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11.  The Triad  
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 More options Jun 2 2005, 8:27 am
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From: "The Triad" <wande...@beeb.web>
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:27:28 +0100
Local: Thurs, Jun 2 2005 8:27 am
Subject: Re: Your favourite Ultima
"Samurai" <Samu...@dev.nul> wrote in message

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> Quoth Borat <bo...@kazakhstan.org>:
> ...
>> U6 was the first game that I completely obsessed over.  But I'd say
>> U7 even topped it.

> A lot of people say that, but I don't agree.  :)  U7 looked prettier,
> certainly, but its conversation engine was nowhere near as versatile,
> and while the plot as just as non-linear as U6, it got confusing if one
> skipped ahead of Elizabeth and Abraham rather than being led around by
> the nose, following them.

> In U6, it didn't really matter what order one did things -- even
> teleporting to the gargoyle world with the Orb of the Moons at the
> start of the game had a built-in way of balancing things out.

...I've forgotten.  What happened if one just slaughtered all the gargoyles?

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12.  J. P. Morris  
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 More options Jun 2 2005, 2:47 pm
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From: "J. P. Morris" <j...@it-he.org>
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:47:28 +0100
Local: Thurs, Jun 2 2005 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: Your favourite Ultima

The Triad wrote:
>> In U6, it didn't really matter what order one did things -- even
>> teleporting to the gargoyle world with the Orb of the Moons at the
>> start of the game had a built-in way of balancing things out.

> ...I've forgotten.  What happened if one just slaughtered all the
> gargoyles?

He said 'it didn't really matter what ORDER one did things', not
'it didn't really matter what one did'.
U6 isn't self-stabilising enough to prevent sabotage >:-)

There's a lot of ways you could total the game, killing key
plot characters and then burning their corpses.. casting VANISH
on critical objects might work too.

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13.  The Triad  
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 More options Jun 3 2005, 4:16 am
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From: "The Triad" <wande...@beeb.web>
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:16:40 +0100
Local: Fri, Jun 3 2005 4:16 am
Subject: Re: Your favourite Ultima
"J. P. Morris" <j...@it-he.org> wrote in message
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> The Triad wrote:

>>> In U6, it didn't really matter what order one did things -- even
>>> teleporting to the gargoyle world with the Orb of the Moons at the
>>> start of the game had a built-in way of balancing things out.

>> ...I've forgotten.  What happened if one just slaughtered all the
>> gargoyles?

> He said 'it didn't really matter what ORDER one did things', not
> 'it didn't really matter what one did'.
> U6 isn't self-stabilising enough to prevent sabotage >:-)

Ahh.  *smiles*

> There's a lot of ways you could total the game, killing key
> plot characters and then burning their corpses.. casting VANISH
> on critical objects might work too.

*grins*

(How does one burn a corpse?  And what happened if one killed them, but
didn't then burn their corpses?  Or was it that they could be ressurected if
their corpses weren't burned?  *thinks for a moment*  To sum up, more or
less--could one ressurect gargoyles?)

*smiles quietly to self, imagining*

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14.  JP Morris  
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 More options Jun 3 2005, 10:19 am
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From: JP Morris <j...@it-he.org>
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:19:54 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Fri, Jun 3 2005 10:19 am
Subject: Re: Your favourite Ultima

You can't burn corpses, but for about 30 gold a pop, you can get the nice man
in Empath to do it for you.  His eyes gleam fiendishly as he notices the
body you are carrying.

If you kill someone but leave them around, you can resurrect their bodies,
although it isn't always successful (hence my 'undead' utility to resurrect
people's minds).  I've heard there is a way to force a soft-reset of people
using magic (the Charm or Fear spells might work, something that changes
their internal goals) but I've never actually got around to trying it.

