Adventures of "MacroMage Killer"
Jack Benny
my housekey and go home and log out. I'd had a rough day of mining and
escaping the killers and thieves of the land.
You see, I couldnt get to the bank. There were 15 bazillion summoned
animals and monsters running around 3 macroing mages.
So I went and bought a new spellbook. I put enough spells in it so I
could cast up to 5th level.
I created my newest character "MacroMage Killer" with ill will in my
heart. I was going to stop these idiots since OSI wouldnt. I quickly
located the cache with reagents and spellbook close to the bank. I
stowed all of my items save a few reagents and walked up to the mages
and began snooping.
Hmm.. 700 of each earth elemental reagent on the first.. 400 of each
flamestrike reagent on the next and 300 of each flamestrike reagent on
the last. They didnt budge to my obvious snooping.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt and said "Hello Sires! I am, in
case you have not heard, called "MacroMage Killer". I am here to
dispatch you. No reply from my audience.
So I stepped back and cast poison field on them. "Guards can now be
called on you" - but, since I didnt directly attack them.. no NPC's saw
fit to report me. Several players ran by, one noted my greyness and
took chase.. I ran around and around and around.. finally lost him.
I came back and waited for the poison to wear off - noted that they were
at 1/4 health now and cast it again on them. This time more players
took interest, but no one called the guards, or made any effort to save
the macromages. One poison field later they were all 3 dead. I
quickly handed my remaining reagents to my friend and instructed him to
stand behind me. I opened up the corpses of the dead mages, and since I
alreay knew where their reagents were, made a mental note of the bags
containing them. Once we were set I grabbed the bags and dropped them
behind me, which my friend quickly snatched up. The guards were called
by the wanna be looters, but to their avail I had nothing.
I did this 9 other times and killed 15 mages across the land, only
failing once.
I woke up the next morning and logged in, finding myself a murderer I
ran up to the nearest person I could find (in town) and called the
guards. I imagine he was completly stunned.
I'll be doing this from now on. If OSI wont enforce their own policy..
I will.
Jack
Dundee
wrote:
>I woke up the next morning and logged in, finding myself a murderer
LOL! Imagine the macroing guys. "You are dead."
"Would you like to report MacroMage Killer for murder?"
heh.
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Jaquar
J/K Kudos!
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:58:32 GMT, Dun...@LakeSuperior.Shard (Dundee)
wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:20:22 -0600, Jack Benny <pea...@butter.jelly>
>wrote:
>
>>I woke up the next morning and logged in, finding myself a murderer
>
>LOL! Imagine the macroing guys. "You are dead."
>
>"Would you like to report MacroMage Killer for murder?"
>
>heh.
Jaquar of The Shadow's Soul
Guildmaster
Grandmaster Mage
bobobob
bobobob
Europa
Actually - I feel like going to one - anyone wanna plan it? :)
Jack Benny wrote in message <36C857...@butter.jelly>...
Adonien Hades
bobobob a écrit dans le message ...
>Could this be the next NG event?! - eh Dundee? :)
>
>bobobob
>Europa
>
>Actually - I feel like going to one - anyone wanna plan it? :)
bobobob : If it's on Europa, I can be with you too :)
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[europa]
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Richard Cortese
>
> Well I snapped. I was trying to just walk up to the bank so I could get
> my housekey and go home and log out. I'd had a rough day of mining and
> escaping the killers and thieves of the land.
>
> You see, I couldnt get to the bank. There were 15 bazillion summoned
> animals and monsters running around 3 macroing mages.
>
> So I went and bought a new spellbook. I put enough spells in it so I
> could cast up to 5th level.
>
> I created my newest character "MacroMage Killer" with ill will in my
> heart. I was going to stop these idiots since OSI wouldnt. I quickly
> located the cache with reagents and spellbook close to the bank. I
> stowed all of my items save a few reagents and walked up to the mages
> and began snooping.
>
> Hmm.. 700 of each earth elemental reagent on the first.. 400 of each
> flamestrike reagent on the next and 300 of each flamestrike reagent on
> the last. They didnt budge to my obvious snooping.
>
> I gave them the benefit of the doubt and said "Hello Sires! I am, in
> case you have not heard, called "MacroMage Killer". I am here to
> dispatch you. No reply from my audience.
>
> So I stepped back and cast poison field on them. "Guards can now be
> called on you" - but, since I didnt directly attack them.. no NPC's saw
> fit to report me. Several players ran by, one noted my greyness and
> took chase.. I ran around and around and around.. finally lost him.
it out of the game. I don't mind a lot of foolishness like alchemist
making 8 potions at once, but GAWD DAMN I WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE
CASTING POISON FIELD IN TOWN!
I think my post never made it to the newsgroup, but that same night I
got a chr PK'd in Covetous, a couple of jerks were summoning earth
elementals in the Ocllo magic shop on Pacific. It was so full, no one
could get in. No excuse, if they can cast 8ths, they can cast a gate to
get the hell out of the shop.
I did the same thing with poison field, died, but several people thanked
my ghost.
After rezing, 1 pearl, 1 shade, 1 silk, & hit the same guy at the bank.
He didn't cast again while my chr was there.
Jack Benny
>
> U suk dood, 1 oF tHOSe wS my MAge mastA
>
> J/K Kudos!
FWIW - I couldnt find one macro mage on the shard last night.
I did however find two throwaways poison fielding every macroer in sight
in Brit. I followed them around as a ghost last night for a long time.
I wonder where they got that idea =)
Jack
Richard Cortese
>
> On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:58:24 -0800, Richard Cortese
> <rico...@netmagic.net> wrote:
>
> >You know, everytime we say something like this, it seems like Raph takes
> >it out of the game. I don't mind a lot of foolishness like alchemist
> >making 8 potions at once, but GAWD DAMN I WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE
> >CASTING POISON FIELD IN TOWN!
>
> That's the real solution. Just make it like an offensive spell: Nerf
> the effect so that people can practice but no monsters are actually
> summoned.
That would work.
But there is something that has returned to the game that I haven't seen
in months that I would like to continue. That is banks as an area to get
together!
I can remember back to the early days of UO where everyone would
congregate at the banks. Usually, the ones with enough magic would go up
to the roofs with the newer players or those just not into that
particular crowd remaining on ground level.
Then there were the dark days when the only thing you saw at banks was
2-6 thieves, trying to hit everyone who came by the bank to drop off
their keys before KOPing out of there. That lasted way to long, longer
then the first good times.
I don't like most of the new crowds that hang out at the banks, but they
seem to really like hanging out with each other. I think this is good
for the game. I think Meditation was good for the game too. I think the
power to completely fill up a magic shop with summoned creatures or lag
everyone at the bank is bad.
I don't like people leaving pets in shops/doorways to block them either.
Did I ever say that the first step my former old noto system dread took
on the path to Redness was tossing purples at tamed dogs left to block
shops when the GMs refused to help?
I guess I could compromise on summoning in town if it really came down
to it. But the fix should be put in before casting poison field in town
is eliminate.
For instance, another page 8 spell that could be used for clowns that
want to macro magery that doesn't end up with a summoned creature or
require a dead person or ...
Or you can't summon in earshot of a shop keeper or bank.
Or you can't bring ANY creature into a shop.
This has been a real problem on Pacific, Baja & TC. Create an animal
tamer outside of normal GM hours, then just drop tamed animals in all
the shops & city gates. Been going on ever since I can remember. Now we
have summoned elementals creating the same type of log jams. I used to
use fire field to get rid of them, kind of tough now.
Kerry Jane
>> Would you settle for not being able to summon monsters in
>> town? That's the real solution. Just make it like an offensive
>> spell: Nerf the effect so that people can practice but no
>> monsters are actually summoned.
>That would work.
*ahem*
No it wouldn't. How would we kill the Tailor NPCs to get good colors of
bolts of cloth then???
Yeesh. Take all my fun away, whydoncha. :(
;)
Janey.
Damocles
wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:58:24 -0800, Richard Cortese
><rico...@netmagic.net> wrote:
>
>>You know, everytime we say something like this, it seems like Raph takes
>>it out of the game. I don't mind a lot of foolishness like alchemist
>>making 8 potions at once, but GAWD DAMN I WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE
>>CASTING POISON FIELD IN TOWN!
>
>Would you settle for not being able to summon monsters in town?
>That's the real solution. Just make it like an offensive spell: Nerf
>the effect so that people can practice but no monsters are actually
>summoned.
You guys realize that those summoned elementals are wonderful for new
players to practice their fighting skills on, and that mages are
usually showered with demands to summon more, don't you?
I'd like to see the bank area made offlimits to ALL spellcasting, but
I don't see what the problem is with doing it in areas where no one is
affected.
BTW, going around to isolated areas where someone is macroing magery
and hurting no one doing so and killing them is the equivalent of any
other kind of pkilling. If you kill macroing mages, you must kill
macroing miners, alchemists and anyone else doing things you don't
like.
It's kind of funny to see people here going on about how they hate
pkilling and then a few posts down listing off all the guys they've
whacked. For legitimate reasons, of course...
Jack Benny
> BTW, going around to isolated areas where someone is macroing magery
> and hurting no one doing so and killing them is the equivalent of any
> other kind of pkilling. If you kill macroing mages, you must kill
> macroing miners, alchemists and anyone else doing things you don't
> like.
>
> It's kind of funny to see people here going on about how they hate
> pkilling and then a few posts down listing off all the guys they've
> whacked. For legitimate reasons, of course...
I've got little tolerance for someone who breaks the rules (3rd party
programs) and are brash enough to do it in town. I'll do everything in
my power to ruin their powergaming fest. - Especially when I see the
well known jerks doing it. If you want to macro magery there are far
more appropriate places for doing this that you *cannot* be
killed/looted/stolen from.
If I had my way 3rd party programs that gain players an advantage over
other players would be grounds for your immediate banishment.
Yes, I use UOA to equip and un-equip since I am a swordsman, but it's
only because I get last targeted by mages more times than I care to
think about.
Jack
Damocles
wrote:
>
>
>I've got little tolerance for someone who breaks the rules (3rd party
>programs) and are brash enough to do it in town. I'll do everything in
>my power to ruin their powergaming fest. - Especially when I see the
>well known jerks doing it. If you want to macro magery there are far
>more appropriate places for doing this that you *cannot* be
>killed/looted/stolen from.
You don't have to use a third party program to macro magery in town,
you can do the old "force a key down" routine. Much worse for the game
because it sends out a constant signal instead of a time delayed
sequence, of course. Also, you can macro magery using programs like
EZMacro, which was never grounds for banning.
>
>If I had my way 3rd party programs that gain players an advantage over
>other players would be grounds for your immediate banishment.
I see.
>
>Yes, I use UOA to equip and un-equip since I am a swordsman, but it's
>only because I get last targeted by mages more times than I care to
>think about.
In other words, when it's done for your advantage over other players
it's perfectly okay but for anyone else it's not. Interesting
perspective.
Why not call a spade a spade? You kill mages because you don't like
them. I'm sure as a swordsman you've died many times to magic and it
feels good to get something back on them by townkilling them. But to
claim you kill them for using UOA last target to macro spellcasting
when you use UOA auto arming is a wee bit hypocritical, don't you
think?
Jack Benny
>
> You don't have to use a third party program to macro magery in town,
> you can do the old "force a key down" routine.
>
> it's perfectly okay but for anyone else it's not. Interesting
> perspective.
> Why not call a spade a spade? You kill mages because you don't like
> them. I'm sure as a swordsman you've died many times to magic and it
> feels good to get something back on them by townkilling them. But to
> claim you kill them for using UOA last target to macro spellcasting
> when you use UOA auto arming is a wee bit hypocritical, don't you
> think?
Ok Damocles, what crawled up your ass?
Yeah you can cast a few spells in town forcing the key down.. but how
many people do you see just casting and casting over and over.. NONE.
The fact of the matter is that they are all doing meditation and
casting. If you are macroing meditation and magery in town you are
using a 3rd party program. Dont try and make it look the other way
because you and I both know the truth on this one. I love it when
people try to justify total bullshit.
FWIW I'll stop using UOA as soon as the mages stop using last target.
If you want to bitch about "It's hard to target players" - well that's
about the only negative thing to using magery that I know of. But then
again I suppose you want the "god mode" for mages too so they can
"ROOL".
And I've *NEVER* died to a single mage and never died to a single mage
using last target. I've died plenty of times to groups of mages using
last target and fastwalk. Dont believe me? Ask around. I dont think
you'll find one person that can say that I have. I'm hardly envious of
mages.
But you take the most powerful PvP skill in the game and enhance it even
more, then do all the work for a player using a 3rd party program.. well
they might as well be pressing a button that says "kill this person" and
sitting back and watching it.
I dont like 3rd party programs. But you give me the choice of using one
or dying to the jerks in the game using one to kill me.. well that's a
no brainer. And at least I'm using the least offensive one of the
bunch. I'll drop UOA unarm and take on any 2 mages not using a 3rd
party program any day.
