Ed Labate vs. Ed Trice
samsloan
Labate and Ed Trice threaten each other.
I do not know either of them so I have no opinion as to who is right,
but Ed Labate has been involved in chess both as a book seller and as
a tournament organizer for at least 40 years whereas Ed Trice is a
recently arrived huxter, so I am inclined to believe that Ed Labate is
right and Ed Trice is a fraud.
On the other hand, Ed Labate filed a frivolous lawsuit against the
USCF around 25 years ago for refusing to list his tournaments in the
TLA section of Chess Life and was paid a settlement of $30,000. Ed
Trice gets favorable mention for revealing that Rob "The Robber"
Mitchell was trying to scam him for $35,000. Ed Trice has received a
lot of favorable publicity on the Polgar websites.
Read the following websites and formulate your own opinion:
The Gothic Chess Federation
re: Ed Labate
http://www.gothicchess.com/labate.html
Labate Chess
re: Ed Trice
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html
Dear Ed Trice may be in a lot of trouble.
As "My 61 Memorable Games" by Bobby Fischer goes from a mystery to a
hoax ...
US Chess Federation
My 61 Memorable Games: A Mystery
by GM Larry Evans
February 1, 2008
http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8175/431
US Chess Federation
My 61 Memorable Games: A Hoax
by GM Larry Evans
April 10, 2008
http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8333/446
Blame is casted and scapegoats are sought (including a criminal
complaint with the FBI) ...
Chess Ninja
Daily Dirt
Fischer Book
http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/2007/12/fischer_book_for_real.htm
Fischer's My 61 Memorable Games
Google Groups
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess.politics/browse_thread/thread/18cd6eed1a0b0851/50d6ec973d0f119f?lnk=raot#50d6ec973d0f119f
Positions are declared, reputations are staked and a 10-count libel
lawsuit is filed ...
The Gothic Chess Forum
re: Ed Labate
page 1
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_Chess_Forum/index.php?s=779ceae97b7a8c0b046a7c6613362bcf&showtopic=422&st=0
page 2
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jon.ds...@gmail.com
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_Chess_Forum/index.php?s=779ceae97b...
We have Trice saying
"You see, I am not married, nor have I ever been"
And yet back in 2003 on www.gothicchess.org:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040423184606/gothicchess.org/ic_2003_04.html
the "Gothic Chess Patriarch" quoth:
"I was there with my wife Ellie"
(I love the WayBack Machine! - www.archive.org)
This is just example where Trice has been caught out lying. The most
hilarious examples can be found when he talks about the Gothic Chess
tournaments he held which attracted 4000 or more participants!
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=54078&page=5
Would you buy a chunk of Mars from this man?
www.legallyownlandonmars.com
Ed Trice. A man who retired at 32 and owns three homes with no
mortgage on any of them:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=317580&page=3
And yet was forced into bankrupcy in 2004:
http://tinyurl.com/49rkog
I am one of many people who Trice has crossed over the years. He is
the sort of man who can start an argument (and initiate a scam) in an
empty room.
Edward Labate
Sam, I'm 53 years old...I've been selling chess books since 1979, and
running tournaments since 1981,i.e. 24 years old and 26 years old, not
at 13 years old!
<On the other hand, Ed Labate filed a frivolous lawsuit against the
USCF around 25 years ago for refusing to list his tournaments in the
TLA section of Chess Life and was paid a settlement of $30,000.>
Sam, I've emailed you on this before, and yet you persist and
misstating what happened: The USCF suspended my affiliation without
due process, i.e., notice. This was the famous "We received your
money. However, your flag fell!' Gerry Dullea witticism. The USCF
refuse to reinstate me, even though I know had a ZERO balance, thereby
destroying my business. My business was based on foot traffic. Yes,
they paid me to settle out of court $30,000.00, 13 months later!!
Well, the damage was done. I won the battle and lost the war. My
business never recovered and in 1990 I closed down my chess center and
starting selling vintage sportscards.
Best Wishes!
Edward Labate
National Chess Master
P.O. Box 1404
Athens,AL. 35612
256.829.2298 / LEAVE MESSAGE
OUTSIDE OF ALABAMA,
TOLL FREE 877.336.7021 / LEAVE MESSAGE
P.S. newest website listings
http://www.labatechess.com/store/
http://www.amazon.com/shops/labatechess
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service
Announcement/PSA to all you know:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html RE: My 61 Memorable Games
Hoax
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html RE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice/
Gothic Chess
http://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.htmlm RE: Convicted Felon/
Pedophile, Robert Snyder
Mike Murray
<labat...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>http://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.html
Ed, is this the same guy who has a variation of the Sicilian named
after him, and a variation in the Blackmar-Diemer gambit?
parrt...@cs.com
Ed Labate may have truth and justice on his
side, but what happens in court is another question.
Still, based on what I have read (and I've not
seen every reference devoted to the case), it a
appears that Ed Trice is in trouble.
I hope that Ed Labate will show some charity and
settle for a modest cash amount plus an airtight,
public admission from Mr. Trice of guilt. This latter
has to be very direct and, in fact, an unconditional
declaration of surrender.
It often happens that people enter our world of
chess, play some egregiously stupid games involving
either semi-fraud or worse -- and then later settle
down and become productive chess citizens.
How old is Mr. Trice?
Yours, Larry Parr
jon.ds...@gmail.com
too old to change his ways - I should know as I am just a few days
older than Trice!
Can you give any examples of people making an inglorious entry into
the chess world but then changing their ways and doing something
worthwhile and becoming respected by their peers? I can think of a few
who have got into fist fights, but that is a sign of hot-headedness
rather than the inherent evil mind that is needed to attempt fraud on
fellow chess players.
On Jun 1, 8:58 am, "parrthe...@cs.com" <parrthe...@cs.com> wrote:
>
> It often happens that people enter our world of
> chess, play some egregiously stupid games involving
> either semi-fraud or worse -- and then later settle
> down and become productive chess citizens.
>
> How old is Mr. Trice?
>
> > ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service
> > Announcement/PSA to all you know:
> >http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.htmlRE: My 61 Memorable Games
> > Hoax
> >http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.htmlRE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice/
> > Gothic Chess
> >http://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.htmlmRE: Convicted Felon/
> > Pedophile, Robert Snyder
jkh...@aim.com
I didn't know about the Blackmar-Diemer variation, but yes, it's the
same Robert Snyder.
jon.ds...@gmail.com
eBay auction for "My 61 Memorable Games" in December 2007:
"Ed Trice: Not only is that old news, he is doing much better.
Furthermore, his new book is being printed right now. A new email
address can reach the man in direct contact with him regarding
resellers who wish to order it. This is for people who will order 100
or more copies of it at a time for resale. If some of you want to "ask
the man" anything, coming directly from him himself, get on this list.
Maybe if you order 10 books at a discount and get 9 other people to do
the same, one of you can collect the order money and make a reseller
purchase of 100 books. For all serious inquires, send an email to
GothicC...@aol.com and I will help move this along. NOTE: All I
did was hook Fischer up with a reliable printer, I don't have the
book, I don't have access to the book, I just helped him out when
everyone else turned their backs on him."
This doesn't really gel with what Trice now claims his involvement
was, does it?
On 31 May, 17:32, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Things are really heating up and it is going to be interesting as Ed
> Labate and Ed Trice threaten each other.
>
> I do not know either of them so I have no opinion as to who is right,
> but Ed Labate has been involved in chess both as a book seller and as
> a tournament organizer for at least 40 years whereas Ed Trice is a
> recently arrived huxter, so I am inclined to believe that Ed Labate is
> right and Ed Trice is a fraud.
>
> On the other hand, Ed Labate filed a frivolous lawsuit against the
> USCF around 25 years ago for refusing to list his tournaments in the
> TLA section of Chess Life and was paid a settlement of $30,000. Ed
> Trice gets favorable mention for revealing that Rob "The Robber"
> Mitchell was trying to scam him for $35,000. Ed Trice has received a
> lot of favorable publicity on the Polgar websites.
>
> Read the following websites and formulate your own opinion:
>
> The Gothic Chess Federation
> re: Ed Labatehttp://www.gothicchess.com/labate.html
>
> Labate Chess
> re: Ed Tricehttp://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html
>
> Dear Ed Trice may be in a lot of trouble.
>
> As "My 61 Memorable Games" by Bobby Fischer goes from a mystery to a
> hoax ...
>
> US Chess Federation
> My 61 Memorable Games: A Mystery
> by GM Larry Evans
> February 1, 2008http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8175/431
>
> US Chess Federation
> My 61 Memorable Games: A Hoax
> by GM Larry Evans
> April 10, 2008http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8333/446
>
> Blame is casted and scapegoats are sought (including a criminal
> complaint with the FBI) ...
>
> Chess Ninja
> Daily Dirt
> Fischer Bookhttp://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/2007/12/fischer_book_for_real.htm
>
> Fischer's My 61 Memorable Games
> Google Groupshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess.politics/browse_thread...
>
> Positions are declared, reputations are staked and a 10-count libel
> lawsuit is filed ...
>
> The Gothic Chess Forum
> re: Ed Labate
> page 1http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_Chess_Forum/index.php?s=779ceae97b...
> page 2http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_Chess_Forum/index.php?s=71c84948aa...
Rob
> Here is a message that Trice posted on chessgames.com just before the
> eBay auction for "My 61 Memorable Games" in December 2007:
>
> "Ed Trice: Not only is that old news, he is doing much better.
> Furthermore, his new book is being printed right now. A new email
> address can reach the man in direct contact with him regarding
> resellers who wish to order it. This is for people who will order 100
> or more copies of it at a time for resale. If some of you want to "ask
> the man" anything, coming directly from him himself, get on this list.
> Maybe if you order 10 books at a discount and get 9 other people to do
> the same, one of you can collect the order money and make a reseller
> purchase of 100 books. For all serious inquires, send an email to
>
> - Show quoted text -
Believe Mr. Labate
samsloan
> Believe Mr. Labate
Interesting point: It is primarily because of Ed Trice that Rob "The
Robber" Mitchell got his moniker "The Robber".
So, as it becomes increasingly clear that Ed Trice was behind the "My
61 Memorable Games Hoax", one must consider the possibility, however
unlikely as it may seem, that Rob Mitchell really did not try to
swindle Ed Trice out of $35,000.
Also, it was Ed Trice who claimed that he had written a computer
program that had solved the game of checkers. This turns out not to be
true either.
So, we must look back and re-evaluate all the claims that Ed Trice has
been making.
Sam Sloan
Chess One
"samsloan" <samh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fd43e8d2-731c-41c1...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 2, 5:42 pm, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Believe Mr. Labate
>
> Interesting point: It is primarily because of Ed Trice that Rob "The
> Robber" Mitchell got his moniker "The Robber".
Sam Sloan's sly repetition neglects to mention that he is the only person to
ever use that term. Regular people for example call Rob, 'Lex' ;)
What Sam Sloan knows about anyone's business relationships is unknown -
especially since /I/ know much of the detail of what went on, and I know
there were non-disclosure agreements. Therefore, what does the Sloan know,
and from whom? ;)
> So, as it becomes increasingly clear that Ed Trice was behind the "My
> 61 Memorable Games Hoax", one must consider the possibility, however
> unlikely as it may seem, that Rob Mitchell really did not try to
> swindle Ed Trice out of $35,000.
>
> Also, it was Ed Trice who claimed that he had written a computer
> program that had solved the game of checkers. This turns out not to be
> true either.
>
> So, we must look back and re-evaluate all the claims that Ed Trice has
> been making.
I know what's true and what ain't.
What can be said outside any non-disclosure agreement, is that Ed did try to
get Fischer into a match - but what Sloan accuses Rob of doing is really
nonsense - he should accuse me instead. Because I also talked directly to
Fischer and his buddy-guard Saemi. This was the last big attempt to get
Fischer back into any sort of chess.[at least 5 other people know about
this, 2 in this ng, and nobody writes about it, since it is confidential
arrangement necessary for such things to occur.]
Sam Sloan might desist from his instant judgements of people, since at least
objectively, it is only as right as the proverbial clock.
He might also progress from the world of comic book appelations of
completely good and bad people, all heroic or all villainy, and try to take
in some grown-up perspectives.
Phil Innes
I cut the [un]usual newsgroups.
> Sam Sloan
>
jon.ds...@gmail.com
to set up his Karpov vs Fischer Gothic Chess match:
http://gothicchess.blogspot.com/2007/07/meeting-bobby-fischer-in-iceland-one.html
(search for "masterminds" to get to the start of the bit which
mentions Rob Mitchell).
This seems to clearly state that Trice believed Chess Masterminds (=
Rob Mitchell) tried to extract $35,000 from him by saying that they
had contacted both Karpov and Fischer and had convinced them to
participate in the match, however you should bear in mind that this is
written by Ed Trice, and hence highly unlikely to be the whole truth.
On 3 Jun, 15:01, "Chess One" <OneCh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> What can be said outside any non-disclosure agreement, is that Ed did try to
> get Fischer into a match - but what Sloan accuses Rob of doing is really
> nonsense - he should accuse me instead. Because I also talked directly to
> Fischer and his buddy-guard Saemi. This was the last big attempt to get
> Fischer back into any sort of chess.[at least 5 other people know about
> this, 2 in this ng, and nobody writes about it, since it is confidential
> arrangement necessary for such things to occur.]
>
> Sam Sloan might desist from his instant judgements of people, since at least
> objectively, it is only as right as the proverbial clock.
>
> Phil Innes
>
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Bobby Fischer's "My 61 Memorable Games"
read all about it here: http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html
Chess One
<jon.ds...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:86a11041-b840-46d0...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> What Sam Sloan is referring to is Trice's long story of how he tried
> to set up his Karpov vs Fischer Gothic Chess match:
> http://gothicchess.blogspot.com/2007/07/meeting-bobby-fischer-in-iceland-one.html
> (search for "masterminds" to get to the start of the bit which
> mentions Rob Mitchell).
> This seems to clearly state that Trice believed Chess Masterminds (=
> Rob Mitchell) tried to extract $35,000 from him by saying that they
> had contacted both Karpov and Fischer and had convinced them to
> participate in the match, however you should bear in mind that this is
> written by Ed Trice, and hence highly unlikely to be the whole truth.
I believe there is an agreement, and it is covered by a non-disclosure
agreement, signed by both parties.
ChessMasterminds [CM] does not equal Rob Mitchell, although he may play have
played a part in it. It is not my understanding that CM contacted Ed, but
the other way around - so I am not sure what sense 'extract' obtains in the
above para. But since CM is a film production entity, to 'extract' $35,000
for a Fischer match is absurd! Perhaps Mr. Sloan never inquired the cost of
a prime-time production? Or he thinks the film would last about 10 minutes -
even high-end titles and graphics in HD can cost that much.
Anyway - I rather feel as though Sam Sloan thinks Fischer is 'his', or his
to protect. Whereas the truth is that Saemi P was more than adequate
protection for RJF - an RJF who is not at all naive about his media worth.
---
/I/ contacted both Fischer [in Iceland] and Karpov [who was in Moscow at the
time]. I also contacted other players - but that's my business!
To my knowledge, Rob Mitchell did not contact either player, ever. Sam Sloan
persists in suggesting that he did, and also by quoting what looks like
priveleged information under the confidentiality agreement - information
from a draft which was incidentally not signed by both parties, a draft
numbered 3.
But there were 4 drafts!
---
Neither has Sam Sloan said what he objects to about the proposed deal for
any amount of money - that is to say, what exactly CM would need to perform
to obtain it, and why in the Sloan's opinion it is wrongo, sooo wrongo!
I have told Sloan this before, not just twice before [!] and of course he
completely ignores it, preferring to villify Rob Mitchell for something he
never did, never proposed to do, or was contracted for!
So what's new with the latest Sloan alarums?
I am not subject to that confidentiality agreement, and though I can fault
Sloan's public suppositions by these public writings - I don't see why I
should present anything else to him at all. He can't even state his own
interest in it.
Now Sloan is re-evaluating his previous lauding of Ed Trice, and finding a
new villain in him - compounding sins and things of worth all together. In
the grown-up world, things are a bit more complicated than Cops & Robbers,
heroes and villains, who all live in Sloan-City in places quite close to
where Super-Sloan himself has his virtual being.
