddocks, and
: Quinton Hoover in the upcoming sets.
Rush, Shuler, and Hoover are quite good, with Maddocks having his good
and bad moments.
As for Poole, "Morale" is his best so far - but that's not saying too
much... [look at Balance, Festival, Burrowing, Birds of Paradise,
Fastbond, Kudzu, Counterspell, Phantasmal Forces, and Island Sanctuary to
name a few. All look like TSR art...]
Seoman
ra9...@badger.ac.BrockU.CA (RYAN DOUGLAS AMOS) writes:
> I hope that Drew Tucker's art is not back in the Fallen Empires set, or
> any more expansion sets. I really don't like his art, I don't think it
> has a place on Magic cards. I can't get a decent picture of what is
> going on in his art! The Holy Light card is some a picture of some naked
> guy just standing there! If he can paint for the WotC, why can't I?
>
> I love Mark Poole's art. The Morale card has to be my favourite. Let's
> see more of Poole, Christopher Rush, Douglas Shuler, Anson Maddocks, and
> Quinton Hoover in the upcoming sets.
Hmmm... I rather like his work. It's very evocative and lends itself
well to most of the cards he's done. I like artwork that suggests far
more than it reveals.
Power Leak and Angry Mob create some very frightening images in my
mind's eye.
Seoman
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Mark A. Havener
>RYAN DOUGLAS AMOS (ra9...@badger.ac.BrockU.CA) wrote:
>: I hope that Drew Tucker's art is not back in the Fallen Empires set, or
>: any more expansion sets. I really don't like his art, I don't think it
>: has a place on Magic cards. I can't get a decent picture of what is
>: going on in his art! The Holy Light card is some a picture of some naked
>: guy just standing there! If he can paint for the WotC, why can't I?
J. Dixon (aa...@cfn.cs.dal.ca) wrote:
> You *must* be kidding, right? Tucker's one of the best they use, far
>better than Poole...
C'mon, _YOU_ must be kidding, right? I've been assuming that every time
I read that someone actually _LIKES_ Tucker's art that he's joking, but
I'm starting to believe that you guys are serious! If I wanted to look at
blurry pictures, I'd play Magic without my reading glasses! At least it's
not as bad as the stuff that Justin Hampton puts out. You can cloak
Tucker's art in a "Neo-Impressionistic" title, but Hampton's "art" is just
garbage.
> : I love Mark Poole's art. The Morale card has to be my favourite. Let's
>: see more of Poole, Christopher Rush, Douglas Shuler, Anson Maddocks, and
>: Quinton Hoover in the upcoming sets.
>
> Rush, Shuler, and Hoover are quite good, with Maddocks having his good
>and bad moments.
> As for Poole, "Morale" is his best so far - but that's not saying too
>much... [look at Balance, Festival, Burrowing, Birds of Paradise,
>Fastbond, Kudzu, Counterspell, Phantasmal Forces, and Island Sanctuary to
>name a few. All look like TSR art...]
I agree with you here for the most part, though let's not forget about Pete
Venters, who's got to be in my top three (HOOVER, Rush, and Venters).
Anson's very good also, but he'd be nearer the top of my list if all of
his stuff were as good as his "good moments".
Mark
"Real Men Play Black"
hav...@ecst.csuchico.edu
Paul Brinkley
Mark A. Havener <hav...@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
>
>I agree with you here for the most part, though let's not forget about Pete
>Venters, who's got to be in my top three (HOOVER, Rush, and Venters).
>Anson's very good also, but he'd be nearer the top of my list if all of
>his stuff were as good as his "good moments".
I agree; some of Anson's good moments are truly good (like Living
Wall or Deathgrip), but his prolificity hurts him. So does Dan
Frazier's, who did the most cards for the Alpha/Beta/Unlimited
editions.
I've come to side with Garfield, though; Rob Alexander's stuff is
truly breathtaking (Twiddle, Underground Sea, Badlands, Singing
Tree, et al.). It's very detailed, which makes me wish it were
featured in the calendar.
Mark Poole has had some _really_ good moments (Urza's Towers).
NeNe Thomas is worth honorable mention (Necropolis, Hurkyl's
Recall); it'd be nice to see more cards done by her.
Check out some of Andi Rusu's Legends cards: Barktooth Warbeard,
Bartel Runeaxe, Pavel Maliki, Sir Shandlar.