Get off my ass until you have a real reason to be on it. But I seem to
remember you were the one bitching about me not ever being killed by a
single mage.. It seems like you are the one with the problem.
Jack
Damocles
wrote:
>
>Ok Damocles, what crawled up your ass?
>
>Yeah you can cast a few spells in town forcing the key down.. but how
>many people do you see just casting and casting over and over.. NONE.
>The fact of the matter is that they are all doing meditation and
>casting. If you are macroing meditation and magery in town you are
>using a 3rd party program. Dont try and make it look the other way
>because you and I both know the truth on this one. I love it when
>people try to justify total bullshit.
A third party program like you use. Hmm...
>
>FWIW I'll stop using UOA as soon as the mages stop using last target.
>If you want to bitch about "It's hard to target players" - well that's
>about the only negative thing to using magery that I know of. But then
>again I suppose you want the "god mode" for mages too so they can
>"ROOL".
God mode? Hardly. It's kind of funny to see you justifying your use of
UOA when so many people started using UOA because they were getting
whacked by archers while trying desperately to target them in the
forests.
>
>And I've *NEVER* died to a single mage and never died to a single mage
>using last target. I've died plenty of times to groups of mages using
>last target and fastwalk. Dont believe me? Ask around. I dont think
>you'll find one person that can say that I have. I'm hardly envious of
>mages.
Good for you, it makes your justification for using UOA a little
stretched, though. Everyone dies to gang bangs, regardless of the
weapons they have at their disposal. Mages, swordsmen, all.
>
>But you take the most powerful PvP skill in the game and enhance it even
>more, then do all the work for a player using a 3rd party program.. well
>they might as well be pressing a button that says "kill this person" and
>sitting back and watching it.
Really, that's interesting, I've never noticed that effect from my use
of UOA. All it's done for me is even the battlefield - much as you
claim it does for you.
>
>I dont like 3rd party programs. But you give me the choice of using one
>or dying to the jerks in the game using one to kill me.. well that's a
>no brainer. And at least I'm using the least offensive one of the
>bunch. I'll drop UOA unarm and take on any 2 mages not using a 3rd
>party program any day.
>
>Get off my ass until you have a real reason to be on it. But I seem to
>remember you were the one bitching about me not ever being killed by a
>single mage.. It seems like you are the one with the problem.
>
>Jack
My problem is not with you using UOA or being able to kill ten mages
with your hands behind your back. It's with you bragging about killing
macroing mages, most of whom are not hurting you (I'm talking about
the ones doing it away from crowded areas) because they're using a
third party program, when YOU use one too. That, my friend, is
bullshit.
Jack Benny
>
> My problem is not with you using UOA or being able to kill ten mages
> with your hands behind your back. It's with you bragging about killing
> macroing mages, most of whom are not hurting you (I'm talking about
> the ones doing it away from crowded areas) because they're using a
> third party program, when YOU use one too. That, my friend, is
> bullshit.
You are right. They dont hurt other players or disrupt their
playstyle. They just:
Eat up the entire spawn of reagents many times over at the shopkeeps so
they can macro all night. Fuck the other players.. they dont need
reagents.
Eat up bandwidth. Fuck the other players and OSI my skill gain is more
valuble.
Cause massive amounts of lag around public buildings that already are
lagging to hell. Fuck the other players. If they cant recall to the
bank like the rest of them they "suk" anyway.
Create database glut with the overhead and tracking for those summoned
monsters. Fuck everyone else. The lag's not bothering me because I'm
not here.
Add to the overall enjoyment of the game for everyone else. Yes..
that's my idea of a great time:
Joe: Hey lets go out and watch mushrooms explode.
Fred: screw that! I want to go watch the mages at the bank flamestrike
themselves.
Yeah macro mages aren't greedy scum sucking fuckheads that dont give a
shit about other players.
Or maybe we should ask you about the favors they are doing for us?
Me, I despise powergaming. If you are going to cheat me I'm damn sure
going to cheat you. I've got zero respect for assholism in this game,
and macroing while you are AFK is just as bad as any other abuse in the
game.
You can paint pretty as much as you please.. but if you want the game to
play for itself and give you a PC that "rUlZ" dont expect me to be happy
about it.
I was there for every point of my 100 tactics and 100 swordsmanship and
82.3 magery and 94.5 anatomy and 94.1 healing. How about you?
Didnt think so.
Jack
Damocles
wrote:
>Damocles wrote:
>>
>> My problem is not with you using UOA or being able to kill ten mages
>> with your hands behind your back. It's with you bragging about killing
>> macroing mages, most of whom are not hurting you (I'm talking about
>> the ones doing it away from crowded areas) because they're using a
>> third party program, when YOU use one too. That, my friend, is
>> bullshit.
>
>You are right. They dont hurt other players or disrupt their
>playstyle. They just:
>
>Eat up the entire spawn of reagents many times over at the shopkeeps so
>they can macro all night. Fuck the other players.. they dont need
>reagents.
I've had people lecture me on how NOT cleaning out the reg vendors
when you buy regs screws up the reg spawn for everyone else. Besides,
the big reg buyers are the vendor suppliers who clean out the entire
stock and resell them - mostly to the same macro mages you so hate.
>
>Eat up bandwidth. Fuck the other players and OSI my skill gain is more
>valuble.
True of all macroers. But then, you hate them all, don't you?
>
>Cause massive amounts of lag around public buildings that already are
>lagging to hell. Fuck the other players. If they cant recall to the
>bank like the rest of them they "suk" anyway.
I've already proposed eliminating the ability to cast in a given area
around the heavily trafficked places.
>
>Create database glut with the overhead and tracking for those summoned
>monsters. Fuck everyone else. The lag's not bothering me because I'm
>not here.
Kind of like tamers filling the stables with 60 tamed critters they'll
never use, or collectors storing 200 crystal balls in their houses.
The game is full of selfish people.
<snip>
>
>Me, I despise powergaming. If you are going to cheat me I'm damn sure
>going to cheat you. I've got zero respect for assholism in this game,
>and macroing while you are AFK is just as bad as any other abuse in the
>game.
Wow, you've just condemned most UO players, including people in this
newsgroup (the SBR guild was built around people quickly macroing up
their characters), to the status of asshole cheaters.
>
>You can paint pretty as much as you please.. but if you want the game to
>play for itself and give you a PC that "rUlZ" dont expect me to be happy
>about it.
>
>I was there for every point of my 100 tactics and 100 swordsmanship and
>82.3 magery and 94.5 anatomy and 94.1 healing. How about you?
>
>Didnt think so.
You were there for every point of 94.5 anatomy? I would have worked
myself into a trance state after about 5. Even as I type this, my new
character is macroing anatomy on a hired peasant in the safety of my
home. Even if some rabid killer like yourself took him out, it'd be
child's play to put him back in action.
Congratulations on finding a good killing justification, though. Most
pkillers aren't clever enough to do that.
Richard Cortese
> You guys realize that those summoned elementals are wonderful for new
> players to practice their fighting skills on, and that mages are
> usually showered with demands to summon more, don't you?
Yes, it is just that I don't care. They work just as well 1 screen away
from the bank or even outside the city limits.
Not that the tent cities have cleared up, plenty of room right next to
banks but out of the way of bankers.
I actually came *very* late<UO years are like dog years> to the
Chaos/Order shield thing. Maybe at least 2 weeks after everyone else had
gotten theirs.
What had happened was under the old noto system your summoned creatures
were exactly 1 noto level under you. So, for about my 1st 2-3 months of
UO I carefully maintained my noto such that all my summons were grey.
Of course back then, guard wacking meant we had to go outside town.
>
> I'd like to see the bank area made offlimits to ALL spellcasting, but
> I don't see what the problem is with doing it in areas where no one is
> affected.
Ha, two guys I killed yesterday in seperate encounters were probably the
same guy. Flame strike on one, ebolt on the other. They ran into guard
areas & rather then hit esc to clear the target cursor, I just let the
spell off. They both said the same thing,
"I have GM resist!"
I told them both the same thing
"In Nox"
"Poison still works in town dummy"
>
> BTW, going around to isolated areas where someone is macroing magery
> and hurting no one doing so and killing them is the equivalent of any
> other kind of pkilling. If you kill macroing mages, you must kill
> macroing miners, alchemists and anyone else doing things you don't
> like.
Yeap, I don't do this. If you aren't bothering me by macroing earth
elementals in the Ocllo magic shop or doing the same at a bank, I leave
you alone. But if you have been doing this & I catch you anywhere that I
can kill you...
>
> It's kind of funny to see people here going on about how they hate
> pkilling and then a few posts down listing off all the guys they've
> whacked. For legitimate reasons, of course...
Actually, most of these clowns are just that. Blue PKs, Tank Thieves,
just trying to get their magery up while being annoying. Two birds with
one stone if you will.
Mainly it is about being an asshole.
How else do you explain 10 earth elementals wandering around inside the
Ocllo magic shop? Two butt heads were doing it together to make sure the
entire shop was blocked.
Davian
>
>
> Mainly it is about being an asshole.
>
> How else do you explain 10 earth elementals wandering around inside the
> Ocllo magic shop? Two butt heads were doing it together to make sure the
> entire shop was blocked.
Oh I can beat that.
How about Moonglow mage shop, where those 2 display cases make a row 1
wide everyone has to walk down to get to the T2A teleporter.
3 fire elementals, named Blocker 1, Blocker 2, and Blocker3 placed in
that aisle and told to stay.
Davian
Damocles
wrote:
Hey, no arguments from me. But it's another thing entirely to go
around hunting and killing ALL macroing mages, even the ones who
sitting off in a corner not summoning anything. That'd be like me
going out and killing all the tamers I can find because some like to
leave tame animals in doorways.
Richard Cortese
>
<snip>
> How about Moonglow mage shop, where those 2 display cases make a row 1
> wide everyone has to walk down to get to the T2A teleporter.
>
> 3 fire elementals, named Blocker 1, Blocker 2, and Blocker3 placed in
> that aisle and told to stay.
>
> Davian
LS? I think I could have some fun with that one. What happens to the
owner if you attack the middle fire elementals & it casts mass curse in
the room full of NPCs? I know this works with Orc Mages and Wind
daemons, but I have never noticed spell rotations for elementals.
Jeff Gentry
: Yeah you can cast a few spells in town forcing the key down.. but how
: many people do you see just casting and casting over and over.. NONE.
: The fact of the matter is that they are all doing meditation and
: casting. If you are macroing meditation and magery in town you are
: using a 3rd party program. Dont try and make it look the other way
: because you and I both know the truth on this one. I love it when
: people try to justify total bullshit.
Jack, FWIW I don't think what you're doing is bad, but you have to face
facts. You claim you kill them because tehy use 3rd party programs.
So do you. The motivation behind it is irrelevant. Perhaps these
macroers only use it for "count regs"? Who knows. Not you, that's
for sure.
For instance, one of my guildmates was macromage killed in town, and
I said "good, I have nothing against people who do that." I got a
"WHAT?!?!?!" in reply, and I stated, "using guardzone to get resist
is cheating". The response was "Loki, do you use UOA?". And my answer
of course was "yes". The fact is, I am cheating too - no matter what
my motivation is for using it.
However, I personally really dislike people who cheat up their resist
(I guess being one of the few people who have a *legit* high resist
kinda does that to you), and I will continue to support any methods
to hinder cheating up resist. However, at the same time, I fully
admit I'm in a major moral grey area because ... I, too, cheat (using
UOA).
You can rationalize *your* use of UOA all you want, as long as you
*fully* admit that *you* are also cheating. You *also* can't
cite other people using *macro* progams as a death sentence when
*you* are using *worse* 3rd party programs .... unless, of course,
you admit that what you're doing is morally grey and illogical.
I have, and I feel fine.
My guildmates said I was a PK. I said "yeap". Damoclese is right.
there is nothing better about this then your average PK ... I
personally have nothing against it, but then again I have nothing
against your average PK. Its the people who whine and moan about
PKs that then support this sort fo thing that I raise an eyebrow about.
LD
Big Ed the Bad
looking for people I knew where there a few minutes ago and find
out they went to kill, Death Cat. This prime example of humanity
was sitting in the chair in the mage shop in Skara Brae summoning
Earth Elementals. The place was completely impassable.
So one guy tried casting poison and that didn't work, then poison
field and that didn't work. We finally summoned a poisoner
friend and had her poison my katana. I took a swing, missed and
got guard whacked (exactly how often should a GM swordsman miss a
guy sitting in a chair). When I came back he has been hit a few
times so I waded in and hit him again and got guard whacked.
This time he got poisoned so I res'd (after my two minutes) and
came back. I waited till he was almost dead and was able to
deliver the killing blow. We celebrated and I went to the bank.
