Archery IS the balance
Richard Cortese
>
> People who complain about Archery damage are missing the point. It's not
> the damage that's the problem; it's the fact that archers can move while
> recovering between shots. If a halberd swung every x seconds, whether the
> wielder is standing within range of his target or not, there'd be almost
> no complaints about Archery.
>
> Try this: have an archer and a halberdier stand next to each other and
> begin fighting.
> Step 1: Have the archer wait until the halberdier begins swinging, and
> then walk a half-screen distance away and stop.
> Step 2: Have the halberdier chase him, then stand next to him and try to
> get a swing in.
> Step 3: Repeat steps 1 and 2 until the halberdier is dead.
OK, how about making the guy with the halberd stand still while he
swings too? That way, you could still chop up the mindless monsters
attacking you in a dungeon & cleaning up on loot, but you won't be able
to take advantage of lag to run in front of my bowyer to block him while
attacking all the while? Ditto for every other weapon in the game, make
them all like magery. Of course, auto combat would be a problem with you
constantly be frozen while you take your swing, but at least it would be
equal. My mage was taking on a drake last night & the damn "you are
frozen & can not move" messages while being fireballed kept me wishing I
had anyone but a mage.
This would also give non PvP players a chance to run. As it is now,
connection speed is more important then just about any other factor. You
would think a character with 90 dex could outrun anybody in heavy plate
no matter what weapon they use. Certainly I would notice someone cocking
their halberd over their head & take a few steps back. I imagine it
would be pretty difficult for anyone to swing a halberd while running at
speed too.
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J Aitken
combat.
In war, people fire masses of arrows into bunches of people. It is a very
different proposition for one person to be trying to shoot an individual, let
alone if they are on a horse charging at you.
Otara, Napa
"Dennis F. Heffernan" <Dennis.H...@gte.net> wrote:
> And the point is that what you want cannot be, because it is not true.
>If you can't kill at a distance you will lose _every time_ to someone who can.
>It is that simple. The advent of archery forever changed the nature of war,
>precisely because knights with a lifetime of training and incredibly expensive
>equipment were slaughtered by peasants who spent a few days learning to fire
>a crossbow. Further advances did not go towards finding a way to stop this;
>they went towards finding a way to enhance it -- the gun.
>
> If we're going to have archers in this game then they are going to have an
>incredible advantage and that is that. They can't possibly handicap them
enough
>and still remain within the bounds of reason.
>
>Dennis F. Heffernan UO: Venture (Catskills) Dennis.H...@gte.net
>Montclair State U #include <disclaim.h> ICQ:9154048 CompSci/Philosophy
>"You bitch about the present and blame it on the past/I'd like to find your
>inner child and kick its little ass!" - D. Henley/G. Frey, "Get Over It"
>
>
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Loucy Of Chesapeake
experience
in killing people with bows it is real real easy to do on the run:)
Loucy
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J Aitken
disagreeing with me :-).
Ive done archery. Its hard enough hitting targets, let alone when its a moving
target, let alone when its coming at you and you have ONE shot (I havent done
the last one I'm very glad to say - I'm guessing its harder tho).
Otara, Napa
Loucy of Chesapeake <Lo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>nuh-uh! i do it all the time man. for those of you with out real life
experience
>in killing people with bows it is real real easy to do on the run:)
>
>Loucy
>
>J Aitken wrote:
>
>> I think you are confusing the difference between mass war and individual
combat.
>> In war, people fire masses of arrows into bunches of people. It is a very
>> different proposition for one person to be trying to shoot an individual,
let
>> alone if they are on a horse charging at you.
>>
>> Otara, Napa
>
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fid...@usit.net (Sanctus) wrote:
> In article <6nte51$8e6$1...@news-2.news.gte.net>, "Dennis F. Heffernan"
> <Dennis.H...@gte.net> wrote:
>
> Re: UOSS study
>
> > Yes, I've been referring people to that study.
>
> Of course, the UOSS numbers totally disregard how Archery is actually used
> tactically in the game. Sure, a halberdier can tear you up IF you stand
> right next to him, and IF you don't move while he's swinging. If you take
> a few steps away from him when he's swinging, his attack is ruined and he
> has to chase you before he can reengage. The Stratics study is correct in
> theory, but wildly out of touch with how weapons actually perform in PC
> hands.
>
> People who complain about Archery damage are missing the point. It's not
> the damage that's the problem; it's the fact that archers can move while
> recovering between shots. If a halberd swung every x seconds, whether the
> wielder is standing within range of his target or not, there'd be almost
> no complaints about Archery.
>
> Try this: have an archer and a halberdier stand next to each other and
> begin fighting.
> Step 1: Have the archer wait until the halberdier begins swinging, and
> then walk a half-screen distance away and stop.
> Step 2: Have the halberdier chase him, then stand next to him and try to
> get a swing in.
> Step 3: Repeat steps 1 and 2 until the halberdier is dead.
>
say "hehe" at the end.
Big Ed
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Loucy Of Chesapeake
hand combat
method. i can just imagine some lamer really stating my joking statement.
Loucy
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