Cordially, Phil Innes
jon.ds...@gmail.com
http://gothicchess.blogspot.com/2007/07/meeting-bobby-fischer-in-iceland-one.html
is in Ed Trice's own Gothic Chess blog, it has got nothing whatsoever
to do with Sam Sloan. If I have mis-understood you where you wrote
"Sloan's public suppositions by these public writings" and this means
something other than you think Sam Sloan wrote this blog, then please
forgive me.
It is Ed Trice who decided that the non-disclosure agreement was no
longer in force (because a year had passed since the contracts needed
to be signed by both parties) and started to write his own account of
what happened when he tried to organise the Karpov vs Fischer Gothic
Chess match. He seems to have got bored before he reached the end and
he hasn't updated it in months.
Now, Chess Masterminds may well be a film production company, but it
seams to me that Trice wanted to use them to obtain the agreement of
both Karpov of Fischer in the match (paragraph 8 in that draft
contract), and that was what he was willing to pay them $35,000 for.
He claims in his blog that Rob Mitchell said that he been in contact
with Karpov and had secured his agreement, but that this turned out
not to be true. That is why there is a claim that Rob Mitchell tried
to scam Ed Trice for $35,000 - because he asked for payment for a job
he claimed to have done, but in reality hadn't. Of course, this is
just Trice's version of events.
You've mentioned that "things are a bit more complicated than Cops &
Robbers" a couple of times now. Whilst this may be true, I think it is
pretty obvious that some people you come across are closer to the Good
Guys, and some closer to the Bad Guys. Ed Trice's attempts to scam
Edward Labate out of $6000 for the non-existent "My 61 Memorable
Games" book places him very firmly in the Bad Guys camp.
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Bobby Fischer's "My 61 Memorable Games"
read all about it here:http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html
On 3 Jun, 16:28, "Chess One" <OneCh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> <jon.dsouza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:86a11041-b840-46d0...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > What Sam Sloan is referring to is Trice's long story of how he tried
> > to set up his Karpov vs Fischer Gothic Chess match:
> >http://gothicchess.blogspot.com/2007/07/meeting-bobby-fischer-in-icel...
Chess One
<jon.ds...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a219b48a-badc-4092...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Phil - you seem to be a bit confused here. The link I posted:
> http://gothicchess.blogspot.com/2007/07/meeting-bobby-fischer-in-iceland-one.html
> is in Ed Trice's own Gothic Chess blog, it has got nothing whatsoever
> to do with Sam Sloan.
Yeah, I know. Sloan is reporting from that site.
> If I have mis-understood you where you wrote
> "Sloan's public suppositions by these public writings" and this means
> something other than you think Sam Sloan wrote this blog, then please
> forgive me.
What he has read is as I have said - I have no idea why it is put up at the
site, but what Sloan then makes of this unsigned draft agreement which is
besides within an confidentiality agreement is up to him. As to making
resolutions about people from that - then my point is that Sam Sloan
consistently ignores all I have said about it.
> It is Ed Trice who decided that the non-disclosure agreement was no
> longer in force (because a year had passed since the contracts needed
> to be signed by both parties) and started to write his own account of
> what happened when he tried to organise the Karpov vs Fischer Gothic
> Chess match. He seems to have got bored before he reached the end and
> he hasn't updated it in months.
>
> Now, Chess Masterminds may well be a film production company, but it
> seams to me that Trice wanted to use them to obtain the agreement of
> both Karpov of Fischer in the match (paragraph 8 in that draft
> contract), and that was what he was willing to pay them $35,000 for.
> He claims in his blog that Rob Mitchell said that he been in contact
> with Karpov and had secured his agreement, but that this turned out
> not to be true.
So? What I wrote in the previous message is true. Who knows what Ed thinks
is true?
> That is why there is a claim that Rob Mitchell tried
> to scam Ed Trice for $35,000 - because he asked for payment for a job
> he claimed to have done, but in reality hadn't. Of course, this is
> just Trice's version of events.
<shrug> Sure. It is Ed's version of events.
> You've mentioned that "things are a bit more complicated than Cops &
> Robbers" a couple of times now. Whilst this may be true, I think it is
> pretty obvious that some people you come across are closer to the Good
> Guys, and some closer to the Bad Guys. Ed Trice's attempts to scam
> Edward Labate out of $6000 for the non-existent "My 61 Memorable
> Games" book places him very firmly in the Bad Guys camp.
That may also be true, but I have no knowledge from any party if it is or
not. I restrict myself to what I wrote previously on what I know is true or
not.
Cordially, Phil
victor...@gmail.com
though
You can't take anyone to court after you blab about it the way stuff
went on here. Legal matters are private matters. Someone wronged you,
you have to go through proper channels. The fact that both people
ranted about it on the web is grounds to dismiss anything mentioned as
evidence.
The Wikipedia page shows him as born in PA, but
Searching around with internet detective and Intelius web site you
find
Ed Trice in Port Jefferson, NY
Ed Trice in Belle Terre, NY
Ed Trice in Syosset, NY
Ed Trice in Long Beach, NY
Ed Trice in North Wales, PA
Ed Trice in Jamison, PA
Ed Trice in Doylestown, PA
Ed Trice in Hatfield, PA
Ed Trice in Dover, DE
Ed Trice in Rehoboth Beach, DE
Ed Trice in District Heights, MD
Ed Trice in Salisbury, MD
Ed Trice is Denton, MD
4 of the addresses correspond to someone 70+ years in age.
3 of the addresses correspond to someone 50+ years in age.
6 of the addresses correspond to someone 40+ years in age.
The Hatfield address was for a 74 year old that died in August of
2004. I assume that is not the person.
The Delaware addresses are both for a 40 year old with middle initial
"A".
The USCF ID page that I saw in one of the posts shows that Edward A
Trice lives in Delaware.
So, this must be the person in question.
The posts on the Chess Ninja page blame someone from PA for making
posts. Again, looks like a case of people jumping to a possible
conclusion.
Next item.
Long long post on the blog about the Fischer match thing. Seems to be
from a few years back. Seems some company asked for money and did
nothing to make the match happen.
Only way to resolve it - can people who contacted Fischer prove it?
What would they be willing to stake to back up their claims? Seems a
simple way. Do a 3 way call with the Iceland folks. Mitchell, Trice,
whoever else. Record it. Turn it into an MP3. Host it. That will
answer that.
As for the book deal and the 6 month scam for $6000.
Seems like a contract is needed. Email is not a contract. Also, saw
somewhere Labate said 'No thanks.' End of story. Declining a deal is
no way to claim 'foul' once you are out.
Did a whole Intelius search on Labate too. Seems he won some sort of
huge law suit from years back. Was a hell of a lot more than $30,000.
Had an extra zero on it. Don't have all the detail, don't care for
them. I saw the scan of the docket.
So what's the docket number for the thing with Trice? No docket means
no case and all the rest is just a bunch of hot air.
V. Rosen
On 31 May, 12:32, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Things are really heating up and it is going to be interesting as Ed
> Labate and Ed Trice threaten each other.
>
> I do not know either of them so I have no opinion as to who is right,
> but Ed Labate has been involved in chess both as a book seller and as
> a tournament organizer for at least 40 years whereas Ed Trice is a
> recently arrived huxter, so I am inclined to believe that Ed Labate is
> right and Ed Trice is a fraud.
>
> On the other hand, Ed Labate filed a frivolous lawsuit against the
> USCF around 25 years ago for refusing to list his tournaments in the
> TLA section of Chess Life and was paid a settlement of $30,000. Ed
> Trice gets favorable mention for revealing that Rob "The Robber"
> Mitchell was trying to scam him for $35,000. Ed Trice has received a
> lot of favorable publicity on the Polgar websites.
>
> Read the following websites and formulate your own opinion:
>
> The Gothic Chess Federation
> re: Ed Labatehttp://www.gothicchess.com/labate.html
>
> Labate Chess
> re: Ed Tricehttp://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html
>
> Dear Ed Trice may be in a lot of trouble.
>
> As "My 61 Memorable Games" by Bobby Fischer goes from a mystery to a
> hoax ...
>
> US Chess Federation
> My 61 Memorable Games: A Mystery
> by GM Larry Evans
> February 1, 2008http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8175/431
>
> US Chess Federation
> My 61 Memorable Games: A Hoax
> by GM Larry Evans
> April 10, 2008http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8333/446
>
> Blame is casted and scapegoats are sought (including a criminal
> complaint with the FBI) ...
>
> Chess Ninja
> Daily Dirt
> Fischer Bookhttp://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/2007/12/fischer_book_for_real.htm
>
> Fischer's My 61 Memorable Games
> Google Groupshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess.politics/browse_thread...
>
> Positions are declared, reputations are staked and a 10-count libel
> lawsuit is filed ...
>
> The Gothic Chess Forum
> re: Ed Labate
jon.ds...@gmail.com
called "that buffoon Ed Trice" to distinguish him from any other Ed
Trices) definitely lives in Radnor, Pennsylvania.
The whois server for gothicchess.com:
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=gothicchess.com&prog_id=godaddy
lists his address as 309 Tory Turn, Radnor.
Funnily enough, this is also the address of the Colgan family. Brian
Colgan is one of the few people who actually exist in the Gothic Chess
Federation apart from that buffoon Ed Trice himself, though Colgan is
certainly not involved with Gothic Chess full time.
Since that buffoon Ed Trice went bankrupt and lost his house in 2004:
http://tinyurl.com/49rkog
The most likely explanation is that Trice now lives in a bedsit at the
home of his friend, Brian Colgan.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bobby Fischer's "My 61 Memorable Games"
read all about it here: http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html
jon.ds...@gmail.com
> "A".
> The USCF ID page that I saw in one of the posts shows that Edward A
> Trice lives in Delaware.
> So, this must be the person in question.
>
> The posts on the Chess Ninja page blame someone from PA for making
> posts. Again, looks like a case of people jumping to a possible
> conclusion.
I didn't pick up on this when I first read your message, but when I
did a bit of digging around I discovered that there is a Delaware
county in Pennsylvania.
Moreover, and this is where it gets interesting, the IP address that
you posted your message from (76.117.82.204) can be traced back to
Aston, Pennsylvania.
(go to http://www.ip2location.com/, enter 76.117.82.204 in the "Live
Product Demo" and click on "Find Location).
Aston is, needless to say, in Delaware county.
Isn't that a weird coincidence?
victor...@gmail.com
Coincidence?
There is a Delaware County, New York
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_County,_New_York
Coincidence?
There is a Delaware County, Iowa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_County,_Iowa
Coincidence?
See anybody can play that game. Just add the word coincidence and
pretend you are making a point (which you weren't, by the way.)
And according to this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_County,_Pennsylvania
Delaware County, Pennsylvania has over 550,000 residents.
That's half a million in case you were wondering.
Rehoboth Beach in the state of Delaware is pretty damn far from
Delaware County Pennsylvania, New York, and Iowa.
What was your point by the way? That you don't know geography?
Trice lives in the state of Delaware according to the USCF, not
Delaware County, PA.
Since I'm a nighttime security guard and the company has subscriptions
to some of these online background check services, I did a little more
research on the address you listed. That same house was once owned by
a pro basketball player, Philadelphia 76er Hershey Hawkins. What
fargone conclusion will you draw from that I wonder?
Did some research on Brian Colgan. Guess what? He's in London, has
been in London over 6 months, and for most of 2007 also. So you're
saying Trice is living in the same house with Colgan's wife and kids
while he is away? Not very likely.
Did you know Trice renounced US citizenship in 2006 so he could pursue
the Fischer match and not go against US policy why a US citizen? He
had officially has sworn allegiance to the crown. Whether he is back
now as a US citizen is unknown. But what is certain is he rejected
dual citizenship.
Coincidence that Colgan is in London now? You tell me.
On 4 Jun, 13:17, jon.dsouza...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 06:05, victorrose...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Delaware addresses are both for a 40 year old with middle initial
> > "A".
> > The USCF ID page that I saw in one of the posts shows that Edward A
> > Trice lives in Delaware.
> > So, this must be the person in question.
>
> > The posts on the Chess Ninja page blame someone from PA for making
> > posts. Again, looks like a case of people jumping to a possible
> > conclusion.
>
> I didn't pick up on this when I first read your message, but when I
> did a bit of digging around I discovered that there is a Delaware
> county in Pennsylvania.
>
> Moreover, and this is where it gets interesting, the IP address that
> you posted your message from (76.117.82.204) can be traced back to
> Aston, Pennsylvania.
> (go tohttp://www.ip2location.com/, enter 76.117.82.204 in the "Live
Rook House
> 7 of the 18 posts here are from jon.dsouza.
>
> Coincidence?
I believe that is much more of a coincidence that you ("victorrose")
have only posted on here 7 times .... EVER. And ALL 7 posts were in
defense of the ONLY posting I've ever seen about "Ed Trice" on this
chess group.
Everyone on here knows who you are .... "victorrose".
And by the way ....... it's HERSEY Hawkins, not HERSHEY. You would
think that you would know the difference, being a Pennsylvania
resident and all.
victor...@gmail.com
I'm on nightshift.
Little research on "Rook House" = blind, factless supporter of Labate.
I support neither of the argumentative people in this internet flame
war.
I post here to demonstrate most of the "facts" shown here are wrong,
or incomplete at best.
My shift is over at 8 AM so have fun.
SBD
Make that VERY little research, ET.
David Richerby
> On Jun 4, 8:32=A0pm, victorrose...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 7 of the 18 posts here are from jon.dsouza.
>>
>> Coincidence?
>
> I believe that is much more of a coincidence that you ("victorrose")
> have only posted on here 7 times .... EVER. And ALL 7 posts were in
> defense of the ONLY posting I've ever seen about "Ed Trice" on this
> chess group.
Ed Trice has been mentioned a few times. He even posted here himself,
back in 2001 and earlier.
But, yeah, I'm always suspicious of these `people' who show up from
nowhere and post only on one subject.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Love Watch (TM): it's like a precision
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ chronometer that you can share with
someone special!
Rob
> On Jun 5, 6:59 am, victorrose...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Make that VERY little research, ET.
:-)
victor...@gmail.com
I did not 'just show up' someone sent me an unwanted email with the
link here enclosed. That person visited the Gothic Chess blog (http://
gothicchess.blogspot.com/) and got our emails from there I suppose.
I've been on that blog for months, and I don't quite appreciate the
spammer bothering me for this pointless circular debate.
Was good for a few laughs as I see how offbeat and way off base most
of you are. Just when I think working graveyard shift in my old age is
tough, I realize I don't have it nearly as bad as the pathetic people
wrapped up in this crap who actually believe they are championing a
cause.
It's all made up by Labate, isn't it obvious? It's got you all
visiting his site, don't it?
> David Richerby Love Watch (TM): it's like a precisionwww.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ chronometer that you can share with
> someone special!
Edward Labate
David,
I did not 'just show up' someone sent me an unwanted email with the
link here enclosed. That person visited the Gothic Chess blog (http://
gothicchess.blogspot.com/) and got our emails from there I suppose.
I've been on that blog for months, and I don't quite appreciate the
spammer bothering me for this pointless circular debate.
Was good for a few laughs as I see how offbeat and way off base most
of you are. Just when I think working graveyard shift in my old age is
tough, I realize I don't have it nearly as bad as the pathetic people
wrapped up in this crap who actually believe they are championing a
cause.
"It's all made up by Labate, isn't it obvious? It's got you all
visiting his site, don't it?"
VINTAGE TRICE ALIAS!! Somebody that has never posted on this site
decides to 'champion' Ed Trice's cause because he received an email
out of the blue, who just happens to be an innocent night watchman
with access to various computers, and numerous search abilities, and
now he's CIA material!
Ed Trice's numerous lies are believable without any supporting
documentation, but Edward Labate provides mountains of evidence,
links, emails, etc., and yet, he's made it all up, eh???
1] Trice actually stated on chessgames.com: "Ed Trice: Not only is
that old news, he is doing much better. Furthermore, his new book is
being printed right now. A new email address can reach the man in
direct contact with him regarding resellers who wish to order it. This
is for people who will order 100 or more copies of it at a time for
resale. If some of you want to "ask the man" anything, coming directly
from him himself, get on this list. Maybe if you order 10 books at a
discount and get 9 other people to do the same, one of you can collect
the order money and make a reseller purchase of 100 books. For all
serious inquires, send an email to GothicC...@aol.com and I will
help move this along. NOTE: All I did was hook Fischer up with a
reliable printer, I don't have the book, I don't have access to the
book, I just helped him out when everyone else turned their backs on
him."
