Definite Blue Townkill Exploit in progress
Quaestor
body. He had been killed while blue in town 3 times, and the guards did not
respond when he called.
Even if he were in thieves guild, you cannot attack him while blue, unless he
perma to you.
This goes along with numerous reports of such townkills in the last several
days, with no explanation being offered, no pattern to give an idea how it is
being done.
Corwin of Amber (WE/LS)
wrote:
>I saw some counselors talking to a guy again today, standing over his blue
>body. He had been killed while blue in town 3 times, and the guards did not
>respond when he called.
>
>Even if he were in thieves guild, you cannot attack him while blue, unless he
>perma to you.
Not true. Anyone can kill a perma-thief in town, but they will die
grey.
He could had been grey to his attacker. He would stay grey to the
attacker for 2 minutes, even after he died.
Xigam
wrote:
>
>Even if he were in thieves guild, you cannot attack him while blue, unless he
>perma to you.
>
Are you sure about this? I thought you could attack permagreys
anytime.. blue or not.
Damocles
wrote:
>I saw some counselors talking to a guy again today, standing over his blue
>body. He had been killed while blue in town 3 times, and the guards did not
>respond when he called.
>
>Even if he were in thieves guild, you cannot attack him while blue, unless he
>perma to you.
>
>This goes along with numerous reports of such townkills in the last several
>days, with no explanation being offered, no pattern to give an idea how it is
>being done.
>
Lots of thieves are too stupid to realize that they go perma when they
successfully steal from NPCs. I have fun picking them off by the banks
and watching them scream and yell about exploits. Some probably call
counselors.
Tip: if you steal from someone and do not get the message "you are not
in the thieves' guild", they are flagged. If they were blue and you
still get this message, they are perma flagged thieves. This can be
done safely in town.
Xigam
wrote:
>Tip: if you steal from someone and do not get the message "you are not
>in the thieves' guild", they are flagged. If they were blue and you
>still get this message, they are perma flagged thieves. This can be
>done safely in town.
Ahh.. when skill locks come in I will be alot more brave about this..
;-)... currently, I risk lossing too much skills if I were to
successfully steal.
- Xigam
ML
day in town, turned gray, and was able to get away. A short while later
after looking for him, I see him just inside the town boundary and he's
blue. He promptly states "Why don't you attack me you moron? I'm perma gray
to you?" I could've taken him on easily but didn't want to get guard
whacked. Even though I saw him as blue, was he really still gray to me?
Steel
Xigam <xi...@removethisjunk.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:381c212f....@news3.ibm.net...
> On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:43:35 -0700, Quaestor <Range...@Skara.Brae>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Even if he were in thieves guild, you cannot attack him while blue,
unless he
> >perma to you.
> >
>
Quaestor
> How does this perma gray thing work anyway? A thief stole from me the other
> day in town, turned gray, and was able to get away. A short while later
> after looking for him, I see him just inside the town boundary and he's
> blue. He promptly states "Why don't you attack me you moron? I'm perma gray
> to you?" I could've taken him on easily but didn't want to get guard
> whacked. Even though I saw him as blue, was he really still gray to me?
A thief in the thieves guild can be Murdered without penalty, even attacked
without going criminal (I think), BUT attacking them in town is still going to
get you guardwhacked.
BUT a thief that has stollen from You is perma-gray to You, and you can attack
him anywhere, anytime, with no guards or anything else interfering. Problem
is, until you do so you will not know for sure that he IS perma-gray to you.
Testing this in town requires that you take the risk that he isn't, in which
case you are criminal, and you die.
It has been a common thief trick for some time to steal, get away, get Killed
to remove the perma-gray, then go back and try to get the victim to attack. I
have even seen the kind where there were two characters with identical names
and appearances. One would steal and run. The other would be found. Players
would attack that one, assuming he had to be perma, and get guardkilled. Other
players have two characters of their own with the same name to pull this trick.
All this and more is why I keep saying the game would be far better with NO pvp
stealing at all. The old excuse was that thieves figured in some fantasy
novels (they always said "all fantasy novels"). Well, this is not a fantasy
novel. It's a game, and it is very seriously screwed up by the presence of pvp
thieving.
Quaestor
> Tip: if you steal from someone and do not get the message "you are not
> in the thieves' guild", they are flagged. If they were blue and you
> still get this message, they are perma flagged thieves. This can be
> done safely in town.
That's if you don't get caught stealing.
