RICHARD GARRIOTT
hel...@worldaccess.nl
On 22 Oct 1996 17:25:06 -0700, bis...@primenet.com (The Bishop of
Battle) wrote:
>In article <MPG.cd70e45f...@news.execpc.com>, whi...@bestware.net (Lady Whisper) wrote:
>>Richard Garriott will be having a chat tonight, Tuesday October 22, on
>>the Microsoft Network from 8-9pm Central in the gaming section.
>>
>
>
>Bwahhhhahahahahah...The Microsoft Network? I guess Richard has a pretty low
>opinion of his fans if he thinks he's even reaching 1% of them by using the
>least used ISP in the world. I guess he hasn't heard of IRC, PowWow, IPhone,
>CuSeeMe or any of the other acceptable methods of communicating over the
>InterNet. What a shame.
>
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I agree with both previous posters. I would like a transcript of this
chat, and think Mr. Garriot id being really foolish by not coming to
talk to us on, for instance, IRC. MSN is useless.
What's wrong with good old #udic on Undernet? :)
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Richard Garriott will be having a chat tonight, Tuesday October 22, on
the Microsoft Network from 8-9pm Central in the gaming section.
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The Bishop of Battle
>the Microsoft Network from 8-9pm Central in the gaming section.
>
Bwahhhhahahahahah...The Microsoft Network? I guess Richard has a pretty low
opinion of his fans if he thinks he's even reaching 1% of them by using the
least used ISP in the world. I guess he hasn't heard of IRC, PowWow, IPhone,
CuSeeMe or any of the other acceptable methods of communicating over the
InterNet. What a shame.
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Christian Counts
Lady Whisper <whi...@bestware.net> wrote:
: Richard Garriott will be having a chat tonight, Tuesday October 22, on
: the Microsoft Network from 8-9pm Central in the gaming section.
No need to shout dear. Some of us Greybeards(tm) still have our
hearing. (=
~Geo (followups pared to Wrecked Dragons only)
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Jason Martin
Lady Whisper <whi...@bestware.net> wrote in article
<MPG.cd70e45f...@news.execpc.com>...
> Richard Garriott will be having a chat tonight, Tuesday October 22, on
> the Microsoft Network from 8-9pm Central in the gaming section.
Oh, please, ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease, will someone PLEASE post (and
maybe mail me) a transcript of this chat for those of us who don't have
MSN?!?
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Lady Whisper
In article <01bbc077$83e6c1c0$647a8ace@pangea>, jaz...@itw.com says...
> Lady Whisper <whi...@bestware.net> wrote in article
> <MPG.cd70e45f...@news.execpc.com>...
> > Richard Garriott will be having a chat tonight, Tuesday October 22, on
> > the Microsoft Network from 8-9pm Central in the gaming section.
>
> Oh, please, ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease, will someone PLEASE post (and
> maybe mail me) a transcript of this chat for those of us who don't have
> MSN?!?
There is now a log of the chat session on the Worlds Of Origin website at
http://www.bestware.net/whisper/woo and its quite interesting. :)
Matthew Anderson
The Bishop of Battle wrote:
> Bwahhhhahahahahah...The Microsoft Network? I guess Richard has a pretty low
> opinion of his fans if he thinks he's even reaching 1% of them by using the
> least used ISP in the world. I guess he hasn't heard of IRC, PowWow, IPhone,
> CuSeeMe or any of the other acceptable methods of communicating over the
> InterNet. What a shame.
Yes, it is a shame. But, at least we got McMalakai in #ultima to
cut-paste conversation from the chat, and to take our questions from
#ultima over to the chat on MSN. And we got Grimli to come in
afterwards, which was cool(thanks Grimli!). That was Efnet #ultima,
BTW, for those who don't know *>
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Sasha
There's something wrong with your Worlds of Origin website. The only link
on it seems to be to the /ea/origin website.
Kahlil Thomas
hel...@worldaccess.nl wrote:
>I agree with both previous posters. I would like a transcript of this
>chat, and think Mr. Garriot id being really foolish by not coming to
>talk to us on, for instance, IRC. MSN is useless.
>What's wrong with good old #udic on Undernet? :)
I saw a transcript on rec.games.computer.ultima-dragons
KVT
Georgia S. Deutsch
>There's something wrong with your Worlds of Origin website. The only
link
>on it seems to be to the /ea/origin website.
I had the same problem - saw a fancy screen and some icons, but the
only thing to actually click on was the ea link?
Lady Whisper
In article <54ntjf$s...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, geo...@ix.netcom.com
says...
You need a frames-capable browser. If you have an old browser, you
probably won't be able to see it. We are working on a non-framed version
and should have it done this weekend, we hope, but for right now we only
have the framed version.
Marker
Give the man some credit! If not for him, there wouldn't be an Origin
today. If he had such a low opinion of his fans, he wouldn't
personally be handling the Ultima IX project (unlike U8, which he did
not give much input). He probably DOES know about the other methods
of chat, in addition to the mobs of inconsiderate people who will be
asking endless, meaningless questions and not giving others a chance.
I for one do not subscribe to MSN, and have found the log posted by
LadyWhisper to be enough info on the new Ultima games. Of course
there wasn't much WC info, because RG doesn't handle those games.
Going on MSN allowed him to get a nice and easly flow of questions.
Now, I don't mean offense to you, Bishop, but I think it would best to
consider what MIGHT have happened to RG if he went on something such
as #udic. Probably the same thing that happens to ORIGIN_PR whenever
he goes on #wing-commander (I've been there).
On 22 Oct 1996 17:25:06 -0700, bis...@primenet.com (The Bishop of
Battle) wrote:
>In article <MPG.cd70e45f...@news.execpc.com>, whi...@bestware.net (Lady Whisper) wrote:
>>Richard Garriott will be having a chat tonight, Tuesday October 22, on
>>the Microsoft Network from 8-9pm Central in the gaming section.
>>
>
>
>Bwahhhhahahahahah...The Microsoft Network? I guess Richard has a pretty low
>opinion of his fans if he thinks he's even reaching 1% of them by using the
>least used ISP in the world. I guess he hasn't heard of IRC, PowWow, IPhone,
>CuSeeMe or any of the other acceptable methods of communicating over the
>InterNet. What a shame.
>
>
tur...@woods.uml.edu
In article <54jo9n$e...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Christian Counts <cou...@primenet.com> writes:
> No need to shout dear. Some of us Greybeards(tm) still have our
> hearing. (=
> ~Geo (followups pared to Wrecked Dragons only)
WHAT?
SPEAK UP! YOU MUST HAVE YOUR HEAD IN THE GROUND AGAIN!
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Christian Counts
~ said:
: > No need to shout dear. Some of us Greybeards(tm) still have our
: > hearing. (=
: -)------- replied:
: WHAT?
: SPEAK UP! YOU MUST HAVE YOUR HEAD IN THE GROUND AGAIN!
My head in the ground? My head *is* the ground, you dolt!
~
Mithra
Sasha wrote:
> There's something wrong with your Worlds of Origin website. The only link
> on it seems to be to the /ea/origin website.
The word 'marketing' came to mind before 'fan club' did when I looked at
that page.
Mithra
David Goh
> > Bwahhhhahahahahah...The Microsoft Network? I guess Richard has a pretty low
> > opinion of his fans if he thinks he's even reaching 1% of them by using the
forgotten
the importance of his fans. in fact, it is no secret that he doesn't
even bother
reading emails addressed to him from them.
Michael Carmack
David Goh (dg...@pacific.net.sg) wrote:
: oh man.. you are right. anyway, i think good ol' british has clearly
: forgotten the importance of his fans. in fact, it is no secret that he
: doesn't even bother reading emails addressed to him from them.
You cannot honestly expect someone as much in the public eye as Richard is
to read every piece of e-mail sent to him by random people across the net?
The guy wouldn't have time to get any work done if he did!
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Lady Whisper
In article <55l1is$h...@tbsnames.turner.com>, Shawn....@turner.com
says...
> mcar...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Michael Carmack) wrote:
> >David Goh (dg...@pacific.net.sg) wrote:
> >: oh man.. you are right. anyway, i think good ol' british has clearly
> >: forgotten the importance of his fans. in fact, it is no secret that he
> >: doesn't even bother reading emails addressed to him from them.
> >
> >You cannot honestly expect someone as much in the public eye as Richard is
> >to read every piece of e-mail sent to him by random people across the net?
> >The guy wouldn't have time to get any work done if he did!
> mcar...@freenet.columbus.oh.us
>
>
> Yeah. He is probably getting stalkers all the time, crowds of women just
> camp on his lawn and autograph seekers skydive down into his compound just
> for a glimpse.
>
> There are people a LOT more famous read and sometimes even REPLY to email.