2] Trice claims he has an AOL letter, which he doesn't post, yet AOL
doesn't issue letters without a subpoena from an ongoing litigation.
"As I am sure you can appreciate, AOL takes online privacy very
seriously. Please note that per the AOL Privacy Policy:
Your AOL Member information, including the contents of your private
online communications, may be accessed and disclosed in response to
legal process (for example, a court order, search warrant or
subpoena); in other circumstances in which AOL believes the AOL
Service is being used in the commission of a crime; when we have a
good faith belief that there is an emergency that poses a threat to
the safety of you or another person; or when necessary either to
protect the rights or property of AOL, or for us to render the service
you have requested.
Please review the AOL Privacy Policy and AOL Civil Subpoena Policy
site for additional information."
3] He asks Frank Camaratta if he's interested in going in on a
publishing venture:
4] He contacts Cathy Purdy from Bookmasters about publishing the
Fischer book.
5] He shows the manuscript to Dan Heisman.
6] He CC Bruce Towell on the same emails that I get regarding the
Fischer book, and he reports to Bruce that's he's going to Iceland for
a photoshoot in July or August.
7] He posts on chessgames.com that has evidence that Fischer was
involved with the book: "This is Ed Trice of Gothic Chess---- I
have alot of evidence which suggests that he was involved in this.
Posted by: James at December 20, 2007 08:17"
Ed Trice, you are one pathetic MOFO!!! Any luck on locating Donald
Trump's ATM card?????
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service
Announcement/PSA to all you know:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html RE: My 61 Memorable Games
Hoax
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html RE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice/
Gothic Chess
http://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.htmlm RE: Convicted Felon/
Pedophile, Robert Snyder
samsloan
Bobby Fischer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bobby_Fischer#No.2C_we_don.27t_need_Gothic_Chess_mentioned_here
Somebody (no doubt Ed Trice himself) keeps posting to the biography of
Bobby that Bobby agreed to play a match of Gothic Chess.
Of course, this is not true, a pure fabrication. Bobby would not even
agree to play a match of regular chess.
Sam Sloan
jon.ds...@gmail.com
bullshit.
In a message posted in 2006, he claims to have given up playing in
chess tournaments in 1989, when his rating "hit rock bottom at 2207":
http://usacheckers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=726&p=3892
Yet such things are simple to check - the USCF site gives a complete
tournament history of its members. For Edward A Trice we find:
http://main.uschess.org/assets/msa_joomla/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12495284
Many tournaments after 1989 and a peak rating of 1457.
I do not believe that stronger chess players are necessarily more
intelligent or better at non-chess playing activities than weaker
ones, but I have contempt for people who pretend to be far stronger
chess players than they actually are. I suppose we all tend to
exaggerate our playing ability slightly. If I'm discussing my playing
strength with non-chess players I will probably mention the fact that
I once beat someone who was the 13th strongest player in England at
the time and that I regularly play on top board for my county, whilst
neglecting to inform them of the time I stalemated a five year old in
a serious tournament game. However I think you'd agree that Trice's
statements go well beyond this.
David Richerby
> I do not believe that stronger chess players are necessarily more
> intelligent or better at non-chess playing activities than weaker
> ones
You won't fit in at all well here, then. ;-)
Dave.
--
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www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a man of the cloth but it'll eat
you and it wants to kill you!
David Richerby
> I did not 'just show up' someone sent me an unwanted email with the
> link here enclosed. That person visited the Gothic Chess blog
> suppose. I've been on that blog for months, and I don't quite
> appreciate the spammer bothering me for this pointless circular
> debate.
You don't appreciate it but you still come over here to stick your oar
in? That's an odd way of expressing your lack of appreciation. Me, I
just delete spam and other unwanted mail.
> Was good for a few laughs as I see how offbeat and way off base most
> of you are.
So you don't appreciate it and you think we're all `way off base' but
you *still* come here to stick your oar in? Curiouser and curiouser.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Incredible Poisonous Gnome (TM): it's
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a smiling garden ornament but
it'll kill you in seconds and blow
your mind!
Edward Labate
inability to logically discuss this forum, or any other forum gives
him away...again!!! In between his 'hourly' checks at his post, our
'night watchmen' is able to discern that Ed Trice, without one shred
of supporting documentation is telling the truth, and I'm making it
all up???? On what planet does this even remotely resembles common
sense, let alone follow a logical train of thought????
"You can't take anyone to court after you blab about it the way stuff
went on here."
Ed Trice, you can take anyone to court for any reason, and if it's
frivolous, the defendant has a countersuit available.
"Legal matters are private matters."
What a crock...you ever hear of PUBLIC RECORDS????
PUBLIC RECORDS allowed us to find out you lost your house:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=317580&page=3
PUBLIC RECORDS allowed us to find out you file bankruptcy in 2004:
http://tinyurl.com/49rkog
"Someone wronged you, you have to go through proper channels. The fact
that both people ranted about it on the web is grounds to dismiss
anything mentioned as evidence."
No Ed Trice, that's called 1st Amendment!! If it's false, as it is in
your case, it's LIBEL/DEFAMATION.
"Not "defending" anyone, just correcting the errors I see on here
while I'm on nightshift."
BUT THEN, our 'NIGHT WATCHMAN' blurts out, "It's all made up by
Labate, isn't it obvious?" The only thing that's obvious is a too
often repeated comment by Ed Trice is now echoed by our beloved 'NIGHT
WATCHMAN'!
FOLKS, there aren't two people this stupid on our planet. I REPEAT:
VINTAGE TRICE ALIAS!! Somebody that has never posted on this site
decides to 'champion' Ed Trice's cause because he received an email
out of the blue, who just happens to be an innocent night watchman
with access to various computers, and numerous search abilities, and
now he's CIA material!
Ed Trice...how's that youtube.com 405 Bench Press coming along?????
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service
Announcement/PSA to all you know:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html RE: My 61 Memorable Games
SCAM
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html RE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed
Trice
RookHouse
Another "blanket" statement without any actual facts. This is how
Trice operates on all of his postings. He's too stupid to even change
his tactics when trying to get away with posting under an alias.
>
> "I support neither of the argumentative people in this internet flame
> war. "
And yet you still attack Labate and anyone that acknowledges the facts
that he has presented, AND you defend Trice (i.e. yourself). Another
contradiction of your blind, reckless statements.
Edward Labate
16. victorrose...@gmail.com WROTE
"Legal matters are private matters."
What a crock...you ever hear of PUBLIC RECORDS????
PUBLIC RECORDS allowed us to find Ed Trice lost his house in 2003:
PUBLIC RECORDS allowed us to find out Ed Trice filed for bankruptcy in
2004: PUBLIC RECORDS allowed us to find out Ed Trice lost another case
in 2007 for $25,000.00:
http://tinyurl.com/49rkog
There's only one Ed Trice, and dozens and dozens of his aliases!
I REPEAT: VINTAGE TRICE ALIAS!! Somebody that has never posted on
this site decides to 'champion' Ed Trice's cause because he received
an email
out of the blue, who just happens to be an innocent night watchman
with access to various computers, and numerous search abilities, and
now he's CIA material!
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service
David Richerby
> What a crock...you ever hear of PUBLIC RECORDS????
Those capital letters and multiple question marks really make you look
like a rational human being I'd like to have a conversation with.
Dave.
--
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www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a cat but it wants to hurt you
and it'll hurt your eyes!
Mike Murray
<dav...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>Edward Labate <labat...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> What a crock...you ever hear of PUBLIC RECORDS????
>Those capital letters and multiple question marks really make you look
>like a rational human being I'd like to have a conversation with.
>Dave.
I've had phone conversations and e-mail discussions with Ed when I
ordered from his ebay storefront. He's quite rational.
RookHouse
wrote:
>
> Those capital letters and multiple question marks really make you look
> like a rational human being I'd like to have a conversation with.
>
> Dave.
>
Those sarcastic remarks and constant jabs at everyone's grammar and
punctuation make you look like an annoying pain in the ass.
jon.ds...@gmail.com
>
> There's only one Ed Trice, and dozens and dozens of his aliases!
> I REPEAT: VINTAGE TRICE ALIAS!! Somebody that has never posted on
> this site decides to 'champion' Ed Trice's cause because he received
> an email out of the blue, who just happens to be an innocent night watchman
> with access to various computers, and numerous search abilities, and
> now he's CIA material!
>
My favourite Ed Trice alias was John Cartaphilus. Not content with
being #1 in the rating list of Gothic Chess players, Trice invented a
character called John Cartaphilus and became #2 as well! Of course
Trice (as GothicInventor) always saw off the young pretender in the
games that he manufactured between them.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070703013800/http://www.gothicchesslive.com/players-games.php
(This particular rating list was from the time after Trice pretended
that Fischer visited the Gothic Chess site and played a few games as
"umbra" - I'm not making this up!)
John Cartaphilus started off talking just like Trice:
http://tinyurl.com/58zx32
(he is MorphyFischer in this thread that he started back in 2005).
Some quotes from this thread:
"The Gothic Chess Federation now has just under 20,000 paying members,
about 1/3rd the size of the entire United States Chess Federation.
This
is a chess variant that is "stand alone" and does not play regular"
"I am only a 1500 player in chess, and have never won prize money in a
USCF tournament. In Gothic Chess, I have taken home $1000 twice, and
$2500 once, out of the 9 events I have played in so far."
"About 45,000 Gothic Chess sets have been sold to some 55 countries."
"It is too late for the elders to decide the matter. Every year, a
tournament is held where the winner gets a free college education. The
young are flocking to the game, and that is the key ingredient for
success. If only the subset of lionized Grandmasters embraced the
game,
it would die."
"I wish you could have read the Gothic Chess Review magazine from
September 2004 which reported on the College Scholarship Tournament. A
complete accounting of this tournament is made each year, so that
those
whose tuition is not paid out at once can follow the escrow holdings.
2700 players paid an average of about $150 to play in the event in
2004. Do the math. $400,000 dollars in, maybe $120,000 out = $280,000
profit for a 5-day tournament. "
"Most of the tournaments are posted in the magazine we recieve, Gothic
Chess Review. At one point in time, they were posted on the web as
well, but that was discontinued and I am not sure when.
Here are some of the events from the old web page. I am not sure how
this copy/paste will look:
Event Location Participants
Foxwoods Open Mashantucket, CT 205
Northern Blitz Hull, Quebec 137
Philaldelphia Collegiate I Philadelphia, PA 65
Chesterfield Blitz Chesterfield, MO 163
Vermont Open Stratton Mountain, VT 185
Tornado Blitz Hattiesburg, MS 88
Jacob's Ladder Social Joshua Tree, CA 310
Tax Break Open Stratton Mountain, VT 83
Pioneer Action Open Norman, OK 73
Autoclub Special Warren, Michigan 115
Philly Collegiate II Philadelphia, PA 81
JMU Club Open Harrisonburg, VA 245
San Diego Open San Diego, CA 439
Austin Quarterfinals Austin, TX 188
Waukesha Memorial Hales Corners, WI 36
Rock County Blitz Janesville, WI 41
Southern States Scholastic Alexandria, VA 152
George Mason Hammers Open George Mason U 67
Kings Island Blitz 1 Kings Island, MO 61
U of T Open Knoxville, TN 155
JMU/Mason Team Tag Harrisonburg, VA 311
JMU summer Warmup cancelled 35
Tempe Time Crunch Tempe, AZ 45
Gothic Moguls of Blitz Loveland, CO 51
Charleston CC Intro to Gothic Charleston, SC 32
Valentine's Gothic Open Macon, GA 61
Titusville Social Titusville, FL 145
Trabuco Canyon Chancellor's Run Trabuco Canyon, CA 98
St Pats Party and Gothic Galore Quincy, MA 285
Blarney Stone Open New York, NY 113
Lucky Blitz Open Phoenix, AZ 69
Gothic Shots & Games Hicksville, NY 205
One More Go Boston, MA 110
Tampa Leprechaon Blitz Tampa Bay, FL 101
Tax Break Open Stratton Mountain, VT 70
New York Spring Open Poughkeepsie, NY 166
U of T Action Gothic 1 Knoxville, TN 214
High School Regionals Kansas City, MO 1280
"Minny" Open Minneapolis, MN 204
Southern States Regionals Atlanta, GA 516
Philadelphia Blitz Open Philadelphia, PA 64
Queen City Open Manchester, NH 55
Hawkeye Cornfest 1 Coralville, IA 49
Orlando Gothic Blitz Orlando, FL 238
NYC Championship New York, NY 316
San Diego Amateur Open San Diego, CA 199
Capital Open Harrisburg, PA 59
Arizona Championship Tempe, AZ 133
Colorado Springs Blitz Colorado Springs, CO 61
Iron Man Open Baltimore, MD 114
Foxwoods Open Mashantucket, CT 168
Raleigh Team Invitational Raleigh, NC 124
Titusville Pool Cleaning Titusville, FL 98
U of T Action Gothic 2 Knoxville, TN 173
Summer Breeze Blitz Chicago, IL 89
Let It Ride Mashantucket, CT 115
Chicago Fire & Rescue Open Chicago, IL 144
Southern Cal Blitz National City, CA 208
Berkeley Knights of Gothic Berkeley, CA 358
Joslyn Park Spectacular Santa Monica, CA 85
Charleston Novice Gothic Charleston, SC 44
Der Kancellor Munich, Germany 219
College Tuition Tournament Kansas City, MO 2974
Hawkeye Cornfest 2 Coralville, IA 63
Land of Lincoln Open Springfield, IL 94
Bucs Blitz & Beer Tampa Bay, FL 92
Jacob's Ladder Blitz Joshua Tree, CA 245
Queen City Action Manchester, NH 65
U of T Action Gothic 3 Knoxville, TN 266
San Diego Professional Core San Diego, CA 136
Minneapolis Blitz Minneapolis, MN 155
Dog Days Of Summer Open New York, NY 208
Foxwoods Action & Blitz Mashantucket, CT 359
Southern Cal Team Blitz National City, CA 160
Charleston Classic Gothic Charleston, SC 72
Berkeley Days of Gothic Berkeley, CA 200
High School Regionals Baltimore, MD 54"
Cartaphilus later mutated into a foul mouth oaf who often picked
fights with everyone (including Trice):
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_Chess_Forum/index.php?showtopic=350
Alas, in early 2008 John Cartaphilus had outlived his usefulness and
Trice killed him off in a tragic automobile accident:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_Chess_Forum/index.php?showtopic=393
I couldn't help thinking of the tale of Lieutenant Kijé when I read of
his sad demise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Kije
J.D. Walker
Mr. Rookhouse,
Welcome to what Mr. Parr fondly calls our Tinytown, a veritable S&M
Coney Island of the Mind. There are enough "pains in the ass" here to
make it a proctologist's paradise. It can be quite difficult to behave
as a normal, civil, everyday, human being here. Most of us get sucked
into the schoolyard name-calling at one time or another.
Still, I salute those that make the effort to cool down when necessary
and respond with courtesy, wit and informed comments.
--
"Do that which is right..."
Rev. J.D. Walker
samsloan
"solved" the game of checkers.
However, the official website only lists Ed Trice as one of many and
under "database verification" which I suppose means that he played
some games against the computer.
http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~chinook/thankyou/
Sam Sloan
RookHouse
>
> Mr. Rookhouse,
>
> Welcome to what Mr. Parr fondly calls our Tinytown, a veritable S&M
> Coney Island of the Mind. There are enough "pains in the ass" here to
> make it a proctologist's paradise. It can be quite difficult to behave
> as a normal, civil, everyday, human being here. Most of us get sucked
> into the schoolyard name-calling at one time or another.
>
Rev. Walker,
I am not new to this group, as I have been posting here for a few
years now. But, you are quite correct in addressing my
unprofessionalism and I apologize for the profanity. Mr. Richardby
and I have gone back and forth a few times over the course of the last
year and I get quite annoyed at his occassional arrogant remarks,
especially when they contribute nothing to the conversation at hand.