Damocles
wrote:
No it's not, if you aren't in the guild than you can only steal from
flagged players. Any other players give you the "you are not in the
thieve's guild" message. If you're in the guild, stealing from other
players in town is totally safe...you either get the above message or
they perma flagged and can be safely robbed and / or killed. The only
thing you have to watch for it accidentally robbing a npc.
Damocles
wrote:
>ML wrote:
>
>> How does this perma gray thing work anyway? A thief stole from me the other
>> day in town, turned gray, and was able to get away. A short while later
>> after looking for him, I see him just inside the town boundary and he's
>> blue. He promptly states "Why don't you attack me you moron? I'm perma gray
>> to you?" I could've taken him on easily but didn't want to get guard
>> whacked. Even though I saw him as blue, was he really still gray to me?
>
>A thief in the thieves guild can be Murdered without penalty, even attacked
>without going criminal (I think), BUT attacking them in town is still going to
>get you guardwhacked.
This is not the complete story. Here's how it breaks down:
1) If a thief has successfully (a failed attempt is simply a 2 minute
flag) robbed a PC or NPC, he is permanently flagged until death. He
will still SEEM to be blue unless he has successfully robbed you since
dying, in which case he will also appear grey. Use my stealing trick
to figure out if these blue thieves are perma flagged or not.
2) If a thief is in the guild, he can never give anyone a murder
count. If attacked within the 2 minute special criminal flagging after
stealing, he cannot defend himself. If the thief has not stolen from a
blue PC / NPC since dying, the attacker will still receive a criminal
flag (but not a count) and will be guard whacked.
3) If the thief is not in the guild, he can never rob a blue PC. Greys
(including perma flagged chars who seem blue) and reds are fair game.
This is why the stealing from blues trick works to find a perma
flagged thief - any person who is not permanently flagged simply
returns a message that you are not in the guild, with no criminal flag
set.
Richard Cortese
news:3VrS3.1236$zd.2...@news1.alsv1.occa.home.com...
> How does this perma gray thing work anyway? A thief stole from me the
other
> day in town, turned gray, and was able to get away. A short while later
> after looking for him, I see him just inside the town boundary and he's
> blue. He promptly states "Why don't you attack me you moron? I'm perma
gray
> to you?" I could've taken him on easily but didn't want to get guard
> whacked. Even though I saw him as blue, was he really still gray to me?
>
He was setting you up IMO. If someone steals from you, you can attack them
even if they are blue if they haven't died in the interim. For that matter,
any thieving including from NPCs will flag someone as perma gray and
attackable by anyone anywhere.
But I am betting he stole from you, suicided, then came back to a guard area
to try and taunt you into an attack so he could get you guard killed.
Next time he does that, saddle up next to him and try to steal from him.
Since you aren't in the thieves guild, if he is not perma flagged you will
get the message "You aren't a member of the thieves guild". If he is perma
flagged, you will get ~1% gain in stealing, a trivial noto hit, and can kill
him w/o getting guard whacked.
ML
Uwe Fischer
3VrS3.1236$zd.2...@news1.alsv1.occa.home.com...
> How does this perma gray thing work anyway? A thief stole
from me the other
> day in town, turned gray, and was able to get away. A
short while later
> after looking for him, I see him just inside the town
boundary and he's
> blue. He promptly states "Why don't you attack me you
moron? I'm perma gray
> to you?" I could've taken him on easily but didn't want to
get guard
> whacked. Even though I saw him as blue, was he really
still gray to me?
You can only see it, if you are using forensic evaluation.
Regards
Grizwood, Seneschall (MTB), Drachenfels
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/autumnvision/
Elite
Uwe Fischer 撰寫於文章 <7vmigg$oum$6...@news.cityweb.de>...
Dragon Talon
ON YOU GUYS if hes perma grey the warning wont come up if hes killed himself
or died it will
ML wrote in message <3VrS3.1236$zd.2...@news1.alsv1.occa.home.com>...
>How does this perma gray thing work anyway? A thief stole from me the other
>day in town, turned gray, and was able to get away. A short while later
>after looking for him, I see him just inside the town boundary and he's
>blue. He promptly states "Why don't you attack me you moron? I'm perma gray
>to you?" I could've taken him on easily but didn't want to get guard
>whacked. Even though I saw him as blue, was he really still gray to me?
>
Eric A. Hall
> actually theres a real simple way to see if hes perma grey KEEP NOTO
> QUERY ON YOU GUYS if hes perma grey the warning wont come up if hes
> killed himself or died it will
This is wrong. I get noto queried when I kill permas.