If you burn or otherwise lose the body, resurrection becomes vastly more
difficult, although it is possible to achieve with a bit of hacking
(e.g. sacrificing Dupre, and then resurrecting him with the other NPC's
mind).  This also transforms Dupre's body into a more suitable host, so you
won't get Finn etc running around in the form of a knight.
[See the U6 section of my website for the gory details.]

It is impossible to resurrect mature gargoyles in-game.  I don't know about
immature/wingless gargoyles, such as Beh-Lem.
It should be possible to resurrect Dupre's body into a gargoyle, but you
might only get 1/4 of the body or other nasty effects (like when joining
Smith into the party.. his ass gets left behind when he moves around).

Definitely worth trying.. >:-)

[What happens if you resurrect Smith into Dupre's body..?]

> *smiles quietly to self, imagining*

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15.  Samurai  
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From: Samurai <Samu...@dev.nul>
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 01:03:46 +0100
Local: Fri, Jun 3 2005 8:03 pm
Subject: Re: Your favourite Ultima
Quoth JP Morris <j...@it-he.org>:
...

> [What happens if you resurrect Smith into Dupre's body..?]

Lumina might get on a bit better with Smith if he saw him drunk.  And
certainly if he saw him drawn.  ;)
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16.  J. P. Morris  
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 More options Jun 5 2005, 1:36 pm
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From: "J. P. Morris" <j...@it-he.org>
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:36:36 +0100
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Subject: Re: Your favourite Ultima

Samurai wrote:
> Quoth JP Morris <j...@it-he.org>:
> ...
>> [What happens if you resurrect Smith into Dupre's body..?]

> Lumina might get on a bit better with Smith if he saw him drunk.  And
> certainly if he saw him drawn.  ;)

Well, it cuts him in half.  Is that good enough?

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17.  Samurai  
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From: Samurai <nos...@dev.nul>
Date: 06 Jun 2005 23:14:01 GMT
Local: Mon, Jun 6 2005 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: Your favourite Ultima
Quoth "J. P. Morris" <j...@it-he.org>:

> Samurai wrote:
...
>> And certainly if he saw him drawn.  ;)

> Well, it cuts him in half.  Is that good enough?

Hence the comment about being drawn.  :)

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18.  Chris Schumacher  
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 More options Jun 11 2005, 12:21 am
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From: Chris Schumacher <kens...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:21:06 GMT
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Subject: Re: Your favourite Ultima
"J. P. Morris" <j...@it-he.org> wrote in news:42a336bd$0$25428$ed2619ec@ptn-
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> Samurai wrote:

>> Quoth JP Morris <j...@it-he.org>:
>> ...
>>> [What happens if you resurrect Smith into Dupre's body..?]

>> Lumina might get on a bit better with Smith if he saw him drunk.  And
>> certainly if he saw him drawn.  ;)

> Well, it cuts him in half.  Is that good enough?

Are you talking about ressurecting a dead body while they're still in
someone's inventory?
As I recall they simply walk out of the character's icon...

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19.  The Triad  
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 More options Jun 4 2005, 3:29 am
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From: "The Triad" <wande...@beeb.web>
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:29:43 +0100
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Subject: Re: Your favourite Ultima
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...very interesting...

*curiously goes to website to refresh memory*

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20.  The Triad  
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From: "The Triad" <wande...@beeb.web>
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:26:07 +0100
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Subject: Re: Your favourite Ultima
<snip>

Thoughts:  what happens if you give a corpse the number of someone yet
alive?  What happens if you give it the Avatar's number?

Also, what defines a corpse to be a corpse, as far as healers and
cremationists are concerned?  Could 'spare parts' be ordered via Iolo?
Could one have a piece of cheese that one could ressurect into a dead
character, or an edible corpse?  And with the former, if possible, what is
the result of attempting to ressurect the original corpse of the dead
character?

*wonders*

(Also, a more semi-mundane question:  what objects /cannot/ be Animated?
And what do Animated objects generally do, or how do they act?
*...imagines, smiling quietly to himself...*)

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