I was walking back when guess who is standing in the road, Death
Cat. I grab Corwin who was in on the whole thing and we go to
have some fun. Here is my journal log of the encounter:
You see: Death Cat
Big Ed the Bad: he is just off the screen
Corwin of Amber: who is?
Big Ed the Bad: guess
Corwin of Amber: ahh
Big Ed the Bad: hehe
Corwin of Amber: * Corwin of Amber looks ill. *
Corwin of Amber: guess he was just a little too late
Death Cat: u sluts killed me
Big Ed the Bad: who?
Death Cat: didnt you!?
Corwin of Amber: * Corwin of Amber looks ill. *
Big Ed the Bad: you?
Death Cat: u killed me while i was macroing!
Big Ed the Bad: who?
Big Ed the Bad: macro?
Big Ed the Bad: Isn't that illegal
Big Ed the Bad: surely you don't macro
Death Cat: u guys will pay for this i swear it
Big Ed the Bad: I think he is upset
Big Ed the Bad: sometimes we are such stinkers
Big Ed the Bad: hehe
Corwin of Amber: lost connect ...
Big Ed the Bad: He was rather unhappy
Corwin of Amber: * Corwin of Amber looks ill. *
Corwin of Amber: neat
Big Ed the Bad: not sure why
Big Ed the Bad: hehe
Corwin of Amber: he's a jerk for summoning in town
Big Ed the Bad: absolutely
Corwin of Amber: better than calling the gm's on him ;)
Big Ed the Bad: said he would GET US
Big Ed the Bad: *shakes in boots*
Corwin of Amber: oh goodie
Corwin of Amber: cant wait ;)
Big Ed the Bad: *pees pants*
Corwin of Amber: lol
Big Ed the Bad: cya at the hall
Corwin of Amber: k
You have left the protection of the town guards.
Like I said, sometimes we are such stinkers ;)
Big Ed the Bad
Sergeant Major, Skara Brae Rangers
Jack Benny wrote in message <36C857...@butter.jelly>...
Shawn
: Would you settle for not being able to summon monsters in town?
: That's the real solution. Just make it like an offensive spell: Nerf
: the effect so that people can practice but no monsters are actually
: summoned.
Isn't that what Crystal Balls are for? You use the mana & regs (&
gain the experience), but no effect takes place.
Personally, I don't mind if Mages macro, but they should at least
have the common courtesy to either *not* summon monsters (which
create lag), or use a crystal ball.
Shawn
--
C:\BELFRY is where I keep my .BAT files
Fiddler
>You are right. They dont hurt other players or disrupt their
>playstyle. They just:
Adding to your list -- macroers also:
* Screw up skill advancement for everyone else, since it's harder to
advance in skills that are being heavily used. If you're standing around
macroing Magery, you're making it that much harder for non-macroers to
advance. It's one thing to take up part of the skill pool when you're
*actually*playing*the*game*, but quite another to hog it just so you can
cast 8th without having to be at the keyboard.
* Contribute to the skill inflation that's making everyone identical.
What's the point in OSI even trying to introduce new skills, or tweak the
old ones, when powergamers will just GM the skill du jour almost
immediately?
* Contribute to the already-lopsided power imbalance between old and new
players. It's really hard to make a living at most skills when you're
just starting out, and it's even harder when you're surrounded by a
thousand unearned GMs plying the same trade.
Really, what's the point of macroing? Skill advancement is *supposed* to
be slow and difficult. You're *supposed* to build skills over months of
playing the game, not hours or days of running EZ Macro.
I always strongly supported the "two hour" rule occasionally floated on
this group: No one is allowed to gain more points in any skill over a
24-hour period than a reasonably diligent character could gain in a couple
of hours of actually playing the game.
Jaquar
wrote:
>And I've *NEVER* died to a single mage and never died to a single mage
>using last target. I've died plenty of times to groups of mages using
>last target and fastwalk. Dont believe me? Ask around. I dont think
>you'll find one person that can say that I have. I'm hardly envious of
>mages.
Well, I certainly couldn't kill you. Spells alone are pretty tough
against high str and a player with a brain. That said, I think I
wouldn't mind another shot some time for fun =-]
Jaquar
wrote:
>>But you take the most powerful PvP skill in the game and enhance it even
>>more, then do all the work for a player using a 3rd party program.. well
>>they might as well be pressing a button that says "kill this person" and
>>sitting back and watching it.
>
>Really, that's interesting, I've never noticed that effect from my use
>of UOA. All it's done for me is even the battlefield - much as you
>claim it does for you.
Actually, I am not going to post it, but I can make a macro in UOA
that can kill a player with one click of a button. Do I use it? Nah,
no real use since I am not a pk. I defend 90% of the time.
Jaquar
wrote:
>
>I was there for every point of my 100 tactics and 100 swordsmanship and
>82.3 magery and 94.5 anatomy and 94.1 healing. How about you?
>
>Didnt think so.
>
>Jack
I know you and Damo are arguing this point but you are in the ng =-]
For Jaquar I was there for every single point of her magery, swords,
tactics and wrestling. For new characters I create I power game them
up to decent (decent to me is 85 in a skill) and then play. Since I
play 3 characters actively I have made the choice not to hand hold my
characters development. That being said I still agree with you for
the most part if that makes sense.
Jack Benny
>
> Actually, I am not going to post it, but I can make a macro in UOA
> that can kill a player with one click of a button. Do I use it? Nah,
> no real use since I am not a pk. I defend 90% of the time.
>
I'm right there with you. I use UOA in a very limited way. I most
certainly dont use it to do insta-kill tactics. I'm not interested in
that. I'd much rather have a challenge instead of a sure fire ganking
method.
But that's the reason we get along. While we both are fully aware of
*how* to be an all powerful cheating asshole we dont do it.
Jack
Damocles
wrote:
>
>>It's kind of funny to see people here going on about how they hate
>>pkilling and then a few posts down listing off all the guys they've
>>whacked. For legitimate reasons, of course...
>
>You're generalizing: focus. SOME people go out and kill <fill in the
>asshole type of your choice>, others, like moi', try to get OSI to do
>something to reduce the white noise from these SOBs. Both methods get
>results, not all beneficial.
I was responding to Jack Benny, actually. Getting OSI to change these
things is perfectly legitimate.
Jack Benny
>
> On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:26:26 -0600, Jack Benny <pea...@butter.jelly>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I was there for every point of my 100 tactics and 100 swordsmanship and
> >82.3 magery and 94.5 anatomy and 94.1 healing. How about you?
> >
> >Didnt think so.
> >
> >Jack
>
> I know you and Damo are arguing this point but you are in the ng =-]
> For Jaquar I was there for every single point of her magery, swords,
> tactics and wrestling. For new characters I create I power game them
> up to decent (decent to me is 85 in a skill) and then play.
I'm right there with you on this too. I really like my main
characters. It took me a long time to develop them into what I want -
and the best thing is that I have no overhead for macroed skills to get
stats.
But I've macroed with the best of them. Fight fire with fire. Beat the
jerks at their own game so to speak.
Jack
Jaquar
>In article <36C9E2...@butter.jelly>, pea...@butter.jelly wrote:
>
>
>>You are right. They dont hurt other players or disrupt their
>>playstyle. They just:
>
>Adding to your list -- macroers also:
>
>* Screw up skill advancement for everyone else, since it's harder to
>advance in skills that are being heavily used. If you're standing around
>macroing Magery, you're making it that much harder for non-macroers to
>advance. It's one thing to take up part of the skill pool when you're
>*actually*playing*the*game*, but quite another to hog it just so you can
>cast 8th without having to be at the keyboard.
>
That is untrue. Number of people at a level effects advancement not
frequency of use. Yes they are related but you know what I mean.
Jack Benny
>
> I've had people lecture me on how NOT cleaning out the reg vendors
> when you buy regs screws up the reg spawn for everyone else. Besides,
> the big reg buyers are the vendor suppliers who clean out the entire
> stock and resell them - mostly to the same macro mages you so hate.
Which proves my point. If its the macro mages buying the reagents from
a 2nd party or directly it doesnt matter. If 50 mages on the shard at
the start/end/middle of the busy hours are looking for reagents to macro
overnight any other player isnt going to get reagents.
> True of all macroers. But then, you hate them all, don't you?
I'll readily admit I wish OSI would keep up with their stated policy and
ban people using 3rd party programs. And let's be honest for a change
and recognize the fact that the smallest minority of people jam a key
down to macro - and for the most part these spells are summoning spells,
and I've got the smallest amount of sympathy for someone who macros
summoning.
> >Cause massive amounts of lag around public buildings that already are
> >lagging to hell. Fuck the other players. If they cant recall to the
> >bank like the rest of them they "suk" anyway.
>
> I've already proposed eliminating the ability to cast in a given area
> around the heavily trafficked places.
But that's addressing the symptoms and not the heart of the matter.
> Kind of like tamers filling the stables with 60 tamed critters they'll
> never use, or collectors storing 200 crystal balls in their houses.
> The game is full of selfish people.
Yep, and generally these people are the first ones to bitch about things
like lowering weight/item counts on containers, etc. People need to
understand you dont shit where you live.
But instead they continue to abuse the system to it's fullest extent,
causing OSI to restrict everyone else that much more.
> Wow, you've just condemned most UO players, including people in this
> newsgroup (the SBR guild was built around people quickly macroing up
> their characters), to the status of asshole cheaters.
I also despise the fact that we have to have a police force IRL to go
out and enforce what should be common sense. I despise the criminals
who dont give a fuck about anyone else. But the only difference between
a police officer and a criminal many times is that a police officer has
the backing of the government. In UO there is no government. You
either do what the programming allows you to do, or you try and play the
game the way it was intended. Sometimes you have to enforce what you
feel is right and best for all players by physically forcing someone to
conform.
I understand the need for SBR to macro. While it certainly is not
character building it is character advancement. When your enemy uses a
flamethrower against you and all you have is a stick you dont stand
there and fight him with a stick. You go get a flamethrower yourself.
You fight fire with fire. You beat jerks at their own game. It's the
only thing they understand and it's the only way to deal with these
types of people.
So do I like macroers and 3rd party users.. NO. Do I understand the
need for people like SBR to use them? Absolutely.
> You were there for every point of 94.5 anatomy? I would have worked
> myself into a trance state after about 5.
Well unlike most short sighted people in the game I started using
anatomy and healing from the very inception of my character. I used the
weakest sword possible and the best armor attainable to drag out fights
with monsters like ogre lords, ettins, and trolls. The whole time I did
anatomy on them and ran away and healed myself.
> Even as I type this, my new
> character is macroing anatomy on a hired peasant in the safety of my
> home. Even if some rabid killer like yourself took him out, it'd be
> child's play to put him back in action.
>
> Congratulations on finding a good killing justification, though. Most
> pkillers aren't clever enough to do that.
I'll readily admit what I'm doing is pkilling. But you know what.. I'm
doing exactly what they are doing - which is playing the game in a
manner not intended by the programmers, but allowed by the coding - but
the better thing, I'm beating them at their own game. Macroing is about
"Look, I've got a bigger dick than you do." and nothing more. And every
jerk in the game has that mentality.
Congratulations on proliferating the tactic of playing this game by what
the coding allows you to do, and not how the game was intended to be
played. You make a better UO for everyone.
/sarcasm off
Jack
Jaquar
wrote:
>Jaquar wrote:
Yep =-] I don't know if I mentioned it yet but I tested UOE out last
weekend to see what we are up against. Wasn't really that impressed.
My opinion is that most of the people that scream UOE just aren't very
good at PvP. I am not blaming them though, just an observation.
Jaquar
wrote:
>Jaquar wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:26:26 -0600, Jack Benny <pea...@butter.jelly>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I was there for every point of my 100 tactics and 100 swordsmanship and
>> >82.3 magery and 94.5 anatomy and 94.1 healing. How about you?
>> >
>> >Didnt think so.
>> >
>> >Jack
>>
>> I know you and Damo are arguing this point but you are in the ng =-]
>> For Jaquar I was there for every single point of her magery, swords,
>> tactics and wrestling. For new characters I create I power game them
>> up to decent (decent to me is 85 in a skill) and then play.
>
>I'm right there with you on this too. I really like my main
>characters. It took me a long time to develop them into what I want -
>and the best thing is that I have no overhead for macroed skills to get
>stats.
>
>But I've macroed with the best of them. Fight fire with fire. Beat the
>jerks at their own game so to speak.
>
>Jack
I of course agree. J isn't what she used to be though. I need to put
her in the shop for a while.
Jeff Gentry
: That is untrue. Number of people at a level effects advancement not
: frequency of use. Yes they are related but you know what I mean.
Actually it *is* frequency of use. DD stated the approximate formula
a while back (ie he used rough descriptions but showed us the concept).
