Fame/Karma sharing
Ryan Stultz
I was walking through the woods collecting reagents (they are all over
Trammel, at this rate, I'll be able to GM in magery without ever buying
anything), and suddenly got a message "You have gained a little karma"
Suprised me a little, since I didn't know walking gave your karma. I thought
for a second, but I knew I hadn't killed anything, since it had been like 5
minute since I even fought anything (and I had run away from that).
Well a little while later two monsters come and attack me,I fight until I'm
down in life, and then run away. About 4 minutes after that, I get (in quick
succesion), two Karma/Fame messages. Then it dawns on me... if you
successfully hit a creature, you get some of the karma/fame when it dies.
Even if you are nowhere near it. So now every monster I see I hit a few
times, then run away.
Hopefully I'll start gaining titles soon ;>
Ryan
Vandelay@architecht.com Art Vandelay
"Ryan Stultz" <rst...@indiana.edu> wrote in message
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> Even if you are nowhere near it. So now every monster I see I hit a few
> times, then run away.
>
> Hopefully I'll start gaining titles soon ;>
>
> Ryan
>
was shared amongst those that are in a party?
Eric A. Hall
> fame/karma was shared amongst those that are in a party?
Anybody that does (significant?) damage gets a portion of the fame, but only
some of it. I found this out while trying to find something that would still
give my Illustrious chars some fame. Ophidian Avengers are the only thing so
far (other than Silver Serpents). When I killed one solo, I got "some fame
and a little karma" but when I shot at one that was already near death from
somebody else's blade spirit, I only got "some fame" and no karma.
So either it's shared or it's really bugged.
The Edge
them once, then leave them be. Later on, if that person were to be killed,
would I lose karma?
>Well, I found an interesting side effect of the new fame rules.
>
>I was walking through the woods collecting reagents (they are all over
>Trammel, at this rate, I'll be able to GM in magery without ever buying
>anything), and suddenly got a message "You have gained a little karma"
>
>Suprised me a little, since I didn't know walking gave your karma. I thought
>for a second, but I knew I hadn't killed anything, since it had been like 5
>minute since I even fought anything (and I had run away from that).
>
>Well a little while later two monsters come and attack me,I fight until I'm
>down in life, and then run away. About 4 minutes after that, I get (in quick
>succesion), two Karma/Fame messages. Then it dawns on me... if you
>successfully hit a creature, you get some of the karma/fame when it dies.
>
The_Vipah
Ryan Stultz <rst...@indiana.edu> wrote in message
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> Well, I found an interesting side effect of the new fame rules.
>
> I was walking through the woods collecting reagents (they are all over
> Trammel, at this rate, I'll be able to GM in magery without ever buying
> anything), and suddenly got a message "You have gained a little karma"
>
> Suprised me a little, since I didn't know walking gave your karma. I
thought
> for a second, but I knew I hadn't killed anything, since it had been like
5
> minute since I even fought anything (and I had run away from that).
>
> Well a little while later two monsters come and attack me,I fight until
I'm
> down in life, and then run away. About 4 minutes after that, I get (in
quick
> succesion), two Karma/Fame messages. Then it dawns on me... if you
> successfully hit a creature, you get some of the karma/fame when it dies.
>
> Even if you are nowhere near it. So now every monster I see I hit a few
> times, then run away.
>
> Hopefully I'll start gaining titles soon ;>
>
> Ryan
>
>
Brian
>It has interesting possibilities. Question: let's say I attack someone, hit
>them once, then leave them be. Later on, if that person were to be killed,
>would I lose karma?
>
wandering healer. We all lost alot of fame or karma (cant remeber which) for
that.
Apteryx
I thought I saw where all who do more than 30% of whoever did most
damage get full fame & karma. At some point an Illustrious character
will fail to get fame/karma from Ophidian Avengers and Silver Serpents.
You need to move on to Ophidian Matriachs (or the favourite of my
Illustrious/Glorious characters, Lich Lords).
Apteryx
Eric A. Hall
> from Ophidian Avengers and Silver Serpents.
It was in the opposite order: I got "a little fame" from assisting a kill
(which surprised me because I hadn't found anything to give me fame in T2A
before this), and then I got "some fame and karma" from a solo kill on an
Ophidian Avenger. Avengers and Knights are the only things doing it for me
now, at least in the Ter/Ophid neighborhood.
