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Anasazi

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I've seen many attempt it, which usually results in the inevitable (insert kewl
name here i.e.) "Phred da Killa begins to spasm uncontrollably." Followed by
the obligatory OoOOoOoOOoo. I tried two times with my 4x GM warrior, the
Illustrious Neuro, who died both times after receiving deadly poison. In
short, I think that without a mage nearby to do quick cures, it's next to
impossible to melee a P.E. I did manage to kill a few last night with
Madhammer, the mage.

My advice....develop your hiding skill. It's great to stand in the lich room,
watching a half-dozen people run around and get killed, while you're in a
nervous, hidden state huddled in the corner. lol

Good luck.

Anasazi Dragon

Luke wrote:

> Hey all.
> Can a fighter malee / beat a pois ele??
> im at 100 swds,75 heal,96 anat,and woking up lumber jack,armour is at 68
> ,and i have a good vanq and power swords,
> dex is 80 in plate and str at 100
> So is it possible to take on these green gas beasts on?
> ive herd of people doing it.I tryed a while back and got creamed,my tactics
> were all wrong tho!!
> any helps is welcomed.Im sick of running everytime i see one.
> Theres nothin funnier than being in the lich rooom and you see 3-4 guys go
> racing buy!!! u know whats commin....
> thanx.
>
> Jack of all master of one :)


Luke

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Mistress Morrigan

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The only way I knew of to melee a PE was to teleport back and forth in the
shroom room and let the shrooms just about kill the PE then you get him with
the kill shot. But since OSI appears to have turned off all
gating/recalling/teleporting in there its useless now so the only way is
with a mage handy as backup to cure you when you don't do it fast enough.

Poison elementals, Blood Elementals, Dragons and wyrms, Balrons and Deamons
all appear to be pretty much Mage only monsters... not sure about Titans and
Cyclops and/or Terathean and Ophidian Matriarchs but I would guess they fall
into the same catagory. I suppose Ogre Lords fall here too. Silver Serpents
would definatly fall in the mage only catagory.

Liche Lords are more suited to Melee fighters as are lower level Ophidians
and Teratheans including all surface spawn and a large majority of dungon
spawn.

While on average the vast majority of monsters can be nailed with a dex
monkey... I think that due to the difficulty of magery trainning to a
high/GM level that in just about every RPG game there are a number of high
level monsters that can only be taken out with magery or mage assistance for
healing purposes.
Now while this may seem unfair in favor of mages... remember once a mage
mana dumps they are pretty much helpless unless they have another skill they
can use which isn't a weapon ( we have to run away and sit there visible not
even talking to meditate making us sitting ducks ). Melee fighters can
pretty much wade in and whack away and heal not only themselves but other
warriors w/o having to disengage from combat. This dosen't even take into
account the massive AR differences between a dex monkey and a mage. I.E.
plate/chain Vs plain leather.

So while the melee warrior can take down a larger majority of Sosaria
spawn... some monsters just can't be tackled w/o use of magik

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As Macha she is Goddess of war and fertility
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Patrick B Fisher

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Mistress Morrigan (winte...@cyberspace.org) wrote:
: Poison elementals, Blood Elementals, Dragons and wyrms, Balrons and Deamons

: all appear to be pretty much Mage only monsters... not sure about Titans and
: Cyclops and/or Terathean and Ophidian Matriarchs but I would guess they fall
: into the same catagory. I suppose Ogre Lords fall here too. Silver Serpents
: would definatly fall in the mage only catagory.

I've meleed silver serpents and daemons with my dex monkey.

<snip>

: So while the melee warrior can take down a larger majority of Sosaria


: spawn... some monsters just can't be tackled w/o use of magik

However, these monsters simply weren't meant to be fought alone, period.
A team of good warriors with healing and plenty of bandages can take down
anything. 5 warriors standing around a dragon, each healing the guy next
to them, will make short work of it. Warriors scale much better than
mages, because of mana and the damage healed with bandages. The problem
is that UO seems to lack the social aspect it was designed for, and
you never see a few warriors beating on a high-level monster.

No single mage can take down any of these high level monsters and make a
profit (unless there's a treasure map). A mage can kill them eventually
because his attacks are ranged, but the cost in regs is too much to
actually profit from these beasts. It's a shame that so much money can be
made by beating on weak earth elementals, but tackling a dragon solo nets
you next to nothing.