Randy Asplund-Faith gets some points for things like Sorrow's
Path - despite the card's use, it's a good picture.
And finally, Ron Spencer, who did *one* card for Unlimited (Terror),
gets the award for best-featured artist in the Dark. :)
Paul Brinkley
brin...@cs.utexas.edu
RYAN DOUGLAS AMOS
I hope that Drew Tucker's art is not back in the Fallen Empires set, or
any more expansion sets. I really don't like his art, I don't think it
has a place on Magic cards. I can't get a decent picture of what is
going on in his art! The Holy Light card is some a picture of some naked
guy just standing there! If he can paint for the WotC, why can't I?
I love Mark Poole's art. The Morale card has to be my favourite. Let's
see more of Poole, Christopher Rush, Douglas Shuler, Anson Maddocks, and
Quinton Hoover in the upcoming sets.
Ryan Amos
RYAN DOUGLAS AMOS
: In article <1994Nov2.1...@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>
: ra9...@badger.ac.BrockU.CA (RYAN DOUGLAS AMOS) writes:
: > I hope that Drew Tucker's art is not back in the Fallen Empires set, or
: > any more expansion sets. I really don't like his art, I don't think it
: > has a place on Magic cards. I can't get a decent picture of what is
: > going on in his art! The Holy Light card is some a picture of some naked
: > guy just standing there! If he can paint for the WotC, why can't I?
: I happen to find Mr. Tucker's art refreshing and pleasantly
: disturbing. I think his more impressionistic style captures the flavor
: of certain cards like a cartoon drawing never could. I believe he did
: the Exorcist, which most of my friends adore, as do I. If you don't
: like his art, get an Illusionary Mask.
My Illusionary mask only works on Summon Cards, and Holy Light is an
Instant. I appreciate Mr. Tucker's art, but I don't think that it has a
place on Magic Cards, that's all. I like his Exorcist card much better
than his Holy Light. We have re-nicknamed the Holy Light card to the Holy
Butt.
What does everyone think about the calendar? I would have bought it if
they had featured some of their better art in it. Oh well, there is
always next year.
Has anyone seen that poster with about 100 cards from various set
shrunken down on it. It is a really cool poster, but the store told me
that they got it from their distributor, and that it wasn't for sale.
Anybody know where I could pick it up?
Ryan Amos
Gabe Nell
missed it!
<insert conversation praising drew tuckers work>
HA! It looks like drew tucker PUKED on the goddamn canvas! I mean for
heavens sake,, what the HELL is this "Holy Light" picture?! It's a pic of
a guy on a small wall showing us his BARE ASS! PLEASE! Where on earth did
WotC dig up this guy!?
(All IMO, and in fact in many others Opinion)
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Gabe
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Matthew J Scott
ra9...@badger.ac.BrockU.CA (RYAN DOUGLAS AMOS) writes:
> I hope that Drew Tucker's art is not back in the Fallen Empires set, or
> any more expansion sets. I really don't like his art, I don't think it
> has a place on Magic cards. I can't get a decent picture of what is
> going on in his art! The Holy Light card is some a picture of some naked
> guy just standing there! If he can paint for the WotC, why can't I?
I happen to find Mr. Tucker's art refreshing and pleasantly
disturbing. I think his more impressionistic style captures the flavor
of certain cards like a cartoon drawing never could. I believe he did
the Exorcist, which most of my friends adore, as do I. If you don't
like his art, get an Illusionary Mask.
Matt
mjs...@psu.edu
Quod Scripsi, Scripsi.
"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because it's opponents
do not cease to be insipid." Nietzsche
bi...@its.bldrdoc.gov
> : I hope that Drew Tucker's art is not back in the Fallen Empires set, or
> : any more expansion sets. I really don't like his art, I don't think it
> : has a place on Magic cards. I can't get a decent picture of what is
> : going on in his art! The Holy Light card is some a picture of some naked
> : guy just standing there! If he can paint for the WotC, why can't I?
>
> You *must* be kidding, right? Tucker's one of the best they use, far
> better than Poole...
In some folk's eyes Drew may be a good artist, but his stuff is so
abstract and unrelated to the card, that his art should be removed
from future sets.
I mean what the heck is Ashes to Ashes a picture of? Or that Ydwen Effret,
yuck, is that bad. Look at Exorcist, Goblin Caves, Cave People, and People
of the Woods. Did he just forget to clean up the picture after he painted
it? All those paint splotches don't add anything but a look of
unprofessionalism.