> You need to move on to Ophidian Matriachs (or the favourite of my
> Illustrious/Glorious characters, Lich Lords).
Ophid and Ter Matriarchs are no longer giving my Illustrious characters any
fame/karma. I think they jiggered the fame tables when they jiggered the
loot. Also, see other thread, but a poison elemental didn't give up any
fame/karma to my Illustrious mage, either.
I haven't tried any of the other things that are supposed to give lots of
fame yet. I'll try some Liche Lords later on.
Katherine
>I hope this is not on purpose. Not very realistic in the least.
I'm thinking perhaps it's like the ability to give murder counts to anyone
who does damage, as long as you die before your health returns to 100%.
Perhaps as long as the monster's health doesn't return to 100%, you get
partial credit for the kill.
Or maybe it's just messed up, which is probably a more likely bet at this
point.
Katherine, Grandmaster Healer
Ciaran, Lia Fail Empire (Atlantic)
Eric A. Hall
> of fame yet. I'll try some Liche Lords later on.
Okay, just killed three titans. Two of them I killed with eb/exp/fs by
myself, and one of them I shared with another guy.
For the two solo kills, I got "a lot of fame and a lot of karma." Since my
mage is Illustrious, according to the old charts I should have only gotten
some-little fame/karma. So, Titans have been bumped up.
On the kill that I shared, I got "some fame" but no karma. I'm assuming that
I'm not gettting karma from shared kills because I've never done much of
anything to bring karma down, although fame falls a lot from getting killed.
EG, I have more karma than I would get from the points, so I don't get any.
But I don't know. It may just be that fame is the only thing shared, while
karma is not, although posts to the contrary have been made.
Loot was between 500-800 gp on each, plus two gems. The first titan also had
two magic items (wooden shield and pickaxe) and three gems, which might have
been from it not having been killed all day.
This was on Feluccia. Interestingly, lots of other chars running around, and
none of them were jerks. Tamer showed up with dragon and agreed very
politely not to attack the titan, even before I explaiined what I was doing.
Ryan Stultz
"Katherine" <ka...@mhn.org> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 03:06:50 GMT, "The_Vipah" <oho...@cnx.net> wrote:
>
> >I hope this is not on purpose. Not very realistic in the least.
>
> I'm thinking perhaps it's like the ability to give murder counts to anyone
> who does damage, as long as you die before your health returns to 100%.
> Perhaps as long as the monster's health doesn't return to 100%, you get
> partial credit for the kill.
>
> Or maybe it's just messed up, which is probably a more likely bet at this
> point.
>
It would make sense if it were this way. Because even if you didn't do
significant damage, or didn't stick around to kill it, you did you part to
help kill it. So you should get a part (small, but a part) of the
fame/karma. But if it healed to full health before it was killed, then you
really didn't do anything to help kill it.
Ryan
Juergen Tobler
"Eric A. Hall" wrote:
> For the two solo kills, I got "a lot of fame and a lot of karma." Since my
> mage is Illustrious, according to the old charts I should have only gotten
> some-little fame/karma. So, Titans have been bumped up.
i have always got "a lot of fame" from killing a titan; and my char used
to be illu or glorious. maybe near the "lord" it's getting less. but
usually i die before reaching that zone... :)
> Loot was between 500-800 gp on each, plus two gems. The first titan also had
> two magic items (wooden shield and pickaxe) and three gems, which might have
> been from it not having been killed all day.
that sounds cool! they used to have around 400gp, maybe a gem and
sometimes a magic weapon/armor...
what's about their magic ability? did it change dramatically?
polymorphing, healing, curing, teleporting? still have no rune to their
valley...
btw other monsters for illu/glorious chars: matriachs (both), dragons,
poison elemental, blood elemental, ice fiends, ogre lord, liche lord;
all of them give you "a lot of fame"...
Dante, Drachenfels
GM mage atlast :))
Otara
>I haven't tried any of the other things that are supposed to give lots of
>fame yet. I'll try some Liche Lords later on.
I got nothing from them last night at Admirable.
I get the impression theres a share system going on, and if your share
is below some kind of threshold for your current level you get
nothing.
Either that or I'm just getting nothing full stop.