If I recall, each subserver machine records, from the moment of its
inception (ie the original shards have been keeping these tallies from
day 1, LS from early october, chessy from like 2 weeks later, etc) -
of the total number of times skills have been used and also the number
of times each individual skill has been used. Then, they take the ratio
of the two as a scaling factor off the baseline advancement.
He also noted that outside of a patch where a skill drastically changes,
there is very little variation day to day - so as to debunk the stories
of how you should practice skills at like 4am and the like (ie the
ratio doesn't change that much at 4am ...)
LD
Jack Benny
>
>
> Yep =-] I don't know if I mentioned it yet but I tested UOE out last
> weekend to see what we are up against. Wasn't really that impressed.
> My opinion is that most of the people that scream UOE just aren't very
> good at PvP. I am not blaming them though, just an observation.
Did you try out fastwalk? I've seen many people using what I would
consider fastwalking.. but I've never been entirely sure.
What was your opinion on it?
Jack
PannDorra
be sin free.
Another point UOA is great to use when you have carpal tunnel..Hehehe
wouldn't the stuff hit the fan if OSI banned a legally handicapped person
from using a 3rd party program? Can you imagine that lawsuit.
I very rarely macro in town and if I do its on my boat..Outta the way..
Killing macroers is right up there with killing miners..Its a scummy thing
to do...Voice your
complaints to osi about bank macroers, and don't say OSI never does
anything about complaints...Because everything that has been desecrated in
skills came of whining people about pks.
If you are not happy in this game go buy another. Is it truly worth the
frustration?
Poisoning will opnly work so long...Pretty soon people will be macroing
cast summoning
cast cure cast heal...That would sure suck huh.
and lack of regs is never a real problem jeez I have never been unable to
locate enough regs to play within 15 minutes.
If OSI got rid of all the complainers and whiners this would be a better
game..I cannot believe the things I whined about as a newbie...But my
character has grown up,,,too bad
other characters cant do the same..
PannDorra
Jack Benny
>
> I was responding to Jack Benny, actually. Getting OSI to change these
> things is perfectly legitimate.
Yeah let's go out and encourage OSI to "fix the game" which translates
to "limit *all* the players more."
No thanks. I'll be more than happy to try to modify players behavior to
be more in line with the designers intentions before I'll advocate
restricting all players for the crimes of the few.
Jack
Jaquar
I could have sworn he indicated it had to do with the level not
frequency of use. ie macroing during low use hours give you no better
gains.
Jaquar
wrote:
>Jaquar wrote:
To be honest I know that is one of the detectable things so I only ran
around town a few times with it. It did make my walking atleast feel
lag free. I didn't seem any faster though. (I guess I can't gage my
own walking) Want to try it out some night and see if you can tell?
Jack Benny
>
> To be honest I know that is one of the detectable things so I only ran
> around town a few times with it. It did make my walking atleast feel
> lag free. I didn't seem any faster though. (I guess I can't gage my
> own walking) Want to try it out some night and see if you can tell?
>
I wouldn't mind testing it out with you. That way we can both get a
perspective on what it really looks like. Do you have the program?
I'll get you to send it to me (I'm deathly afraid of Back Orifice and
dont want to get it from a bad source).
Maybe this coming weekend I can squeeze it in, but I'll be honest with
you - I bought a DVD player and a digital reciever with a home theatre
speaker system - I'll likely be playing with that for a bit.
Jack
Damocles
wrote:
>Damocles wrote:
>>
>> I've had people lecture me on how NOT cleaning out the reg vendors
>> when you buy regs screws up the reg spawn for everyone else. Besides,
>> the big reg buyers are the vendor suppliers who clean out the entire
>> stock and resell them - mostly to the same macro mages you so hate.
>
>Which proves my point. If its the macro mages buying the reagents from
>a 2nd party or directly it doesnt matter. If 50 mages on the shard at
>the start/end/middle of the busy hours are looking for reagents to macro
>overnight any other player isnt going to get reagents.
People are always looking for reagents. They are the most sought after
things in the game. Not just for macroing...I played this game for ten
months and bought thousands of reagents before I macroed a single
spell. Sure, macro mages gobble up the regs, but so does everyone else
who uses magery. The vendors still respawn and people can still buy
more.
>
>> True of all macroers. But then, you hate them all, don't you?
>
>I'll readily admit I wish OSI would keep up with their stated policy and
>ban people using 3rd party programs. And let's be honest for a change
>and recognize the fact that the smallest minority of people jam a key
>down to macro - and for the most part these spells are summoning spells,
>and I've got the smallest amount of sympathy for someone who macros
>summoning.
>
I used the jam a key down approach to macroing for months before I
discovered UOA. My original character was built up completely
macro-free. Since then, other chars have been macroed and that
original char has been re-invented using macroing in UOA.
For the record, I only macro summoning in my house, which quickly
fills with elementals wandering back and forth.
>>
>> I've already proposed eliminating the ability to cast in a given area
>> around the heavily trafficked places.
>
>But that's addressing the symptoms and not the heart of the matter.
The heart of the matter is human nature. No way of addressing that.
>
>> Kind of like tamers filling the stables with 60 tamed critters they'll
>> never use, or collectors storing 200 crystal balls in their houses.
>> The game is full of selfish people.
>
>Yep, and generally these people are the first ones to bitch about things
>like lowering weight/item counts on containers, etc. People need to
>understand you dont shit where you live.
>
>But instead they continue to abuse the system to it's fullest extent,
>causing OSI to restrict everyone else that much more.
Yes, that's why I've never had a problem with container limits. Hell,
I played the game back when there wasn't even bank space.
>
>> Wow, you've just condemned most UO players, including people in this
>> newsgroup (the SBR guild was built around people quickly macroing up
>> their characters), to the status of asshole cheaters.
>
>I also despise the fact that we have to have a police force IRL to go
>out and enforce what should be common sense. I despise the criminals
>who dont give a fuck about anyone else. But the only difference between
>a police officer and a criminal many times is that a police officer has
>the backing of the government. In UO there is no government. You
>either do what the programming allows you to do, or you try and play the
>game the way it was intended. Sometimes you have to enforce what you
>feel is right and best for all players by physically forcing someone to
>conform.
>
>I understand the need for SBR to macro. While it certainly is not
>character building it is character advancement. When your enemy uses a
>flamethrower against you and all you have is a stick you dont stand
>there and fight him with a stick. You go get a flamethrower yourself.
>You fight fire with fire. You beat jerks at their own game. It's the
>only thing they understand and it's the only way to deal with these
>types of people.
>
>So do I like macroers and 3rd party users.. NO. Do I understand the
>need for people like SBR to use them? Absolutely.
So it's alright for the good guys to macro to their heart's content,
because they're good guys. Interesting logic. If you truly believe
it's wrong, you wouldn't do it at all, I'd think. Two wrongs don't
make a right and all that.
>
>> Even as I type this, my new
>> character is macroing anatomy on a hired peasant in the safety of my
>> home. Even if some rabid killer like yourself took him out, it'd be
>> child's play to put him back in action.
>>
>> Congratulations on finding a good killing justification, though. Most
>> pkillers aren't clever enough to do that.
>
>I'll readily admit what I'm doing is pkilling. But you know what.. I'm
>doing exactly what they are doing - which is playing the game in a
>manner not intended by the programmers, but allowed by the coding - but
>the better thing, I'm beating them at their own game. Macroing is about
>"Look, I've got a bigger dick than you do." and nothing more. And every
>jerk in the game has that mentality.
So if you can't beat them, join them, eh? Heh...
>
>Congratulations on proliferating the tactic of playing this game by what
>the coding allows you to do, and not how the game was intended to be
>played. You make a better UO for everyone.
>/sarcasm off
Thanks, Jack, I do try to make the world a better place.
Damocles
>>
>>I'm right there with you on this too. I really like my main
>>characters. It took me a long time to develop them into what I want -
>>and the best thing is that I have no overhead for macroed skills to get
>>stats.
>>
>>But I've macroed with the best of them. Fight fire with fire. Beat the
>>jerks at their own game so to speak.
>>
>>Jack
>
>I of course agree. J isn't what she used to be though. I need to put
>her in the shop for a while.
>
>
That's what I did with Damocles. I'm trying to re-engineer him so he
can compete in today's market, so to speak. I've ditched archery and
am trying to finally reach GM magery with high meditation. Of course,
I couldn't raise meditation without screwing up my stats...I'm down to
61 strength. Yikes! I've switched over to mace fighting in an attempt
to bring it back up. I've also got high anatomy now for that extra
damage hit.
Damocles
wrote:
>Jaquar wrote:
>>
>> Actually, I am not going to post it, but I can make a macro in UOA
>> that can kill a player with one click of a button. Do I use it? Nah,
>> no real use since I am not a pk. I defend 90% of the time.
>>
>
>I'm right there with you. I use UOA in a very limited way. I most
>certainly dont use it to do insta-kill tactics. I'm not interested in
>that. I'd much rather have a challenge instead of a sure fire ganking
>method.
>
>But that's the reason we get along. While we both are fully aware of
>*how* to be an all powerful cheating asshole we dont do it.
>
>Jack
I'm not aware of this, never even considered using a macro in combat.
Oh well.
Damocles
wrote:
>Jaquar wrote:
>>
>> To be honest I know that is one of the detectable things so I only ran
>> around town a few times with it. It did make my walking atleast feel
>> lag free. I didn't seem any faster though. (I guess I can't gage my
>> own walking) Want to try it out some night and see if you can tell?
>>
>
>I wouldn't mind testing it out with you. That way we can both get a
>perspective on what it really looks like. Do you have the program?
>I'll get you to send it to me (I'm deathly afraid of Back Orifice and
>dont want to get it from a bad source).
>
UOE's functionality has been steadily stripped away by various
patches. The multi-last target function was the worst...remember those
guys who could steal 15 items at once? That's gone now, though.
I've never used it myself even on the TC. Same applies with UOPlugin.
Damocles
wrote:
>Damocles wrote:
Killing macroers isn't likely to do that. The guys you killed probably
just relocated to another city where they wouldn't be pestered.
Jaquar
wrote:
>Jaquar wrote:
>>
>> To be honest I know that is one of the detectable things so I only ran
>> around town a few times with it. It did make my walking atleast feel
>> lag free. I didn't seem any faster though. (I guess I can't gage my
>> own walking) Want to try it out some night and see if you can tell?
>>
>
>I wouldn't mind testing it out with you. That way we can both get a
>perspective on what it really looks like. Do you have the program?
>I'll get you to send it to me (I'm deathly afraid of Back Orifice and
>dont want to get it from a bad source).
>
>Maybe this coming weekend I can squeeze it in, but I'll be honest with
>you - I bought a DVD player and a digital reciever with a home theatre
>speaker system - I'll likely be playing with that for a bit.
>
>Jack
Whenever I am in no rush. I am pretty tight with my security too, so
I will icq it to you.
DVD? You bastard! I am absolutely chomping at the bit to get mine.
There are a lot of movies with better cuts that are DVD only =-[
Richard Cortese
>
<snips here & there>
> Another point UOA is great to use when you have carpal tunnel..Hehehe
> wouldn't the stuff hit the fan if OSI banned a legally handicapped person
> from using a 3rd party program? Can you imagine that lawsuit.
features you could not get by a series of mouse clicks.
That is, even things like last target or disarm could be down within the
normal functions of the game just by clicking a target or manually
disarming.
Of course if a legally handicapped person is using UOP to steal items
through walls, they get banned.
>
> I very rarely macro in town and if I do its on my boat..Outta the way..
$.02, this isn't safe. Someone can cast a blade spirit or poison field
on your boat.
>
> Killing macroers is right up there with killing miners..Its a scummy thing
> to do...Voice your
Situation dependant. Killing a macroing miner on say Fire Isle is not
equivalent with killing a macroing mage that waits until after GM hours,
then fills the magic shop with summoned creatures all night.
> complaints to osi about bank macroers, and don't say OSI never does
Outside normal GM hours. Let me repeat, outside normal GM hours.
> anything about complaints...Because everything that has been desecrated in
> skills came of whining people about pks.
Wow!!! This has to be the worst troll I have seen. I mean it is so
transparent it hurts!
But then I am sometimes disappointed when Dennis uses one liners like,
~"PKs are everything that is wrong with the game." I usually just figure
he is busy and didn't have time to compose a more sophisticated troll.
I guess everyone has to start somewhere, but newbie trollers are kind of
hard to take in a newsgroup. I wish there was a place they could go to
learn how to do it before they come into a newsgroup.
Strife
*Trouble raises his hand and guiltily admits:*
Jack,
I must admit to being a macro-mage. As a SBR mage, I have had to get
my mage up fast and on an old shard (LS). The types of ppl I fight
generally have 90+ resist and GM magery. With the rate of advancement
of resist and magery, it would take me months of play just to reach
the 80s in those skills. Thus I must admit to macroing magery and
resist in town to try to catch up.
