I saw a blatant abuse of trust today and was wondering if anyone could answer the following?
A character named Larson Vermont sold a 'Full City Runebook' to another guy at Britains bank (Europa) for 4K. When the unfortunate purchaser opened the book however, he discovered it to be empty. Larson was ignoring him and the other protesting people that gathered to condemn him, then ran promptly to Cats Lair where he logged off.
Now, the purchaser was going to report this to a GM (probably still trying *smiles*). Will a GM be able to take action? Or has Larson gotten away with his ill deeds?
On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:40:36 +0100, "Dominic" <dominic.sutherland_c...@btinternet.com> expounded:
>A character named Larson Vermont sold a 'Full City Runebook' to another guy >at Britains bank (Europa) for 4K. When the unfortunate purchaser opened the >book however, he discovered it to be empty. Larson was ignoring him and the >other protesting people that gathered to condemn him, then ran promptly to >Cats Lair where he logged off.
From my understanding, if he was calling it a "full city rune book" then he can be nabbed for scamming. The victim's journal could presumably be used to verify what, exactly, was being offered.
I've never actually witnessed anything come of a scam report, but I hear on this group that the GMs are actually doing something about it now.
"Katherine" wrote: > I've never actually witnessed anything come of a scam report, but I hear on > this group that the GMs are actually doing something about it now.
OSI seriously tries to do something against it now. This doesn't mean the scammer will get what he deserves for sure when reported, but at least they try their best, which is something I can't say very often about OSI. And this is 180° from their "This is part of the roleplaying experience." before. Not that I would mind but it comes two years too late imo.
> On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:40:36 +0100, "Dominic" > <dominic.sutherland_c...@btinternet.com> expounded:
> >A character named Larson Vermont sold a 'Full City Runebook' to another guy > >at Britains bank (Europa) for 4K. When the unfortunate purchaser opened the > >book however, he discovered it to be empty. Larson was ignoring him and the > >other protesting people that gathered to condemn him, then ran promptly to > >Cats Lair where he logged off.
> From my understanding, if he was calling it a "full city rune book" then he > can be nabbed for scamming. The victim's journal could presumably be used > to verify what, exactly, was being offered.
> I've never actually witnessed anything come of a scam report, but I hear on > this group that the GMs are actually doing something about it now.
Stratics news about a month or so ago had an official OSI blurb about scamming, to the effect that:
-selling a longsword of ruin (fair market value ~ worthless) for 1 million gold is ok if you call it a longsword of ruin.
-selling a longsword of ruin that you say is a vanquishing longsword is scamming and GMs will get involved, and may ban the scammer.
> > On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:40:36 +0100, "Dominic" > > <dominic.sutherland_c...@btinternet.com> expounded:
> > >A character named Larson Vermont sold a 'Full City Runebook' to another guy > > >at Britains bank (Europa) for 4K. When the unfortunate purchaser opened the > > >book however, he discovered it to be empty. Larson was ignoring him and the > > >other protesting people that gathered to condemn him, then ran promptly to > > >Cats Lair where he logged off.
> > From my understanding, if he was calling it a "full city rune book" then he > > can be nabbed for scamming. The victim's journal could presumably be used > > to verify what, exactly, was being offered.
> > I've never actually witnessed anything come of a scam report, but I hear on > > this group that the GMs are actually doing something about it now.
> Stratics news about a month or so ago had an official OSI blurb about > scamming, to the effect that:
> -selling a longsword of ruin (fair market value ~ worthless) for 1 > million gold is ok if you call it a longsword of ruin.
> -selling a longsword of ruin that you say is a vanquishing longsword is > scamming and GMs will get involved, and may ban the scammer.
> gil
what about calling a backgammon baord a rare and charging 10k for it?
> In article <39973E1D.D2AC3...@spam.com>, Insane Ranter <n...@spam.com> wrote:
> >what about calling a backgammon baord a rare and charging 10k for it?
> Saw one of those on Chessie yesterday, too. Next to a gold Mark scroll for > 50k and a piece of beeswax for 20k or so. Really pisses me off, but what > can I do?
I made a large pile of mark scrolls with one of my scribes and converted them all to gold. I put them up for sale ~"60 gold easy to make, not rare". Sold them all in a day, checked all the vendors in my area and they all had "1000 gold Rare Mark Scrolls".
I stopped making them.
But I will tell you, I have a nose for what may eventually become a semi rare. If you have a scribe you may want to make a couple of dozen gold mark scrolls just in case OSI removes it from the game. There may come a day when you people will gladly spend 1-2k for a gold mark scroll.
In article <39973E1D.D2AC3...@spam.com>, Insane Ranter <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>what about calling a backgammon baord a rare and charging 10k for it?
Saw one of those on Chessie yesterday, too. Next to a gold Mark scroll for 50k and a piece of beeswax for 20k or so. Really pisses me off, but what can I do?
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:25:35 GMT, mad...@well.com (Adam Burr) wrote: >In article <39973E1D.D2AC3...@spam.com>, Insane Ranter <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>what about calling a backgammon baord a rare and charging 10k for it?