There's only one artist that even comes close to pictures this bad
is Julie Baroh. At least Hampton's stuff looks like he put some
effort into it (although his don't fit the cards either).
> Rush, Shuler, and Hoover are quite good, with Maddocks having his good
> and bad moments.
I agree with you on that. Maddocks seems to just draw any old thing
he thinks of. Some turns out real good and some turns out real bad.
I really like the Dragon Engine, but I really hate that Minotaur.
My favorites are Apslud-Faith, Benson, Shuler, and Wanerstrand.
-- Bill
Andy Whitfield
not saying that it's not good, but personally, I opt for realism over
impressionism. Actually, the artist who I like a lot but never hear
anything mentioned about is Tom Wänerstrund. I love his work on City of
Shadows out of The Dark. He also did Mountain Stronghold and Flash Flood
out of Legends, Ghost Ship, Giant Shark, and Goblins of the Flarg from The
Dark, and Samite Healer plus a few others out of Revised that for the
likes of me I can't remember right now. My cards are so disorganized I
can't go look them up. If anyone remembers, enlighten me...=) Anyway, I
just wanted to mention Tom, and say Great work, keep it up!
--
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"This is all far from over..."
- Roman Strauss, a.k.a. Kenneth "The Man" Branagh
Matthew J Scott
The Calendar Sucks.
I have the poster, my local distributer was giving them away, boxes
of them. If I knew people were being stingy with them I'd have picked
up some extras to hand out. You ought to be able to find some
somewhere.
Karl J. Borst
> any more expansion sets. I really don't like his art, I don't think it
> has a place on Magic cards. I can't get a decent picture of what is
> going on in his art! The Holy Light card is some a picture of some naked
> guy just standing there! If he can paint for the WotC, why can't I?
Let me guess, you think Quinten Hoover is the best, right? Look, each Magic
artist has a different style. I like that. I'd get bored really easily if
all of the cards were done by Hoover or Melissa Benson, and I'd downright
quit Magic if all Magic cards were done by Mark Poole (by far the worst Magic
artist, IMHO (can't figure out where that THUMB goes, can you Mark...)).
Drew Tucker's art is brilliant. It has a loose, dark, depressing feel to it.
It was used very effectively in The Dark (Holy Light, Exorcist, Ashes to
Ashes all look great) and was even better used in Jyhad, where his style fit
to a tee. I don't think there are some cards which Drew Tucker should do.
Like "V. Enchantress" or happy Green cards (note that WotC has seemed to have
figured that out). But Black cards, psychic terror Blue cards... Drew Tucker
is perfect.
I applaud WotC on their choice of artists. Most are brilliant. Sometimes
the art does not reflect the feel of the card (I, for one, do not feel
Hoover's art, incredible as it is, had any place in Jyhad), but most of the
time they get it right.
Kabo.
Karl J. Borst
T. Peers
|> Hmmm... I rather like his work. It's very evocative and lends itself
|> well to most of the cards he's done. I like artwork that suggests far
|> more than it reveals.
|>
|> Power Leak and Angry Mob create some very frightening images in my
|> mind's eye.
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|> Seoman
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moments- the two you mention especially. Most of the time though, the above
.sig sword would be more welcome on a card IMHO...
Tim
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WotC use. Yes, even Justin Hampton. Yes, I do like Drew Tucker's
work. Why? It's not realism. Isn't everyone sick of your standard
Easly, Elmore, and all those other artists? I mean, there work is
good, but it's refreshing to see another style of art being used
in a fantasy game. Realism is the easist type of art to do. You just
draw what you see. Doing abstract art, and I mean GOOD abstract art,
takes imagination, emotion. I admit I don't like all types of art.
Most modern art, I just can't see. I guess it has to do when I was
young, we took a trip to France, and went to see the Louvre. We
we're walking around the modern "art" section. Looking at the walls
painted different colors, that was supposed to mean something, and
I was getting tired. Then I saw a sort of folding chair, on the wall.
I thought, hey, a place to sit down. I pull down the chair, and the
security guard comes over and tells me, "Hey, don't touch that it's
a piece of art." It's chair. On a wall. That's not art. Justin Hampton
(however cartoony), Phil Foglio, Drew Tucker, THEY do art. Why?