> It is an ego thing. Fame is fleeting. I am not expressing an opinion on
> Richard at all...cept that he's not too famous to read his Email. I doubt
> 95% of game players know or care who makes their games. Most people
> reading this only know that you think highly of him. I haven't seen him
> in the news lately.
>
> Come on...don't defend egos....Richard Jewel reads his email.
>
> TV
What makes you think that he doesn't read them? First of all, his email
address isn't readily available to the public for a very good reason.
He's an extremely busy man and if he had to spend hours every day wading
through his email, he'd never get any work done then you'd all bitch
about how he never puts out games anymore. Second, if you did happen to
have his direct email account and send him an email, just because you
don't receive an answer doesn't mean he doesn't read them. And third, if
you send an email to him through one of the various channels, it will get
to him. You may not get a response, but he'll definitely get it.
Mark A. Berger
In article <327E6D...@pacific.net.sg> David Goh <dg...@pacific.net.sg> writes:
>From: David Goh <dg...@pacific.net.sg>
>Subject: Re: RICHARD GARRIOTT
>Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 14:27:19 -0800
>> > Bwahhhhahahahahah...The Microsoft Network? I guess Richard has a pretty low
>> > opinion of his fans if he thinks he's even reaching 1% of them by using the
>oh man.. you are right. anyway, i think good ol' british has clearly
>forgotten
>the importance of his fans. in fact, it is no secret that he doesn't
>even bother
>reading emails addressed to him from them.
Is Kenny from the alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die NG crossposting?
Syed Noman Ahmad
In article <327F19...@pacific.net.sg>,
David Goh <dg...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
:>> He's an extremely busy man and if he had to spend hours every day wading
:>> through his email, he'd never get any work done then you'd all bitch
:>> about how he never puts out games anymore. Second, if you did happen to
>
:>new. i think that the last real game from him was like... ultima 7
:>or was it 6? hmmm..
>
Not Ultima 7 for sure. Most of the work was done by some guy
named Ken Demarest... (He was also the designer of BioForge,
if I remember correctly).
---
Noman
TV
>: forgotten the importance of his fans. in fact, it is no secret that he
>: doesn't even bother reading emails addressed to him from them.
>
Led Mirage
In article <55l1is$h...@tbsnames.turner.com>,
TV <Shawn....@turner.com> wrote:
>
>There are people a LOT more famous read and sometimes even REPLY to email.
> It is an ego thing. Fame is fleeting. I am not expressing an opinion on
>Richard at all...cept that he's not too famous to read his Email. I doubt
>95% of game players know or care who makes their games. Most people
>reading this only know that you think highly of him. I haven't seen him
>in the news lately.
You're right, he's not famous in a general sense. He's known only in the
gaming community. But where you're wrong is that he's the president of a
pretty big company. He oversees many employees and there are many
projects going on at the same time. Origin is not a basement operation
anymore. And you expect him to answer every piece of email sent his way?
>
>Come on...don't defend egos....Richard Jewel reads his email.
>
Who the hell is Richard Jewel?
johnnyB
>Yeah. He is probably getting stalkers all the time, crowds of women just
>camp on his lawn and autograph seekers skydive down into his compound just
>for a glimpse.
>
>There are people a LOT more famous read and sometimes even REPLY to email.
> It is an ego thing. Fame is fleeting. I am not expressing an opinion on
>Richard at all...cept that he's not too famous to read his Email. I doubt
>95% of game players know or care who makes their games. Most people
>reading this only know that you think highly of him. I haven't seen him
>in the news lately.
>
>Come on...don't defend egos....Richard Jewel reads his email.
>
>TV
>
Give the man a break. He is under no obligation to answer anyone's
email. At least he isn't insulting your intelligence by hiring some punk kid
to reply to all his E-mail for him.
Once you UO comes out you can try to kill LB all you want.
David Goh
> What makes you think that he doesn't read them? First of all, his email
> address isn't readily available to the public for a very good reason.
> through his email, he'd never get any work done then you'd all bitch
> about how he never puts out games anymore. Second, if you did happen to
'bitching about him not putting out games anymore'?? now, that is
new. i think that the last real game from him was like... ultima 7
or was it 6? hmmm..
btw, are you are on his payroll? if so, at least good ol' british knows
where to put his money. :P
Winkler Devere Bond
In <55llov$j...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> no...@albrecht.ecn.purdue.edu (Syed
Noman Ahmad) writes:
>Not Ultima 7 for sure. Most of the work was done by some guy
>named Ken Demarest... (He was also the designer of BioForge,
>if I remember correctly).
Maybe you didn't realize this, but Richard is the Senior VP for all of
Origin, meaning he has some part in every game they develop.
-Ophidian Dragon
David Goh
Lady Whisper wrote:
> What makes you think that he doesn't read them? First of all, his email
> address isn't readily available to the public for a very good reason.
> He's an extremely busy man and if he had to spend hours every day wading
> through his email, he'd never get any work done then you'd all bitch
> about how he never puts out games anymore. Second, if you did happen to
> don't receive an answer doesn't mean he doesn't read them. And third, if
> you send an email to him through one of the various channels, it will get
> to him. You may not get a response, but he'll definitely get it.
>
> --
> Lady Whisper
> Worlds Of Origin: http://www.bestware.net/whisper/woo
> PVLBS: http://www.bestware.net/whisper/pvlb.shtml
Rob Berryhill
Who is Richard Jewel?
Joshua Jake
Led Mirage wrote:
>
> In article <55l1is$h...@tbsnames.turner.com>,
> TV <Shawn....@turner.com> wrote:
> >
> >There are people a LOT more famous read and sometimes even REPLY to email.
> > It is an ego thing. Fame is fleeting. I am not expressing an opinion on
> >Richard at all...cept that he's not too famous to read his Email. I doubt
> >95% of game players know or care who makes their games. Most people
> >reading this only know that you think highly of him. I haven't seen him
> >in the news lately.
>
> gaming community. But where you're wrong is that he's the president of a
> pretty big company. He oversees many employees and there are many
> projects going on at the same time. Origin is not a basement operation
> anymore. And you expect him to answer every piece of email sent his way?
And can you tell me why the hell not???!
He could always have hired a team of staff to deal with PR isn't it?
By the way Origin has quite a number of people under their
employment you know? If Mr. Garriot is still so busy then maybe he
should just fire those staff since they are obviously not making
his work any lighter rite???
Pls compare apples with apples here, will ya? If you have no idea
of what the message is dealing with here then pls keep your piece.
--
JJ
greg
David Goh wrote:
> 'bitching about him not putting out games anymore'?? now, that is
> new. i think that the last real game from him was like... ultima 7
> or was it 6? hmmm..
>
> btw, are you are on his payroll? if so, at least good ol' british knows
> where to put his money. :P
i mean, HOW many dragons are there?
hell i read 1, count 'em 1 Real newsgroup and that takes up more of my
time than i should allow.
and i'm only a college student.
i can only imagine how much e-mail he would be getting.
do YOU respond to every e-mail sent to you?
how about by pepole you don't know?
now of course, if i were a flaming man we could speculate on the source
of your obvious anger with the fruedian technique...
David Goh
Syed Noman Ahmad wrote:
>
> In article <327F19...@pacific.net.sg>,
> David Goh <dg...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
> :>> through his email, he'd never get any work done then you'd all bitch
> :>> about how he never puts out games anymore. Second, if you did happen to
> >
> :>new. i think that the last real game from him was like... ultima 7
> :>or was it 6? hmmm..
> >
>
> named Ken Demarest... (He was also the designer of BioForge,
> if I remember correctly).
my point precisely. whether 7 or 6, the *real* games good ol'
british last put out himself, was a -real- long time ago. only
the faithful rpg gamers know that. still, makes me wonder how
come there is a basis to justify someone else's ego especially
when one doesn't even bother to reply or even read the emails
from his fans.
David Goh
Lady Whisper
> >camp on his lawn and autograph seekers skydive down into his compound just
> >for a glimpse.
> >
> > It is an ego thing. Fame is fleeting. I am not expressing an opinion on
> >Richard at all...cept that he's not too famous to read his Email. I doubt
> >95% of game players know or care who makes their games. Most people
> >reading this only know that you think highly of him. I haven't seen him
> >in the news lately.
> >
> >
> >TV
You *ARE* kidding, right? You aren't seriously comparing the head of a
successful company to some schmuck security guard who feels put upon, are
you?
Michael Fleming
On Tue, 05 Nov 1996 02:38:39 -0800, in the Great Book of Farnarking
David Goh <dg...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
<SNIP>
>
>'bitching about him not putting out games anymore'?? now, that is
>new. i think that the last real game from him was like... ultima 7
>or was it 6? hmmm..
has more to it plot - wise than some of the second rate stuff knocking
around. + the upgrade patch makes it far more playable - jumping less
aggravating etc. Much better than the (IMO) overrated and buggy
"Daggerfall" and it's ilk.