I will certainly attempt to temper my responses in the future.
Best Regards,
Rook House
J.D. Walker
Mr. Rook House,
No apology is necessary. I have had some less than stellar moments here
myself. I did not mean to single you out, but I suppose that is how it
came across. My remarks were more intended for the general newsgroup
audience of rgcp etc. Sometimes I delude myself into thinking I can
make a small, but positive, difference. :)
Rob
He also claims to have sold property on Mars to Tom Cruise and Katie
Holmes.
Wonder what happens when they find out they are being used to promote
this venture?
www.legallyownlandonmars.com
Edward Labate
"From: GothicC...@aol.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:23:24 -0400
Subject: 3rd request
To:
CC:
I'll save you a great deal of effort.
I rescinded my US Citizenship in July of 2006 when the Fischer-Kaprov
match took shape and we accumulated over $20 million in pledged
European airing contracts should the event take place. I did so under
advice of my attorneys at Hodgson Russ LLC, who said any moneys I
receive as a US citizen could be in jeopardy otherwise.
It was a recalcitrant process to swear allegiance to the Crown, which
took a tremendous amount of effort to overcome the coddling request to
maintain dual citizenship. I did so as a single citizen of England,
and England only. I managed to complete the ordeal in a record timely
fashion. I own property in the West End of London, I've been 'on the
books' as a full time consultant and contractor there, and I am still,
in every respect, an English citizen with a British Passport currently
on American soil.
I have not, as of yet, re-patriated myself.
So make all the noise you want, I'm not motivated in any way to
respond.
Subsequent contact will be forwarded to the local police and I will
file complaints of Misdemeanor Harassment. You have been warned."
Oh really??
"-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:14 PM
To: Edward Labate
Subject: Re: "I am still, in every respect, an English citizen with a
British Passport currently on American soil."
Hi Edward,
This is another laughable lie from Trice. It takes years to become a
British citizen (I have never even heard of the term "English citizen"
before).
Take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_citizenship#Acquisition_of_British_citizenship
If Trice married a British woman he could become a British citizen
after three years IF HE LIVED IN BRITAIN!
If Trice was not married to a British woman he would need to live in
Britain for five years.
These figures are a minimum requirement, it generally takes a great
deal longer and one thing they are very keen on is that the person is
working for a British company, has skills that are needed and intends
to live and work in the UK.
And of course, how could Trice get by this: "All applicants for
naturalisation must be of "good character". I guess being a terminal
liar makes you something of a 'character'?!
It is laughable that Trice thinks he could renounce his American
citizenship and become British just like that.
Speak to you soon."
The relevent portion:
"British citizenship by naturalisation:
The requirements for naturalisation as a British citizen depend on
whether one is married to a British citizen or not.
For those married to a British citizen the applicant must:
hold indefinite leave to remain in the UK (or an "equivalent (for this
purpose) such as Right of Abode, Irish citizenship, or permanent
residency as a citizen of an EU/EEA)
have lived legally in the UK for three years
show sufficient knowledge of life in the UK, either by passing the
Life in the United Kingdom test or by attending combined English
language and citizenship classes. Proof of this must be supplied with
one's application for naturalisation. Exemption from this and the
language requirement (see below) is normally granted for those aged 65
or over, and may be granted to those aged between 60 and 65
meet specified English, Welsh or Scottish Gaelic language competence
standards. Those who pass the Life in the UK test are deemed to meet
English language requirements
For those not married to a British citizen the requirements are:
five years legal residence in the UK
indefinite leave to remain or "equivalent" for this purpose (see
above) must have been held for 12 months
the applicant must intend to continue to live in the UK or work
overseas for the UK government or a British corporation or
association
the same language and knowledge of life in the UK standards apply as
for those married to British citizens
All applicants for naturalisation must be of "good character".
Naturalisation is at the discretion of the relevant authority but is
normally granted if the requirements are met.
Those applying for British citizenship in the Channel Islands and Isle
of Man (where the application is mainly based on residence in the
Crown Dependencies rather than the UK itself) do not have to sit the
Life in the UK Test under policies in effect as of August 2006. In due
course, it is expected that Regulations will be introduced to that
effect in the Channel Islands and Isle of Man. The provisions for
proving knowledge of English, Welsh or Scottish Gaelic remain
unchanged until that date for applicants in the Crown Dependencies. In
the rare cases where an applicant is able to apply for naturalisation
from outside the United Kingdom, a paper based version of the Life in
the UK Test may be available at a British diplomatic mission. Details
(pdf)"
Best Wishes!
Edward Labate
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service
Announcement/PSA to all you know:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html RE: My 61 Memorable Games
Hoax
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html RE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice/
Gothic Chess
victor...@gmail.com
I also play on the Gothic-Chess.com game server. Someone sent an email
to everyone on the Gothic Chess blog with a link back to this page.
For whatever reason. I came here because one of you baiters asked me
and the rest of the Gothic Chess people here. I only posted because
all of you Labate supporters are out of your minds. Ed Labate is
mentally retarded. I've played Ed Trice many times. I've watched Ed
Trice play Cartaphilus and I watched both of them yell at each other
on the web, back and forth, for half a hour sometimes. Other people
played Ed while Cartaphilus was online also playing during the many
online tournaments that were run. You guys just say nonsense and
expect everyone to believe it.
Well, you're all wrong!
victor...@gmail.com
more statements and you actually believe people trust you? You can't
even imagine there is someone who actually is not Ed Trice that posts
here against you, can you? Because you are so arrogant and so full of
yourself. I went to your wesbite and saw that someone filed an eBay
complaint against you, the first one, and you went berzerk. You lost
your marbles. You had a screw loose. You cracked. So either you are
right and always right or everyone else is against you and everyone
else is wrong. That's what I call 1 fucked up person.
> Does Ed Trice every complete a paragraph without LYING?
>
> Take a look at this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_citizenship#Acquisition_of_British_ci...
> Hoaxhttp://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.htmlRE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice/
> Gothic Chesshttp://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.htmlmRE: Convicted Felon/
> Pedophile, Robert Snyder
Edward Labate
Ok Mr. Labate where is your ironclad proof?"
It could only be Ed Trice who would view mountains and mountains of
substantiating evidence and ask such a MORONIC question.
"I've played Ed Trice many times."
Yes, I actually believe you...it doesn't surprise me that Ed Trice
plays with himself regularly!
"You can't even imagine there is someone who actually is not Ed Trice
that posts here against you, can you?"
Correct, at least not without half a brain! You haven't refuted
anything I've posted. You've resorted to typical Triceism...name
calling and denial, never, ever solid refutation!!
"I am a night watchman."
"My shift is over at 8 AM so have fun."
You're working overtime today...since you've already admitted you do
all you posting up until 8am?? Again, you forgot an earlier lie,
while presenting new fabrication…Vintage Trice: Bad Memory!!
"someone filed an eBay complaint against you"
Only Ed Trice would see the posting on my website, ignore all the
correspondence between Paypal, and myself, ignore the simply little
fact, that the PAYPAL claim was denied and that PAYPAL returned the $$
to me, and only Ed Trice would overlook the simple little fact the
German Ed Trice, Olaf Wolna, retaliated by leaving 5 negatives and 6
neutrals because he couldn't keep the $$$ and the books. Cracked??
Nope, it's called exposing SCAMMERS and FRAUDS...in Germany, it's Olaf
Wolna...here in the US, we have Ed Trice!!
How come Ed Trice/Gothic Chess isn't on ebay?? Sales are sales,
arent' they? Ed Trice wouldn't last six months on ebay. Scammers get
exposed very quickly, and get tossed. Ed Trice knows his scams
wouldn't work on ebay!!
Ed Trice...how about posting an image of your British Passport on your
website...as well as some of the documents you must obviously have in
your possession from the US Government granting your request to give
up US citizenship. You post an ebay auction, but won’t post
supporting documentation of renouncing US citizenship, and your new
British Passport, along with supporting documentation.
Additionally, if you were a English Citizen in 2006, how do you lose a
court case in 2007, costing you $25,000.00.
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwNTQ2Njk1JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl
I guess allegience to the crown didn't save your 'English'
wallet??
And here's another email I received while typing up this response:
-----Original Message-----
From: ####
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:20 PM
To: Edward Labate
Subject: Re: FW: "I am still, in every respect, an English citizen
with a British Passport currently on American soil."
I agree with you completely. Trice makes everyone hate him no matter
where he goes online. He is the *only* person kicked off of
chessvariants.org. He was also kicked off of brainking.com (well, OK,
he's still allowed to play games there as long as he shuts up). He
made everyone at wikipedia.org editing the same articles hate him. He
was a terror to the online checkers community in the 1990s (I remember
some checkers ladder being stopped because of Trice's harassing
lawsuit threats). He made a fool of himself and more than one enemey
over at redhotpawn.com.
I have never seen him acknowledge the truth; and I have never seen him
apologize.
He's dead meat now. He wasn't able to censor your page telling the
truth about him with threats the way he was able to over at
chessvariants.org. People can now know what he is about and who he
really is.
- ###"
Yes Ed Trice, everyone knows this is you. No one as dark and as evil
as you could possibly have friends, let alone supporters if they fully
knew your history.
FOLKS, there aren't two people this evil, this stupid and this slimely
in the chess world.
I REPEAT: VINTAGE TRICE ALIAS!! Somebody that has never posted on
this site, who know admits only posting on GothicChess, decides to
'champion' Ed Trice's cause because he received an email out of the
blue, who just happens to be an innocent night watchman (who leaves
work @ 8am, but decides to stay later today), with access to various
computers, and numerous search abilities, and now he's CIA material!
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service
Announcement/PSA to all you know:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html RE: My 61 Memorable Games
SCAM
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html RE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed
Trice
http://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.htmlm RE: Convicted Felon/
Pedophile, Robert Snyder
Best Wishes,
Edward Labate
victor...@gmail.com
County? Or it is Delaware state?
And I have today and tomorrow off to celebrate my 40th Wedding
Anniversary.
Or do you believe that while most weddings that happen in June somehow
excludes me?
I just log on to get a great laugh out loud. Your lives are so
pathetic that this actually matters to you.
Mr. Labate, you are insane. That is my opinion.
My name is Victor Rosen, I turn 63 on July 1, and I approved this
message.
> court case in 2007, costing you $25,000.00.http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwNTQ2Njk1...
> Announcement/PSA to all you know:http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.htmlRE: My 61 Memorable Games
> SCAMhttp://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.htmlRE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed
> Tricehttp://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.htmlmRE: Convicted Felon/
Rob
Can you provide us with that email that linked back to this? I don't
know how you would get someones info off of a "blog". Also, if they
got your information off of the discussion group they would have to be
a member of that group and we could try to figure out who it was that
sent the email. Would you please post the email here?
jon.ds...@gmail.com
is when it was on BrainKing.com. Unfortunately when Ed Trice was
allowed to be the moderator of the Gothic Chess message board be ended
up banning 43 people! Gothic Chess was eventually removed from the
site altogether.
Trice liked to invent fictitious characters even then. Here is his
impression of a school girl called "ScarletRose":
http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=34&u=2925
"I expected to see a man who was all business like wearing dark rimmed
glasses and having a pencil stuck behind his ear.. But, you seem far
from that.. You actually are a nice looking man there Trice.."
Creepy stuff. I think I prefer him as a 63 year old night watchman.
samsloan
> The only time Gothic Chess was played by more than a handful of people
> is when it was on BrainKing.com. Unfortunately when Ed Trice was
> allowed to be the moderator of the Gothic Chess message board be ended
> up banning 43 people! Gothic Chess was eventually removed from the
> site altogether.
>
> Trice liked to invent fictitious characters even then. Here is his
> impression of a school girl called "ScarletRose":http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=34&u=2925
>
> "I expected to see a man who was all business like wearing dark rimmed
> glasses and having a pencil stuck behind his ear.. But, you seem far
> from that.. You actually are a nice looking man there Trice.."
>
> Creepy stuff. I think I prefer him as a 63 year old night watchman.
It is obvious that both "Victor Rose" and "Scarlet Rose" (father-
daughter?) are fake personalities created by Ed Trice, especially
since she often writes about how "intelligent" he is.
Here is one quote from a posting by "Scarlet Rose":
"I do not mean to say Ed wasn’t tempted to come down to everyone
else’s level.. Cause he is only human.. And he did at times.. That is
when I started chatting more with him.. Seeing his side of the playing
field.. And I learned that I was one lucky gal to have pushed the
feelings aside that were openly stated throughout the site and
actually get to know who is he rather than cast judgment on him for
his type written words.. I am glad to call him a great friend. I have
learned he has a wonderful sense of humor, is very intelligent and
very real."
Edward Labate
mailed Ed Trice/Gothic Chess the following 'Demand For Retraction',
ALFRED T. NEWELL, IV
ATTORNEY AT LAW
P. O. Box 101432
BIRMINGHAM, AL 35210-6432
PHONE (205) 956-8281
FAX (205) 951-2855
NOTICE OF DEMAND FOR RETRACTION
TO: ED TRICE
GOTHIC CHESS ASSOCIATION
1735 MARKET STREET SUITE A-456
PHILADELPHIA, PA 19103
DEAR ED TRICE:
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE THAT THE UNDERSIGNED REPRESENTS EDWARD LABATE.
ON THE 1st DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2008 THROUGH THE 7TH DAY OF
MAY, 2008 YOU PUBLISHED FALSE AND DEFAMATORY REMARKS BY PUBLISHING
ARTICLES, LETTERS, EMAILS, OR MATTER, COPIES OF WHICH ARE ATTACHED
HERETO REGARDING EDWARD LABATE;
1] IN THAT YOU SAID “Ed Labate = "Helgi" from "My 61 Memorable Games”,
NOW ESTABLISHED AS A BOOK PUBLISHING HOAX;
2] ALSO ACCUSED EDWARD LABATE OF SELLING A FRAUDULENT BOBBY FISCHER
AUTOGRAPHED BOOK, MY 60 MEMORABLE GAMES;
3] ALSO ACCUSED EDWARD LABATE OF BEING THE PERPATRATOR OF THE ‘My 61
Memorable Games’ HOAX TO THE POINT OF ACTUALLY PRINTING A VERY LARGE
QUANTITY OF SAID BOOKS AND THEN SHIPPING THEM TO EUROPE;
4] ALSO ACCUSED EDWARD LABATE OF POSTING FRAUDLENT CORRESPONDENCE WITH
YOU ON HIS WEBSITE;
5] ALSO STATED YOU ARE IN POSSESSION OF "...an AOL representative's
letter stating they were spoofed, fabricated entirely by Labate."
6] ALSO ACCUSED EDWARD LABATE OF FABRICATING AND 'DOCTORING'
CORRESPONDENCE FROM OTHER CONTACTS;
7] ALSO ACCUSED EDWARD LABATE OF FABRICATING EMAILS WITH CATHY PURDY
OF BOOKMASTERS, YOUR CONTACT PERSON WHEN YOU YOURSELF INQUIRED ABOUT
PRINTING ‘My 61 Memorable Games’ IN THE SUMMER OF 2007.
8] ALSO ACCUSED EDWARD LABATE OF FABRICATING YOUR ATTEMPTS TO PROCURE
INVESTORS FOR YOUR UNATHORIZED PRINTING OF ‘My 61 Memorable Games’,
INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO FRANK CAMARATTA, BRUCE TOWELL, ETC.
9] ALSO STATED YOU SUCCESSFULLY HAD THE LIMESTONE COUNTY SHERIFF VISIT
EDWARD LABATE ON OR ABOUT JAN. 17, 2008, AT HIS 'RESIDENCE' WHEREIN HE
HAD NOT RESIDED SINCE JUNE 2007;
10] ALSO YOU POSTED ON CHESSGAMES.COM;
"Labate, you're the liar who fabricated EVERYTHING on that
page. And since you don't know what "per se defamation" is, you've
been invited to Philadelphia to learn all about it.
You claim the sheriff never visited your house, yet why then,
did you remove the slander from your eBay auction one day later? I
called and spoke with "Pat" (who answers their phone) many times. I
called the local police on you because HARASSMENT is the first item
that needs filing before civil proceedings commence. And the local
police told me it was a Limestone County issue, since the mudhole you
live in does not dispatch officers to your location. That's already on
the ledger, first thing's first.