However I try to limit the impact of this on other players by macroing
in out-of-the-way places and have never macro'ed summoning. I do this
because I find the whole thing cheesy but unavoidable. I'm not going
to use Wind mages as that is faaar too cheesy a tactic.
Frankly I hate doing it. If this were not a PvP mud, I would like my
stats to develop naturally through use. However as it is, the value
of my skills depend on the skills of my opponents. Those of my
opponents are, to put it mildly, rather high.
Strife/Trouble
SBR
Jaquar
wrote:
J is a GM mage of course. That is why I am nervous to retool
Jack Benny
> So it's alright for the good guys to macro to their heart's content,
> because they're good guys. Interesting logic. If you truly believe
> it's wrong, you wouldn't do it at all, I'd think. Two wrongs don't
> make a right and all that.
Unfortunately macroing supercharacters has unbalance the game so much
that in order for the SBR to combat the bullying jerks they had to beat
them at their own game - which means making supercharacters. When
Godzilla comes to town you dont send out the mayor to negotiate a truce.
Macroing magery bypasses the weakness of magery - the fact that low
level mages are supposed to be weak - and brings everyone up to the
level of casting e-bolts with success over the period of a few nights.
Using a 3rd party program also bypasses the weaknesses of magery -
knowing if you have enough reagents, and targetting players)
You seem to think that this game is about absolutes. It's not. Just
because you use a 3rd party program doesnt mean that you abuse it. I,
like many other people dont use UOA to gain advantages over other
players so I can be a bigger jerk and "Rul3". If I wanted to I could
use UOA to completly stomp ass. But I dont. I understand balace. Try
being a pure melee weapons user. Even with UOA I doubt you could hack
it.
But when someone like that comes along and tries to kill your character
you can run or you can fight. If you run they still get what they
wanted - which is domination of another person. If you fight you stand
a great chance of losing if you dont also use the same tactics and
automation features that a 3rd party program provides. And then they
get what they want. The only way they dont get what they want is if you
beat them.
And my real beef is with mages - with the latest additions to targeting
it's damn near impossible not to be able to target someone. Ranged
weapons should have the difficulty of targetting. If I run under a tree
or behind a rock you should only be able to target me if you follow me
there. Magery is the most powerful PvP weapon in the game. If you are
having problems killing people with it then that's *your* problem. FWIW
I ran around with a mage with 35 hit points and no 3rd party programs
for 6 months on sonoma. I was killed very rarely even though a few good
hits could kill me. You have to be smarter. Just because you have a
high skill level doesnt mean you can kill a rabbit. It just means that
you have the potential. If you cant come up with tactics, well then I
guess there's always cheating. You say you use UOA to "even the field"
- I say that as a mage, you already had the field advantage. You have
the ability to do massive amounts of damage in a very short time from
completely across the screen. And before the latest patches you could
do it from as many screens away as you wanted. All thanks to 3rd party
programs.
Notice how very few of the mace wielders and swordsmen didnt bitch about
mages, but once the mages started getting beat up a bit by them they all
whine like hell that the field is not balanced?
Macroing is about
> >"Look, I've got a bigger dick than you do." and nothing more. And every
> >jerk in the game has that mentality.
>
> So if you can't beat them, join them, eh? Heh...
I dont macro. I dont have a problem with SBR macroing to combat other
macro'd characters. I'm growing tired of your veiled accusations. If
you dont like the fact that I'm killing macroing mages then you must be
sensative to the topic. If you take the time to examine most of the
posts in reply here.. alot of people agree with me. Maybe it's time to
examine *your* behavior for modification and not mine.
> Thanks, Jack, I do try to make the world a better place.
Translation - you play the game to the limit of the coding, and dont
give a rats ass if they have to change it to combat 3rd party program
use, thereby affecting *all* customers.
I honestly doubt that OSI has a problem that I use UOA to switch out my
halberd to a broadsword. After all I still have to be standing right
next to you to attack you, and I still have to double click on you. I
cant just hit my last object key and smash you like a bug from 3 screens
away. (I realized that this was fixed, but thanks to you 3rd party mages
we now have a larger more complex code base with more overhead)
I feel completly confident that OSI has a problem with the use of last
target, macroing magery, and playing the game to the limit of the
coding. But dont ask me.. ask Raph. Put your money where you mouth is.
Jack
Jack Benny
>
Ok - here it is for the last time. I hate macroing. But I know that to
combat the assholes out there that it has to be done.
Macroing in town by the bank summoning creatures and yelling "Vendor
Bank Rescu Recdu Guards kill this dickhed" is my definition of an
asshole.
FWIW I didnt go looking for a mage e-bolting themselves on the second
floor of the buildings going out of brit.
I killed the ones that did the macro shouting guards or summoning over
and over at the bank.
I'll be honest here - I dont like being trounced on my macro mages. I
think magery is so overpowered it's not even funny. Any 3rd party using
mage worth his salt has the ability to deal out 70+ points of damage
inside of 5 seconds and whip out his halberd to finish the victim off.
Doing this is my way of sending the message that most people dont
appreciate the tactic of macro magery. It drains far too many
rescources, from in game to network and cpu resources.
Jack
Damocles
wrote:
>Damocles wrote:
>
>> So it's alright for the good guys to macro to their heart's content,
>> because they're good guys. Interesting logic. If you truly believe
>> it's wrong, you wouldn't do it at all, I'd think. Two wrongs don't
>> make a right and all that.
>
>Unfortunately macroing supercharacters has unbalance the game so much
>that in order for the SBR to combat the bullying jerks they had to beat
>them at their own game - which means making supercharacters. When
>Godzilla comes to town you dont send out the mayor to negotiate a truce.
That's the usual excuse, isn't it? The macroing supercharacters say
the same thing. The difference is, the SBR has the advantage of
hunting jerks. I don't question that, I think it's great. But because
they hunt jerks you seem to say they aren't subject to the same rules
as the rest of us. Hell, they even used the old "work archery with no
arrows" bug, which goes beyond macroing into the realm of pure cheats.
>
>You seem to think that this game is about absolutes. It's not. Just
>because you use a 3rd party program doesnt mean that you abuse it. I,
>like many other people dont use UOA to gain advantages over other
>players so I can be a bigger jerk and "Rul3". If I wanted to I could
>use UOA to completly stomp ass. But I dont. I understand balace. Try
>being a pure melee weapons user. Even with UOA I doubt you could hack
>it.
Ha! You think so, do you? Well, me boyo, I started the game sixteen
months ago as a pure melee fighter. I'm right now running a mace
fighter with 0 magery, building up skills by fighting critters - and
earth elementals summoned by a GM mage at the Papua bank. She summoned
5 for me, cast reactive armor and bless on me and transferred them all
to me so I could practice with. I was very grateful for her help.
>
>And my real beef is with mages - with the latest additions to targeting
>it's damn near impossible not to be able to target someone. Ranged
>weapons should have the difficulty of targetting. If I run under a tree
>or behind a rock you should only be able to target me if you follow me
>there. Magery is the most powerful PvP weapon in the game. If you are
>having problems killing people with it then that's *your* problem. FWIW
>I ran around with a mage with 35 hit points and no 3rd party programs
>for 6 months on sonoma. I was killed very rarely even though a few good
>hits could kill me. You have to be smarter. Just because you have a
>high skill level doesnt mean you can kill a rabbit. It just means that
>you have the potential. If you cant come up with tactics, well then I
>guess there's always cheating. You say you use UOA to "even the field"
>- I say that as a mage, you already had the field advantage. You have
>the ability to do massive amounts of damage in a very short time from
>completely across the screen. And before the latest patches you could
>do it from as many screens away as you wanted. All thanks to 3rd party
>programs.
Let's go back six months to when I started using UOA. At that time,
every time you failed targeting you'd get the dreaded "you are already
casting a spell" bug. You'd be defenceless for the 30 or 40 seconds it
took for that to clear, while Mr. GM archer laughed as his heavy
crossbow cut holes into you. This in effect made it almost impossible
to fight an archer as a mage unless you were in a completely open area
and he wasn't moving much.
The problem was never with melee fighters, it was with the archers. I
never abused UOA, I never created combat macros or anything like that.
So don't lecture me on learning proper fighting techniques.
>
>Notice how very few of the mace wielders and swordsmen didnt bitch about
>mages, but once the mages started getting beat up a bit by them they all
>whine like hell that the field is not balanced?
I never whined. I enjoy melee fighting as much as I do magery. I never
liked archery and was happy to be finally able to let it go now that
parrying is being beefed up.
>
>Macroing is about
>> >"Look, I've got a bigger dick than you do." and nothing more. And every
>> >jerk in the game has that mentality.
>>
>> So if you can't beat them, join them, eh? Heh...
>
>I dont macro. I dont have a problem with SBR macroing to combat other
>macro'd characters. I'm growing tired of your veiled accusations. If
>you dont like the fact that I'm killing macroing mages then you must be
>sensative to the topic. If you take the time to examine most of the
>posts in reply here.. alot of people agree with me. Maybe it's time to
>examine *your* behavior for modification and not mine.
>
Kill away, Jack. My objection is to the hypocrisy I see behind killing
mages for using third party programs when you use one yourself. A lot
of the people agreeing with you here also use UOA to macro up their
characters, as shown by the response to my post on UOA earlier.
You said in another post that you didn't hunt down macroing mages in
quiet corners of the city, you killed the idiots at the bank or mage
shops. If that's true, then I don't have a problem with what you do.
>
>> Thanks, Jack, I do try to make the world a better place.
>
>Translation - you play the game to the limit of the coding, and dont
>give a rats ass if they have to change it to combat 3rd party program
>use, thereby affecting *all* customers.
If I played the game to the limit of its coding, I'd have looted
houses, duped gold, and trapped monsters for my personal use. As it
stands, I use UOA because it makes the game better for me, period.
Just like you do.
>
>I honestly doubt that OSI has a problem that I use UOA to switch out my
>halberd to a broadsword. After all I still have to be standing right
>next to you to attack you, and I still have to double click on you. I
>cant just hit my last object key and smash you like a bug from 3 screens
>away. (I realized that this was fixed, but thanks to you 3rd party mages
>we now have a larger more complex code base with more overhead)
>
>I feel completly confident that OSI has a problem with the use of last
>target, macroing magery, and playing the game to the limit of the
>coding. But dont ask me.. ask Raph. Put your money where you mouth is.
>
>Jack
Heh, actually if you go to the Tugsoft web page you'll see that OSI
does NOT have a problem with last target. Here, I'll get the quote:
[begin quote]
1-12-99
Received a new message from OSI on the approval process. The changes
made to last target seem to have satisfied them but now the ability to
skip the UO updater (except once per day) is at issue and the UOAssist
auto-updating is also a concern. I am responding to them again and
providing a new version of UOAssist to them as well.
[end quote]
The changes made reduced the range of last targeting so it could no
longer reach people off-screen (something I never did but which others
did indeed abuse). They never even blinked an eye at the macroing
abilities of UOAssist. So I'm afraid you're out of luck on that score.
Jaquar
wrote:
>Strife wrote:
Now damn Jack, you just described my killing technique... 3 high
power spells then the hally if you aren't healing up...
Jack Benny
>
> That's the usual excuse, isn't it? The macroing supercharacters say
> the same thing. The difference is, the SBR has the advantage of
> hunting jerks. I don't question that, I think it's great. But because
> they hunt jerks you seem to say they aren't subject to the same rules
> as the rest of us. Hell, they even used the old "work archery with no
> arrows" bug, which goes beyond macroing into the realm of pure cheats.
>
Well the difference between you and me here is obvious and boils down to
one thing: If I or any of my friends was ever killed macroing I'd not
even blink an eye. You do the crime you do the time.
You wont catch me whining about how unfair it is. I'd probably not even
report the murder, just chalk it up to my stupidity for not being more
careful.
But as I said before.. you are the one here with the problem. YOU
flamed me first. You dont like it, come and stop me big boy. There's
no reason to attack me personally. If I get banned for using UOA That's
also well and good with me.
But better yet.. warn your brethren that people will kill them if they
macro.
> I'm right now running a mace
> fighter with 0 magery, building up skills by fighting critters - and
> earth elementals summoned by a GM mage at the Papua bank. She summoned
> 5 for me, cast reactive armor and bless on me and transferred them all
> to me so I could practice with. I was very grateful for her help.
Good for you. But I doubt the other players trying to use the bank
appreciated it. But to miss the idea that others may not like it.. well
that's just a bit short sighted dont you think?
> Let's go back six months to when I started using UOA. At that time,
> every time you failed targeting you'd get the dreaded "you are already
> casting a spell" bug. You'd be defenceless for the 30 or 40 seconds it
> took for that to clear, while Mr. GM archer laughed as his heavy
> crossbow cut holes into you. This in effect made it almost impossible
> to fight an archer as a mage unless you were in a completely open area
> and he wasn't moving much.
