Windows Update and random stuff
erimess
this last set of updates - like major slow-downs. Has anyone heard of
this?
One person posted one update that... um, something about it updating
for XP when it wasn't for XP or something. He even gave the KB# of
that. Except I can't find that post now so I don't know what I'm
talking about. But does that sound familiar?
Anyway, I'm talking to one particular guy -- he keeps asking stuff I
don't know but seems to like talking to me for whatever reason. (He
seems interested in how I go around reinstalling everything fresh at
least once a year, and that I don't use registry cleaners, and that my
computer runs all nice anyway. I think he's convinced that *every*
problem is in the registry.)
ANYWAY, he's been having real problems w/his computer slowing to a
crawl, and he did say it started recently after those updates. I
don't know if there's a connection or he's just making assumptions
cause he read about this. He did a restore back to before the updates
and is still having some problems. So one question he has is if doing
a restore un-does the updates. (I've only done a restore once and it
certainly didn't do what I expected. Never did it again.) Oh, he's
got XP SP3.
Without going into details, I assume that an update could affect one
computer differently than another? Just seems logical that would be
true.
I'm sure he asked something else, but darned if I can think of it at
the moment. 'Course - I'm also very tired. I think my late schedule
has been catching up with me lately.
Well, Poly, you're the only one here... so have at it. :-)
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Well, I am not Poly - but still.
How about a damaged hard drive?
Damaged controller?
Damaged drivers?
Virus scanner nonsense?
In my experience, most often, the virus scanners are the issue and how
else could it be?
Darien Dragon
Peripherals. I've had peripherals with bad connections the slowed the
machine to a crawl because the computer continually tried to detect them
in the background.
His fan could be dying and heat is slowing him down and it's all a
coincidence it happened after the updates. My wife's PC went through
that when her PSU fans started to fail.
With the virus scanner it could be a few things. Scanning for one,
updating for another. Active protection is a pain for some.
I had a CD-ROM die once and so long as it was still int he machine the
computer crept along like a shambling zombie.
It'll be hard for anybody to give him a clear diagnosis without either
working on the machine first hand or remote connecting to run some
diagnostics. He could run dxdiag and see if anything comes up reporting
a conflict.
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Polychromic
>I've been hearing on another group about people having problems after
>this last set of updates - like major slow-downs. Has anyone heard of
>this?
Haven't heard anything about any recent update. The last "bad" patch was
way back before SP2, IIRC.
>One person posted one update that... um, something about it updating
>for XP when it wasn't for XP or something. He even gave the KB# of
>that. Except I can't find that post now so I don't know what I'm
>talking about. But does that sound familiar?
Not really. Sometimes updates are for things that aren't directly part of
the OS like the malicious software removal tool though.
>Anyway, I'm talking to one particular guy -- he keeps asking stuff I
>don't know but seems to like talking to me for whatever reason. (He
>seems interested in how I go around reinstalling everything fresh at
>least once a year, and that I don't use registry cleaners, and that my
>computer runs all nice anyway. I think he's convinced that *every*
>problem is in the registry.)
A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
>ANYWAY, he's been having real problems w/his computer slowing to a
>crawl, and he did say it started recently after those updates. I
>don't know if there's a connection or he's just making assumptions
>cause he read about this. He did a restore back to before the updates
>and is still having some problems. So one question he has is if doing
>a restore un-does the updates. (I've only done a restore once and it
>certainly didn't do what I expected. Never did it again.) Oh, he's
>got XP SP3.
>
>Without going into details, I assume that an update could affect one
>computer differently than another? Just seems logical that would be
>true.
Well, 2+2=4 on all machines, but MS can't account for 3rd party software
or defective hardware.
>I'm sure he asked something else, but darned if I can think of it at
>the moment. 'Course - I'm also very tired. I think my late schedule
>has been catching up with me lately.
>
>Well, Poly, you're the only one here... so have at it. :-)
As the others have said, he should check his harddrive(s), fans and other
hardware. Then check for malware. Of course, there's also the biggie -
user error. :)
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erimess
Well, you weren't around much. :-) But glad to see you here.
erimess
wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:26:53 -0400, erimess wrote:
>
>>I've been hearing on another group about people having problems after
>>this last set of updates - like major slow-downs. Has anyone heard of
>>this?
>
>Haven't heard anything about any recent update. The last "bad" patch was
>way back before SP2, IIRC.
Hmm, OK, then we seem to have some coincidences or something.
>
>>Anyway, I'm talking to one particular guy -- he keeps asking stuff I
>>don't know but seems to like talking to me for whatever reason. (He
>>seems interested in how I go around reinstalling everything fresh at
>>least once a year, and that I don't use registry cleaners, and that my
>>computer runs all nice anyway. I think he's convinced that *every*
>>problem is in the registry.)
>
>A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
Oh, I don't think he's *doing* anything dangerous... just a matter of
having a bit of tunnel vision over what the problems might be.
erimess
I actually wasn't trying to help him diagnose anything. :-) In fact,
it hadn't even occured to me. The conversation started when some
people reported slow-downs after that last update -- apparently a
coincidence and perhaps now they're all trying to use that as an
excuse, who knows.