I've already have had an arbitration board convene to assess
damages at $1000 per day for each day you have that b.s. on your page.
I've asked you to remove it, you've refused (God knows what you have
to gain by it) so now each day from the first day of contact will be
money in my pocket. I've already negotiated 50 cents on the dollar to
a firm that buys civil judgments. Let's see where you'll move to next,
since you have gone bankrupt in California."
SAID REMARKS, ARTICLES, LETTERS OR EMAILS WERE PUBLISHED TO THE
GENERAL PUBLIC AND STILL REMAIN POSTED TO THIS DAY UNDER your name of
Ed Trice, as well as your numerous aliases, including but not limited
to, 'James', 'Mark', 'Paul Mugno', 'Blood of Bulls', 'ChessV'; 'Alan
McCormick', 'GothicChessInventor'; 'AverageWoodpusher';
to numerous websites but not limited to; chessgames.com;
chessninja.com; NY Times Daily Blog; ChessVibes.com; uschess.org;
redhotpawn.com, polgarchess.com; GothicChess.com; etc.;
to NUMEROUS CONTACTS BUT NOT LIMITED TO, FRANK CAMARATTA, House of
Staunton; DAN HEISMAN, Chess Master, Teacher, and Chess Columnist;
CATHY PURDY, Printer/Bookmasters; Ed Hall, US Chess Executive
Director, etc.
PURSUANT TO CODE OF ALABAMA, 1975, 6-5-186, I HEREBY DEMAND THAT YOU
PUBLISH A FULL AND FAIR RETRACTION OF SUCH ACCUSATIONS IN AN EQUALLY
PUBLIC AND PROMINENT PLACE AND MANNER WITHIN FIVE (5) DAYS OF YOUR
RECEIPT OF THIS LETTER.
DATED THIS 7TH DAY OF MAY, 2008.
SINCERELY YOURS,
_______________________________________
ALFRED T. NEWELL, IV
ATTORNEY AT LAW
which was received and signed for on May 12, 2008. Instead of Ed
Trice retracting all his lies, he continues to provide more counts for
my lawsuit.
Therefore, we have no choice and are proceeding with a Multi-Million
Lawsuit against Ed Trice for libel/defamation. As anyone who has been
involved in a lawsuit know, the first thing each side files are
discoveries and requests for depositions. This is where the 'fun' now
starts. Everything you say in these are considered 'under oath' and
false statement are criminal acts, punishable by fines and jail time.
For example Ed Trice claims that I had 'My 61 Memorable Games'
printed. Our very first question will be for Ed Trice to provide
proof of this statement. Now let's see whose story changes, and whose
story remains the same!!
Additionally, anyone receiving this notice and publishes Ed Trice's
lies, will also be held accountable. I am sick and tired of these
last six months having to deal with this scumbag Trice, who can't seem
to read a damn thing presented to him. I have never, ever dealt with
such a low life in my 53 years. And yes, some of you will be getting
letters as to your communication with Ed Trice. I'm sorry, but I
didn't bring this on, Ed Trice did.
I will admit it, I have only one goal:
To destroy Ed Trice for lying about me, and for taking advantage of a
dying Bobby Fischer!! Bobby Fischer is on his deathbed, and Ed Trice
is claiming he's got Fischer's permission to reprint My 61 Memorable
Games. FOLKS: Is there a lower LOWLIFE in the chess community than
Ed Trice???
Edward Labate
May 23, 2008
Rob
Do you have evidence he was served? Looks as if you may become the
owner of the Gothic Chess patent. Any plans for it?
Edward Labate
"Looks as if you may become the owner of the Gothic Chess patent. Any
plans for it?"
Yeah...put it up on ebay with an opening bid of 1 cent, and a buy-it-
now of 2 cents... and hope I don't get sued for overstating it's
value!!!
Best Wishes,
Edward Labate
jon.ds...@gmail.com
The problem is Trice doesn't own the patent any more, he lost it by
not paying the maintenance fees which were due three years after he
was first awarded the patent:
http://www.latepatents.net/6481716.htm
I believe Trice is stony broke. If he had any money he wouldn't be
trying to rip off a complete stranger for $6000. The risk involved was
enormous and he could still end up going to prison for it (fingers
crossed).
Jon D'Souza-Eva
Read http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html for the full sordid
story of "My 61 Memorable Games"
Rob
> story of "My 61 Memorable Games"
Can the patent be claimed by someone else if the fees are paid?
Rob
> On Jun 17, 4:13 pm, jon.dsouza...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 9:35 pm, Edward Labate <labatech...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > Rob <robmt...@gmail.com> write:
>
> > > "Looks as if you may become the owner of the Gothic Chess patent. Any
> > > plans for it?"
>
> > > Yeah...put it up on ebay with an opening bid of 1 cent, and a buy-it-
> > > now of 2 cents... and hope I don't get sued for overstating it's
> > > value!!!
>
> > > Best Wishes,
> > > Edward Labate
>
> > The problem is Trice doesn't own the patent any more, he lost it by
> > not paying the maintenance fees which were due three years after he
> > was first awarded the patent:http://www.latepatents.net/6481716.htm
>
> > I believe Trice is stony broke. If he had any money he wouldn't be
> > trying to rip off a complete stranger for $6000. The risk involved was
> > enormous and he could still end up going to prison for it (fingers
> > crossed).
>
> > Jon D'Souza-Eva
> > story of "My 61 Memorable Games"
>
> Can the patent be claimed by someone else if the fees are paid?
If the patent truely has expired... the it's open for exploitation:
http://www.inc.com/articles/2000/03/18174.html
Patent expired. After the patent expires, the patent owner has no
further rights, although infringement suits can still be brought for
any infringement that occurred during the patent's in-force period as
long as the suit is filed within the time required by law. An expired
patent remains a valid "prior-art reference" forever.
parrt...@cs.com
I have always been a friend of Ed Labate, and I
don't know Ed Trice, who may be an okay guy who got
in over his head with the purported Fischer volume or
a louse who either acted malevolently or thought he
would make some easy money. If he is a sociopath --
and I do NOT make this charge -- then he would be
incapable of conscience qualms.
Having followed the evidence as best I could and
GM Larry Evans' exposure of the hoax, my sense of
affairs is that Ed Labate's demand for a full retraction
is a generous offer indeed. Now, it may be that Mr.
Trice is judgment proof, lacking assets, and can't have
his shirt, pants and underwear stripped from him.
Mr. Trice knows the facts about his financial
position. If he actually possesses seisin and funds,
he would be crazy at this point -- based on my reading
of the evidence -- not to make the amende honorable
unequivocally. And then, one hopes, learn a big
lesson, both in terms of street smarts and moral
instruction, from this encounter with Mr. Labate.
I would remind Mr. Trice that even if he can avoid
making payments to Mr. Labate from a judgment,
it is a fact that an outstanding court judgment will
be an impediment to whatever career hopes he may
have for the rest of his life -- if Ed Labate decides to
pursue the matter implacably.
One hopes that this legal battle can be settled
fairly, if not amicably.
Yours, Larry Parr
Edward Labate wrote:
> On May 8th, I, Edward Labate, through my attorney Alfred T. Newell,
> mailed Ed Trice/Gothic Chess the following 'Demand For Retraction',
>
>
> ALFRED T. NEWELL, IV
> ATTORNEY AT LAW
> P. O. Box 101432
> BIRMINGHAM, AL 35210-6432
> PHONE (205) 956-8281
> FAX (205) 951-2855
>
> NOTICE OF DEMAND FOR RETRACTION
>
> TO: ED TRICE
> GOTHIC CHESS ASSOCIATION
> 1735 MARKET STREET SUITE A-456
> PHILADELPHIA, PA 19103
>
> DEAR ED TRICE:
>
> PLEASE TAKE NOTICE THAT THE UNDERSIGNED REPRESENTS EDWARD LABATE.
>
> ON THE 1st DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2008 THROUGH THE 7TH DAY OF
> MAY, 2008 YOU PUBLISHED FALSE AND DEFAMATORY REMARKS BY PUBLISHING
> ARTICLES, LETTERS, EMAILS, OR MATTER, COPIES OF WHICH ARE ATTACHED
> HERETO REGARDING EDWARD LABATE;
>
> 1] IN THAT YOU SAID ?Ed Labate = "Helgi" from "My 61 Memorable Games?,
> NOW ESTABLISHED AS A BOOK PUBLISHING HOAX;
>
> 2] ALSO ACCUSED EDWARD LABATE OF SELLING A FRAUDULENT BOBBY FISCHER
> AUTOGRAPHED BOOK, MY 60 MEMORABLE GAMES;
>
> 3] ALSO ACCUSED EDWARD LABATE OF BEING THE PERPATRATOR OF THE ?My 61
> Memorable Games? HOAX TO THE POINT OF ACTUALLY PRINTING A VERY LARGE
> QUANTITY OF SAID BOOKS AND THEN SHIPPING THEM TO EUROPE;
>
> 4] ALSO ACCUSED EDWARD LABATE OF POSTING FRAUDLENT CORRESPONDENCE WITH
> YOU ON HIS WEBSITE;
>
> 5] ALSO STATED YOU ARE IN POSSESSION OF "...an AOL representative's
> letter stating they were spoofed, fabricated entirely by Labate."
>
> 6] ALSO ACCUSED EDWARD LABATE OF FABRICATING AND 'DOCTORING'
> CORRESPONDENCE FROM OTHER CONTACTS;
>
> 7] ALSO ACCUSED EDWARD LABATE OF FABRICATING EMAILS WITH CATHY PURDY
> OF BOOKMASTERS, YOUR CONTACT PERSON WHEN YOU YOURSELF INQUIRED ABOUT
> PRINTING ?My 61 Memorable Games? IN THE SUMMER OF 2007.
>
> 8] ALSO ACCUSED EDWARD LABATE OF FABRICATING YOUR ATTEMPTS TO PROCURE
> INVESTORS FOR YOUR UNATHORIZED PRINTING OF ?My 61 Memorable Games?,
Nomen Nescio
Edward Labate <labat...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On May 8th, I, Edward Labate, through my attorney Alfred E. Neuman,
> mailed Ed Trice/Gothic Chess the following 'Demand For Retraction',
>
That your attorney shares his name with the icon of
MAD magazine is fitting.
> Is there a lower LOWLIFE in the chess community than
> Ed Trice???
Easy. Sam H. Sloan to name one.
> Edward Labate
>
> May 23, 2008
Fuck your legal threats, biotch.
samsloan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Trice
It is filled with claims that are almost certainly not true and almost
all of it was probably written by fake personalities created by Ed
Trice.
Sam Sloan
SBD
Very nice. Or perhaps sell it for a bit more, and make a fitting
memorium to Capa with the cash - whose idea was ripped off anyway.
SBD
I don't know, Sam, it doesn't look that inaccurate. Not that that
should be seen as support for Trice....
The Historian
Also, don't you find it amusing that Sam Sloan is questioning the
truthfulness of a statement? Isn't that like P Innes accusing someone
of arguing ad hom?
parrt...@cs.com
" This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups
Terms Of Use."
Rob
> NORMAN NESCIO'S PROFILE
>
> " This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups
> Terms Of Use."
>
>
>
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > Innews:bfb1fdd5-d061-4a19...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> > > On May 8th, I, Edward Labate, through my attorney Alfred E. Neuman,
> > > mailed Ed Trice/Gothic Chess the following 'Demand For Retraction',
>
> > > ALFRED E. NEUMAN, IV ATTORNEY AT LAW
>
> > That your attorney shares his name with the icon of
> > MAD magazine is fitting.
>
> > > Is there a lower LOWLIFE in the chess community than
> > > Ed Trice???
>
> > Easy. Sam H. Sloan to name one.
>
> > > Edward Labate
>
> > > May 23, 2008
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
If the patent for Gothic Chess has truely expired... perhaps it could
be marketed as "Fischer Chess" in honor of Bobby.
SBD
> If the patent for Gothic Chess has truely expired... perhaps it could
> be marketed as "Fischer Chess" in honor of Bobby.
Why? Capablanca invented the piece he ripped off. Fischer has his own
(questionable) variant. Or I see, you mean, market in terms of making
money, sad.
SBD
Norman?
samsloan
>
> If the patent for Gothic Chess has truely expired... perhaps it could
> be marketed as "Fischer Chess" in honor of Bobby.
That is ridiculous. Fischer had nothing, nothing, nothing to do with
Gothic Chess.
Are you a paid agent for Ed Trice?
Are you Ed Trice?
Did you try to scam Ed Trice for $35,000?
Sam Sloan
SBD
> Also, don't you find it amusing that Sam Sloan is questioning the
> truthfulness of a statement? Isn't that like P Innes accusing someone
> of arguing ad hom?
It would be amusing if both of them didn't regularly engage in truth-
challenged, ad hom posts.
Rob
> On Jun 18, 12:01 pm, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > If the patent for Gothic Chess has truely expired... perhaps it could
> > be marketed as "Fischer Chess" in honor of Bobby.
> That is ridiculous. Fischer had nothing, nothing, nothing to do with
> Gothic Chess.
True.
> Are you a paid agent for Ed Trice?
God NO! LOL Are you?
>
> Are you Ed Trice?
No! Are you?
>
> Did you try to scam Ed Trice for $35,000?
No. Did you?
>
> Sam Sloan
Chess One
"samsloan" <samh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Even after Sloan's volte face re Ed Trice, Sloan repeats Trice's libel
against Rob Mitchell which he read on a Trice site.
Sloan ignores that Trice wanted a movie, and that the money mentioned
[actually, not hardly enough] was to promote that movie, and that what he
quotes is from a draft agreement, not even the last draft, and which is BTW
in contradiction of a non-disclosure agreement.
Still, the Sloan is happy to libel Mitchell, because he needs to do that to
achieve any attention at all.
Trice may be 3 times and out. But Sloan is innumerably trite.
Phil Innes
Chess One
"SBD" <DrD...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Steven Dowd continues to be amused by those who are not amused by other than
cynical nihilism, or are normally noticed elsewhere for their contributions,
such as his own contributions to chess, whatever the topic.
Here he corresponds seriously with a serial abuser and stalker, as if he
didn't know that, as if he was careless of libel, not in just a legal sense,
but that was his habit - to in public fuck over people who genuinely want to
promote the game, and do not like this 'who says' rather than 'what is said'
commentary.
That is the like of those who uncritically have supported USCF, for their
minor frequently corrupt rewards in it, and whose advice has been as
disastrous as those others, like Hillery's and the official CJA line, in its
decline.
I apologize if I mixed up anyone's cynicism with anyone else's, since
certain people who don't even sign their posts are indistinguishable from
others of the same stripe.
Phil Innes
Rob
> "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
"Which-Mitch" ? lol
jkh...@aim.com
Chess One wrote:
>
>
> That is the like of those who uncritically have supported USCF, for their
> minor frequently corrupt rewards in it, and whose advice has been as
> disastrous as those others, like Hillery's and the official CJA line, in its
> decline.
> Phil Innes
The composer of this sentence is clearly challenged in the use of the
English language.
Aside from that, I was not aware that anyone had been following my
advice, nor have I heard of an "official CJA line." Care to enlighten
us as to what that is, Philsy?
Chess One
<jkh...@aim.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Chess One wrote:
>>
>>
>> That is the like of those who uncritically have supported USCF, for their
>> minor frequently corrupt rewards in it, and whose advice has been as
>> disastrous as those others, like Hillery's and the official CJA line, in
>> its
>> decline.
>
>> Phil Innes
>
>
> The composer of this sentence is clearly challenged in the use of the
> English language.
with which phrase is Vaguer Kingston having trouble?
last i heard from him, he thought Mexican Spanish was the same as
Castillian, and that south American Spanish the same as in Mexico - in
passing, he even denied the Andean's even had a native tongue
so, i wonder if he can say which phrase in the above para he can't
understand in English? though, naturally, since he doesn't understand the
pointlessness of making vague commentaries about other people's writing, he
will not suspect that the Sequoia might be in his own eye, and he cannot
parse 8th grade English.
> Aside from that, I was not aware that anyone had been following my
> advice, nor have I heard of an "official CJA line." Care to enlighten
> us as to what that is, Philsy?
in homo-bloke-talk? piss and tell? gawd! how Californian!