Cause it's not a chair on a wall. They actually put some effort into
their work. To say that realistic painting and line drawings are the
only type of art appropriate to fantasy games is close-minded. I'd
like to see more styles of art on Magic cards. Hey, why doesn't any
one complain about the art on Stasis? It's a Throat Wolf eating a
piece of Cheese, playing teeter-totter with a clown. Is it art? Yes.
Is it good? It's all in the eye of the beholder. At least it's not
a chair on a wall. Just my 2 cents...
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You *DON'T* like Drew Tucker??
The man is a Legend <g>. Cave People, Holy Light and Murk Dwellers are
some of my favourite cards just 'cause he did them.
What, you want just the kinda stuff from the D&D basic set box? Well,
OK, send me all your Tucker cards so you won't have to look at them,
and my Drew Deck can finally get going. If only I hadn't traded my
Clockwork Beast... for a Hive, natch.
Maybe it's an upbringing thing. Some of us had Little Golden Books'
Disney Classics at bedtime, some of us had the Cherrywood Cannon. Any
guesses as to who had more interesting nightmares?
Joel.
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> Hm. I must admit to not liking DT stuff in general, but he has his (rare)
> moments- the two you mention especially. Most of the time though, the above
> ..sig sword would be more welcome on a card IMHO...
Well, I just got my copy of Duelist #3 in the mail and guess what? The
feature artist of the month is Drew Tucker. They show lots of his other
work. It's all just as bad (IMHO) as the art on cards.
But the funny thing is that we have been discussing (here on the net)
whether we like him or not. The messages here seem to fall into two
categories. 1) "His art is really bad." and 2) "Leave him alone, he's
just expressing himself." Then, a week later, the article comes out,
indicating that WotC thinks Drew is the best artist they've hired in
a while. Sigh.
-- Bill
Jeffrey Davi Verzak
Christopher G. Wood <wood...@duq3.cc.duq.edu> wrote:
(Snip)
>And many, many people, myself included, have said [h]is art is wonderful
>and evocative....
(Snip)
>If they keep hiring artists with a variety of styles (well, perhaps not
>too much Hamptonesque) then I will continue to relish opening a few packs
>of a new sampler as they come out....
(Snip)
>...Who personally wouldn't have chosen Phil Foglio for MtG cards, but still
>admires the variety.
Yes, the variety is nice, but I think that the art chosen needs
to fit the card and the general feel of the game. Some of the work he
did does do so, as in Power Leak, Angry Mob and Ashes to Ashes. All of
those show movement and convey a feel for what the card is about. I
originally didn't like Ashes to Ashes, but after thinking about it, it
*is* a card from the Dark, and the somber, gloomy art fits it. However,
such pieces like Clockwork Beast and Holy Light could of been given to
other, less abstract artist who would of put more details into the
painting. Holy Light just doesn't convey what the card is about, and the
Clockwork Beast could of been done so much nicer if it showed it as a
more mechanical device then a new age "Nude Descending a Staircase". If
you've no idea as to what I'm talking about anymore, sorry, that's 4
years in the Art Department speaking. The upshot is that the problem
isn't Drew Tucker, or his work, or his style (which I kind of like), but
the chosing of which artist gets which card. If all the cards were going
to have basic Anson-esque oil paintings, then Magic would have art by the
likes of Quinton Hoover (a person favorite of mine) on there either.
+Jeff
cu...@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
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Jeff Scott Franzmann
>Well, I just got my copy of Duelist #3 in the mail and guess what? The
>feature artist of the month is Drew Tucker. They show lots of his other
>work. It's all just as bad (IMHO) as the art on cards.
Personally, I love Drew Tucker's work. The first thing I saw from him
was Repentant Blacksmith from Arabian Nights (nope...didn't get a
Power Leak until Revised came out), and I was amazed that WotC had
gone out and commisioned work from someone with his style. Too often,
gaming companies rely on the tried and true formulaic fantasy concepts
which can be churned out in huge quantities. Witness Larry Elmore,
Easley, Anson Maddocks and Mark Tedin to name a few...while I love
all their work, and it has some stylistic differences which makes
them distinguishable as individuals, it is all the SAME. Personally,
I like Maddocks' sculpture a lot more than his paintings...there is
a TON of fantasy style art out there. The art in MtG is less standard
than most (which is a definite plus), but it still follows the same
formulae set down by fantasy artists for other gaming companies.
My personal favourite card, art wise, is Murk Dwellers. It FEELS eerie,
and those 'Dwellers in the purchase look positively undead :).