Odd that a couple of the other gurus on there never even mentioned any
of this stuff. Although they have a funny habit, once someone has
responded, of letting that one person do everything, as though the
thread now "belongs" to them or something. So now it's like it's down
to me, and I'm like, uh, I dunno... I even keep saying, well
hopefully someone else will come along.
But I'll mention this stuff to him.
Claus Dragon
*snip*
> His fan could be dying and heat is slowing him down and it's all a
> coincidence it happened after the updates. My wife's PC went through
> that when her PSU fans started to fail.
Oh, why, of course - there are CPUs which clock down if the heat is
not dissipating fast enough.
If its a notebook, it could also be due to some setting (HP/Compaq
have/had those IIRC) to slow the CPU down in "consume less power"
mode.
*snip rest*
Claus Dragon
*snip*
> Odd that a couple of the other gurus on there never even mentioned any
> of this stuff.
*snip rest*
If they havent mentioned any of this, then they are not gurus, period.
Darien Dragon
If they haven't mentioned them, they haven't encountered them. Thus they
haven't been using computers very long :D. (I'm being smart now, by the
way!)
Claus Dragon
> Claus Dragon wrote:
> > On 21 Okt., 05:12, erimess wrote:
>
> > *snip*
>
> >> Odd that a couple of the other gurus on there never even mentioned any
> >> of this stuff.
>
> > *snip rest*
>
> > If they havent mentioned any of this, then they are not gurus, period.
>
> If they haven't mentioned them, they haven't encountered them. Thus they
> haven't been using computers very long :D. (I'm being smart now, by the
> way!)
Well, that is indeed a much more eloquent way of saying "they are not
gurus", isnt it?
Darien Dragon
> On 21 Okt., 22:16, Darien Dragon <darien.dra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Claus Dragon wrote:
>>> On 21 Okt., 05:12, erimess wrote:
>>> *snip*
>>>> Odd that a couple of the other gurus on there never even mentioned any
>>>> of this stuff.
>>> *snip rest*
>>> If they havent mentioned any of this, then they are not gurus, period.
>> If they haven't mentioned them, they haven't encountered them. Thus they
>> haven't been using computers very long :D. (I'm being smart now, by the
>> way!)
>
> Well, that is indeed a much more eloquent way of saying "they are not
> gurus", isnt it?
I thought it was a more cruel way of pointing out they're a little
behind on the times. :) Darnit... I tried to be mean can came out nicer.
Claus Dragon
> > Well, that is indeed a much more eloquent way of saying "they are not
> > gurus", isnt it?
>
> I thought it was a more cruel way of pointing out they're a little
> behind on the times. :) Darnit... I tried to be mean can came out nicer.
Yes, indeed - it did but not the deed, but the undeed.
So to speek. Err, speak.
erimess
Not necessarily. I've seen them mention such things before, so the
surprise is more over the fact that this particular thread seems to
have lagged somewhere...
As it turns out, it appears to be his AV doing this, or at least
something related to it. He reinstalled everything and it was fine
and hunky dorry, and immediately following updating the AV and
scanning, it slowed to a crawl. That isn't the first time I've heard
someone say doing a scan was major slowing their computer down, as
though the AV was a hog or something. His AV is something that came
free with the ISP and I've never heard of it.
Oh... I did hear something else. Someone said when he did the last
auto update, it updated to IE8. And every time I turn around someone
is asking how to uninstall that cause they hate it. I wonder if that
has to do with all this update stuff I keep hearing. (Or he could have
been full of it.)
bnwild
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:12:26 -0700 (PDT), Claus Dragon
>
You have my attention. ""auto update, it updated to IE8. And every
time I turn around someone""
I have yet to install IE8 on tis used xp I bought in early June... I
tried to install it and when I click the icon nothing happened, IE8
didn't start and i never was able to get it to...I join a forum which
didn't have the answer and I still get email from the forum...I was
going to tackle it but somehow it has been on the back burner and
forgotten...I read we can contact MS until end of year...I guess I
better get on it...
XP has been a real nag about alerting me update in ready and it be
IE8. I just go on ignoring it...Lucky for me Google chrome came along
at about the same time for me...I installed chrome and have been using
it... Occasionally, I have to use IE6 to open an PDF file But other
than that all is working...
I never seem to have anytime to vist here or play Ultima. I was
planning to play in August but????
I been enthralled in Co2 and the BS AGW religious dummies...Recently I
listened to Lord Christopher speak in ST. Paul. it has a PowerPoint to
follow along too...This Cap and Trade tax is insane..Our politicians ,
some of them are selling snake oil in the form of co2 tax.
Most don't cover the water vapor: here if your interested,
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
I have also been raging over the Dems healthcare plans...Let me see,
Medicare trillions underfunded and President and Democrats want toa
trillions more the the underfunded situation...And unfortunately, I've
herd Beck speak about Obama's Czars...Good lord, I have to agree I
never had any friends either that where full blown marxists
types...Makes me wonder...