So what happened to your "let OSI do the fixing" attitude? When it
benefits you it's ok, but if I kill off some 3rd party/macroing mages
its not?
Hypocrite? Me? Hello pot.. kettle here.
> Kill away, Jack. My objection is to the hypocrisy I see behind killing
> mages for using third party programs when you use one yourself. A lot
> of the people agreeing with you here also use UOA to macro up their
> characters, as shown by the response to my post on UOA earlier.
>
> You said in another post that you didn't hunt down macroing mages in
> quiet corners of the city, you killed the idiots at the bank or mage
> shops. If that's true, then I don't have a problem with what you do.
It would have been much easier had you asked this question in the first
place and not started this flame war eh?
>I use UOA because it makes the game better for me, period.
> Just like you do.
Nope.. I use it for one reason. I like to prove to the jerks that they
can and will be beaten at their own game.
I'll be the last person to bitch about UOA if OSI nukes it where it does
not work ever again. I wont even bat an eye at UOP or UOE - which are
programs suited specifically to cheat other players. How about you?
>
> Heh, actually if you go to the Tugsoft web page you'll see that OSI
> does NOT have a problem with last target. Here, I'll get the quote:
>
> [begin quote]
>
> 1-12-99
>
> Received a new message from OSI on the approval process. The changes
> made to last target seem to have satisfied them but now the ability to
> skip the UO updater (except once per day) is at issue and the UOAssist
> auto-updating is also a concern. I am responding to them again and
> providing a new version of UOAssist to them as well.
Apparantly they had a big enough problem with it to make tell tugsoft to
make changes *and* make changes in the game to where you cant cast off
screen anymore. That was a month ago.. So OSI *DID* infact have a
problem with it. Personally I dont use it.
And remember UOA *has not* been approved. So it's not legitimate yet.
When/if it becomes legitimate you wont hear me say a word.
> The changes made reduced the range of last targeting so it could no
> longer reach people off-screen (something I never did but which others
> did indeed abuse). They never even blinked an eye at the macroing
> abilities of UOAssist. So I'm afraid you're out of luck on that score.
There's a huge difference between not saying anything and saying
something is ok. OSI's policy states no 3rd party programs. Macroing
like this is using a 3rd party program. GM's regularly log people off
and move people that macro. They are also fixing boat mining and house
macroing in upcoming patches. Sounds like they have a problem with it to
me.
Jack
Jack Benny
>
> Now damn Jack, you just described my killing technique... 3 high
> power spells then the hally if you aren't healing up...
And you damn near got me too you bastard!
=P
Jack
Driakos
Jack Benny wrote in message
>FWIW I didnt go looking for a mage e-bolting themselves on the second
>floor of the buildings going out of brit.
Haha! You saw this guy too? I was running around Brit looking for hiders
to reveal, and found this fella in a NPC's house, second story doing just
that.... For 3 days and nights he was there. A couple times when I stopped
in to check on him, he was actually at the keyboard. Pretty boring way to
play. N, NE part of Brit, North of the smaller bank. Small world.
Driakos.
Scott Morton
Those idiots ruin the game for everyone by lagging us out in town
and blocking entrances.
They deserve to die as often as possible.
On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:23:57 +0000, PannDorra <pann...@mediaone.net>
wrote:
>I wholeheartedly agree with you damocles...Do not stone a person unless you
>be sin free.
>
>Another point UOA is great to use when you have carpal tunnel..Hehehe
>wouldn't the stuff hit the fan if OSI banned a legally handicapped person
>from using a 3rd party program? Can you imagine that lawsuit.
>
>I very rarely macro in town and if I do its on my boat..Outta the way..
>
>Killing macroers is right up there with killing miners..Its a scummy thing
>to do...Voice your
>complaints to osi about bank macroers, and don't say OSI never does
>anything about complaints...Because everything that has been desecrated in
>skills came of whining people about pks.
>
Damocles
wrote:
>Damocles wrote:
>>
>> That's the usual excuse, isn't it? The macroing supercharacters say
>> the same thing. The difference is, the SBR has the advantage of
>> hunting jerks. I don't question that, I think it's great. But because
>> they hunt jerks you seem to say they aren't subject to the same rules
>> as the rest of us. Hell, they even used the old "work archery with no
>> arrows" bug, which goes beyond macroing into the realm of pure cheats.
>>
>
>Well the difference between you and me here is obvious and boils down to
>one thing: If I or any of my friends was ever killed macroing I'd not
>even blink an eye. You do the crime you do the time.
I don't wail and scream either, but I do point the hypocrisy of
putting yourself on a higher moral pedestal than the rest of us.
>
>You wont catch me whining about how unfair it is. I'd probably not even
>report the murder, just chalk it up to my stupidity for not being more
>careful.
Not much point anyway, most of the chars doing it are throwaways.
>
>But as I said before.. you are the one here with the problem. YOU
>flamed me first. You dont like it, come and stop me big boy. There's
>no reason to attack me personally. If I get banned for using UOA That's
>also well and good with me.
>
>But better yet.. warn your brethren that people will kill them if they
>macro.
Your entire post was an attack on people who macro magery. You didn't
specify that it was only people at banks and mage shops summoning
critters, you said ALL macroing mages.
>
>> I'm right now running a mace
>> fighter with 0 magery, building up skills by fighting critters - and
>> earth elementals summoned by a GM mage at the Papua bank. She summoned
>> 5 for me, cast reactive armor and bless on me and transferred them all
>> to me so I could practice with. I was very grateful for her help.
>
>Good for you. But I doubt the other players trying to use the bank
>appreciated it. But to miss the idea that others may not like it.. well
>that's just a bit short sighted dont you think?
The bank was empty, no one but me, the mage and the NPCs. No one
suffered.
>
>> Let's go back six months to when I started using UOA. At that time,
>> every time you failed targeting you'd get the dreaded "you are already
>> casting a spell" bug. You'd be defenceless for the 30 or 40 seconds it
>> took for that to clear, while Mr. GM archer laughed as his heavy
>> crossbow cut holes into you. This in effect made it almost impossible
>> to fight an archer as a mage unless you were in a completely open area
>> and he wasn't moving much.
>
>
>So what happened to your "let OSI do the fixing" attitude? When it
>benefits you it's ok, but if I kill off some 3rd party/macroing mages
>its not?
>
>Hypocrite? Me? Hello pot.. kettle here.
>
You're not really getting my point. Of course it's okay, kill away.
I've killed all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons. I don't puff
out my chest and start preaching afterwards, though. That's where my
problem is.
>>
>> You said in another post that you didn't hunt down macroing mages in
>> quiet corners of the city, you killed the idiots at the bank or mage
>> shops. If that's true, then I don't have a problem with what you do.
>
>
>It would have been much easier had you asked this question in the first
>place and not started this flame war eh?
>
You implied in your original post that you hunted all macroing mages,
even in the corners and took them out.
Quote:
"I did this 9 other times and killed 15 mages across the land, only
failing once. "
That says to me that you went out looking for mages to kill.
>
>>I use UOA because it makes the game better for me, period.
>> Just like you do.
>
>Nope.. I use it for one reason. I like to prove to the jerks that they
>can and will be beaten at their own game.
>
>I'll be the last person to bitch about UOA if OSI nukes it where it does
>not work ever again. I wont even bat an eye at UOP or UOE - which are
>programs suited specifically to cheat other players. How about you?
I'd have a hard time continuing playing, to be honest. Not for the
combat "advantages", but for all the other useful features that take
some of the tedium and annoyance out of UO life.
>
>>
>> Heh, actually if you go to the Tugsoft web page you'll see that OSI
>> does NOT have a problem with last target. Here, I'll get the quote:
<snip>
>
>Apparantly they had a big enough problem with it to make tell tugsoft to
>make changes *and* make changes in the game to where you cant cast off
>screen anymore. That was a month ago.. So OSI *DID* infact have a
>problem with it. Personally I dont use it.
The changes made had no effect on me, and I do use it. The point is,
OSI accepts last target, so you having a problem with it means zero.
>
>And remember UOA *has not* been approved. So it's not legitimate yet.
>When/if it becomes legitimate you wont hear me say a word.
It's not legitimate for technical reasons and the general slowness of
OSI response on these things. For all intents and purposes, it's
acceptable - much as it was quasi-legal for months before the third
party ban went into effect.
>
>There's a huge difference between not saying anything and saying
>something is ok. OSI's policy states no 3rd party programs. Macroing
>like this is using a 3rd party program. GM's regularly log people off
>and move people that macro. They are also fixing boat mining and house
>macroing in upcoming patches. Sounds like they have a problem with it to
>me.
>
>Jack
Do they, now? Funny how it's never happened to me in all this time. I
think like all other such policies you have to go out of your way to
make an ass of yourself before action is taken. Since I hurt no one
with what I do, it means nothing to me.
As for boat mining, what's wrong with that? I don't block myself in
and never touch anyone else's ore. The most I've ever pulled in in a
night is 600 ore. If they do anything it will to keep idiots from
blocking passage by surrounding themselves with dummy boats.
Jack Benny
> I don't wail and scream either, but I do point the hypocrisy of
> putting yourself on a higher moral pedestal than the rest of us.
I've never once said it's ok for me to use it. I dont like using it. I
will continue to use it as long as the cheaters do. What's good for the
goose is good for the gander.
I also despise the use of nuclear weapons. But I wouldnt bat an eye if
we nuked another country preparing to use nuclear weapons against us.
Again you are equating this to a moral abosolute. There is not one
here.
> Your entire post was an attack on people who macro magery. You didn't
> specify that it was only people at banks and mage shops summoning
> critters, you said ALL macroing mages.
Showing your astute powers in observation and debating you've managed to
put words in my mouth. Read my post again. I never said ALL. I said
"I did this 9 other times and killed 15 mages across the land, only
failing once."
"did this.. other times" translates to doing the same actions under the
same situation. It does not equal to the wholesale slaughter of every
mage macroing. I clearly stated I was at the bank.
> The bank was empty, no one but me, the mage and the NPCs. No one
> suffered.
And if a tree falls in the middle of the forest with no one to hear it,
it makes no sound either.
> You're not really getting my point. Of course it's okay, kill away.
> I've killed all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons. I don't puff
> out my chest and start preaching afterwards, though. That's where my
> problem is.
>
Hey, where's your "you play your game your way and I'll play my game my
way" attitude going?
> You implied in your original post that you hunted all macroing mages,
> even in the corners and took them out.
>
> Quote:
>
> "I did this 9 other times and killed 15 mages across the land, only
> failing once. "
> That says to me that you went out looking for mages to kill.
Do you also think that I went to go hunt baby harp seals with a club?
You could also get that from my post as well if you think I said that I
crawled in every nook and cranny. My clear gripe was about the public
mages macroing and spamming. You are grasping at straws here...
> > I'll be the last person to bitch about UOA if OSI nukes it where it does
> >not work ever again. I wont even bat an eye at UOP or UOE - which are
> >programs suited specifically to cheat other players. How about you?
>
> I'd have a hard time continuing playing, to be honest. Not for the
> combat "advantages", but for all the other useful features that take
> some of the tedium and annoyance out of UO life.
Again, what happened to your "let OSI fix it" attitude?
> The changes made had no effect on me, and I do use it. The point is,
> OSI accepts last target, so you having a problem with it means zero.
Yeah I've noticed that they've posted that on their (owo.com) web page
that last target (note - UOA is not the only program with last target)
is acceptable and to please feel free to download your favorite 3rd
party program and use this feature.
> It's not legitimate for technical reasons and the general slowness of
> OSI response on these things. For all intents and purposes, it's
> acceptable - much as it was quasi-legal for months before the third
> party ban went into effect.
>
> >
> >There's a huge difference between not saying anything and saying
> >something is ok. OSI's policy states no 3rd party programs.
You want to read what I wrote again? Not saying anything and saying
something is ok are hardly the same. If you tell me you are going into
the next room and shooting your mom and I dont say anything harldy means
I condone the action.
> Do they, now? Funny how it's never happened to me in all this time. I
> think like all other such policies you have to go out of your way to
> make an ass of yourself before action is taken. Since I hurt no one
> with what I do, it means nothing to me.
Again you show extreme short sightedness. Not hurting anyone? Yeah
those legitimate miners are really happy that you drive the demand and
price for their ingots down.
And dont argue that you only mine 600 ore a night either. You know damn
well that you contribute to the overall problem when you do it, much
like driving a car without the catalytic converter pollutes the air we
breathe. You are a contributor to a large problem. Ever heard of the
story about the straw that broke the camels back?
> As for boat mining, what's wrong with that? I don't block myself in
> and never touch anyone else's ore. The most I've ever pulled in in a
> night is 600 ore. If they do anything it will to keep idiots from
> blocking passage by surrounding themselves with dummy boats.