>
>btw, are you are on his payroll? if so, at least good ol' british knows
>where to put his money. :P
I've subscribed to - be it Origin, MS, IBM etc etc. . I and others
happen to have a lot of time for Origin in general, and look forward
to a good quality game from them. Does this make *me* a corporate
lackey? Well?
It is the argument of the thick and desperate.
'nuff said
Michael Fleming
"Contrapuntal Dragon" -=(UDIC)=-
PS. David - don't bother with a followup, you're now only the 3rd
person to wind up on my "idiot list."
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Syed Noman Ahmad
In article <327F6F...@cyberspace.org>, greg <phe...@cyberspace.org> wrote:
>David Goh wrote:
>> 'bitching about him not putting out games anymore'?? now, that is
>> new. i think that the last real game from him was like... ultima 7
>> or was it 6? hmmm..
>>
>> where to put his money. :P
:>i mean, HOW many dragons are there?
:>hell i read 1, count 'em 1 Real newsgroup and that takes up more of my
:>time than i should allow.
:>and i'm only a college student.
:>i can only imagine how much e-mail he would be getting.
:>do YOU respond to every e-mail sent to you?
:>how about by pepole you don't know?
:>now of course, if i were a flaming man we could speculate on the source
:>of your obvious anger with the fruedian technique...
Uhh.. did you read that posting by David before dispatching this reply?
Did he say anything about Garriot not replying to emails? Read it again.
The only thing he said was that, Garriot hasn't been involved in a game
in a long time. Really involved that is.
---
Noman
Winkler Devere Bond
>And can you tell me why the hell not???!
Because he has better things to do! Besides, what would you say if you
mailed him? If it's anything like what's here, he would ignore you for
sure.
>He could always have hired a team of staff to deal with PR isn't it?
>By the way Origin has quite a number of people under their
>employment you know? If Mr. Garriot is still so busy then maybe he
>should just fire those staff since they are obviously not making
>his work any lighter rite???
You don't hire employees to do work for you, you hire them to free you
up for more important work! They make the games, he coordinates
everything. For ALL the games. That's not an easy job!
-Ophidian Dragon
Victor
Michael Fleming wrote:
>
> On Tue, 05 Nov 1996 02:38:39 -0800, in the Great Book of Farnarking
> >
> >'bitching about him not putting out games anymore'?? now, that is
> >new. i think that the last real game from him was like... ultima 7
> >or was it 6? hmmm..
> has more to it plot - wise than some of the second rate stuff knocking
> around. + the upgrade patch makes it far more playable - jumping less
> aggravating etc. Much better than the (IMO) overrated and buggy
> "Daggerfall" and it's ilk.
> >
> >where to put his money. :P
> I've subscribed to - be it Origin, MS, IBM etc etc. . I and others
> happen to have a lot of time for Origin in general, and look forward
> to a good quality game from them. Does this make *me* a corporate
> lackey? Well?
>
> It is the argument of the thick and desperate.
>
> person to wind up on my "idiot list."
Hmmm.
I have no problem with RG not answering e-mail -- would be nice
if he did, but it's like charity -- the whole point is that you
don't HAVE to do it. Anyway, I express my appreciation by buying
his games... It WOULD be nice if RG did answer all e-mail though
As to your payroll objection -- I think David did not mean his
pass at Lady Whisper to be taken seriously. Ease up, man!
Lastly -- who, O Wise and Mighty One, are the other two
unfortunate louts to end up in a place worse than the deepest
pits of Gehenna -- your 'idiot list'?!? And how kind of you to
limit your 'idiot list' to three at the present time!
--
Daermonestroer Dragon (min...@ix.netcom.com)
(dani...@cs.umass.edu)
o
//
O-==(UDIC)==-HXXXXXXXX>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=-
\\
o
Christian Counts
Victor <min...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: Lastly -- who, O Wise and Mighty One, are the other two
: unfortunate louts to end up in a place worse than the deepest
: pits of Gehenna -- your 'idiot list'?!? And how kind of you to
: limit your 'idiot list' to three at the present time!
My guess would be that Rapier is one of them <eg> I suppose that I am
the other.
~Geo
Syed Noman Ahmad
In article <327e6bf6...@news.powerup.com.au>,
Michael Fleming <mfle...@powerup.com.au> wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Nov 1996 02:38:39 -0800, in the Great Book of Farnarking
>David Goh <dg...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>>
>>'bitching about him not putting out games anymore'?? now, that is
>>new. i think that the last real game from him was like... ultima 7
>>or was it 6? hmmm..
:>U8 buddy.
No.... if Richard Garriot had an input in U7,U7.5,U8 then you can
also say that Underworld was by Garriot too (which most of the UDIC
believe, I fear. Let me repeat, Underworld was not by Origin)
Give the credit where it is due.. If Ultima 7 was a good game, then
the design team deserves the credit and not the executive producer.
: Perhaps it wasn't as good as many in the series but it still
:>has more to it plot - wise than some of the second rate stuff knocking
:>around. + the upgrade patch makes it far more playable - jumping less
:>aggravating etc. Much better than the (IMO) overrated and buggy
:>"Daggerfall" and it's ilk.
>>
Well, U8 has lot of problems, "plot-wise", IMHO. I certainly don't think
too much of Daggerfall (Give me Ultima 4 and Underworld, any day) but
it is not that bad to deserve a "U8 is better" award.
---
Noman
Winkler Devere Bond
In <55oa0m$i...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> no...@albrecht.ecn.purdue.edu (Syed
Noman Ahmad) writes:
>
>Uhh.. did you read that posting by David before dispatching this
reply?
>Did he say anything about Garriot not replying to emails? Read it
again.
>
>The only thing he said was that, Garriot hasn't been involved in a
game
>in a long time. Really involved that is.
That's because he doesn't have the skills. He knew assembly. Assembly
isn't used. Besides, he's better at other things.
-Ophidian Dragon
Gerald Hayes
no...@albrecht.ecn.purdue.edu (Syed Noman Ahmad) wrote:
>In article <327F6F...@cyberspace.org>, greg <phe...@cyberspace.org> wrote:
>>David Goh wrote:
>>> 'bitching about him not putting out games anymore'?? now, that is
>>> new. i think that the last real game from him was like... ultima 7
>>> or was it 6? hmmm..
>>>
>
>Uhh.. did you read that posting by David before dispatching this reply?
>Did he say anything about Garriot not replying to emails? Read it again.
>
>
>---
>Noman
Noman, I think this was the post he was replying to:
> > Bwahhhhahahahahah...The Microsoft Network? I guess Richard has a pretty low
> > opinion of his fans if he thinks he's even reaching 1% of them by using the
steve b./cg strategy plus
> camp on his lawn and autograph seekers skydive down into his compound just
> for a glimpse.
Richard has had stalkers. He told me so himself.
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Sith Dragon
>In article <55l1is$h...@tbsnames.turner.com>, Shawn....@turner.com
>says...
>> Yeah. He is probably getting stalkers all the time, crowds of women just
>> camp on his lawn and autograph seekers skydive down into his compound just
>> for a glimpse.
>
>Richard has had stalkers. He told me so himself.
Unless I'm mistaken, sometime not long ago someone broke into his house at
night claiming he was The Avatar.
LB apparently pulled out a 9mm and straightened out the situation. Pretty
scary according to LB.
Sith Dragon
-==(UDIC)==-
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Yama
mar...@interport.net (Sith Dragon) wrote:
>Unless I'm mistaken, sometime not long ago someone broke into his house at
>night claiming he was The Avatar.
>
>LB apparently pulled out a 9mm and straightened out the situation. Pretty
>scary according to LB.
>
Probably didn't make "The Avatar" feel all that comfy either. ;-)
Yama
Lady Whisper
In article <3283e233...@news.tiac.net>, po...@tiac.net says...
> Uncalled-for, LW. I've been lurking on this thread, and I could
> rephrase the question: you aren't seriously comparing the head of a
> software company to a man who saved countless lives of strangers, are
> you?
You are entitled to your opinion, please do not begrudge me mine. I am
not convinced that he "saved countless lives of strangers", nor am I
convinced that he didn't do it. Not being able to prove someone did
something doesn't mean that they didn't do it.
Joshua Io
whi...@bestware.net (Lady Whisper) wrote:
>> In article <55l1is$h...@tbsnames.turner.com>, TV <Shawn....@turner.com> wrote:
>> >Come on...don't defend egos....Richard Jewel reads his email.
>successful company to some schmuck security guard who feels put upon, are
>you?