Our Taylor who throws away chess newsletters now wants to know what's in
em... <snort>
But I already told him about a forthcoming expose of CJA by one of its own
officers about the LA gang-of-3, taking in funny ballot practices, funny
financials, and very funny awards systems, all happily condoned, ignored and
celebrated by friends at USCF.
btw: nothing about the 2 Eds, which is the nominal topic here. S'far as I
can see, a certain pattern has emerged on that subject, and while not
contributing much in public to that subject myself, except to exculpate Rob
Mitchell's involvement as proposed by the Sloan, I do want to make one
observation:
I have strong up-front doubts about chess variants. I am never convinced
that those who propose them have exactly exhausted the possibilities of
classical chess, and rather wonder why they propose deviant forms of it. The
only straightforward response I have read is that the novelty is intended to
obviate opening book knowledge. Whether Ed Trice or Bobby Fischer proposes
the deviant version, I maintain my suspicions about their motives.
The implacable fact of the matter in my experience is that almost all chess
players do not even know the first 12 moves of even common openings
sufficient to identify departure from them. A secondary fact is that while
strong players know openings to often extraordinary depth, even innovating
in them, the more pertinent fact is that they are playing out positions to a
pattern rather than to a planned sequences - a similar distinction to that
of pattern recognition to rote move-orders.
The shame of this is for classical chess, that active game-players become
distracted by these novelties and deviations while still in Pilgrim-mode of
the game; leaving chess before arriving at the Site of their own Reward for
all that travel/travail in learning it - and then spend their active playing
years in some back-water place, even losing the ability to discuss playing
because their own variant form is typically no happy fit with the classical
one, even in terms of discussing it.
Variant forms of chess would seem to appeal to those who like tactics only,
or the sort of strategy that you discover on the fly while playing. This
/divertisement/ removes a certain depth from the game which otherwise exists
in classical forms - and remains as every player's promise of what they can
attempt, and also appreciate when they see virtuoso's of the game perform.
Phil Innes
The Historian
> But I already told him about a forthcoming expose of CJA by one of its own
> officers about the LA gang-of-3, taking in funny ballot practices, funny
> financials, and very funny awards systems, all happily condoned, ignored and
> celebrated by friends at USCF.
Ah, another whining screed from, well, you know, one of the few folks
in chess as nutty as you.
>
> The implacable fact of the matter in my experience is that almost all chess
> players do not even know the first 12 moves of even common openings
> sufficient to identify departure from them.
Since you were a USCF rated Expert, and are probably about B player
strength now, that presumably grants you understanding to speak for
"almost all chess players?"
Rob
>
> - Show quoted text -
Riddle:
How do you know Phil has posted on a topic?
Answer:
There are dozens of posts by Brennen.
Edward Labate
For our new viewers, Ed Trice's 3M enemies are his Mouth, his Memory &
his Morals, or lack of them:
Ed Trice's MOUTH never stops spewing BS;
Ed Trice's MEMORY is so poor, he forgets what he's already spewed;
Ed Trice's MORALS are the lowest/non-existent I've ever seen with
anyone I've had any dealings with...which is very impressive
considering the following 'snakes' I've already had to deal with in
the last 25 years: Dullea, Falkenstein, Licht, Luna, 'Oily Doily'
Doyle;
From: Edward Labate [mailto:labatech...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:09 PM
To: 'GothicChessI...@aol.com'
Subject: I can't keep track.... " I'm a U.S. citizen..." and "I am
still, in every respect, an English citizen ."
Another donation from the Ed Trice CRANIUM! ENJOY!!
“This is not a threat. This is an advance warning that your prior
posts on this matter ARE INCORRECT, and subsequent reverts will be
dealt with appropriately. I'm a U.S. citizen with legal rights to
protect my intellectual property.
GothicChessInventor 03:21, 27 October 2007 (UTC)"
NOTE THE DATE: Oct. 27, 2007, Trice is claiming he's a US citizen!!
Yet, in an email to warn somewhere 'not to bother' suing him;
“I rescinded my US Citizenship in July of 2006…”
and
“I am still, in every respect, an English citizen with a British
Passport currently on American soil.”
From:
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:22 PM
To: Edward Labate
Subject: RE: 27 October 2007 " I'm a U.S. citizen with legal rights
to
protect my intellectual property."
So he has either lied about being an "English citizen" or he is lying
about being a US citizen. Which is it I wonder? Is their a way to
contact the US patent office directly to see if the patent is
expired?
If it's public domain then it could be marketed as anything. SO long
as the "Gothic Chess" trademark isn't infringed upon. WHo would want
to call it that anyway? There is such a negative connocation
associated with "Gothic" that it's dead before it starts.
According to Trice, Donald Trump wanted to "buy" the patent from him
and he (Trice) refused a seven figure sum for it. Well "The Donald"
can now use the game and call it " Trump Chess" without having to pay
Trice one red cent if the the information about the patent lapsing is
true.
To: labatech...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: 27 October 2007 " I'm a U.S. citizen with legal rights to
protect my intellectual property."
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:13:31 -0500
From:
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:50 PM
To: Edward Labate
Subject: Re: any other contributors to this info
It's interesting to look at Trice's BS when confronted about losing
the Gothic Chess patent. Here, as "Chess historian":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gothic_chess/Archive_4#Patent_situa...
And a typical Trice lawsuit threat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ed_Trice&oldid=1675563...
Patent.2C_Last_Warning_About_Incorrect_Citation
The Patent, Last Warning About Incorrect Citation:
For those who don't know, the maintenance fee is only $75. Of course
it was paid. It was paid by my attorney while I was in Iceland trying
to get Bobby Fischer to play Karpov in the $15,000,000 Gothic Chess
match. I've explained this now to at least 5 people who called on the
telephone.
Apparently the USPTO isn't very sophisticated. If they dont't have a
check signed by Edward Trice, they have no way to know which patent
to
apply it to. They have too much info to check "by hand" and their OCR
package has no way to figure out which attorney is assigned to which
patent. It's a big mess and the USPTO screws up over 10,000 of these
things every year.
Since this is a legal matter, I suggest you all "lay off" this. While
Wikipedia has the "no legal threats" item, that doesn't mean I can't
go
after anybody who wilfully diseminates INCORRECT information after I
explicitly tell you: I'VE GOT THE PATENT FEES PAID and I don't care
who you cite online.
Consider this ground zero: no harm, no foul, you didn't know before I
made this post.
Change it again, and you will be personally liable for what happens
next. There is no judge on the planet who will rule against me
because of a Wikiepdia policy.
This is not a threat. This is an advance warning that your prior
posts
on this matter ARE INCORRECT, and subsequent reverts will be dealt
with appropriately. I'm a U.S. citizen with legal rights to protect
my
intellectual property.
GothicChessInventor 03:21, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
From an ETFC member:
From:
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:45 PM
To: Edward Labate
Subject: The game was invented by D. Pietro Carrera 400 years ago.
FYI - I looked into this when I heard the patent had expired. From
what I read, no one else can claim an expired patent - it is now
public domain. The only window for the patent to be reinstated is
for
Trice to convince the US Patent Office that he was unable to pay the
maintenance fees on time because of extreme circumstances (like being
in a hospital in a coma.) And, even if the patent was reinstated in
that case, it still would not prevent anyone from profiting who had
made an investment in that area during the time that the patent was
expired. And, if Trice can't convince them to renew it because of
extreme circumstances, Gothic Chess is forever public domain. No one
else can "buy" it. (Although, the fact that the game being public
domain doesn't mean that there isn't some chance that the name is
copyrighted - that's another issue.) But none of this matters. The
game was invented by D. Pietro Carrera 400 years ago. The patent
covers something that was clearly prior art and wasn't worth shit to
begin with. Although I haven't looked deeply into this "latepatents"
web site, I did look into what happens when a patent expires months
ago when I found out that Trice's patent expired, and from what I
read, you can't just buy them. I assume that "latepatents" is just
another off-shore rip-off hoping to take money from people who don't
know any better. I would ask an intellectual property attorney at
work, but it's not even worth it. The patent was never enforcable to
begin with, and I believe it is now forever expired, so it is doubly
worthless.
P.S. Feel free to forward this message to the club.
Greg
Chess One
"The Historian" <neil.the...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 19, 7:28 am, "Chess One" <OneCh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> But I already told him about a forthcoming expose of CJA by one of its
>> own
>> officers about the LA gang-of-3, taking in funny ballot practices, funny
>> financials, and very funny awards systems, all happily condoned, ignored
>> and
>> celebrated by friends at USCF.
>
> Ah, another whining screed from, well, you know, one of the few folks
> in chess as nutty as you.
Brennen, you numbskull, why do you write anything here at all? Surely there
is a newsgroup for people who only hate others and abuse them, lying and
demeaning them? Isn't that you to a 't'? Anyone capable of your level of
insensibility to almost any subject whatever, is almost beyond belief.
As a numbskull, you are already famous for your understanding of things! You
can even trivialise gross corruption, as above, and call it 'whining'. No
wonder CL wants you! What a sad suck-up that rag is.
I can't believe that anyone can be //really//concerned about the FSS when
you still post hate-speech openly. No matter what the topic, that's what you
get.
PI
jkh...@aim.com
> Phil Innes
Phil, how long is it going take to get it through your pointy little
head that Taylor Kingston and I are not the same person? We've never
even met.
As for the CJA, I assume you are referring to another deranged rant by
a disgraced former officer. He was voted out by the members last year.
You could have voted for him if you were a member. Which you're not.
And you still haven't answered the questions: who is it that is
supposed to be taking my advice, and what is the mysterious "official
CJA line" you claim to have discovered?
Finally, a grammar lesson: Apparently they didn't teach subject/verb
agreement or subordinate clauses when you were being trained at the
pound. To what does "in its decline" refer? The USCF? The CJA? The
"minor frequently corrupt rewards"? The clause apparently takes as a
subject "those others" (we can take "the advice of" as understood),
but ""Hillery's (advice)" and "the official CJA line" are not things
of the same kind and cannot be compounded (at least if you want to
make sense). The problem, Phil, quite aside from your dubious ideas,
is that your a turgid and incompetent writer, and seem supinely
unaware of the fact. Try reading "The Elements of Style" a few dozen
times.
Mike Murray
>Phil, how long is it going take to get it through your pointy little
>head that Taylor Kingston and I are not the same person? We've never
>even met.
Phil doesn't care about sigs and headers -- he uses stylistic
identification. All that correct grammar, conventional formatting and
proper spelling give it away. You must be Taylor Kingston. You've
been unmasked. Denial is useless. Resistance is futile.
...
>The problem, Phil, quite aside from your dubious ideas,
>is that your a turgid and incompetent writer, and seem supinely
>unaware of the fact. Try reading "The Elements of Style" a few dozen
>times.
Prioritize. First, a spell-checker.
The Historian
No, first a good anti-psychotic.
Chess One
<jkh...@aim.com> wrote in message
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>> But I already told him about a forthcoming expose of CJA by one of its
>> own
>> officers about the LA gang-of-3, taking in funny ballot practices, funny
>> financials, and very funny awards systems, all happily condoned, ignored
>> and
>> celebrated by friends at USCF.
>>
>> Phil Innes
>
> Phil, how long is it going take to get it through your pointy little
> head that Taylor Kingston and I are not the same person? We've never
> even met.
As long as you don't sign your posts, and ignore usenet posting protocol?
Alternatively, until you stop sounding the same, and one of your actually
addresses a topic?
> As for the CJA, I assume you are referring to another deranged rant by
> a disgraced former officer.
You see? No comment on the issue, only the person reporting the issue. But
we will certainly invite CJA to respond to /the issues/, and anyone there
capable of doing that will be welcome.
> He was voted out by the members last year.
> You could have voted for him if you were a member. Which you're not.
Was last year the one with ballot problem? Or the fact that he was voted own
a comment on the issues he raised?
After [lol] receiving CJA's correspondence for almost a year, and not
publishing anything about the internal scandal - I challenged both sides to
ONLY copy me more if they could state what anything had to do with benefits
to actual chess players?
This stumped everyone, pro and con - except for one soul who wrote in to say
CJA has never influenced anything.
> And you still haven't answered the questions: who is it that is
> supposed to be taking my advice, and what is the mysterious "official
> CJA line" you claim to have discovered?
That is for the article - or rather articles, I believe 3 are scheduled,
maybe 4.
> Finally, a grammar lesson: Apparently they didn't teach subject/verb
> agreement or subordinate clauses when you were being trained at the
> pound. To what does "in its decline" refer? The USCF? The CJA?
That itself would be dependent on the sentence which contained the words,
plus no doubt surrounding clauses which would provide context.
Certainly USCF is in decline, but has CJA ever achieved anything [other than
its own applause] from which to shrink?
> The
> "minor frequently corrupt rewards"?
You have stumbled over a need for a hypen, as in "frequently-corrupt", or
you wish a comma between adjectives, as in "minor, frequent..."?
> The clause apparently takes as a
> subject "those others" (we can take "the advice of" as understood),
> but ""Hillery's (advice)" and "the official CJA line" are not things
> of the same kind and cannot be compounded (at least if you want to
> make sense).
Since you seem ready to refute what I say, while simultaneously ask what it
is, as if indeed you did not know of the accusations at CJA raised by its
own officer, then I think the best thing to do is to decide if you want to
address the issues when published, or pretend they are incomprehensible to
you, and their writer nutz!
Of course, you already pre-empted the issue by declaring both already, as
well as myself who raises the subject of their publication. But, Dear John,
not being able to understand people is a too-common [in two senses of
common] resort of scoundrels, no?
> The problem, Phil, quite aside from your dubious ideas,
> is that your a turgid and incompetent writer, and seem supinely
> unaware of the fact. Try reading "The Elements of Style" a few dozen
> times.
And there is gratuitous advice from a proxy-defender of CJA, who discusses
not at all any issue, except to offer gratuitous and spurious advice to
others, while offering the very generous smear to the reporting journalist
that he is 'deranged' and 'disgraced' in the stead of addressing any issue
whatever.
Now, there are some good people at CJA, especially its webmaster, and there
are some villains too - the issues to be raised, I repeat, are ballot
irregularity in elections, absent financials, and absent responses to
requests for financials, apparent evasion of Californian laws in that
respect, curious fees paid some officers, and what can only be described as
an idiosyncratic awards system - and all reported by an insider.
Phil Innes
jkh...@aim.com
Sorry, those of us who use standard English and proper spelling and
grammar often sound alike. If you can't read headers, you're probably
too dumb to be allowed access to a computer.
> You see? No comment on the issue, only the person reporting the issue. But
> we will certainly invite CJA to respond to /the issues/, and anyone there
> capable of doing that will be welcome.
What issue ? So far you've offered only tabloid-style insinuations.
You've implied that you have another crazy rant from Dillinger,
insinuated that it raises "issues," refused to say what they are, and
demanded that someone respond to them. You're a real a piece of work,
Phil. Well, a piece of something, anyway.
> Was last year the one with ballot problem? Or the fact that he was voted own
> a comment on the issues he raised?
Was this supposed to be in English? Interpreting it as best I can: The
CJA members had ample iopportunity to hear both sides. They decided to
reject Dillinger's claims by about a wide margin. Case closed.
> After [lol] receiving CJA's correspondence for almost a year, and not
> publishing anything about the internal scandal - I challenged both sides to
> ONLY copy me more if they could state what anything had to do with benefits
> to actual chess players?
No one except Dillinger sent you any "CJA correspondence." To the rest
of us, you're an irrelevance. As for "benefits" -- no one is compelled
to join. If they pay the dues, presumably they believe there is some
benefit. If you don't, don't join. Please. We'll contain our sense of
loss.
> And there is gratuitous advice from a proxy-defender of CJA, who discusses
> not at all any issue, except to offer gratuitous and spurious advice to
> others, while offering the very generous smear to the reporting journalist
> that he is 'deranged' and 'disgraced' in the stead of addressing any issue
> whatever.
Dillinger is not a reporting journalist. He is a disgruntled former
officer pursuing an assortment of personal vendettas. If you want to
take him seriously, fine. The rest of us will continue to regard him
as a joke.
