Death of Delstar Dotstar, or How I finally met an interesting PK (long)
Ingot Head
Smithing though, Ingot Head came up in dire need of ingots, and with
restrictions to containers, rampant PKers preying on miners, and the
dissapearance of public forges, ingots simply cannot be found.
Back to the cliffs. I rigged up my boat, took some shovels, and sailed to
the cliffs at the top of the map for a mining session. For the first time,
I set up a macro, made sure the boat was secure, hid myself, and let Ingot
Head chip away all night. Got a decent haul, but not enough for the massive
demand. Since I needed Ingot Head to smith, I brought in Delstar to take
out the boat for another run last night. I didn't know I had just gotten
lucky the first night.
Delstar parked in a good place with two mining zones in reach, and started
flailing. I took the same precautions, left the sound on, and went to bed.
Now I know that leaving a character macroing is dangerous, and I was taking
a risk, but mining is so crippled, I didn't think I had a choice.
At about 4:00 a.m., I woke up, and turned over to go back to sleep. At this
point I heard footsteps coming from my computer in the next room. I piled
out of bed, and ran in my underwear to the computer, only to see the "you
are dead" screen.
Now, my characters aren't rich. Delstar has very little, and it was all on
him, or in the boat. In addition, in my ignorance, I had keys on me to my
house and the boat. I had no idea that someone could reach over the side of
the boat to get the stuff off your dead body. The footsteps I heard were of
people walking around on my boat. They had killed me, gotten the keys from
my body, and let themselves aboard.
Tip number one. Always strip everything off of you and put it in the hold.
The names of the people were Jack [The Ripper BTF], SIR DARKNESS (note the
all caps), and Anna [Black Widow BTF]. Jack tried to res me, but the game
said "you can not ressurect here". When I told Jack this (through Black's
ss skill), he didn't believe me, and started calling me names for not
ressing. He sailed to a shore, and told me to get off. At this point I had
2 revelations. Number one, if I got off that ship, he would sail away with
my keys, and I would never see my boat again. Numer two, he was a cheater,
a UOE user.
For support on this second point, let me tell you the following. I was a
ghost. I should not have been visible as long as I wasn't in war mode, or
speaking. Again and again, I raised the plank to pretend I had gotten off,
and he walked right up to me and started screaming for me to get off the
boat. NOTHING legal could have allowed him to see a peace mode, silent
ghost. Even without the plank, he repeatedly tried casting Gate on me, each
time it landed exactly where I was standing, even though I hadn't spoken,
and the other two characters kept asking him if I was still there.
I looked back in the journal later to when they attacked me. The other two
kept casting firewalls and missing, but Jack kept telling them were I was,
and directing their efforts. He could see me, when nobody else could.
It was a long night after this. Jack repeatedly abused me verbally, calling
me stupid, while he was unable to spell half the words he spoke. Anna had
asked for my ICQ, and we were conversing. She kept asking me to get off the
boat with her so she could help me, but I thought it was a trick, and
wouldn't leave the boat. He robbed many boats of their ore. I won't go
into the method, but let me tell you that your ore is NOT safe no matter
where on the deck you put it. The way he stole was simple, and could be
done by almost anyone.
Jack wanted to rob me blind, take the boat, and even find my house. Anna
was the more reasonable one, wanting to take money, ore and armor, and leave
me my boat and tools. Eventually, despite Jack's cursing, Anna did what I
asked, and left the keys in the hold. I sailed off immediately, and went to
Moonglow to be ressed, since Moonglow was remote and had a healer near the
docks.
While I sailed around ressing and getting my boat docked (since they had
copied my keys), I had long conversations with Anna. She kept asking me to
allow her to make some restitution, and when I told her Jack was using UOE,
she got very mad. PKing was ok in her book, but 3rd party programs allowing
her to cheat infuriated her. She felt responsible that she had firefielded
me with the illegal guidance of Jack's UOE.