Oh, incidentally, my three favourite artists in MtG are Tucker/Tedin/
Hoover, in that order :).
>But the funny thing is that we have been discussing (here on the net)
>whether we like him or not. The messages here seem to fall into two
>categories. 1) "His art is really bad." and 2) "Leave him alone, he's
>just expressing himself." Then, a week later, the article comes out,
>indicating that WotC thinks Drew is the best artist they've hired in
>a while. Sigh.
I have to agree with WotC here. Drew is by far one of the best artists
they've hired.
Sincerely,
Jeff Franzmann
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Andy Whitfield
> In article <I08T...@math.fu-berlin.de>
> bi...@its.bldrdoc.gov writes:
>
> > But the funny thing is that we have been discussing (here on the net)
> > whether we like him or not. The messages here seem to fall into two
> > categories. 1) "His art is really bad." and 2) "Leave him alone, he's
> > just expressing himself." Then, a week later, the article comes out,
> > indicating that WotC thinks Drew is the best artist they've hired in
> > a while. Sigh.
>
> On the contrary, I don't think I'm the only one who has expressed
> appreciation for Drew's work. I think his style does more to capture
> the 'feel' of certain cards, especially black and white, than a lot of
> the cartoon illustrations I've seen. There are certain cards that have
> 'representational' art that make me wonder if the artist wasn't looking
> at the wrong text when they concieved it. Drew *is* one of the best
> artists they've hired in a while.
>
>
>
> Matt
> Quod Scripsi, Scripsi.
> Damnant Quod Non Intelligunt.
What about Wanerstrund?? Sigh...Am I the only person who likes his stuff?
Christopher G. Wood
Davi Verzak) wrote:
>
> Yes, the variety is nice, but I think that the art chosen needs
> to fit the card and the general feel of the game. Some of the work he
> did does do so, as in Power Leak, Angry Mob and Ashes to Ashes. All of
> those show movement and convey a feel for what the card is about. I
> originally didn't like Ashes to Ashes, but after thinking about it, it
> *is* a card from the Dark, and the somber, gloomy art fits it. However,
> such pieces like Clockwork Beast and Holy Light could of been given to
> other, less abstract artist who would of put more details into the
> painting. Holy Light just doesn't convey what the card is about, and the
> Clockwork Beast could of been done so much nicer if it showed it as a
> more mechanical device then a new age "Nude Descending a Staircase". If
> you've no idea as to what I'm talking about anymore, sorry, that's 4
> years in the Art Department speaking. The upshot is that the problem
> isn't Drew Tucker, or his work, or his style (which I kind of like), but
> the chosing of which artist gets which card. If all the cards were going
> to have basic Anson-esque oil paintings, then Magic would have art by the
> likes of Quinton Hoover (a person favorite of mine) on there either.
>
> +Jeff
> cu...@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
>
> * We welcome replies to our editorial *
Very well said. Your argument is quite good. For example, I don't
particularly like Foglio-style cartoons on most MtG cards, but his Kobold
(don't remember which one was his) picking his nose was humorous and very
appropriate for the image of Kobolds.
However, I think Drew Tucker could have done a different Holy Light that
you probably would have liked. Part of the problem is that WotC has no
idea what artwork they'll get back when they assign a card to an artist.
For example, I could have seen Tucker do a good Clockwork Beast piece with
abstract machinery and flesh in chaotic motion. That would have fit his
style and the card better. Perhaps that is what WotC had in mind when they
commisioned this piece.
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artists. At least you can glance at their work and recognize it. This is
the way I see it, there are only three people who draw magic cards,
Tucker, Hoover, and everyone else. So clockwork beast isn't my favorite
piece of art, everyone has a bad day now and then. So there's a naked
butt on Holy Light, big deal, its a great picture. And Hoover's work in
Jyhad just doesn't fit, that doesn't make Hoover a bad artist.
Todd Berkebile Adventures for the open minded
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Christopher Cates
: However, I think Drew Tucker could have done a different Holy Light that
: you probably would have liked. Part of the problem is that WotC has no
: idea what artwork they'll get back when they assign a card to an artist.
: For example, I could have seen Tucker do a good Clockwork Beast piece with
: abstract machinery and flesh in chaotic motion. That would have fit his
: style and the card better. Perhaps that is what WotC had in mind when they
: commisioned this piece.