Uncalled-for, LW. I've been lurking on this thread, and I could
William Wueppelmann
Winkler Devere Bond wrote:
>
> In <55llov$j...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> no...@albrecht.ecn.purdue.edu (Syed
> Noman Ahmad) writes:
>
> >Not Ultima 7 for sure. Most of the work was done by some guy
> >named Ken Demarest... (He was also the designer of BioForge,
> >if I remember correctly).
>
> Origin, meaning he has some part in every game they develop.
>
> -Ophidian Dragon
I think the last game Garriott wrote all on his own was U3. Since then,
he's become less and less involved in the games, he just retains
'overall creative directorship'. Still, a mighty big job in and of
itself, without adding on all of the less publically obvious thinks he
must have to do.
The Silly Dragon
greg
Syed Noman Ahmad wrote:
>
> Did he say anything about Garriot not replying to emails? Read it again.
>
> in a long time. Really involved that is.
>
> Noman
actually he did, as severall other posters have pointed otu
Joshua Io
whi...@bestware.net (Lady Whisper) wrote:
>In article <3283e233...@news.tiac.net>, po...@tiac.net says...
>> Uncalled-for, LW. I've been lurking on this thread, and I could
>> rephrase the question: you aren't seriously comparing the head of a
>> software company to a man who saved countless lives of strangers, are
>> you?
>
>You are entitled to your opinion, please do not begrudge me mine. I am
>not convinced that he "saved countless lives of strangers", nor am I
>convinced that he didn't do it. Not being able to prove someone did
>something doesn't mean that they didn't do it.
It does, however, under the Constitution define him as legally
innocent.
Thank goodness his guilt or innocence doesn't depend on uninformed
opinions. Or on people who want to defend game creators.
It would have reflected better on you if you'd said, "You're right. I
retract the statement."
Pettiness is never something to be proud of.
Eric C. Liebl
I guess Lady Whisper doesn't believe in the U.S. Constitution...something
in there about being innocent until proven guilty. Say, dear, where were
YOU during the Olympics? Maybe you should be brought under nationwide
scrutiny...one never knows what they'll find out. :) Got any skeletons in
your closet? <LOL>
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^ )`.).
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Lady Whisper <whi...@bestware.net> wrote in article
<MPG.ceadb69a...@news.execpc.com>...
> In article <3283e233...@news.tiac.net>, po...@tiac.net says...
> > Uncalled-for, LW. I've been lurking on this thread, and I could
> > rephrase the question: you aren't seriously comparing the head of a
> > software company to a man who saved countless lives of strangers, are
> > you?
>
> You are entitled to your opinion, please do not begrudge me mine. I am
> not convinced that he "saved countless lives of strangers", nor am I
> convinced that he didn't do it. Not being able to prove someone did
> something doesn't mean that they didn't do it.
>
Gamara II Dragon
sp...@together.net (steve b./cg strategy plus) wrote:
>In article <55l1is$h...@tbsnames.turner.com>, Shawn....@turner.com
>says...
>> Yeah. He is probably getting stalkers all the time, crowds of women just
>> camp on his lawn and autograph seekers skydive down into his compound just
>> for a glimpse.
>Richard has had stalkers. He told me so himself.
It's true. When I was hiding in his bushes and going through his
garbage last week, I heard him telling somebody on the phone that I
had tapped that he gets stalkers. Poor guy!
Gamara II Dragon
..-=={UDIC}==-.
Winkler Devere Bond
In <3280FF...@po-box.mcgill.ca> William Wueppelmann
<wwu...@po-box.mcgill.ca> writes:
>I think the last game Garriott wrote all on his own was U3. Since
then,
>he's become less and less involved in the games, he just retains
>'overall creative directorship'. Still, a mighty big job in and of
>itself, without adding on all of the less publically obvious thinks he
>must have to do.
Nope, U4 he made on his own. U5 he had a little help. He was almost
uninvolved in U6. I mean programming here, he undoubtably made a few
town layouts or something. Anyway, I found an old CompuServe
conference (1984!) where he asked people there to help him with
conversations. Ahh, those were the days.....
-Ophidian Dragon
Winkler Devere Bond
In <55rmvs$a...@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> Gam...@geocities.com (Gamara II
Dragon) writes:
>
>It's true. When I was hiding in his bushes and going through his
>garbage last week, I heard him telling somebody on the phone that I
>had tapped that he gets stalkers. Poor guy!
And when I sifted through his mail yesterday, he had a bunch of
threatening letters! How could anyone do that.....
-Ophidian Dragon
Syed Noman Ahmad
In article <55rjvv$7...@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>,
Well, that was my point too. I never said that Richard Garriot
should be coding games, now. Story writers and game designers
are not Coders (usually, unless we are talking about Ron Gilbert,
or Doug Church may be). Richard Garriot was not involved in story
writing for Ultima 6/7/8. Correct me if I am wrong about U6.
I have played U4. I am a Garriot fan. It's just that, this whole
talk about "Garriot writing games or not" started when someone
said that people will make a fuss, if Garriot won't churn out
games at faster rate. That statement was technically incorrect.
Garriot can sleep 24 hours a day and it may not affect the
schedule of U9, IMHO.
---
Noman
cour...@kurt.killer
Joshua Jake <jj...@nixnet.com> wrote:
>Led Mirage wrote:
>>
>> In article <55l1is$h...@tbsnames.turner.com>,
>> TV <Shawn....@turner.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >There are people a LOT more famous read and sometimes even REPLY to email.
>> > It is an ego thing. Fame is fleeting. I am not expressing an opinion on
>> >Richard at all...cept that he's not too famous to read his Email. I doubt
>> >95% of game players know or care who makes their games. Most people
>> >reading this only know that you think highly of him. I haven't seen him
>> >in the news lately.
>>
>> You're right, he's not famous in a general sense. He's known only in the
>> gaming community. But where you're wrong is that he's the president of a
>> pretty big company. He oversees many employees and there are many
>> projects going on at the same time. Origin is not a basement operation
>> anymore. And you expect him to answer every piece of email sent his way?
>And can you tell me why the hell not???!
>He could always have hired a team of staff to deal with PR isn't it?
>By the way Origin has quite a number of people under their
>employment you know? If Mr. Garriot is still so busy then maybe he
>should just fire those staff since they are obviously not making
>his work any lighter rite???
>Pls compare apples with apples here, will ya? If you have no idea
>of what the message is dealing with here then pls keep your piece.
>--
>JJ
Geez you're ignorant. Just because you happen to buy one of Richard
garriot's company's product you expect him to answer every email you
or one of you're self-important buddies happen to churn out? Two
words: GROW UP!
-courtney's love child
Led Mirage
In article <3280ee06...@news.interport.net>,
Sith Dragon <mar...@interport.net> wrote:
>
>Unless I'm mistaken, sometime not long ago someone broke into his house at
>night claiming he was The Avatar.
Dang! And I hadn't thought of this idea first.
>
>LB apparently pulled out a 9mm and straightened out the situation. Pretty
>scary according to LB.
9mm? Geez, I thought he would have pulled out a two-handed sword (the
Black Sword?) or something.
-=UDIC=-
Led Mirage Dragon
Markus Brenner
In article <3280ee06...@news.interport.net>, mar...@interport.net wrote:
>Unless I'm mistaken, sometime not long ago someone broke into his house at
>night claiming he was The Avatar.
>
>scary according to LB.
>
>
>-==(UDIC)==-
Probably someone was going for LB's fork :)
-minstrel
----
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\/ --+-- with every up - must come a down
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| of happiness (Roger Taylor)
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Lady Whisper
In article <328141e1...@news.tiac.net>, po...@tiac.net says...
> It does, however, under the Constitution define him as legally
> innocent.
As I said, legal innocence doesn't equate to actual innocence.
> It would have reflected better on you if you'd said, "You're right. I
> retract the statement."
Terribly sorry, but I don't decide whether or not to state my opinions on
how I'm going to look to you. Why would I retract a statement if I meant
what I said, only to look good? That sounds a bit shallow and petty to
me.
Canadian
dev...@ix.netcom.com(Winkler Devere Bond) wrote:
I can't believe this! I'll have to ask him all about this in my daily 20
page letter. Dang, I might need a new box of crayons...
--
Chris Foley (chr...@iceonline.com)
Michael Toler
Led Mirage (lmi...@interlog.com) wrote:
: 9mm? Geez, I thought he would have pulled out a two-handed sword (the
: Black Sword?) or something.
<snicker>
If you've seen him handle edged weapons like I have, you might
wonder that. But even then, when we're talking Real World (tm)
you gotta go with the firepower.
Sure, in my house I have:
1. 9mm pistol
2. 20 guage pump shotgun
3. 4 Swords of various lengths and eras
4. Longbow (arrow kind, not AH-64 :(
5. Crossbow
6. too many knives to count.
and I'm what you would call proficient with all of them.