Mistress Morrigan

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> No single mage can take down any of these high level monsters and make a
> profit (unless there's a treasure map). A mage can kill them eventually
> because his attacks are ranged, but the cost in regs is too much to
> actually profit from these beasts.

Actually if we can trap them we can take them down solo... I trap Dragons
and Balrons and kill them solo... I admit... if I had to do it where they
could actually hit me I would take a dirtnap... I have before when the
balron got too close and I went down..

But with enough time and room to manuver... a mage can solo most monsters

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Mistress Morrigan (Trinity Goddess)
Pronunciation {mor-rig-ahn}
=
High Queen and Goddess of the Tuatha Dé Danann.
As Macha she is Goddess of war and fertility
As Badb she is the water-goddess whose sacred well is a source of knowledge.
As Neman she is the goddess of war and battle.

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"Patrick B Fisher" <pbfi...@blue.seas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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> Mistress Morrigan (winte...@cyberspace.org) wrote:
> : Poison elementals, Blood Elementals, Dragons and wyrms, Balrons and
Deamons
> : all appear to be pretty much Mage only monsters... not sure about Titans
and
> : Cyclops and/or Terathean and Ophidian Matriarchs but I would guess they
fall
> : into the same catagory. I suppose Ogre Lords fall here too. Silver
Serpents
> : would definatly fall in the mage only catagory.
>
> I've meleed silver serpents and daemons with my dex monkey.
>
> <snip>
>
> : So while the melee warrior can take down a larger majority of Sosaria
> : spawn... some monsters just can't be tackled w/o use of magik
>
> However, these monsters simply weren't meant to be fought alone, period.
> A team of good warriors with healing and plenty of bandages can take down
> anything. 5 warriors standing around a dragon, each healing the guy next
> to them, will make short work of it. Warriors scale much better than
> mages, because of mana and the damage healed with bandages. The problem
> is that UO seems to lack the social aspect it was designed for, and
> you never see a few warriors beating on a high-level monster.
>

Attentive Dragon

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Mistress Morrigan wrote in message ...

>The only way I knew of to melee a PE was to teleport back and forth in the
>shroom room and let the shrooms just about kill the PE then you get him
with
>the kill shot. But since OSI appears to have turned off all
>gating/recalling/teleporting in there its useless now so the only way is
>with a mage handy as backup to cure you when you don't do it fast enough.
>
>Poison elementals, Blood Elementals, Dragons and wyrms, Balrons and Deamons
>all appear to be pretty much Mage only monsters... not sure about Titans
and
>Cyclops and/or Terathean and Ophidian Matriarchs but I would guess they
fall
>into the same catagory. I suppose Ogre Lords fall here too. Silver Serpents
>would definatly fall in the mage only catagory.
>
>Liche Lords are more suited to Melee fighters as are lower level Ophidians
>and Teratheans including all surface spawn and a large majority of dungon
>spawn.
>
>While on average the vast majority of monsters can be nailed with a dex
>monkey... I think that due to the difficulty of magery trainning to a
>high/GM level that in just about every RPG game there are a number of high
>level monsters that can only be taken out with magery or mage assistance
for
>healing purposes.
> Now while this may seem unfair in favor of mages... remember once a
mage
>mana dumps they are pretty much helpless unless they have another skill
they
>can use which isn't a weapon ( we have to run away and sit there visible
not
>even talking to meditate making us sitting ducks ). Melee fighters can
>pretty much wade in and whack away and heal not only themselves but other
>warriors w/o having to disengage from combat. This dosen't even take into
>account the massive AR differences between a dex monkey and a mage. I.E.
>plate/chain Vs plain leather.
>
>So while the melee warrior can take down a larger majority of Sosaria
>spawn... some monsters just can't be tackled w/o use of magik
>

I think it's to encourage folks to work together, and to develop different
paths... so mages will assosiate with warriors and work together for a
common goal... encouraging team play.