Hmm, I'm not sure what WotC's policy is with their veteran group of MtG
artists, but for new talent at least, they require prelimenary sketches
of the cards before they give the ok (and the impression _I_ got was that
everyone sent in sketches, but I do not know that for sure). The only
exceptions to this that I know of are for pieces that need new art at last
minute. In Jyhad, Wake with Evenings Freshness and Dimple were both
redone by new artists that were given only a couple of days to do the piece
and get it to WotC. I believe a number of others from Jyhad were also
done on a similar late notice. In any case, Tucker would have been a
new talent at WotC at the time the Clockwork Beast was done, so presumabely
they knew a little what it would look like. But, that's fine, because
I like Clockwork Beast. I like a lot of Tucker's work. I think angry
mob is fantastic. I, too, would like too take this moment to say that
the variety is important, and that MtG would be a poorer game without it.
Cheers,
Chris.
c...@wintermute.ucr.edu
Jake Patterson
> In article <Cyo3J...@cs.dal.ca>, <aa...@cfn.cs.dal.ca> writes:
> > : I hope that Drew Tucker's art is not back in the Fallen Empires set, or
> > : any more expansion sets. I really don't like his art, I don't think it
> > : has a place on Magic cards. I can't get a decent picture of what is
> > : going on in his art! The Holy Light card is some a picture of some naked
> > : guy just standing there! If he can paint for the WotC, why can't I?
> >
> > You *must* be kidding, right? Tucker's one of the best they use, far
> > better than Poole...
> In some folk's eyes Drew may be a good artist, but his stuff is so
> abstract and unrelated to the card, that his art should be removed
> from future sets.
> I mean what the heck is Ashes to Ashes a picture of? Or that Ydwen Effret,
> yuck, is that bad. Look at Exorcist, Goblin Caves, Cave People, and People
> of the Woods. Did he just forget to clean up the picture after he painted
> it? All those paint splotches don't add anything but a look of
> unprofessionalism.
Are you nuts? Is this a troll? Drew's work is considered by many many
people (myself included) to be the best in the game. It fits the card
perfectly in every case, except perhaps Clockwork Beast, and that one is
still very good. My favorite card art is Murk Dwellers, the illustration
perfectly matches the feeling of the card.
One of the best aspects of the game is the artistic varity. It would be
a real shame if WotC's criteria for art was that it had to all be detailed
realism (or, for that matter, all abstract.)
jpat...@mole.uvm.edu "Lobotimies for Republicans. It's the Law!"
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Christopher G. Wood
> In article <39lq7q$1...@cpca3.uea.ac.uk>, <u921...@sys.uea.ac.uk> writes:
>
> > Hm. I must admit to not liking DT stuff in general, but he has his (rare)
> > moments- the two you mention especially. Most of the time though, the above
> > ..sig sword would be more welcome on a card IMHO...
>
> Well, I just got my copy of Duelist #3 in the mail and guess what? The
> feature artist of the month is Drew Tucker. They show lots of his other
> work. It's all just as bad (IMHO) as the art on cards.
>
> But the funny thing is that we have been discussing (here on the net)
> whether we like him or not. The messages here seem to fall into two
> categories. 1) "His art is really bad." and 2) "Leave him alone, he's
> just expressing himself." Then, a week later, the article comes out,
And many, many people, myself included, have said 3) His art is wonderful
and evocative.
> indicating that WotC thinks Drew is the best artist they've hired in
> a while. Sigh.
If they keep hiring artists with a variety of styles (well, perhaps not
too much Hamptonesque) then I will continue to relish opening a few packs
of a new sampler as they come out.
>
> -- Bill
Christopher
Christopher F. Byler
True. I prefer art like Hoover, Poole, and Shuler, but YMMV, and Tucker is
definitely a change of pace in artistic style. Not that such variety is of
primary importance in deckbuilding, but.. I've even been known to put in
Justin Hampton cards (yes, even the WORST art card, Reverse Polarity), b/c
some of them are so damned useful. Maybe RV2 will have Rev. Pol. with new
art.. we can only hope. At least there are no Dark I know of with Hampton's
art disgracing them. Hopefully a good omen for the future.
> jpat...@mole.uvm.edu "Lobotimies for Republicans. It's the Law!"
> jpat...@muskrat.uvm.edu
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Tom Wylie
>...There are certain cards that have
>'representational' art that make me wonder if the artist wasn't looking
Actually, the artists typically don't know exactly what a card is going
to do. They just have a name, and perhaps know the color or something.