Eventually, I got to Vesper, docked my ship, ran to Minoc, and she met me at
the bank. She gave me back my money, my weapon, and gated me to her vendor
where she gave me replacement regs. I felt she should be rewarded for her
honesty, and gave her a set of 36 ar armor, with her giving me 1000 gp to
offset the cost of the ingots. (On Atlantic, 36 ar goes for 3k) She said
she knew Undertaker, and we chatted for awhile. She had given me back
everything she had taken that had been mine, and allowed me to keep my boat.
I felt such behaviour, so atypical of PK's, was worthy of the gift of some
armor. She reminded me a little of Lady Compassion.
If all PK's were like her, and if there were a LOT fewer of them, I wouldn't
mind so much. Cheating, abusive idiots like Jack are the norm, and they run
rampant. They are what makes PK'ing so offensive, and they are the ones
that comprise 90% of the PK population. If we could get rid of the Jacks,
the Anna's would comprise a small population of PK's that play by the rules,
role-play, and don't greedily strip you of EVERYTHING at the first
opportunity. Pk'ing would become part of the game, and not the pervasive,
omnipresent rape that it is right now.
Ian
i die in dungeons like this - unless all these guys in Covetous level 1 are
UOE users;) Its a bug.. i think.
Second, maybe he could of tracked you.
Ingot Head wrote in message ...
The Philosopher Primus
> If all PK's were like her, and if there were a LOT fewer of them, I wouldn't
> mind so much.
That, however, is not the case. And she is a pk. If I could drive her from the
game, off the internet, and out into the street to spend the rest of her life
begging for quarters I would do it.
Afterall, THAT is just a game for me.
Steven Fisher
wrote:
>Sometimes ghosts even not in combat are visable, lots of people see me when
>i die in dungeons like this - unless all these guys in Covetous level 1 are
>UOE users;) Its a bug.. i think.
>Second, maybe he could of tracked you.
Tracking doesn't work.
Or didn't, anyway.
Ingot Head
Ian wrote in message <72lts7$f2...@dagger.videotron.ab.ca>...
>Sometimes ghosts even not in combat are visable, lots of people see me when
>i die in dungeons like this - unless all these guys in Covetous level 1 are
>UOE users;) Its a bug.. i think.
>Second, maybe he could of tracked you.
Tracking doesn't work on ghosts, and this doesn't explain how he directed
the efforts of his companions to firefield me. You don't have to be in War
mode to be seen, if you speak at all, you'll notice that the pointer turns
red for a few seconds. When you speak as a ghost, it kicks you in war mode
for a few seconds so people can see you. He walked right up to me multiple
times and while I was in different places on the boat, when the pointer was
normal color, and I hadn't moved or spoken for several minutes.
Ingot Head
Atlantic
Lars Friedrich
Ingot Head wrote:
>If all PK's were like her, and if there were a LOT fewer of them, I
wouldn't
>mind so much. Cheating, abusive idiots like Jack are the norm,
you mean people, who are using 3rd party programs to get an advantage over
players who aren't using them?
like 3rd party macro programs?
*STRIKE*
Ingot Head
>
>you mean people, who are using 3rd party programs to get an advantage over
>players who aren't using them?
>like 3rd party macro programs?
>
>
>
>*STRIKE*
OSI has said that macroing isn't illegal, although I will admit it is
borderline. UO's official position is that if you use the program to do
something that you could do sitting at the computer, it's not illegal, nor
is it cheating. If you are using a program to do something you would not
have otherwise been able to do, it is cheating, and their stated example is
the ability to see people that are invisible.
I'll admit that macroing is detrimental to role-playing, and a bit on the
off-color side. It's more toward power gaming than I like, and it was only
the restrictions that have been placed on mining that made me finally cave
in and do it.
Your comparing it to UOE is absolutely stupid though. The stated rules by
the designer of the game are contrary to that.
Sorry, Gutter Ball.
Ingot Head
GM Smith
Atlantic
Ian
sense there.. some there..
But the guy still could of been exploiting, just saying he also could of
been doing this and that instead of that and this.
Steven Fisher wrote in message <72m09u$3o4$1...@news.bctel.net>...
>In article <72lts7$f2...@dagger.videotron.ab.ca> , "Ian" <i...@v-wave.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Sometimes ghosts even not in combat are visable, lots of people see me
when
>>i die in dungeons like this - unless all these guys in Covetous level 1
are
>>UOE users;) Its a bug.. i think.