But if someone breaks into *MY* home, I go for the shotgun
or pistol. (whichever is closer)
(Oh, and BTW, Gunlocks and safe to keep them out of the
hands of the inexperienced)
Ouch out
--
Michael "Ouch" Toler | Don Gaspard Du Lac
Dallas, Texas | Barrony of the Steppes, Ansteorra
Check out my new Web page (CK) at:
http://www.cris.com/~ouch01/ouch.shtml
William Wueppelmann
Joshua Io wrote:
> software company to a man who saved countless lives of strangers, are
> you?
the lives of countless strangers.
Sorry, it just jumped out at me and I felt compelled to say something.
The Silly Dragon
johnnyB
In article <3283AB...@www.cbell.com>, Jon Campbell <cj...@www.cbell.com> wrote:
>
>Hey man!
>
>Not that I am trying to be insulting to another person's habits
>or personal preference...if I am not mistaken, LB has a tendency
>to over-indulge in his own fantasy of being *REAL*, 100% royalty.
>
>I clearly remember Richard Garriot dressing up as LORD BRITISH
>complete with a SCEPTER, ROBE and SERPENT CROWN at several
>conventions in the U.S.
>
>Seems to me like he might have given stalkers an excuse to do what
>they did in this case. Overindulgence is keyword, isn't it?
>
Yeah I know what you mean. In one of my classes at the Starfleet
Academy we talked about Holo-addiction. Sometimes people see things and begin
to believe that they are part of a fictional world. Anyway, I need to get back
to my starship before we leave for the Gamma Quadrant.
One to beam up!
Jon Campbell
Sith Dragon wrote:
>
> On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:41:45 -0500, sp...@together.net (steve b./cg strategy
> plus) wrote:
>
> >In article <55l1is$h...@tbsnames.turner.com>, Shawn....@turner.com
> >says...
> >> Yeah. He is probably getting stalkers all the time, crowds of women just
> >> camp on his lawn and autograph seekers skydive down into his compound just
> >> for a glimpse.
> >
> >Richard has had stalkers. He told me so himself.
>
> night claiming he was The Avatar.
>
> LB apparently pulled out a 9mm and straightened out the situation. Pretty
> scary according to LB.
Hey man!
Not that I am trying to be insulting to another person's habits
or personal preference...if I am not mistaken, LB has a tendency
to over-indulge in his own fantasy of being *REAL*, 100% royalty.
I clearly remember Richard Garriot dressing up as LORD BRITISH
complete with a SCEPTER, ROBE and SERPENT CROWN at several
conventions in the U.S.
Seems to me like he might have given stalkers an excuse to do what
they did in this case. Overindulgence is keyword, isn't it?
--
Campbell
Led Mirage
In article <55t8oi$h...@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca>,
Michael Toler <mto...@bnr.ca> wrote:
>Led Mirage (lmi...@interlog.com) wrote:
>: 9mm? Geez, I thought he would have pulled out a two-handed sword (the
>: Black Sword?) or something.
><snicker>
>
>If you've seen him handle edged weapons like I have, you might
>wonder that. But even then, when we're talking Real World (tm)
>you gotta go with the firepower.
Of course. I was just poking fun at his "real life role-playing" what
with constantly referring himself as Lord British, wearing crown and
period cloths and all that. Not to mention an "Avatar" broke into his
house. I fully understand the ease of use and power of modern firearms.
>
>Sure, in my house I have:
> 1. 9mm pistol
> 2. 20 guage pump shotgun
> 3. 4 Swords of various lengths and eras
> 4. Longbow (arrow kind, not AH-64 :(
> 5. Crossbow
> 6. too many knives to count.
What? no automatic rifles?
>
Stefan
Michael Toler wrote:
>
> Led Mirage (lmi...@interlog.com) wrote:
> : 9mm? Geez, I thought he would have pulled out a two-handed sword (the
> : Black Sword?) or something.
> <snicker>
>
> If you've seen him handle edged weapons like I have, you might
> wonder that. But even then, when we're talking Real World (tm)
> you gotta go with the firepower.
>
> 1. 9mm pistol
> 2. 20 guage pump shotgun
> 3. 4 Swords of various lengths and eras
> 4. Longbow (arrow kind, not AH-64 :(
> 5. Crossbow
> 6. too many knives to count.
>
> But if someone breaks into *MY* home, I go for the shotgun
> or pistol. (whichever is closer)
>
> (Oh, and BTW, Gunlocks and safe to keep them out of the
> hands of the inexperienced)
>
> Ouch out
> --
> Michael "Ouch" Toler | Don Gaspard Du Lac
> Dallas, Texas | Barrony of the Steppes, Ansteorra
> Check out my new Web page (CK) at:
> http://www.cris.com/~ouch01/ouch.shtml
--
Ah,
Welcome to Texas.
Does everyone have an arsenal in the U.S.?
greg
Lady Whisper wrote:
<snipers>
> Terribly sorry, but I don't decide whether or not to state my opinions on
> how I'm going to look to you. Why would I retract a statement if I meant
> what I said, only to look good? That sounds a bit shallow and petty to
> me.
>
Christopher A. Tew
mto...@bnr.ca (Michael Toler) wrote:
>Led Mirage (lmi...@interlog.com) wrote:
>: 9mm? Geez, I thought he would have pulled out a two-handed sword (the
>: Black Sword?) or something.
><snicker>
>If you've seen him handle edged weapons like I have, you might
>wonder that. But even then, when we're talking Real World (tm)
>you gotta go with the firepower.
>Sure, in my house I have:
> 1. 9mm pistol
> 2. 20 guage pump shotgun
> 3. 4 Swords of various lengths and eras
I'd rather have a Lochabar axe or a najinata. I like weilding hafted
blades more than a sword, especially if the thing is as light as a
najinata.
> 4. Longbow (arrow kind, not AH-64 :(
Well, whipping out an AH-64D on somebody would prove rather tough,
IMO. Especially within the confines of one's house. ;-)
> 5. Crossbow
> 6. too many knives to count.
>and I'm what you would call proficient with all of them.
>But if someone breaks into *MY* home, I go for the shotgun
>or pistol. (whichever is closer)
I'd grab the pistol and the crossbow. Use the crossbow first (it's
silent and Kevlar won't stop a bolt for a damn. Although a bullet's
faster, it doesn't much matter in the confines of a house), then the
pistol if I miss with the xbow. A shotgun would do too much property
damage if you didn't hit the intruder point blank. But it *is* rather
effective.
>(Oh, and BTW, Gunlocks and safe to keep them out of the
> hands of the inexperienced)
>Ouch out
>--
>Michael "Ouch" Toler | Don Gaspard Du Lac
>Dallas, Texas | Barrony of the Steppes, Ansteorra
>Check out my new Web page (CK) at:
> http://www.cris.com/~ouch01/ouch.shtml
-Abstract
Mark A. Berger
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>Michael Toler wrote:
>>
>> Led Mirage (lmi...@interlog.com) wrote:
>> : 9mm? Geez, I thought he would have pulled out a two-handed sword (the
>> : Black Sword?) or something.
>> <snicker>
>>
>> If you've seen him handle edged weapons like I have, you might
>> wonder that. But even then, when we're talking Real World (tm)
>> you gotta go with the firepower.
>>
>> Sure, in my house I have:
>> 1. 9mm pistol
>> 2. 20 guage pump shotgun
>> 3. 4 Swords of various lengths and eras
>> 4. Longbow (arrow kind, not AH-64 :(
>> 5. Crossbow
>> 6. too many knives to count.
>>
>> and I'm what you would call proficient with all of them.
>> But if someone breaks into *MY* home, I go for the shotgun
>> or pistol. (whichever is closer)
>>
>> (Oh, and BTW, Gunlocks and safe to keep them out of the
>> hands of the inexperienced)
>>
>> Ouch out
>> --
>> Michael "Ouch" Toler | Don Gaspard Du Lac
>> Dallas, Texas | Barrony of the Steppes, Ansteorra
>> Check out my new Web page (CK) at:
>> http://www.cris.com/~ouch01/ouch.shtml
>--
>Ah,
>Welcome to Texas.
>Does everyone have an arsenal in the U.S.?
No, but if I had all of that stuff, I'd go for the shotgun too. Nothing like
that "CRACK-KRAKK!" to tell an unwanted guest to go away.
Just my two credits.
Mark A. Berger
Edward Franks
My glass typewriter shows Jon Campbell saying...
> Sith Dragon wrote:
[Snip]
> Hey man!
>
> Not that I am trying to be insulting to another person's habits
> or personal preference...if I am not mistaken, LB has a tendency
> to over-indulge in his own fantasy of being *REAL*, 100% royalty.