>Saw one of those on Chessie yesterday, too. Next to a gold Mark scroll for >50k and a piece of beeswax for 20k or so. Really pisses me off, but what >can I do?
I think the point is similar to a law in here in England (and no doubt elsewhere) where you can say something blatantly obvious to be a lie, i.e X weighs as much as an elephant (obviously not true!) compaired to: X weighs 20 stone, could be true!
> > > On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:40:36 +0100, "Dominic" > > > <dominic.sutherland_c...@btinternet.com> expounded:
> > > >A character named Larson Vermont sold a 'Full City Runebook' to another guy > > > >at Britains bank (Europa) for 4K. When the unfortunate purchaser opened the > > > >book however, he discovered it to be empty. Larson was ignoring him and the > > > >other protesting people that gathered to condemn him, then ran promptly to > > > >Cats Lair where he logged off.
> > > From my understanding, if he was calling it a "full city rune book" then he > > > can be nabbed for scamming. The victim's journal could presumably be used > > > to verify what, exactly, was being offered.
> > > I've never actually witnessed anything come of a scam report, but I hear on > > > this group that the GMs are actually doing something about it now.
> > Stratics news about a month or so ago had an official OSI blurb about > > scamming, to the effect that:
> > -selling a longsword of ruin (fair market value ~ worthless) for 1 > > million gold is ok if you call it a longsword of ruin.
> > -selling a longsword of ruin that you say is a vanquishing longsword is > > scamming and GMs will get involved, and may ban the scammer.
> > gil
> what about calling a backgammon baord a rare and charging 10k for it?
> > > On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:40:36 +0100, "Dominic" > > > <dominic.sutherland_c...@btinternet.com> expounded:
> > > >A character named Larson Vermont sold a 'Full City Runebook' to another guy > > > >at Britains bank (Europa) for 4K. When the unfortunate purchaser opened the > > > >book however, he discovered it to be empty. Larson was ignoring him and the > > > >other protesting people that gathered to condemn him, then ran promptly to > > > >Cats Lair where he logged off.
> > > From my understanding, if he was calling it a "full city rune book" then he > > > can be nabbed for scamming. The victim's journal could presumably be used > > > to verify what, exactly, was being offered.
> > > I've never actually witnessed anything come of a scam report, but I hear on > > > this group that the GMs are actually doing something about it now.
> > Stratics news about a month or so ago had an official OSI blurb about > > scamming, to the effect that:
> > -selling a longsword of ruin (fair market value ~ worthless) for 1 > > million gold is ok if you call it a longsword of ruin.
> > -selling a longsword of ruin that you say is a vanquishing longsword is > > scamming and GMs will get involved, and may ban the scammer.
> > gil
> what about calling a backgammon baord a rare and charging 10k for it?
Backgammon boards aren't rare, so that would be a misrepresentation of the goods for sale/trade, so I'd say it's proscribed behavior.
On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:41:55 -0700, "Rick Cortese"
<ricor...@netmagic.net> wrote: >> Saw one of those on Chessie yesterday, too. Next to a gold Mark scroll for >> 50k and a piece of beeswax for 20k or so. Really pisses me off, but what >> can I do?
>I made a large pile of mark scrolls with one of my scribes and converted >them all to gold. I put them up for sale ~"60 gold easy to make, not rare". >Sold them all in a day, checked all the vendors in my area and they all had >"1000 gold Rare Mark Scrolls".
>I stopped making them.
Huh.
I would have just changed em to "500 gold easy to make..." and watched.
>But I will tell you, I have a nose for what may eventually become a semi >rare. If you have a scribe you may want to make a couple of dozen gold mark >scrolls just in case OSI removes it from the game. There may come a day when >you people will gladly spend 1-2k for a gold mark scroll.
Aye, I'm definately doing that.
Found a vendor selling a 'grab bag' full of random junk for 100 gold. Cept he had a bottle of pink champagne in there as well.
I tossed just about everything else, just in case it was an attempt at "grief duping" - dupe junk and a rare, get people banned. Assuming Ian's (?) theory on how they detect duped goods was accurate, I *should* be safe if it was.
: Now, the purchaser was going to report this to a GM (probably still trying : *smiles*). Will a GM be able to take action? Or has Larson gotten away with : his ill deeds?
Probably. They're cracking down on scammers now. A personal experience to prove it:
Right before UO:R went in, on my way to the bank with a full packhorse of wood, one of those lovely town monster spawns appeared and slaughtered me and my packhorse. On my way to retrieve the wood from the corpse, I found some unscrupulous individual dragging it to the bank himself. Me and a few others surrounded him and demanded he return the wood. (he couldn't move since it was too heavy) Being your standard UO griefer, he laughed at us and refused to return it, and there was quite a long standoff. Fortunately, this was a newbie griefer, and said he would sell me the 1600 wood back for 500 gold. Of course, upon handing over the 500, he wouldn't drop the wood, so several people paged GMs. About a minute later *poof* someone appears asking where the scammer is. Of course by then we had told him that we had paged the GMs, so the griefer handed over the wood.
So they are doing something at least.
-- Ian Kelley "Try not to become a man of success but ikel...@mail.sas.upenn.edu rather to become a man of value." http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ikelley/ --Albert Einstein