> Now, there are some good people at CJA, especially its webmaster, and there
> are some villains too - the issues to be raised, I repeat, are ballot
> irregularity in elections, absent financials, and absent responses to
> requests for financials, apparent evasion of Californian laws in that
> respect, curious fees paid some officers, and what can only be described as
> an idiosyncratic awards system - and all reported by an insider.
You've finally come up with something at least slightly specific,
though you're just parroting Dillinger (pun intentional), and have
made no attempt to verify his claims. (Nothing like journalistic
integrity. Certainly nothing like it in your work.) The simple answer
to your (and Dillinger's) attack is that all these charges were made
to the members, in excruciating detail, prior to the last election.
(Well, not the ballot nonsense. He invented that one later.) The
members, who _own_ the organization, rejected them all. Now, If you
and your new pet want to argue that the members are conspiring against
themselves, you go right ahead. Lunacy is always welcome at rgcp.
And, returning to the original point, you have yet to answer the
questions: who is it that is
supposed to be taking my advice, and what is the mysterious "official
CJA line" you claim to have discovered? Spitting and hissing won't
work, Phil. Answer the questions.
jkh...@aim.com
BTW, if anyone is interested in researching the facts (an alien
concept to Phil Innes, but there are some sensible people here), back
issues of _The Chess Journalist_ are available in PDF format at
http://www.chessjournalism.org/journal.htm.
Chess One
<jkh...@aim.com> wrote in message
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>> You've finally come up with something at least slightly specific,
>> though you're just parroting Dillinger (pun intentional), and have
>> made no attempt to verify his claims. (Nothing like journalistic
>> integrity. Certainly nothing like it in your work.) The simple answer
>> to your (and Dillinger's) attack is that all these charges were made
>> to the members, in excruciating detail, prior to the last election.
>> (Well, not the ballot nonsense. He invented that one later.) The
>> members, who _own_ the organization, rejected them all. Now, If you
>> and your new pet want to argue that the members are conspiring against
>> themselves, you go right ahead. Lunacy is always welcome at rgcp.
The purported journalist but not a spokesperson for CJA, neverthless speaks
for them - typically by trashing whoever questions their activities - and
speaks for CJA in ADVANCE of actually reading the forthcoming articles.
<grin> Somewhat desperate measures?
In the above para John Hillery, who likes to mention names of others in a
derogatory fashion, forgets to sign his own <sigh> while suggesting the
issues were 'rejected', nevertheless does not actually contest if any of
them are untrue, certainly not by citing any independent investigator's
view.
To confound the issue, John Hillery then says they were not rejected 'in the
ballot sense'. :))
He then concludes that it is other people who lack sense, indeed they
practice 'lunacy'. He further suggests that ballot issues are some sort of
invention.
A least the forthcoming articles will actually be about content, not
personalities, or who raised issues - and if as John Hillery says, they are
'rejected' by members, then shall we assume that this rejection does not
mean the circumstances do not exist or that they are untrue?
At least, after publication, everyone can look at the issues for themselves,
and CJA can reply to the //issues// if they wish - rather than who raises
them, or in fact, suggesting that the membership 'rejected' the issues -
whatever that term means in CJA-ese.
>> And, returning to the original point, you have yet to answer the
>> questions: who is it that is
>> supposed to be taking my advice, and what is the mysterious "official
>> CJA line" you claim to have discovered?
The official CJA line seems to be to deploy non-spokespeople to deny what is
not yet in the public view without allowing the chess public a chance to see
for themselves.
If John Hillery thinks that CJA and its relationship with USCF [including
having a CJA officer currently on the USCF board] is above all suspicion, I
think he rather misjudges the times! The board majority, I would say, are
suffering a rather widespread lack of confidence, and seem to be making
extreme decisions with very broad input.
> Spitting and hissing won't
>> work, Phil. Answer the questions.
In advance of allowing the public to even read the articles, the author of
'Phil the Fool' suggests /I/ am 'spitting and hissing'. He already shot CJA
colleague Dillinger [pun intended] in advance of his testimony.
>
> BTW, if anyone is interested in researching the facts (an alien
> concept to Phil Innes, but there are some sensible people here), back
> issues of _The Chess Journalist_ are available in PDF format at
> http://www.chessjournalism.org/journal.htm.
Yes, I am sure people will find that interesting, but probably more so AFTER
that read the indictments. Then if anyone wants to speak openly about the
issue, instead of Hillery's idea of being a non-official representative
<grin>, then they are welcome to do so, and maybe make up their own minds? I
rather wonder if that sort of journalism is a know-form at CJA?
The fact that CJA is a 'private' group does not mean what is said about it
is not true. And as to it being none of anyone else's business, then who
said it was?
Personally I simply want to establish if the private group was of any
worth - and what the 'private' group's influence in the public non-profit
USCF is. /That/ is everyone's business.
Phil Innes
Chess One
<jkh...@aim.com> wrote in message
news:e5c6bb3c-019f-464d...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> You see? No comment on the issue, only the person reporting the issue.
>> But
>> we will certainly invite CJA to respond to /the issues/, and anyone there
>> capable of doing that will be welcome.
>
> What issue ?
The ones about to be published. doh! The ones you write about below, since
you reference a 'crazy rant'.
> So far you've offered only tabloid-style insinuations.
I said a CJA officer will write critically of some CJA practices, and CJA
will have opportunity to reply.
What John Hillery here does is nothing but call people names - a mudslinger
who /consistently/ addresses no issue, and as far as I can see, has only
written negatively of other people's character.
This clown accuses others of 'tabloid-style insinuations'.
> You've implied that you have another crazy rant from Dillinger,
John Hillery continues to talk in derogatory terms of Mr. Dillinger,
simultaneously denying any 'issues' exist to address, but swami-like knowing
what is not yet published is 'another crazy rant'.
> insinuated that it raises "issues," refused to say what they are, and
> demanded that someone respond to them. You're a real a piece of work,
> Phil. Well, a piece of something, anyway.
I am announcing that the issues will be published - and of course then
everyone will know what they are? What business is that of John Hillery?
Really - what is this to him? He can barely write a sentence without
trashing somebody, and has the gall to criticise their journalism. I am not
'demanding that someone' respond to issues. Where does Hillery get that
from?
When the issues are raised then not someone, but CJA, can officially respond
to their specifics.
>
>> Was last year the one with ballot problem? Or the fact that he was voted
>> own
>> a comment on the issues he raised?
>
> Was this supposed to be in English? Interpreting it as best I can: The
> CJA members had ample iopportunity to hear both sides. They decided to
> reject Dillinger's claims by about a wide margin. Case closed.
Not a direct answer to whether the issues were true. Sounds like decide to
do nothing, rather than case closed. But hey... I guess we'll all see when
CJA themselves respond to the issues if they did exist. Okay with you
Hillery?
>> After [lol] receiving CJA's correspondence for almost a year, and not
>> publishing anything about the internal scandal - I challenged both sides
>> to
>> ONLY copy me more if they could state what anything had to do with
>> benefits
>> to actual chess players?
>
> No one except Dillinger sent you any "CJA correspondence."
Untrue.
> To the rest
> of us, you're an irrelevance.
Laugh - matters of fact are 'an irrelevance'?
> As for "benefits" -- no one is compelled
> to join. If they pay the dues, presumably they believe there is some
> benefit. If you don't, don't join. Please. We'll contain our sense of
> loss.
I am not asking to join anything. I am writing about what CJA is, and what
worth it has. Pleaser keep your stupid and juvenile recommendations for
those impressed by that level of 'journalism'? Okay with Hillery?
Gawd- talk about not speaking straight! If Hillery's reporting on Dillinger
is as his on mine - then Hillery doesn't even understand the issue of what
is reported - nvermind being able to 'dismiss' it.
>> And there is gratuitous advice from a proxy-defender of CJA, who
>> discusses
>> not at all any issue, except to offer gratuitous and spurious advice to
>> others, while offering the very generous smear to the reporting
>> journalist
>> that he is 'deranged' and 'disgraced' in the stead of addressing any
>> issue
>> whatever.
>
> Dillinger is not a reporting journalist. He is a disgruntled former
> officer pursuing an assortment of personal vendettas. If you want to
> take him seriously, fine. The rest of us will continue to regard him
> as a joke.
I can already see who is disgruntled and who has personal vendettas!!! John
Hillery has written nothing but personal abuse.
I have also seen Dillinger's report, which is not personality based, but
issue based.
But I thank John Hillery for making what is no doubt an unintended
demonstration of, let us say, another orientation of journalism to that of
Dillinger.
Phil Innes
jkh...@aim.com
Phil, do have any notion of what an idiot you're making of yourself?
Do you care? You claim that, at some future date, you will publish an
article criticizing the CJA, you won't say what's in it since that's a
secret, and you challenge people to answer the charges. If you were a
serious journalist, this would be a joke. Since you're a joke of a
journalist ...
For the record, all those claims you quoted from Dillinger are
completely false. They were thoroughly aired and debunked during the
CJA election last year. You could easily have learned this if you had
bothered to research the facts -- but who needs facts when you can
make something up?
> > And, returning to the original point, you have yet to answer the
> > questions: who is it that is
> > supposed to be taking my advice, and what is the mysterious "official
> > CJA line" you claim to have discovered? Spitting and hissing won't
> > work, Phil. Answer the questions.
Well?
jkh...@aim.com
Oh yes, and I forgot to change the subject line to something more
accurate.
The Historian
> For the record, all those claims you quoted from Dillinger are
> completely false.
What a surprise. Remember his review of Squares, John? You were
ringside for that one.
The Historian
> Oh yes, and I forgot to change the subject line to something more
> accurate.
Speaking of what P Innes calls 'journalism', look at the howler that
appears in last week's "Alekhine's Rot" column:
"USCF announced last week that the flagship print chess magazine Chess
Life will become an optional purchase with USCF membership." When did
USCF make such an announcement?
BTW, the Chessville website has been 'redesigned' to appear even
uglier than before. Image matching content?
The Historian
We are still waiting for the Alekhine's Rot article P Innes has been
spamming about. Nothing is up on the Chessvile site yet.
Chess One
<jkh...@aim.com> wrote in message
news:ce03d5ad-bd02-4f79...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
After accusing John Hillery of being on personal, not addressing any issues,
but writing to suppress issues to do with CJA, he responds:-
> Phil, do have any notion of what an idiot you're making of yourself?
> Do you care? You claim that, at some future date, you will publish an
> article criticizing the CJA, you won't say what's in it since that's a
> secret, and you challenge people to answer the charges. If you were a
> serious journalist, this would be a joke. Since you're a joke of a
> journalist ...
> For the record, all those claims you quoted from Dillinger are
> completely false.
I, btw, have quoted nothing from Dillinger. I have named his topics, to be
published. John Hillery anticpates what he will say, and so writes a bit
loosely in public, out of nerves?
> They were thoroughly aired and debunked during the
> CJA election last year. You could easily have learned this if you had
> bothered to research the facts -- but who needs facts when you can
> make something up?
Indeed - what facts are presented here, when you can pre-empt issues without
mentioning them, except that from some process they were 'debunked?
Thanks once again to Honest John for building anticipation of what someone
will say, someone I do not personally edit, but since I encourage
conversations of what goes on, invite factual contributions thereto -
doesn't matter to me who says what. Matters to me as a mere reader if what
someone says is interesting on the basis of factual presentation.
Phil Innes
The Historian
> Thanks once again to Honest John for building anticipation of what someone
> will say, someone I do not personally edit,
I'm sure that someone is very happy you don't "personally edit" their
prose. That would be like having a dog 'personally edit' a fireplug.
Quadibloc
> > As for "benefits" -- no one is compelled
> > to join. If they pay the dues, presumably they believe there is some
> > benefit. If you don't, don't join. Please. We'll contain our sense of
> > loss.
>
> I am not asking to join anything. I am writing about what CJA is, and what
> worth it has. Pleaser keep your stupid and juvenile recommendations for
> those impressed by that level of 'journalism'? Okay with Hillery?
In another of your posts, you wrote:
> Personally I simply want to establish if the private group was of any
> worth - and what the 'private' group's influence in the public non-profit
> USCF is. /That/ is everyone's business.
People are certainly free to join a private chess club, even if it
competes with the USCF... and they're also free to join a group of
people who constantly make carping criticisms of the USCF (if CJA
stands for Chess Journalists' Association, that might be germane).
But that doesn't mean people don't have the right to question
criticisms of the USCF emanating from the CJA or its membership, or
that people don't have the right to debate whether the CJA is a
constructive influence on Chess in the United States or not.
Failure to anticipate, in time, that USCF membership and revenues were
going to decline is, of course, an error that is hard to avoid.
Reacting belatedly means that the organization may have to trim its
sails to a greater extent. How to do it, without the cutbacks being
the wrong ones, the ones most likely to make things much worse, needs
to be considered carefully. Unfortunately, situations like this almost
inevitably result in accusations of corruption or incompetence,
leading to a climate unsuited to careful thought and sober
consideration.
Going web-based with Chess Life is a big cutback that is potentially
very dangerous for the USCF if mishandled - and making Chess Life
freely available to everyone on the web, or restricting it to members
only, are *both* courses of action which have their dangers. The first
removes a big incentive to join the USCF, the second would make Chess
Life's content invisible to non-members once the print edition was
dropped or became prohibitively expensive, as is a _very_ likely
result if only a small fraction of members opt to retain print
subscriptions.
The *best of both worlds* result, of course, is that CL is members-
only on the Web, and:
- nearly all of the USCF's existing membership retains print
subscriptions to CL, and
- many new members flock to the USCF now that they have the
opportunity to join at a lower level of dues.
It has been claimed - and I think the claim is accurate - that more
people join the USCF for the magazine than join it to have the
opportunity to play in rated tournaments. It could be that some people
whose interest and ability in Chess are such as to give them an
interest in playing in rated tournaments are being kept away by the
cost of a USCF membership, and it could be that a less expensive
option to access the content of Chess Life would be attractive to
some, so that doesn't make the "best of both worlds" outcome
_impossible_.
I think it does make it less likely, though. Psychologically, the
choice between a print CL and cheaper web access is going to be a
difficult one for people; it may be irrational, but many people are
likely to view the choice as between one option of paying too much for
the same thing, and another of paying a lesser amount, but not
receiving real value for it. (The irrationality is, of course, in
giving a higher negative value to the absence of paper than the
positive value one gives to its presence, but people do that a lot
without even realizing it.)
And, of course, the issue of CL may not be the *only* difficult choice
the USCF is facing, or will be facing in the near future.
John Savard
Edward Labate
who always tells the truth has a very good explanation.”
My explanation Trice??? You can’t read…you’re an IDIOT.
Jon DSouzaEva is an Englishman with a BCF grading of 173, pretty close
to yours at the direction your rating’s taking, Mr. 1352!!
Look it up yourself.
http://grading.bcfservices.org.uk/getplayers.php?players=D%27Souza-Eva&inactive=1
List of players by name
Ref Name Sex Age Club(s) Category Grade Last Year Cat Rapid Last Year
264249K
D'Souza-Eva, Daniel M 8 Oxford High School A 27 15
110291G
D'Souza-Eva, Jon M Cowley C 173 173 E 158 158
2 Record(s) Found
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So ‘I’ wrote to Edward and should sign ‘Edward’??? So it should look
like this to make any sense???
“
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:08 PM
To: Edward Labate
Subject: Trice arrested!
Hi Edward,
I can't make head or tail of this one:
http://tinyurl.com/4u4ne9
It's definitely "our" Ed Trice. If I read it correctly, he was
arrested for harassment of some kind, appealed, and was found not
guilty.
Best wishes,
Edward”
Please note:
To: Edward
Hi Edward
Best Wishes, Edward!!
Nice work COLOMBO!! Yep, makes a lot sense Trice.
Here’s the original email that I simply copied and pasted, and removed
Jon’s name from the public posting:
“
From: Jon D'Souza-Eva [mailto:jon.ds...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:08 PM
To: Edward Labate
Subject: Trice arrested!
Hi Edward,
I can't make head or tail of this one:
http://tinyurl.com/4u4ne9
It's definitely "our" Ed Trice. If I read it correctly, he was
arrested for harassment of some kind, appealed, and was found not
guilty.