>
> I clearly remember Richard Garriot dressing up as LORD BRITISH
> complete with a SCEPTER, ROBE and SERPENT CROWN at several
> conventions in the U.S.
>
> Seems to me like he might have given stalkers an excuse to do what
> they did in this case. Overindulgence is keyword, isn't it?
>
> --
> Campbell
>
No different than anyone else appearing in costume at a
convention.
Stalking is wrong under any and all circumstances. There is
*no* justification for this activity.
Edward
--
Edward Franks | efr...@msn.com
Fortran Dragon of the -==(UDIC)==- | xy...@ponyexpress.net
Microsoft Certified Product Specialist | Now _where_ is my slide rule?
Tom Pancoast
On Fri, 08 Nov 1996 01:42:26 -0500, Stefan <dess...@interlog.com> wrote:
>Michael Toler wrote:
>>
>> Sure, in my house I have:
>> 1. 9mm pistol
>> 2. 20 guage pump shotgun
>> 3. 4 Swords of various lengths and eras
>> 4. Longbow (arrow kind, not AH-64 :(
>> 5. Crossbow
>> 6. too many knives to count.
>
>Ah,
>
>Welcome to Texas.
>
>Does everyone have an arsenal in the U.S.?
No, but we can if we want (just stating a fact, not intended to be any kind
of commentary). Obviously this guy has gone beyond personal protection and
just likes weapons for their own sake (or he could just be nuts). :)
---------------------------------------
tpan...@freedomnet.com (Tom Pancoast)
"An object at rest cannot be stopped!"
Patrick K. Mills
>Ah,
>
>Welcome to Texas.
>
>Does everyone have an arsenal in the U.S.?
Well I for one don't. The only weapons I own are 3 swords (1 ancient,
1 WWI, 1 modern) 1 mediveal dagger, and a small air rifle used for
target practice. And I live in Texas. :)
--
Tezcatlipoca Dragon
-==<UDIC>==-
Patrick Mills
pncm...@txdirect.net
"Sorry about the crack."
-Patrick Mills
Graeme Lennon
> >Welcome to Texas.
> >
> >Does everyone have an arsenal in the U.S.?
>
>
> Well I for one don't. The only weapons I own are 3 swords (1 ancient,
> 1 WWI, 1 modern) 1 mediveal dagger, and a small air rifle used for
> target practice. And I live in Texas. :)
I would like to point at that to the rest of the world (or us Canadians
at the VERY least) that is not only a small arsenal, but in fact a very
LARGE arsenal. I myself own exactly 16 kitchen knives, a small letter
opener and a watergun.
Guess I'd have trouble getting a Green Card....
_ _
|*| Moongate Dragon |*|
-==< UD-IC >==-
Andrew Toth
Jon Campbell <cj...@www.cbell.com> wrote:
{+}Hey man!
{+}Not that I am trying to be insulting to another person's habits
{+}or personal preference...if I am not mistaken, LB has a tendency
{+}to over-indulge in his own fantasy of being *REAL*, 100% royalty.
{+}I clearly remember Richard Garriot dressing up as LORD BRITISH
{+}complete with a SCEPTER, ROBE and SERPENT CROWN at several
{+}conventions in the U.S.
{+}Seems to me like he might have given stalkers an excuse to do what
{+}they did in this case. Overindulgence is keyword, isn't it?
Well the last time I saw LB, I typed 'overindulgence' and he said "I
can't help you with that.", but 'Health' worked just fine. :)
Beyowulf
Beyo...@pipeline.com
Steely Blue Dragon Of The -==UDIC==-
michael
>mto...@bnr.ca (Michael Toler) wrote:
>
>>Sure, in my house I have:
>> 1. 9mm pistol
>> 2. 20 guage pump shotgun
>> 3. 4 Swords of various lengths and eras
>
>
I've got the Loc-nar.
mw
Snark Dragon
-==(UDIC)==-
--------------------------------------
"I think we should wake the gimp."
--------------------------------------
Edward Franks
My glass typewriter shows Stefan saying...
> Michael Toler wrote:
[Snip of firearms discussion]
> Ah,
> Welcome to Texas.
>
> Does everyone have an arsenal in the U.S.?
>
It is a Constitutional right. All free societies recognize the
right to defend oneself. The nice thing in the US is the decision is
up to _you_. If you think all firearms are evil and you want to wait
for the police to come and protect you - you can. If you want to take
up the responsibility and adhere to a higher legal standard of conduct
then you can own as many firearms as you want.
Winkler Devere Bond
In <3283c06e...@news.txdirect.net> pncm...@txdirect.net (Patrick
K. Mills) writes:
>Well I for one don't. The only weapons I own are 3 swords (1 ancient,
>1 WWI, 1 modern) 1 mediveal dagger, and a small air rifle used for
>target practice. And I live in Texas. :)
I have a few nukes in my back yard. So don't make me angry, or I'll
demolish this hemisphere :)
-Ophidian Dragon
Winkler Devere Bond
In <Pine.BSI.3.95.96110...@gold.interlog.com> Graeme
Lennon <gra...@interlog.com> writes:
> I would like to point at that to the rest of the world (or us
Canadians
>at the VERY least) that is not only a small arsenal, but in fact a
very
>LARGE arsenal. I myself own exactly 16 kitchen knives, a small letter
>opener and a watergun.
> Guess I'd have trouble getting a Green Card....
Well, I have a dagger that looked cool, but that's all. In my
brother's college, several students have maces and axes on their wall.
And they were bringing those to a friend when they were stopped by cops
:)
-Ophidian Dragon
Christopher A. Tew
Graeme Lennon <gra...@interlog.com> wrote:
>> >Welcome to Texas.
>> >
>> >Does everyone have an arsenal in the U.S.?
>>
>>
>> Well I for one don't. The only weapons I own are 3 swords (1 ancient,
>> 1 WWI, 1 modern) 1 mediveal dagger, and a small air rifle used for
>> target practice. And I live in Texas. :)
> I would like to point at that to the rest of the world (or us Canadians
>at the VERY least) that is not only a small arsenal, but in fact a very
>LARGE arsenal. I myself own exactly 16 kitchen knives, a small letter
>opener and a watergun.
> Guess I'd have trouble getting a Green Card....
> _ _
>|*| Moongate Dragon |*|
> -==< UD-IC >==-
<grunts something about Canadians being wimps> ;-)
Actaully, most American households, by and large, don't have formal
arsenals of any sort in their households. Most Americans who do live
in rural areas, where it's better to depend on oneself than the
police. IMO, that's a good policy in any area, as the police are
largely slow to respond to emergencies in any area. If somebody's
burglarizing my home, I'm not going to wait for the police to respond.
<shrug>
For me, the only arsenal that I require is a good stock of cans of
whup-ass...otherwise known as Lone Star beer. Why, last night, I
drank a can and moseyed over to South Central LA and cleaned the area
up. Yep. ;-)
-Abstract(the unofficial ass-whupper of UDIC)
Patrick K. Mills
On Fri, 8 Nov 1996 21:06:01 -0500, Graeme Lennon <gra...@interlog.com>
is reported to have said:
>> >Welcome to Texas.
>> >
>> >Does everyone have an arsenal in the U.S.?
>>
>>
>> Well I for one don't. The only weapons I own are 3 swords (1 ancient,
>> 1 WWI, 1 modern) 1 mediveal dagger, and a small air rifle used for
>> target practice. And I live in Texas. :)
>
> I would like to point at that to the rest of the world (or us Canadians
>at the VERY least) that is not only a small arsenal, but in fact a very
>LARGE arsenal. I myself own exactly 16 kitchen knives, a small letter
>opener and a watergun.
> Guess I'd have trouble getting a Green Card....
>
> _ _
>|*| Moongate Dragon |*|
> -==< UD-IC >==-
>
THAT! AN ARSENAL!?!?! The only two things in there that could injure
somone in that list are the two ancient peices, which I would never
remove from the wall.
Sh...@turner.com
It must be a british thing. Not enough to do. Richard should
move to the states. Unless you are in Hollywood where everyone
is looking for a famous face you can be almost anyone and walk
around free. I do. And maybe NY would be wise to stay away
from if you don't want to be stalked. But the rest is pretty
big. And they don't give a flying * about software designers.
TV
mar...@interport.net (Sith Dragon) wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:41:45 -0500, sp...@together.net (steve b./cg strategy
>plus) wrote:
>
>>In article <55l1is$h...@tbsnames.turner.com>, Shawn....@turner.com
>>says...
>>> Yeah. He is probably getting stalkers all the time, crowds of women just
>>> camp on his lawn and autograph seekers skydive down into his compound just
>>> for a glimpse.
>>
>>Richard has had stalkers. He told me so himself.