This was headlines Last year in Canada, Nursing crunch causing
cancelled heart surgeries in St. John's: union...http://www.cbc.ca/
canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2009/03/09/cardiac-surgery-
nurses.html....
Regards,
Charles Nelson and no i still haven't pick a Moniker.
I leave you with this,
Also I just found while looking for the cbc link..
Obama’s misleading scare tactics
POSTED BY DAVID ADESNIK IN HEALTH, INTERNATIONAL, POLITICS.
OCT 4TH, 2009 | COMMENTShttp://themoderatevoice.com/48547/obamas-misleading-scare-tactics/
""Last month, I gave the President a hard time for denouncing GOP
scare tactics, while relying on his scary stories to build support for
his healthcare plan. On Monday, ABC’s Jake Tapper pointed out that the
President’s scary stories were “not quite accurate” or, in plain
English, completely misleading.
First up, there’s the man who died when his insurance company cut off
his chemotherapy because he allegedly failed to report he once had
gallstones. Actually, the man got his coverage back, got his
chemotherapy, and lived for three and a half more years.
Next up, there’s the woman with cancer whose coverage was cancelled
because she forgot to report a case of acne. Turns our the acne had
nothing do with her cancellation (although to Obama’s credit, it does
seem the woman actually had some pimples.)
As Tapper notes, the whole truth still makes the insurance companies
look pretty heartless. But if the President wants to denounce the
liars and cynics who oppose his plan, he should work a little harder
to be part of the reality-based community.
Incidentally, this was how I closed out my original post about Obama’s
scary stories:
So I guess if I provide a few examples of terrible things that happen
in Canada, I would’ve responsibly documented the perils of government-
run healthcare?
Per the Wall Street Journal:
When the pain in Christina Woodkey’s legs became so severe that she
could no longer hike or cross-country ski, she went to her local
health clinic. The Calgary, Canada, resident was told she’d need to
see a hip specialist. Because the problem was not life-threatening,
however, she’d have to wait about a year.
So wait she did.
In January, the hip doctor told her that a narrowing of the spine was
compressing her nerves and causing the pain. She needed a back
specialist. The appointment was set for Sept. 30. ‘When I was given
that date, I asked when could I expect to have surgery,’ said Woodkey,
72. ‘They said it would be a year and a half after I had seen this
doctor.’
So this month, she drove across the border into Montana and got the
$50,000 surgery done in two days. ‘I don’t have insurance. We’re not
allowed to have private health insurance in Canada,’ Woodkey said.
‘It’s not going to be easy to come up with the money. But I’m happy to
say the pain is almost all gone.’
As I said before, anecdotes can’t prove a broader point. But they
should at least be true.""
Claus Dragon
*snip*
> As it turns out, it appears to be his AV doing this, or at least
> something related to it. He reinstalled everything and it was fine
> and hunky dorry, and immediately following updating the AV and
> scanning, it slowed to a crawl. That isn't the first time I've heard
> someone say doing a scan was major slowing their computer down, as
> though the AV was a hog or something. His AV is something that came
> free with the ISP and I've never heard of it.
Well, now we could start talking about implementations; suffice to say
that checking everything that is loaded, read, written for viral
patterns simply takes resources.
A lot, at times.
Darien Dragon
Quit damaging my brain. :( If you kill that brain cell on the left...
the one on the right is going to die of loneliness.
Saint George's Dragon
> As I said before, anecdotes can’t prove a broader point. But they
> should at least be true.""
Just have to point this out, your quoted story contains an untruth (or
rather quotes a gross oversimplification). You are allowed to buy
private health insurance in Canada (there are limitations depending on
jurisdiction, mostly on covering stuff that is paid for by the
provincial plan), I have supplementary (ie above what is covered by
the provincial plan) medical insurance (mostly to pay for drugs).
As far as I can tell providing medical travel insurance is a lucrative
industry and does not have any legal restrictions on it domestic
services do (it will cover services and costs you could not cover in a
domestic case), but for economic reasons travel insurance does not
cover elective procedures (at least as far as I can tell from a few
google searches). Presumably because the only people who would buy it
would be those planning to have such surgery so it would have a 100%
usage rate and cost as much as the procedures it covered. Similarly
even where completely comprehensive private domestic insurance is
legal in Canada it is very rare to non-existent because the market is
very small.
As it is elective surgery in Canada can and in some cases does have
long wait times, depending on where you are, what doctor you decide to
see and so on. And this does cause distress. So the main point is
true.
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Claus Dragon
> Claus Dragon wrote:
> > On 22 Okt., 19:43, Darien Dragon <darien.dra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Well, that is indeed a much more eloquent way of saying "they are not
> >>> gurus", isnt it?
> >> I thought it was a more cruel way of pointing out they're a little
> >> behind on the times. :) Darnit... I tried to be mean can came out nicer.
>
> > Yes, indeed - it did but not the deed, but the undeed.
>
> > So to speek. Err, speak.
>
> Quit damaging my brain. :( If you kill that brain cell on the left...
> the one on the right is going to die of loneliness.
I am sorry, just a non-native speaker trying to be witty.
Darien Dragon
:) I think you succeeded... otherwise I wouldn't have been left with a
sense of confusion.