The inhouse artists seem to have a better idea of what the card does ;)
but still, the art is done before a card has been finalized. Quite often
the card name is even changed after the art has been done. One example
of this is .44 Magnum from Jyhad. Everyone looks at it and says "That's not
a .44 Magnum!"... True. It's a Sig Sauer P220 (or is that B220?), which
is what the card was originally called. In fact, you can see a "Sig Sauer"
on the barrel (esp. in the print of the card).
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Seoman
> Then, a week later, the article comes out, indicating that WotC thinks Drew > is the best artist they've hired in a while. Sigh.
They're right. Whatever he's getting, he deserves more. :-)
Seoman
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Matthew
> But the funny thing is that we have been discussing (here on the net)
> whether we like him or not. The messages here seem to fall into two
> categories. 1) "His art is really bad." and 2) "Leave him alone, he's
> just expressing himself." Then, a week later, the article comes out,
> indicating that WotC thinks Drew is the best artist they've hired in
> a while. Sigh.
On the contrary, I don't think I'm the only one who has expressed
appreciation for Drew's work. I think his style does more to capture
the 'feel' of certain cards, especially black and white, than a lot of
the cartoon illustrations I've seen. There are certain cards that have
'representational' art that make me wonder if the artist wasn't looking
Specter
>bi...@its.bldrdoc.gov spewed forth:
>
>> In article <Cyo3J...@cs.dal.ca>, <aa...@cfn.cs.dal.ca> writes:
>
>> > : I hope that Drew Tucker's art is not back in the Fallen Empires set, or
>> > : any more expansion sets. I really don't like his art, I don't think it
>> > : has a place on Magic cards. I can't get a decent picture of what is
>> > : going on in his art! The Holy Light card is some a picture of some naked
>> > : guy just standing there! If he can paint for the WotC, why can't I?
>> >
>> > You *must* be kidding, right? Tucker's one of the best they use, far
>> > better than Poole...
>
>> In some folk's eyes Drew may be a good artist, but his stuff is so
>> abstract and unrelated to the card, that his art should be removed
>> from future sets.
>
>> I mean what the heck is Ashes to Ashes a picture of? Or that Ydwen Effret,
>> yuck, is that bad. Look at Exorcist, Goblin Caves, Cave People, and People
>> of the Woods. Did he just forget to clean up the picture after he painted
>> it? All those paint splotches don't add anything but a look of
>> unprofessionalism.
>
> Are you nuts? Is this a troll? Drew's work is considered by many many
>people (myself included) to be the best in the game. It fits the card
>perfectly in every case, except perhaps Clockwork Beast, and that one is
>still very good. My favorite card art is Murk Dwellers, the illustration
>perfectly matches the feeling of the card.
Well Ashes to Ashes I didn't mind, and the Murk Dwellers was perfect, but
what is with Holy Light? *shrug* Oh, yeah, and the Clockwork Beast just
looks... strange. The art should have been done in the same style as the
Clockwork Avian, IMHO.
> One of the best aspects of the game is the artistic varity. It would be
>a real shame if WotC's criteria for art was that it had to all be detailed
>realism (or, for that matter, all abstract.)
I like the variety in the card art, but some of the art... Oy vey.
>jpat...@mole.uvm.edu "Lobotimies for Republicans. It's the Law!"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So, like, I take it you were disappointed by election returns?
Specter
(Anyone but Bill and Hilly in '96!)
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Christopher G. Wood
sc...@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Shin Chyang Yu) wrote:
> In article <39ppc6$4...@galaxy.ucr.edu>,
> Christopher Cates <c...@wintermute.ucr.edu> wrote:
> >Christopher G. Wood (wood...@duq3.cc.duq.edu) wrote:
> >done on a similar late notice. In any case, Tucker would have been a
> >new talent at WotC at the time the Clockwork Beast was done, so presumabely
> >they knew a little what it would look like. But, that's fine, because
>
> Actually, Tucker has done at least one AN card, City in a Bottle. So
> he is not that new when AQ rolls around.
Please be more careful with your attributions. I wrote none of the quoted
text, yet you left my name in as an attribution.
COG8
All this Drew Tucker slamming is getting old - if you like him or if you
don't that's fine, but getting personal with bad remarks to Drew or any of
the other artists reminds me of the name calling and whinning elementary
kids take part in. The variety of the art is the greatest part about the
game - let's leave that way and enjoy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KPG