Best wishes,
Jon”
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No you moron, all I did was copy and paste an email Jon DSouzaEva sent
to me without commentary. Your inability to comprehend appears to be
worse than your inability to play chess, Mr. 1352!!
Regarding coming to your website to post, I’ve already seen you
embellish, edit and remove other posts…remember Greg Strong!!! You’d
have me confessing to poisoning Bobby Fischer if I ever came near your
post. I’ll just wait for the depositions, discoveries and your
witness stand performances. I’m a patience man, especially when the
payoff is your total demise!!
You and I both know along with Frank Camaratta, Dan Heisman, Bruce
Towell, Cathy Purdy and various others that you were the ASSHOLE
behind the ‘My 61 Memorable Games’ Scam.
Here you are, you know the whole truth and yet, you are astoundingly
relentless on your bull shit!! You are the lowest of lows, the
slimest life force I’ve ever had the misfortune of dealing with.
Don’t you have a lawsuit to answer?? And Trice, I won’t settle out of
court. I want to bury you once and for all…and a settlement will
allow you to return one day.
Edward Labate
P.S. NICE PICTURE Mr. GQ … ‘Can you say Discipline?’
From: GothicC...@aol.com [mailto:GothicC...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:23 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Labate Lies, He Is "JonDSouzaEva" on ChessGames.com
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_Chess_Forum/index.php?showtopic=434
Sorry to email this again to the 112 people on my email distribution
list about Ed Labate. But here he is online "forgetting" that he
logged in as "Ed Labate", and he signed his name "Jon".
OK Ed, let's hear your explanation. I'm sure someone who always tells
the truth has a very good explanation
Edward Labate
"It is the same issue that Labate used to claim I never met Fischer."
Who are all the people that were in attendance with your meeting with
Bobby Fischer? Names pal, we NEED names??
I'm very confident that Bobby Fischer would never have had a first
meeting alone with an obscure D player;
who had just lost his house in 2003,
filed for bankruptcy in 2004,
http://tinyurl.com/49rkog
and now shows up in Iceland saying he's got $15M dollars for a match
with Karpov.
Sure, Trice...where do I sign??? ...the big three - Buffet,
Trump....Trice?!?!?!
23 days... TIC TIC TIC
Edward Labate
attorney, David Affeld taught me long time ago to save everything!!
Here's what was removed off Trice's page ... please diseminate!!
Jul-13-08
Ed Trice:
Labate, You have never "served" me anything, you know it, I know it.
Nothing will happen in "22 days." From your posting you claimed to
have mailed something to 1735 Market Street, which is a Mailboxes Etc
in the basement of the Mellon Bank building. You can mail a letter to
Santa Clause there and he will sign for it.
If you had such a "strong case" you wouldn't need all of your internet
cronies to offer you their support.
And, every attorney always advises their clients NOT TO MENTION
ONGOING MATTERS, no matter what they happen to be.
I know you have no attorney, so keep blowing smoke up your own ass all
you want.
Jul-11-08
Edward Labate: <Jun-16-08 JonDSouzaEva: Mr Trice - is it true that you
are now a British citizen?>
And your answer is???????
22 days TIC TIC TIC
Jul-11-08
robmtchl: Noticed from your website that your phone number also
matches www.legallyownlandonmars.com
Are you a Martian land speculator now?
Jul-11-08
MageOfMaple: The mars land site is definitely Trice, you can see it in
the DNS registration:
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?d...
Jul-11-08
Edward Labate:
<Jul-08-08 Ed Trice: <JonDSouzaEva> You are Ed Labate. Why else are
you just a posting clone for him?>
I don't know...maybe because you threatened to 'hunt him down' in
November 2006. Most people don't take kindly to being threatened. I'm
sure Jon is the same way.
And Trice, you know damn well I only post as Edward Labate. Especially
since you've communicated with Jon since 2006, long before you ever
contacted me and tried to sell me your 'My 61 Memorable Games'
project.
I made the mistake once of using another name, and look at the grief
it caused. Therefore, for the last six months and for evermore, I only
post as Edward Labate.
Unlike you, I don't have to hide, or deny who I am, or have to invent
friends. If you strive to always do what's right, even if not 100%
successful all the time, you'll still do very well in the long run. A
lesson you still might learn, but I'm not a betting man!
Why you've chosen to take's life's slimely path is incomprehensible
especially since now, the authorities have caught on to you. Yes Ed,
legallyownlandonmars.com has been SHUT DOWN. It was a nice touch,
claiming the Governor of California was one of your clients.
EINSTEIN!!!
As I said in January, I don't envy you.
Jul-11-08
robmtchl: Edward,
Legallyownlandonars has not been shut down...yet.
Jul-11-08
ChicoChuck: I've been doing business with and have been a good friend
of Edward Labate for over twenty years, and I can assure all readers
that Mr. Labate is absolutely, positively NOT posting as JonDSouzaEva.
He only posts as Edward Labate.
Jul-11-08
MageOfMaple:
Legallyownlandonmars has been up and down recently... But the link to
Martian property owned by celebrities is a dead link. I wonder why.
MageOfMaple:
Trice admits being behind legallyownlandonmars.com but says that it is
obviously a "prototype" that you would have to be "stupid" to take
seriously. But there is an entire page explaining that there are no
international treaties preventing the sale of Martian property and
explaining how such a sale is possible. Strange thing to include on a
"prototype." Then there is also a section explaining that numerous
famous personalities have already made purchases – obviously a
misrepresentation if they don't really sell Martian real estate as
Trice now claims.
Trice also said "We sell the modules with REAL DATA to real estate
companies all over the USA." Who's we, I wonder? According to his
Linked-In page he works for "Four Incorporated." Um… Yeah. That's
the fictional company that employs the Fantastic Four in the Marvel
comic. But hey, I think that's awesome! I wonder if he'd introduce
me to the Invisible Woman? 'cause she's really hot. when she's
visible.
Jul-13-08
Ed Trice:
Legallyownlandonmars.com was a PROTYPE website designed to show how to
link NAVIGATION functions to a large database that could be pinged in
real time. If you click on the MAP link across the top:
http://www.legallyownlandonmars.com...
You can see this. Click on GO EAST and you would be at this page
http://www.legallyownlandonmars.com...
Click on BROWSE PROPERTIES AVAILABLE FROM HERE
and you would get this html page
http://www.legallyownlandonmars.com...
again, generated from "pinging" a real time transaction database.
The point: We picked the MOST OBVIOUS location with "fake data" yet
could still DEMONSTRATE functionality to real estate companies.
We sell the modules with REAL DATA to real estate companies all over
the USA.
Congratulations on finding this prototype website and being STUPID
enough to believe we were selling land on Mars. Maybe if you would
have clicked on the TERMINOLOGY link
http://www.legallyownlandonmars.com...
...you would have realized this.
Jul-13-08
Ed Trice:
And if there was any ever doubt, if you clicked on the MAP enough you
would find
http://www.legallyownlandonmars.com...
Jul-13-08
Ed Trice:
I see Mr. "Send me $30,000 so I can pay the $50,000 I owe Titus
Keiningham", also known as 'Rob Mitchell', has signed on.
So Rob, you really contacted Fischer and Karpov before I did, right?
Susan Polgar said you contacted her and had no idea how to reach
either of them.
Jul-13-08
Ed Trice:
Labate,
I know you have no attorney, so keep blowing smoke up your own ass all
you want.
Jul-13-08
Ed Trice:
P.S. The Gothic Chess Association vacated 1735 Market Street in 2002.
Prove otherwise.
I will enjoy your response to this!
Jul-13-08
Edward Labate:
<Ed Trice: I know you have no attorney...>
You're right Ed, just ignore everything, it's all a dream!!
Jul-13-08
Edward Labate:
Dear BANKRUPT BUFOON,
I know you weren't selling land on Mars since you didn't have
ownership. But when has ownership stopped you from running a scam.
And why would anyone with a knowledge of your history, click on the
Terminology link. Who cares about the details from a conman? We see
Trice running another scam, no need to look further.
And as Rook House has chronicled, here's an incomplete list of your
scams.
--He lied about raising 15 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic Chess
Match.
-- He claimed to write the world champion checkers program, but shows
no proof of this.
-- He claimed that Donald Trump wanted to buy the patent for "Gothic
Chess" from him, but he wouldn't sell (although he's declared
bankruptcy), even when being offered a 7 figure sum.
-- He tried to scam the entire chess world and completely disrespected
Bobby Fischer with his "My 61 Memorable Games" scam, as confirmed by
Cathy Purdy, Frank Camaratta, Bruce Towell, Dan Heisman and myself.
-- After getting caught red-handed (the evidence is overwhelming) with
his "My 61 Memorable Games" scam, you try to pin it on me, and that's
one of the two counts of my $21.2M lawsuit against you.
-- He created several aliases (Scarlet Rose, Victor Rose, etc.),
posted lies to chess newsgroups with them, and even after he was
busted, continues to lie and deny that they were him.
-- Claims he was never married to cover some other lie that he told,
but then turned around on another site and is quoted as saying "I was
there with my wife Ellie" when referring to a trip to Paris.
-- He claims to be a 2200 rated player, but facts show that he's a
mid-1300 player. He lies about that until he can't lie any more, THEN
claims that the "Ed Trice" on USCF's rating site is not even really
him, it's his cousin, yet has a link to the rating site on his own
Wiki page that clearly shows that he's lying. He's too stupid to even
be a good liar.
-- He claims one day to be a British citizen, but then the very next
day (when it's convenient for his argument) hides behind the fact that
he's a U.S. citizen and has rights. Talk about lying so much that YOU
don't even know what the truth is anymore.
-- He claims to have pictures AND video from all of his Gothic chess
events that support the ridiculous attendance numbers that he lied
about, yet he refuses to produce any of these.
-- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice
-- Makes trip to Iceland with Frank Camaratta, but never meets
Fischer. Supposedly goes to Iceland again by himself (with no
witnesses) and magically meets Fischer with nobody around to verify
this.
Who are all the people that were in attendance with your meeting with
Bobby Fischer? Names pal, we NEED names??
I'm very confident that Bobby Fischer would never have had a first
meeting alone with an obscure D player;
who had just lost his house in 2003,
filed for bankruptcy in 2004,
http://tinyurl.com/49rkog
and now shows up in Iceland in 2006 saying he's got $15M for a match
with Karpov. "Sure, Trice...where do I sign???"
And finally, still waiting for this answer:
<Jun-16-08 JonDSouzaEva: Mr Trice - is it true that you are now a
British citizen?>
And your answer is???????>
20 days TIC TIC TIC
Jul-13-08
ughaibu:
So, almost all my posts on these pages have been deleted. That's
pretty @#$%ing ridiculous.
Jul-14-08
Edward Labate:
You're a pathetic creature Trice. You have only one mode of defense,
DENIAL.
You never disprove things, you mock, you deny, you cuss, you get
vulgar, you get revolting (the brother-sister comment should have been
even beneath you, but I guess lower than a snake is more accurate than
I thought) you add more lies, but you never ever REFUTE with 3rd party
validations. And providing a link back to your own site is not a
refutation, but more lies in print.
<Ed Trice: Labate, You have never "served" me anything, you know it, I
know it.>
FALSE, we have signed return receipts, which is adequate for a
company. Check with your lawyer, the service is good...or don't you
have a lawyer yet?? As you already know, my attorney is Alfred T.
Newell IV in Birmingham, the leading libel/defamation attorney in the
state.
If you don't have an attorney yet, then for the time being, I guess
you would be your own attorney. In that case, you may contact him
directly:
Alfred T. Newell IV, Attorney at Law
PO Box 101432
Birmingham, AL 35210
(866) 579-4709
Now, on another note:
You contacted me last August offering me the chance to get in on your
'My 61 Memorable Games' scam.
"you know it, I know it."
Why you choose to pin it on me, is the #1 reason I will not settle out
of court with you. I want to read your discoveries and hear your
deposition in person. I am looking forward to my day in court against
you. You can beat your chest all you want here, but my day in court is
nearing!!
20 Days TIC TIC TIC
Jul-14-08
Edward Labate: <Ed Trice: I see...also known as 'Rob Mitchell', has
signed on.>
<From: GothicC...@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:23:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Non-Disclosure compliance: 3rd request
To: 'Rob Mitchell'
I'll save you a great deal of effort.
I rescinded my US Citizenship in July of 2006 when the Fischer-Kaprov
match took shape and we accumulated over $20 million in pledged
European airing contracts should the event take place. I did so under
advice of my attorneys at Hodgson Russ LLC, who said any moneys I
receive as a US citizen could be in jeopardy otherwise.
It was a recalcitrant process to swear allegiance to the Crown, which
took a tremendous amount of effort to overcome the coddling request to
maintain dual citizenship. I did so as a single citizen of England,
and England only. I managed to complete the ordeal in a record timely
fashion. I own property in the West End of London, I've been 'on the
books' as a full time consultant and contractor there, and I am still,
in every respect, an English citizen with a British Passport currently
on American soil.
I have not, as of yet, re-patriated myself.
So make all the noise you want, I'm not motivated in any way to
respond.>
Gee, shouldn't INS have been notified at the World Open?? Does Ed
Trice have a green card?? Is it possible that Ed Trice is an illegal
alien?? I mean, it's not a coincidence that his initials are 'ET', is
it????
Edward Labate
player tournaments, yet you can’t even show an organized event with
six boards in an organized tournament setting. Where are the clocks,
where are the scoresheets? Where are the rows and rows and rows of
tables, chairs and actual games in progress????
You’re in one of the picture, another one of your pictures has kids on
the floor playing a chess variant, and another picture is clearly a
skittles room where people are just playing it for fun. Here’s some
picture of how actual attended events look like, not imaginary:
http://www.boardlink.bz/Obj/B000309001/Images/AsianYouthInd0China.JPG
http://hwebbjr.typepad.com/openloops/DSCF0490_small.jpg
http://www.boardlink.bz/Obj/B000309001/Images/NR2005hallview.JPG
Additionally, where’s the schedule for 2008 tournaments??? When is
the NEXT gothic chess tournament???
“On Jul 16, 9:19 am, Ed Trice <Ed.Trice.2c3d...@chessbanter.comwrote:
Links to some tournaments that people say never happened
“The 2002 college scholarship event was just for 1 year's tuition. We
had 895 participants. Here’s a panoramic view of this event.”
http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/sn3.gif
“In 2003 we had 1640. Here’s a panoramic view of this event:”
http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/conor.gif
“In 2004, over 2000. Here’s a panoramic view of this event.”
http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/supernats.gif
In 2005 we offered 2 years' tuition, and it was a fiasco, with over
4000 registrations, maybe 60% of the registrations coming within 1
month of the event, and people showing up "at the door" even though
radio ads were mentioning the tournament was, in fact, closed. Here’s
a panoramic view of this event.”
http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/dave_bryan.gif
http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/ed_dave.gif
I suppose you will all claim they are CGI, especially
Labate, you're a lunatic. You are insane. There, save that. Ed Trice”
Yep, you showed me Ed Trice!! I’m the LOONEY!!
Rook House
wrote:
> Links to some tournaments that people say never happened
>
>
> http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/conor.gif
>
> http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/supernats.gif
>
> http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/dave_bryan.gif
>
> http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/ed_dave.gif
>
That's pathetic. Those pictures prove absolutely nothing. All I see
are a few people playing some off-hand games of Gothic chess at a REAL
chess tournament.
Where are the 4000+ people playing Gothic chess? Hell, where are the
20+ people playing Gothic chess? No tables, no chairs, no
proof .......... your supposed tournaments are about as classy as you
are.
Another example of a complete moron who is completely unable to
produce any facts to support his numerous lies.
Edward Labate
I was recently copied on an email that Ed Trice sent to the USCF in
which he said that he had won a slander/libel lawsuit against you and
that you received a "hard blow" by the justice system.
Is this true?!? And if so, can you give me the dates and case number
please?
Thank you in advance,
Best Wishes!
Edward Labate
labat...@sbcglobal.net
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service
Announcement/PSA to all you know:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html
RE: My 61 Memorable Games SCAM…'PHILLY PHRAUD' Ed Trice scamming a
dying Bobby Fischer
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html
RE: ‘Most Hated Man In Chess’, Ed Trice scamming a dying Bobby Fischer
http://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.html
RE: Convicted Felon/Pedophile, Robert Snyder