Of course, someone like me with provoke on thier side, doesn't always need
help ;) Just provoke everything else onto the PE, and hit it from behind
while it's busy ;) (course then it just finished everything else off, turns
on me, and OOooOoooO)

Oh well... I always seem to die when PEs are around ;)

Anasazi

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Well...for about 100 gold in regs (rough estimate) a properly situated mage can
solo a dragon....netting the 800 or so gold all for him/herself. You point is
well taken though. The other day, a team of warriors and mages in my guild went
on a Blood Elemental trip. After about 1.5 hours of fighting, healing, dying,
resurrecting, etc. Madhammer the mage walked out with about 2k in gold. I could
have made that in 1/2 hour fighting elementals solo. The incentive does seem
backward at times.

Anasazi Dragon

>
>
> No single mage can take down any of these high level monsters and make a
> profit (unless there's a treasure map). A mage can kill them eventually
> because his attacks are ranged, but the cost in regs is too much to

> actually profit from these beasts. It's a shame that so much money can be

Rick Cortese

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"Mistress Morrigan" <winte...@cyberspace.org> wrote in message
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> The only way I knew of to melee a PE was to teleport back and forth in the
> shroom room and let the shrooms just about kill the PE then you get him
with
> the kill shot. But since OSI appears to have turned off all
> gating/recalling/teleporting in there its useless now so the only way is
> with a mage handy as backup to cure you when you don't do it fast enough.
>
> Poison elementals, Blood Elementals, Dragons and wyrms, Balrons and
Deamons
> all appear to be pretty much Mage only monsters... not sure about Titans
and
> Cyclops and/or Terathean and Ophidian Matriarchs but I would guess they
fall
> into the same catagory. I suppose Ogre Lords fall here too. Silver
Serpents
> would definatly fall in the mage only catagory.

It isn't that bad. Given a choice between my mage and my tamer for tackling
high level monsters, I will go with the tamer most of the time. Sometimes it
isn't possible like Wind where the dragon won't go through the teleporter
and by the time you tamed one inside, someone else has killed the deamons.

The other big killers of PEs are boat captains. Shame lakes on Baja are wall
to wall boats. Once they get their boat set up, newbie archer with 50 resist
and a bow or some other low level character looking for resist and loot.

Yarahu Akhbar

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In case anyone is wondering, I am not making any offers this time. I have
developped a solid respect for level 5 poison, and besides, I still have my
balron duel on the agenda, and it's better to concentrate on one suicide
attempt at a time.

Yarahu


Anasazi heeft geschreven in bericht <39654625...@mindspring.com>...


>I've seen many attempt it, which usually results in the inevitable (insert
kewl
>name here i.e.) "Phred da Killa begins to spasm uncontrollably." Followed
by
>the obligatory OoOOoOoOOoo. I tried two times with my 4x GM warrior, the
>Illustrious Neuro, who died both times after receiving deadly poison. In
>short, I think that without a mage nearby to do quick cures, it's next to
>impossible to melee a P.E. I did manage to kill a few last night with
>Madhammer, the mage.
>
>My advice....develop your hiding skill. It's great to stand in the lich
room,
>watching a half-dozen people run around and get killed, while you're in a
>nervous, hidden state huddled in the corner. lol
>
>Good luck.
>
>Anasazi Dragon
>
>Luke wrote:
>

Geoffrey Hyde

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Rick Cortese <rico...@netmagic.net> wrote in message
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That will be fixed soon, it seems - going to be nice seeing all those boats
people leave lying around in dungeons go *poof* when they patch that in.

Cheers ...

Geoffrey Hyde

Rick Cortese

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Saw the login message too. Sometimes I really wonder about people, I suspect
the same ones that were complaining about "UO is so gay now! the monsters
are too easy" were also the ones on the boats.

It is a new bred of people that I haven't really run into much during my
life, the "Save me from myself" kind of thing. They seem to say, "If there
is an easy way out, I will take it, it is your fault and I hold you
responsible for me being bored."

I guess removing boats is easier then having PEs teleport onto decks.
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Rick Cortese

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Dragon loot is up since the last patch, 1,500-2,000 gold plus gems and
sometimes magical items.

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Kiril Threndor

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In article <smd2sl...@corp.supernews.com>, Rick Cortese
<rico...@netmagic.net> writes

>Saw the login message too. Sometimes I really wonder about people, I suspect
>the same ones that were complaining about "UO is so gay now! the monsters
>are too easy" were also the ones on the boats.
>

Like the ones who brag about how many balrons they have killed when what
they really mean is they stand in the little pool in terra keep and
cheese em.
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