>
>Unless I'm mistaken, sometime not long ago someone broke into his house at
>night claiming he was The Avatar.
>
>LB apparently pulled out a 9mm and straightened out the situation. Pretty
>scary according to LB.
>
>
>Sith Dragon
>-==(UDIC)==-
Lady Whisper
In article <561ue4$e...@tbsnames.turner.com>, Sh...@turner.com says...
>
>
> It must be a british thing. Not enough to do. Richard should
> move to the states. Unless you are in Hollywood where everyone
> is looking for a famous face you can be almost anyone and walk
> around free. I do. And maybe NY would be wise to stay away
> from if you don't want to be stalked. But the rest is pretty
> big. And they don't give a flying * about software designers.
>
> TV
Richard lives in Austin, Texas.
Christian Counts
I own several firearms. I also have controlling interest in several other
firearms. Is this an arsenal? I don't think so. None of these weapons
is capable of sustained fire. None of these weapons' primary purpose is
protection (well, I suppose that the .357 *could* be construed as such).
Is there a causal connection between average individuals like myself
owning firearms and the plethora of firearms in the criminal community?
Not necessarily. Yes, many weapons are stolen from people who do not
possess a proclivity towards illicit behavior, and thus end up in the
darker areas of society. However, most of the weapons that the underworld
uses are the military grade semi (or fully) automatic type.
Do I think that the disarmament of the U.S. is a good idea? Sure, I
would much rather that the interpersonal violence in the U.S. was
relegated to the hand-to-hand arena. Will this ever happen? Nope. There
are *way* too many weapons available to those who wish to purchase
(however illicitly) them. Do I think that removing weapons from the
common people in the name of 'gun control' is a good thing? No way. I
relish not the prospect of relative defenselessness in a world of
gun-toting gangsters and wannabes.
Where do I see the whole debate eventually going? The tight regulation
of ammunition. No ammo, gun reduced to bludgeon. Simple.
~Geo (followups pared to those who care)
--
/||\ ___ /L\
( || ) | ( ) g...@geocities.com
\||/ O \_/
Winkler Devere Bond
In <561ue4$e...@tbsnames.turner.com> Sh...@turner.com writes:
>
>
>
>It must be a british thing. Not enough to do. Richard should
>move to the states. Unless you are in Hollywood where everyone
>is looking for a famous face you can be almost anyone and walk
>around free. I do. And maybe NY would be wise to stay away
>from if you don't want to be stalked. But the rest is pretty
>big. And they don't give a flying * about software designers.
Ummm.....Richard lives in Texas.....
-Ophidian Dragon
blueboy
Stefan wrote:
> Ah,
>
> Welcome to Texas.
>
> Does everyone have an arsenal in the U.S.?
I recently left Texas and let my arsenal there.
This arsenal consists solely of one grey tabby cat named "Stupid."
He sees, he kills.
Bloo
Graeme Lennon
> Well, I have a dagger that looked cool, but that's all. In my
> brother's college, several students have maces and axes on their wall.
> And they were bringing those to a friend when they were stopped by cops
What is this obsession with violence, anyway? We've got one thread
discussing how many weapons various of us own, one in which four people
challnge 30,000 to rip their throats out (BTW, get a life you 4), and one
in which people are discussing how many children they have slain!
And the media keeps going on about desensitization... what could they be
thinking.
As, someone keeps saying, that's my 0.0000002 cents. (That's about CDN$4
for those of you not up on exchange rates.)
Ashley
>Ah,
>
>Welcome to Texas.
>
>Does everyone have an arsenal in the U.S.?
Of course, they need to keep themselves safe from all the gun carrying
criminals. Hmmm, I wonder if they're linked.
Ciao.
Ashley.
=====================================================
"When you have nothing to say, say nothing." Charles Caleb Colton
piro...@netspace.net.au http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~pirovich
=====================================================
Andrew Toth
dev...@ix.netcom.com(Winkler Devere Bond) wrote:
{+}Humans are born de-sensitized. When were we not? The ancient Myas
{+}practiced human sacrifice. In the Roman Empire, people went to
public
{+}executions and torture for entertainment. In the Middle Ages, they
{+}wrote songs praising battle and slaughter and waged religious wars
in
{+}praise for their pacifistic God. In the nineteenth century, the US
{+}fought a war over a person's right to hold people in bondage. In
the
{+}50's, people were known regularly to close their windows when they
{+}heard cries for help outside. I'm not trying to be unfriendly, but
the
{+}media and politicions have always bugged me when they bring this
up.
Wouldn't say were born desensitized. But we learn it fairly quickly
for the most part. Keeps from wretching at the sight of blood an'
death. I would also say that it allows us to say that there's nothing
wrong with our society.
Winkler Devere Bond
In <Pine.BSI.3.95.961109...@gold.interlog.com> Graeme
Lennon <gra...@interlog.com> writes:
> What is this obsession with violence, anyway? We've got one thread
>discussing how many weapons various of us own,
Because humans, by nature, are hunters. We are biologically programmed
to take an interest in violence. Many thousands of years ago, that was
needed for survival!
>one in which four people
>challnge 30,000 to rip their throats out (BTW, get a life you 4),
I think that will be fun. You could walk around and here stories of
this band of four anonymous murderers. They could have aliases and
everything. That would be fun! This is what we need in UOL. Get
people INVOLVED with the game world.
>and one
>in which people are discussing how many children they have slain!
They're discussing an in-joke at Origin.
> And the media keeps going on about desensitization... what could
they be
>thinking.
Humans are born de-sensitized. When were we not? The ancient Myas
practiced human sacrifice. In the Roman Empire, people went to public
executions and torture for entertainment. In the Middle Ages, they
wrote songs praising battle and slaughter and waged religious wars in
praise for their pacifistic God. In the nineteenth century, the US
fought a war over a person's right to hold people in bondage. In the
50's, people were known regularly to close their windows when they
heard cries for help outside. I'm not trying to be unfriendly, but the
media and politicions have always bugged me when they bring this up.
Sorry for rambling.
-Ophidian Dragon
Gamara II Dragon
Sh...@turner.com wrote:
>It must be a british thing. Not enough to do. Richard should
>move to the states. Unless you are in Hollywood where everyone
^^^^^
You mean the *UNITED STATES*, aka America? Whoops, I forgot that
Austin, Texas was a small urban community in Belgium.
>is looking for a famous face you can be almost anyone and walk
>around free. I do. And maybe NY would be wise to stay away
>from if you don't want to be stalked. But the rest is pretty
>big. And they don't give a flying * about software designers.
Gamara II Dragon
..-=={UDIC}==-.
Winkler Devere Bond
In <563ghj$7...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> Gam...@geocities.com (Gamara
II Dragon) writes:
>
>Sh...@turner.com wrote:
>
>
>>It must be a british thing. Not enough to do. Richard should
>>move to the states. Unless you are in Hollywood where everyone
> ^^^^^
>You mean the *UNITED STATES*, aka America? Whoops, I forgot that
>Austin, Texas was a small urban community in Belgium.
Don't you know anything? Austin is a Chinese name!
-Ophidian Dragon
Christian Counts
Gamara II Dragon <Gam...@geocities.com> wrote:
: An arsenal is simply a collection of more than one weapon. You have an
: arsenal. Be proud of it.
Oh. <grin> I was under the impression that an arsenal was a big@$$
collection of weapons, gathered with the intention of waging combat.
Shoot, (okay, bad pun) I have a keen mind, two strong hands, long legs,
one *bad* temper, and no compunctions about waging an 'unfair' fight. I
think I must be a walking arsenal. And that is just my human form... <g>
~Geoarsenal
Jon Campbell
Edward Franks wrote:
> > Seems to me like he might have given stalkers an excuse to do what
> >
> > Campbell
> >
>
> No different than anyone else appearing in costume at a
> convention.
>
> Stalking is wrong under any and all circumstances. There is
> *no* justification for this activity.
Hmmm...maybe. But neither is overindulgence.
Fyi, those were -not- a costume convention for costume freaks...and
it sure-as-hell wasn't Halloween.
--
Campbell
Søren Jann Svendsen
Edward Franks <xy...@ponyexpress.net> wrote in article
<MPG.ced2726c...@news.ponyexpress.net>...
> It is a Constitutional right. All free societies recognize the
> right to defend oneself. The nice thing in the US is the decision is
> up to _you_. If you think all firearms are evil and you want to wait
> for the police to come and protect you - you can. If you want to take
> up the responsibility and adhere to a higher legal standard of conduct
> then you can own as many firearms as you want.
Aren't you just defending yourself from the not-so-high-legal-standard
people who ALSO got a gun thanks to their constitutional rights?