>>Second, maybe he could of tracked you.
>
Ian
Ingot Head wrote in message ...
>
>Ian wrote in message <72lts7$f2...@dagger.videotron.ab.ca>...
>>Sometimes ghosts even not in combat are visable, lots of people see me
when
>>i die in dungeons like this - unless all these guys in Covetous level 1
are
>>UOE users;) Its a bug.. i think.
>>Second, maybe he could of tracked you.
>
>
Lars Friedrich
Ingot Head wrote:
>OSI has said that macroing isn't illegal, although I will admit it is
>borderline.
what kind of macroing?
they clearly said that macroing using a 3rd party program is a banable
offense...
> UO's official position is that if you use the program to do
>something that you could do sitting at the computer, it's not illegal, nor
>is it cheating. If you are using a program to do something you would not
>have otherwise been able to do, it is cheating, and their stated example is
>the ability to see people that are invisible.
>I'll admit that macroing is detrimental to role-playing, and a bit on the
>off-color side. It's more toward power gaming than I like, and it was only
>the restrictions that have been placed on mining that made me finally cave
>in and do it.
ohhhh..the restrictions forced you to macro...
all those monsters force me to macro because they are so tough
all those expensive items force me to macro because i want to make money
fast
all those other powergames force me to macro
...
stop looking for excuses
>Your comparing it to UOE is absolutely stupid though. The stated rules by
>the designer of the game are contrary to that.
Sorry, to correct you, but 3rd party macro programs are a ban reason...
You should read the section more carefully... macro programs allow you to
perform tasks while not at the computer...thats not only a borderline and
not 'a bit on the off-color side'
and my comparing is 100% logical...
They both allow you to get an illegal advantage
to be exactly:
JACK, I LOVE YOU...KILL ALL THOSE MACROERS
Ingot Head
Lars Friedrich wrote in message ...
>they clearly said that macroing using a 3rd party program is a banable
>offense...
Umm, Actually they said that using any kind third party UTILITY is a
bannable offense. In addition, they prefaced that by saying that if you
were trying to decide wether your program or utility was illegal, that you
should ask yourself wether or not it allows you to do things you wouldn't
otherwise be able to do. You're right that just a few weeks before this
they said that ALL other programs were bannable. This would include ICQ, or
even UO Curse, which is only a gui speaking tool.
We were getting mixed message at this point, I am following the rules as I
last heard them, not at their most restrictive.
>>I'll admit that macroing is detrimental to role-playing, and a bit on the
>>off-color side. It's more toward power gaming than I like, and it was
only
>>the restrictions that have been placed on mining that made me finally cave
>>in and do it.
>ohhhh..the restrictions forced you to macro...
>all those monsters force me to macro because they are so tough
>all those expensive items force me to macro because i want to make money
>fast
>all those other powergames force me to macro
>...
>stop looking for excuses
Um, please read more carefully before acusing me of rationalizing. I wasn't
saying that restrictions caused me to break the rules, I still don't believe
I've broken any rules. I just said that the restrictions caused me to power
game more that I was comfortable with. And the stated goal wasn't to get
rich, hell I've been a GM for months, and barely have enough gp to buy my
ingots. If I wanted to get rich, I could have done it a long time ago. I
only want to service my regular customer's requests for the new plate and
weapons during a time of high demand.
>Sorry, to correct you, but 3rd party macro programs are a ban reason...
>You should read the section more carefully... macro programs allow you to
>perform tasks while not at the computer...thats not only a borderline and
>not 'a bit on the off-color side'
>and my comparing is 100% logical...
>They both allow you to get an illegal advantage
>
>to be exactly:
>JACK, I LOVE YOU...KILL ALL THOSE MACROERS
Hmm. You certainly seem to live in a world of no moral ambiguity. It must
be nice to know that your opinions are absolutely right, and require no
debate or thought on your part. Hell, it seems that you are so right that
people that disagree with you are fair game to cheat against, to PK, and to
rob blind.
I envy you your perfection.
Ingot Head
Atlantic