Otara
Eric A. Hall
> polymorphing, healing, curing, teleporting? still have no rune to their
> valley...
The only two odd things were (1) they resisted the poison from the blade
spirits that another mage was throwing around, and (2) the bastard titans
cured their cyclopedian warrior friens! lol
> btw other monsters for illu/glorious chars: matriachs (both), dragons,
> poison elemental, blood elemental, ice fiends, ogre lord, liche lord;
> all of them give you "a lot of fame"...
Yah well, that's the thing. Neither of my illustriuos chars are getting any
fame/karma from matriarchs, and my illustrious mage didn't get any from a
poison elemental. I'm trying to see what other changes were made.
Richard Cortese
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> This was on Trammel. Interestingly, lots of other chars running around,
and
> none of them were jerks. Tamer showed up with dragon and agreed very
> politely not to attack the titan, even before I explaiined what I was
doing.
bet the tamer left the area to let you continue because there is just about
no way a tamer can keep a pet out of a fight.
It is kind of annoying with all the stuff the dragons or bears or whatever
just take it upon themselves to attack. I wasn't joking about taking a
dragon into Covetous 2 and having them teleport 1/2 way through the dungeon
everytime something attacked it with my character following behind yelling
"ALL FOLLOW ME".
Sometimes it is good, like when you lose connection, but I expect to see a
lot of people calling dragon wranglers kill stealers. Just make sure you see
a "a Kill" before you accuse them.
Another off hand comment, you now get a message when you use the "all kill"
command that it doesn't work. I sit here puzzled, it never had worked, so is
this an admission that it is broken or OSI taking credit for a bug as a
feature that avoids an exploit?
Juergen Tobler
"Eric A. Hall" wrote:
> The only two odd things were (1) they resisted the poison from the blade
> spirits that another mage was throwing around, and (2) the bastard titans
> cured their cyclopedian warrior friens! lol
*hehe* as long as they don't cast EV on you when low on mana it's all
fine :))
> Yah well, that's the thing. Neither of my illustriuos chars are getting any
> fame/karma from matriarchs, and my illustrious mage didn't get any from a
> poison elemental. I'm trying to see what other changes were made.
the last days i noticed that my glorious mage gets a "good amount of
fame" for killing liches which has never happened before the patch...
?!?
Dante, Drachenfels
Nate
kill"
> command that it doesn't work. I sit here puzzled, it never had worked, so
is
> this an admission that it is broken or OSI taking credit for a bug as a
> feature that avoids an exploit?
I believe the comment is something about "The 'all' option cannot be used
with a targeting command" (such as kill or attack) But it does make the
closest pet perform the command...
Eric A. Hall
> fame" for killing liches which has never happened before the patch...
Same here. I took my Illustrious mage to Deceit last night to test some
stuff and kept getting "a good amount" of fame and karma from regular
liches. They used to stop giving fame at the high-end of admirable.
Only killed one Lord, but shared the kill with an archer, so only split the
fame with him. Don't know what they're giving out but I'm going to assume
it's "a lot."
Also, the regular liches are hitting a LOT HARDER in melee than they were
before the patch. They're still really easy to kill with spells (2-4 sixth
circle do it), but in close combat they are much more dangerous than they
used to be.
Juergen Tobler
"Eric A. Hall" wrote:
> Also, the regular liches are hitting a LOT HARDER in melee than they were
> before the patch. They're still really easy to kill with spells (2-4 sixth
> circle do it), but in close combat they are much more dangerous than they
> used to be.
yepp, i shared similar experience. i'm used to kill them by magic (1 fs
+ 1-2 ebs) but then i tried to kill them with my bow, not silver
(archery = 95). it took me 15 or more arrows to kill one. but 'cause of
still giving me fame and carrying moonstones (back to fel) they are my
favorite victims now :))
i also noticed that a magic arrow or a melee attack by a lich did not
cancel my inmobility caused by a paralyze; but good old trapped chests
do *g*...
last but not least you are right. PE don't give any fame/karma anymore.
killed two yesterday down in deceit and got zero fame/karma...
Dante, Drachenfels
eha...@cb.monarch.net
>Sometimes it is good, like when you lose connection, but I expect to see a
>lot of people calling dragon wranglers kill stealers.
Hmmmm....sounds like you are playing EQ.....jmo