Somehow americans are notoriously known among europeans for their unending
devotion to things that goes boom. In lil' ol' Denmark most people get
murdered by cudgeling or stabbing or something similiar. Oh, recently Hells
Angels and Bandidos has been shooting and carbombing each other with the
odd LAW rocket to throw in, but Lucky for us they are so few (even fewer
now).
Muted Dragon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Soren Svendsen
e-mail: soren.s...@post3.tele.dk
Fido: 2:234/39.100
Kahlil Thomas
dev...@ix.netcom.com(Winkler Devere Bond) wrote:
>Overindulgence? Dressing up as a character in a game? I think he was
>having fun. And promoting his game.
Yeah...sounds more like a form of marketing to me. If he wore LB's
clothes every day, THAT would be a little strange.
KVT
Markus Brenner
In article <5628u0$3...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Christian Counts <cou...@primenet.com> wrote:
>Do I think that removing weapons from the
>common people in the name of 'gun control' is a good thing? No way. I
>relish not the prospect of relative defenselessness in a world of
>gun-toting gangsters and wannabes.
Hm, IMO I can live rather well in what I consider a major city in Germany,
Munich, without guns. I guess it depends on our countries' different
histories, but I'm all against lifting the strong regulations of firearms in
Germany. I didn't meet that many gun-toting gangsters and wannabes yet. And I
can use the subway at 1am, without fear.
> Where do I see the whole debate eventually going? The tight regulation
>of ammunition. No ammo, gun reduced to bludgeon. Simple.
Hm. Reminds me of the huge number of cars in Germany and trying to get rid of
them by increasing the gas prise. Didn't work in Germany, yet ;)
>~Geo (followups pared to those who care)
Cheers,
-minstrel
----
Markus Brenner _ no matter how - how hard you try
-==(UDIC)==- ( ) in your own life, and through the years
\/ --+-- with every up - must come a down
Minstrel Dragon | enjoy the laughter and the tears
| of happiness (Roger Taylor)
Lord High Mucketty-muck of the UDIC Greybeards (tm)
email: bre...@biochem.mpg.de * WWW: http://www.biochem.mpg.de/~brenner/
Markus Brenner
In article <Pine.BSI.3.95.961109...@gold.interlog.com>, Graeme Lennon <gra...@interlog.com> wrote:
> American beer? Gimme a break. Come up here to Real Man's Land (tm), and
>we'll show you what beer's all about.
> "What do American beer and making love in a boat have in common?"
> "They're both f*&%ing close to water...."
> (Old, I know, but what they hey....)
> _ _
>|*| Moongate Dragon |*|
Where's Real Man's Land? Anyway, visit me in Munich and have some Bavarian
beer :)
cheers,
Quarex
rec.games.computer.ultima-dragons: The place, michael <mwi...@cetlink.net>: The face:
: I've got the Loc-nar.
HaHAhahahAHA!! YEAH!! I didn't think there could possibly be anything
FUNNY in this thread, but I was proven wrong. I think the Loc-Nar could
possibly be the single most effective self-defense method ever. . if only
you could keep it from melting you :)
--
*** NAME: Quarex
*** JOB: Iconoclast
*** GARGOYLES: No man could have slain Quenton!
*** BYE: Good day to thee.
Christian Counts
: In article <5628u0$3...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Geo wrote:
: >Do I think that removing weapons from the
: >common people in the name of 'gun control' is a good thing? No way. I
: >relish not the prospect of relative defenselessness in a world of
: >gun-toting gangsters and wannabes.
Markus Brenner <bre...@biochem.mpg.de> responded:
: Hm, IMO I can live rather well in what I consider a major city in Germany,
: Munich, without guns. I guess it depends on our countries' different
: histories, but I'm all against lifting the strong regulations of firearms
: in Germany. I didn't meet that many gun-toting gangsters and wannabes
: yet. And I can use the subway at 1am, without fear.
No, I really wouldn't recommend arming an already civilized populace.
Around here, however, where just about every male I know packs a weapon
(not really, but more than you'd feel comfortable with) I think that
taking away *my* means of protecting myself is a bit threatening in and
of itself.
~Geo (who is not some sort of waco BTW)
Graeme Lennon
> > What is this obsession with violence, anyway? We've got one thread
> >discussing how many weapons various of us own,
>
> Because humans, by nature, are hunters. We are biologically programmed
> to take an interest in violence. Many thousands of years ago, that was
> needed for survival!
Many thousands of years ago -- not today.
> >one in which four people
> >challnge 30,000 to rip their throats out (BTW, get a life you 4),
>
> I think that will be fun. You could walk around and here stories of
> this band of four anonymous murderers. They could have aliases and
> everything. That would be fun! This is what we need in UOL. Get
> people INVOLVED with the game world.
Hmm... we have all shelled out MONEY for the *right* to *test* a *game*
that may not even *work* for all we know. I think it is safe to say that
we are all fairly *involved* in what will happen in UO.
Besides, you want fun? A challenge? Be an Avatar.
> >and one
> >in which people are discussing how many children they have slain!
>
> They're discussing an in-joke at Origin.
My point is why it is an in-joke at all... why it is in the games at
all.
> > And the media keeps going on about desensitization... what could
> they be
> >thinking.
>
> Humans are born de-sensitized. When were we not? The ancient Myas
> practiced human sacrifice. In the Roman Empire, people went to public
> executions and torture for entertainment. In the Middle Ages, they
> wrote songs praising battle and slaughter and waged religious wars in
> praise for their pacifistic God. In the nineteenth century, the US
> fought a war over a person's right to hold people in bondage. In the
> 50's, people were known regularly to close their windows when they
> heard cries for help outside. I'm not trying to be unfriendly, but the
> media and politicions have always bugged me when they bring this up.
> Sorry for rambling.
This is proof that we are born de-sensitized to violence? A baby cries
when his mother is beaten in front of her. It is only *afterwards* that he
becomes desensitized to it. As for the Crusades and the American Civil War
-- those conflicts actually RE-sensitized many people to the horrors of
violence and war. Many people came back from those battles as pacifists,
in fact, many of the modern pacifist organizations trace roots back to the
Civil War.
Maybe te problem isn't that we are over-exposed to violence, but that we
aren't exposed enough to REAL violence. Seeing it through the insulator of
a TV or monitor screen dulls the effect to the point where it can be
tolerated and even enjoyed. Sort of like cocaine -- the pure stuff can
kill you.
_ _
|*| Moongate Dragon |*|
-==< UD-IC >==-
Graeme Lennon
> > American beer? Gimme a break. Come up here to Real Man's Land (tm), and
> >we'll show you what beer's all about.
> > "What do American beer and making love in a boat have in common?"
> > "They're both f*&%ing close to water...."
> > (Old, I know, but what they hey....)
> >|*| Moongate Dragon |*|
>
> Where's Real Man's Land? Anyway, visit me in Munich and have some Bavarian
> beer :)
Canada, of course! Land of Hockey, Beer and Jean Chretien! Also of
Moongate and Quebec Dragons! (And likely some others that I'm not aware
of.) Land of plummeting interest rates and rising unemployment!
And you wonder why we consume so much beer!
> cheers,
I'd love to! German beer is second only to good Canadian. Well, OK,
maybe a little bit better... ;)
But hey, it's not really fair. You guys got several thousand years head
start.
Bottom's up!
Winkler Devere Bond
In <3286D8...@www.cbell.com> Jon Campbell <cj...@www.cbell.com>
writes:
>Hmmm...maybe. But neither is overindulgence.
>
>Fyi, those were -not- a costume convention for costume freaks...and
>it sure-as-hell wasn't Halloween.
Overindulgence? Dressing up as a character in a game? I think he was
having fun. And promoting his game.
-Ophidian Dragon
Graeme Lennon
> I own several firearms. I also have controlling interest in several other
> firearms. Is this an arsenal? I don't think so. None of these weapons
> is capable of sustained fire. None of these weapons' primary purpose is
> protection (well, I suppose that the .357 *could* be construed as such).
> are *way* too many weapons available to those who wish to purchase
> common people in the name of 'gun control' is a good thing? No way. I
> relish not the prospect of relative defenselessness in a world of
> gun-toting gangsters and wannabes.
Well, this is the crux of the debate. All I can really say is that here
in Canada, we get the same TV channels, the same movies, the same news,
the same celebrities (heck, most of them are ours anyway <g>), but for
some reason we don't have anywhere near the same problems with violence
and firearms that you do -- and we restrict their use. I cannot quote you
numbers, but it seems fairly obvious to me that there is a direct
connection.
> Where do I see the whole debate eventually going? The tight regulation
> of ammunition. No ammo, gun reduced to bludgeon. Simple.
I fail to see what the difference is between restriciting ammunition and
restriciting the firearm itself. Why even provide people with a bludgeon?
A gun as a bludgeon is far more effective than ammunition as a pepple.