Jack
Jack Benny
>
> Ack. Killing people in town because you don't agree with what they are doing.
> Dewds don't agree with how we play the game either -I think a little tolerance
> alround would benefit everyone greatly.
>
> Jaew/Iridium
There were plenty of people at the bank that saw what I was doing. All
of them saw me go grey. Anyone could have called guards on me and
gotten me killed when I was trying to kill them. The whole process took
about 15 minutes, in which time anyone could have cured them.
No one did. In fact I had several people tell me good job.
Jack
Damocles
wrote:
>
>> You're not really getting my point. Of course it's okay, kill away.
>> I've killed all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons. I don't puff
>> out my chest and start preaching afterwards, though. That's where my
>> problem is.
>>
>
>Hey, where's your "you play your game your way and I'll play my game my
>way" attitude going?
What part of "kill away" do you not understand? It's the preaching,
not the killing, that is over the top.
>
>
>> You implied in your original post that you hunted all macroing mages,
>> even in the corners and took them out.
>>
>> Quote:
>>
>> "I did this 9 other times and killed 15 mages across the land, only
>> failing once. "
>> That says to me that you went out looking for mages to kill.
>
>Do you also think that I went to go hunt baby harp seals with a club?
>You could also get that from my post as well if you think I said that I
>crawled in every nook and cranny. My clear gripe was about the public
>mages macroing and spamming. You are grasping at straws here...
>
At the same time, you go on at length about the damage macroing mages
do to the game, how they're all powergaming assholes. That says to me
you aren't terribly selective about who take down.
>
>> > I'll be the last person to bitch about UOA if OSI nukes it where it does
>> >not work ever again. I wont even bat an eye at UOP or UOE - which are
>> >programs suited specifically to cheat other players. How about you?
>>
>> I'd have a hard time continuing playing, to be honest. Not for the
>> combat "advantages", but for all the other useful features that take
>> some of the tedium and annoyance out of UO life.
>
>
>Again, what happened to your "let OSI fix it" attitude?
>
? I simply said that pushing for changes is a good idea.
You just don't seem to get it. It's not the action itself that started
this - I've seen much worse for far less justification. It just seemed
like it was a moral crusade of yours against all macroers, scum that
they are. The justification you gave, in other words.
Corwin of Amber (Wind Elders, ATL)
>Dewds don't agree with how we play the game either -I think a little tolerance
>alround would benefit everyone greatly.
>
>Jaew/Iridium
People who make shops or banks impassable with their elementals are
just being jerks, and should be offed. If they must do it in town,
there are plenty of empty public buildings.
Reece hardy
Scott Morton
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:16:43 +1000, Reece hardy
<r.h...@mailbox.uq.edu.au> wrote:
>I guess I'm just biased because I reguarly check to see how my anatomy is going
>to find myself poisoned near death, or a pile of bones.
> How about crystal balls be made unstealable? This way they could practice
>they're magery without stuffing everyone else around.
> I've seen plenty of "noble" intentioned people use this trick on anyone
>macroing by the bank - funny -they all loot too.
> As for macroing - I have 2 computers side by side, I play BG on one and leave
>anatomy going on the other. Play the game - I'd rather not stand still and
>press a button for 8 hour stretches just to get a usable skill levels - it's
>just not fun. If the skills were'nt such a chore -I'd happily do it manually.
>
>Jaew/Iridium
>
So you go hunt things and practice anatomy on them while you fight.
What's the big deal? Do you have to be GM in 2 days?
Reece hardy
too invent more monotonous and boring tasks for me. Go figure.
If the skill system wasn't based soley on monotonous repitition - macroing
wouldn't work. Don't be surprised that people macro, we are just playing the
game well to the rules in place. I proberly spend more of my time *playing* the
game than you do - because I'm not sitting at a keyboard practicing 8 hours for
every hour playing =P
I don't macro in BG - I wonder why?
Jaew/Iridium
nos...@4est.com
> U suk dood, 1 oF tHOSe wS my MAge mastA
Oh no! He's typing in a unique mixture of upper-case and lower-case letters;
and bad spelling. He must be a gangsta. I'm so scared.
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Dundee
wrote:
>GM Anybody: "Hello"
Yeah right.
Look... er... How to say this?
They don't care.
Dundee * Lake Superior * SkeptAck AT antisocial DOT com
uo stuff: http://dundee.uong.com
The Town of Skara Brae on LS: http:/members.xoom.com/skara/
Damocles
wrote:
>IE., anyone caught automacroing and away from his terminal by a GM is
>subject to banning or disconnection. Which one is entirely at the
>discretion of the GM.
Yep, just like making a copy of Starcraft for your friend will get you
arrested.
Jaquar
Actually I will quit because I hate to read that stuff =-]
Jaquar of The Shadow's Soul
Guildmaster
Grandmaster Mage
Dennis Francis Heffernan
|On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 06:21:12 GMT, ori...@earthlink.net (OrionCA)
|wrote:
|
|>GM Anybody: "Hello"
|
|Yeah right.
|
|Look... er... How to say this?
|
|They don't care.
More to the point, they couldn't even if they wanted to. There aren't
enough GMs in the entire game to patrol even one shard for macroing
characters.
Dennis F. Heffernan UO: Venture (Catskills) dfra...@email.com
Montclair State U #include <disclaim.h> ICQ:9154048 CompSci/Philosophy
"And I say now these kittens, they do not get trained/As we did in the days
when Victoria reigned." -- T. S. Eliot, "Gus, the Theatre Cat"
Jack Benny
> I *think* there's a way to deal with that. Walk up and try to rez
> him: He gets the popup screen that offers him the choice of accepting
> your kind offer or not. If he's asleep at the switch his character
> should sit there doing nothing until UO times him out. If he's
> live-not-memorex he'll cancel it and keep on OoooOOOoOo'ing you until
> you go away. So you go back by and check him every hour or so to see
> if he's still at the keyboard.
>
> This is *harmless* to the Red ghost and will simply encourage him to
> find some more >>private<< spot to macro off his kills.
I'v tried doing this too. In the case of red ghosts that actually have
a person controlling them they usually end up running from me. It's
funny because all they have to do is go out of combat mode and I couldnt
see them, but instead we get these wild goose chases all over town.
With the ones that are macroing it does absolutly nothing. It wont even
time them out. Which is too bad, because it would be a good way of
players handling the problem.
FYI - if you try to ressurect a murderer you are flagged criminal and
the guards can be called on you.
Jack
Jack Benny
> What part of "kill away" do you not understand? It's the preaching,
> not the killing, that is over the top.
I'm hardly preaching. I dont expect everyone to adopt my reasons and
justifications for doing what I do. Personally I'd encourage people to
try and kill other players that exhibit self-centered and greedy game
play. This game is about community, yet a large majority wants to go
out and have all the strengths and none of the weakness associated with
every character in every RPG to date.
The game could be SO MUCH better if people would play the game as it was
intended instead of powergaming.
And I'll be honest, I fault OSI with not putting the people behind their
policy and enforcing what they intended instead of what the game code
allows. - But Raph has made it very clear that he wants us to develop
our own rules and community guidlines. So I'm doing that. And given
the fact that all it takes to stop me is someone yelling "guards" I'd
say I havent been discouraged by anyone yet.
So I do what I think is right.
In my opinion, macroers and other 3rd party program users cheapen the
game for everyone. It's like using one of those 3rd party programs to
give yourself unlimited life and all the money and resources you can
get. Those of us who would like to play the game and be presented with
a challenge are harmed more by abusers than anything else.
So yes, I'm bitter about it. These people seek to circumnavigate the
system to advance beyond me unfairly. They are (in my mind) akin to
those that use steriods in athletic fields - they seek to gain an unjust
advantage over everyone.
It's not a moral absolute that I abhor 3rd party programs, but use one
myself. I also enjoy taking the wind out of those people's sails that
think that because they have a 3rd party program they can go out and
"r0k" me. Well, I can play that game too. Personally if OSI ever gets
rid of it I'll be the first to pat them on the back. But dont expect me
to sit back and let the 3rd party abusers plow over me in the meantime.
But the difference between them and us is that many of us dont abuse the
system. They do. Macroing is an abuse and it cheapens the game for
everyone else. Unfortunately this game is about competition if you want
to venture anywhere beyond the tailor shops - and even there a person
with a macro program (like UOE, UOA and UOP) can so far outproduce
another person that it's not even funny.
For OSI to continue to let people play like this only furthers the
necessity of the other players to have the same program just so they can
play the game they want, and not get smacked down at every turn.
You dont have to like what I do, you dont have to read my posts. If you
dont like what I have to say, kill file me. I could care less.
> At the same time, you go on at length about the damage macroing mages
> do to the game, how they're all powergaming assholes. That says to me
> you aren't terribly selective about who take down.
And macroers are not terribly selective on who they impact that really
doesnt want to be impacted by their macroing either. -and that impact
does not end when the person stops their macro. They've now got a
character that has, for all practical purposes taken steriods. And then
they expect eveyone else to accept it and not care.
>
> You just don't seem to get it. It's not the action itself that started
> this - I've seen much worse for far less justification. It just seemed
> like it was a moral crusade of yours against all macroers, scum that
> they are. The justification you gave, in other words.
Like I said - they cheapen the game for everyone. Even those of us that
dont wish to play their game.
Jack
Dundee
wrote:
>Like I said - they cheapen the game for everyone. Even those of us that
>dont wish to play their game.
When are you gonna put up that FUSE or UOX or whatever shard?
;-P
***
-Dundee
Fiddler
<EF6206AE052F2DE6.22A62CCE...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
no...@nope.com wrote:
>That is untrue. Number of people at a level effects advancement not
>frequency of use. Yes they are related but you know what I mean.
I'm not talking about the number of people at a given level -- If this
were the problem it wouldn't be so bad.
*EVERY* person using Magery on a shard makes Magery advancement slower on
that shard. If a whole bunch of vegetables are standing around
macro-maging, they're slowing advancement for the people who are actually
playing.
Jack Benny
Oh I'm sure I'll snap again soon. I'm getting ADSL soon so I'll
probably be putting it up then. I used to be of the mind that it
wouldnt be good enough because FUSE isnt up to speed as much as the real
thing... but in retrospect I'd glady play over FUSE and take the
limitations than continue to play with the powergaming freaks.
Jack
Richard Cortese
>
> >People who make shops or banks impassable with their elementals are
> >just being jerks, and should be offed. If they must do it in town,
> >there are plenty of empty public buildings.
>
> people. Just like the idiot red ghost standing in the bank doorway
> macroing oooO oOooOOo oO for (what he thinks will be) 24 hours... of
> course, he's dead, so he could do this any damn place at all, with no
> danger, but he has to pick the doorway of the busiest place in
> Britannia. You really think that all these people that do this <don't>
> have a house? Who the hell owns all those houses, anyway? These are
> the same idiots that gather in the middle of town.... <to spar>... why
> do they do that? Well, the only reason I can think of is so everyone
> thinks they're bitchin. I know of an entire guild that meets to do
> this shit at the east bank on Sonoma.... and they have two towers that
> they very seldom even show up at, except to refresh. Go figure.
I wish I could come up with a catchy phase to discribe the phenomina.
But UO banks have the equivalent of mall rats. Mall rats don't go to
malls to buy something, UO bank rats don't go to banks to bank.
In this case, it is almost like the malls were charging a $9.95 per
month fee in order to 'hang there. Kind of a novel concept of the
electic mall. I doubt of if anyone at OSI would have predicted this. But
then I can't count that many predictions they have made that came
anywhere close to the final realities.
Lord Queso
>
>Look... er... How to say this?
>
>They don't care.
I called a GM on a macroer the other day, GM got rid of him within 3 minutes.
The Respectable Queso, 100% Pure Moonglow Master Mage (Atlantic)
"Usenet is like Tetris for people who still remember how to read"
"No one ever seems to take responsibility for anything anymore, but don't quote
me on that"
Damocles
wrote:
>It's not a moral absolute that I abhor 3rd party programs, but use one
>myself. I also enjoy taking the wind out of those people's sails that
>think that because they have a 3rd party program they can go out and
>"r0k" me. Well, I can play that game too. Personally if OSI ever gets
>rid of it I'll be the first to pat them on the back. But dont expect me
>to sit back and let the 3rd party abusers plow over me in the meantime.
>
>But the difference between them and us is that many of us dont abuse the
>system. They do. Macroing is an abuse and it cheapens the game for
>everyone else. Unfortunately this game is about competition if you want
>to venture anywhere beyond the tailor shops - and even there a person
>with a macro program (like UOE, UOA and UOP) can so far outproduce
>another person that it's not even funny.
>
>For OSI to continue to let people play like this only furthers the
>necessity of the other players to have the same program just so they can
>play the game they want, and not get smacked down at every turn.
>
>You dont have to like what I do, you dont have to read my posts. If you
>dont like what I have to say, kill file me. I could care less.
I can respect this, Jack. In many ways, I reached the same conclusion
you did, but about eight months ago. The first character I created,
the one I still use, was made completely without macroing. Since then,
however, I've worked within the system in use by most players, which
is macroing. I still don't use any of the blatant cheats, like archery
without arrows, stuff like that. I'd never do that. You've mentioned
using UOA macros in combat - never even occurred to me to do that.
I guess with time it's not much fun to spend weeks and months building
up characters from scratch. To be honest, I don't have the time
anymore. It's not my intent to hurt anyone, and from what DD has said
about the skill system I don't see that I am. I'm just working
characters.
flister john m.
Yestereve in Britain the BlooPK HadeS is macroing with 614 of all the
elemental summoning reagents in front of the North Britain magery
cathedral. hmmm.... 614 drake is 1,842 gold. 614 bloodmoss is 4,298 gold,
I mean, just think about that! This bozo thinks he's da bomb for
flaunting use of a 3pp to build up what everyone knows is a pk god on
chesapeake.
So I proposition all the citizens standing around whining: "how much will
ye contract me for to kill this vile swine?". 3k was dumped on me
immediately. I dropped it at the bank, removed my clothes, and deadly
poisoned my newbie dagger, which even though I am a GM Alchemist/Assassin
never leaves my corpse. 4 attempts later, HadeS was dead, and the
populace cheered...
I mean, he could have at least been macroing earth elementals... =P
Zeral Phalaz,
Soon to be granted the great art of backstabbing by DD.
Damocles
According to DD, that's only true in the initial phase of a shard.
Once it's established, only fundamental skill shifts (like the healing
skill suddenly becoming useful) cause significant changes.
Jack Benny
>
> I guess with time it's not much fun to spend weeks and months building
> up characters from scratch. To be honest, I don't have the time
> anymore. It's not my intent to hurt anyone, and from what DD has said
> about the skill system I don't see that I am. I'm just working
> characters.
I'm right there with you on this one. It's a long process. But in my
not so humble opinion it's also incredibly rewarding.
Like I said.. I dont think you macro with the intent to cheapen the game
for anyone. There's a big difference between use and abuse.
Unfortunately the juveniles in the game dont see that line and cross it
freqently.
Is what I do retaliation? You bet. Maybe enough people on both sides
of the line will get pissed off enough so that OSI has to get off the
fence and does something <anything>. If they want to ban me or stop me
from killing macroed characters that's fine with me. It tells me what
they find acceptable and I'll know to move on.
Jack
Dundee
wrote:
>I called a GM on a macroer the other day, GM got rid of him within 3 minutes.
Lucky shot.
***
-Dundee
Davian
Considering the huge volume of people who macro magery... I'd say that
is a fundamental skill component (can't call it a shift, since the
macroing has been there from the start)...
A person macroing as fast as they can probably makes *at least* 4 times
the amount of skill calls as a person wandering around casting when they
have need of it. Lets look at the effects over a 12 hour period.
Say each person plays for 4 hours.... Hmm... lets assume while playing,
they use say 15 spells per hour... (3 e-bolts per monster... 5 monsters
average, counting hunting time, and non-spellcasting time playing.)
Spellcasting Non Macroer Macroer
Non-macro (15*4 hrs) 60 60
Macro-ed (60*8 hrs) 0 480
Total magery calls w/o macroing... 120. Total magery calls with
macroing... 600.
So magery recieves 5 times as many calls as it normally would. Which
slows down advancement... which encourages more people to macro, since
regular hunting won't give them gains in that kind of an environment.
Which slows down skill gain even more... which encourages even more
players to macro...
The cycle keeps repeating, until you end up with what we have now... an
environment where it takes 100 - 200 summoned elementals to gain .1 in
the high 90's.
Without macroing.. it would still take a while, since magery is so
popular, and has been made so necessary... but nowhere near the amount
of time it takes since there is macroing. If macroing had never been...
maybe the 5 elementals you summoned in the course of normal hunting
would be enough to get that same .1
<shrug> it's too now, its a part of the game... that people would never
give up... so I'm not complaining, I guess... Just trying to let you
know... there is an effect because of it, and show you what that effect
is.
Davian
Damocles
wrote:
>> >
>> >*EVERY* person using Magery on a shard makes Magery advancement slower on
>> >that shard. If a whole bunch of vegetables are standing around
>> >macro-maging, they're slowing advancement for the people who are actually
>> >playing.
>>
>> According to DD, that's only true in the initial phase of a shard.
>> Once it's established, only fundamental skill shifts (like the healing
>> skill suddenly becoming useful) cause significant changes.
>
>Considering the huge volume of people who macro magery... I'd say that
>is a fundamental skill component (can't call it a shift, since the
>macroing has been there from the start)...
Exactly, the pattern was set when the shard first went up.
>
>A person macroing as fast as they can probably makes *at least* 4 times
>the amount of skill calls as a person wandering around casting when they
>have need of it. Lets look at the effects over a 12 hour period.
>
>Say each person plays for 4 hours.... Hmm... lets assume while playing,
>they use say 15 spells per hour... (3 e-bolts per monster... 5 monsters
>average, counting hunting time, and non-spellcasting time playing.)
5 monsters on average? Where is he hunting, the wastelands south of
Britain? If he's out looking to raise skill fighting monsters, he can
do a LOT better than that. Go to the Second Age lands and fight magic
resistant ophidians. You'll need a lot more than three to take one
down, and there'll 3 or 4 more spawning on its tail.
Or go to Shame and fight earth elementals on the first level. Every
time I go there now I have to dodge through them to get to the next
level.
Hell, if you just want to blow things up, shoot up the cattle and
hinds in the wilderness all around the cities. Magery goes up just the
same.
As for the macroing, I take your point but as you say yourself, it's
too late to change now.
Damocles
wrote:
>Damocles wrote:
>>
>> I guess with time it's not much fun to spend weeks and months building
>> up characters from scratch. To be honest, I don't have the time
>> anymore. It's not my intent to hurt anyone, and from what DD has said
>> about the skill system I don't see that I am. I'm just working
>> characters.
>
>
>I'm right there with you on this one. It's a long process. But in my
>not so humble opinion it's also incredibly rewarding.
It is, building Damocles up from scratch was very rewarding. Problem
is, with new patches came fundamental shifts in combat balance. Where
before he was at the top of the line, suddenly the archers were
cutting him down like a mongbat. So I worked up archery, cutting a few
corners but mostly through hard work. Further changes went through,
and I just could not compete, and compete is what I enjoyed. So as a
veteran who'd already had the joy of building a player through work
alone, I made the choice to macro in order to stay competitive.
Davian
> >Say each person plays for 4 hours.... Hmm... lets assume while playing,
> >they use say 15 spells per hour... (3 e-bolts per monster... 5 monsters
> >average, counting hunting time, and non-spellcasting time playing.)
>
> 5 monsters on average? Where is he hunting, the wastelands south of
> Britain? If he's out looking to raise skill fighting monsters, he can
> do a LOT better than that. Go to the Second Age lands and fight magic
> resistant ophidians. You'll need a lot more than three to take one
> down, and there'll 3 or 4 more spawning on its tail.
>
It was for the sake of the example. I was trying for an easy to
calculate number... besides, you're talking about pure fighting...
theres prep time, travel time, reagent shopping time, standing around
BS'ing with your friends time... I was trying to get an average, I
doubt anyone spends every single moment in the field fighting.
Davian
Richard Cortese
>
> Well,
>
> Yestereve in Britain the BlooPK HadeS is macroing with 614 of all the
> elemental summoning reagents in front of the North Britain magery
> cathedral. hmmm.... 614 drake is 1,842 gold. 614 bloodmoss is 4,298 gold,
> I mean, just think about that! This bozo thinks he's da bomb for
> flaunting use of a 3pp to build up what everyone knows is a pk god on
> chesapeake.
TC vs everywhere else.
Went to Baja to test a few things, saw an escort so gated them to their
destination. Saw a guy macroing magery in Ocllo with a horse that had
gone wild.
Then saw what looked like a new player 'ara' at the Trinsic bank with a
horse that had gone wild. Decided to get my tamer to help out.
Got my tamer, tamed the horse in Trinsic, conversation went something
like:
me: tranfer
ara: mine
ara: FF
ara: U
ara: C
me: a transfer
ara: K
ara: U
At which point I ran my mouth and added ara to my KOS list for Bahaha
which is getting much too long.
So, I decide I was really in a mood to help someone on Baja. Recall to
Ocllo, Dark Servant or Dark Angel or some kind of Dark something is
standing there with his horse named Rat gone wild.
My chr tames Rat & renames him to "FeedMeOrStableMe".
Just as I am about to transfer the beast, another chr runs in, LOLs, &
asks if he can have the horse. I give him the whole nine yards about
being nice.
Really, this chr is *not* supposed to be that nice, just wasn't in a
mood for it so I had some trouble keeping them consistant.
Then I allnames,
[Sh*t Disturber, xxx]
Dark Servant
Me: FeedMeOrStableMe transfer
Can you guess who got the horse?
Damocles
wrote:
>Damocles wrote:
>>
>> I guess with time it's not much fun to spend weeks and months building
>> up characters from scratch. To be honest, I don't have the time
>> anymore. It's not my intent to hurt anyone, and from what DD has said
>> about the skill system I don't see that I am. I'm just working
>> characters.
>
>
>I'm right there with you on this one. It's a long process. But in my
>not so humble opinion it's also incredibly rewarding.
Addendum to my other post: OSI recently took a lot of the fun out of
this process by basically eliminating the hide tailoring profession.
Before a new player could work his combat skills with animals like
wolves and bears and at the same time get a steady income. I always
enjoyed going out into the wilderness fighting and making money
tailoring leather and studded bustiers. Now that's been gutted.
Lord Queso
>minutes.
>
>Lucky shot.
Try it out next time you see someone using a macro, call a GM and see what they
do. (As long as it isnt me!!)
Shawn
: *EVERY* person using Magery on a shard makes Magery advancement slower on
: that shard. If a whole bunch of vegetables are standing around
: macro-maging, they're slowing advancement for the people who are actually
: playing.
Just one point, the number of people using a skill at a particular
time has no effect on skill advancement -- it's how many people have
used that skill SINCE THAT SHARDS' CREATION. In cases of the older
servers, that was like 2 YEARS ago. :)
That's why Magery is the hardest skill to raise -- people have been
using a lot of Magery of the past coupld of years, so it has the
highest "average". Blacksmithing would probably be next.
Take a little used skill, like "Taste Identification" and see how
long it takes you to become GM.. with heavy use, I would imagine not
more than a week or two, and if you macro'd, it would probably be
overnight.. As I imagine very few people have used that skill since
the shards went up. :)
Shawn
--
Fer sell cheep: IBM spel chekker. Wurks grate.
Scott Morton
wrote:
And it's a damned shame too. I used to recommend hide tailoring to
newbies who were too impatient to do the non-hunting crafts to make
money. Doesn't work anymore. :(
Reg LeCrisp - Atlantic
Michael McClellan
OrionCA wrote:
> Oh, and the "In Testing" section of owo.com has some bad news for
> macroers: OSI doesn't care about macroing? They are changing it so
> that you can't raise resistance in town. A lot of macroers are going
> to be hit by this.
--
Flamestrike Freddy
Damocles
wrote:
>
>Oh, and the "In Testing" section of owo.com has some bad news for
>macroers: OSI doesn't care about macroing? They are changing it so
>that you can't raise resistance in town. A lot of macroers are going
>to be hit by this.
A lot of new players will be hit hard by this, as the established
players have already gotten their resistance. When they make changes
like that they should level everyone off at 50 (if higher than 50
already, of course). That would even the playing field. Magic
resistance has been skewed for a long time because of things like the
npc mage cheat.
Jeff Gentry
: A lot of new players will be hit hard by this, as the established
: players have already gotten their resistance. When they make changes
: like that they should level everyone off at 50 (if higher than 50
: already, of course). That would even the playing field. Magic
: resistance has been skewed for a long time because of things like the
: npc mage cheat.
Yes ... exactly. So people like me with 90 resistance without cheating
nor macroing, nor using silly town things should have our 18 months
of skill building tossed out the window.
Thank you, drive through.
LD
Tony W
>Take a little used skill, like "Taste Identification" and see how
>long it takes you to become GM.. with heavy use, I would imagine not
>more than a week or two, and if you macro'd, it would probably be
>overnight.. As I imagine very few people have used that skill since
>the shards went up. :)
bad xample d00d
tsate id rox, rasies str adn int w/out dex
Tony W.
a.k.a. MaStaGanGsTaSlAyA, Grandmaster Chef - Atlantic
Damocles
For every one person that got their resistance the hard way, 200
cheated to get there and use their advantage daily in PvP combat.
Sorry, but in the interests of the game as a whole resistance should
be topped off.