"12.07.2009 – Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows that there are cases where hype tips over into something far more reprehensible. It is time for a reality check."
This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments.
"Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back cover of A World Champion’s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul Truong (New York, 2005):
"There is much more. The front and back covers also describe ‘Grandmaster Susan Polgar’ as ‘Four-time Women’s World Chess Champion’, ‘2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist’, ‘a living legend’ and ‘a four-time Women’s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess player in the United States’. Once the reader’s toes have uncurled after that torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive"
One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping the ante?
> "12.07.2009 – Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become > over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential > customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on > occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows that > there are cases where hype tips over into something far more > reprehensible. It is time for a reality check."
> This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in > which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar > has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments.
> "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers > often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back > cover of A World Champion’s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul > Truong (New York, 2005):
> "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe > ‘Grandmaster Susan Polgar’ as ‘Four-time Women’s World Chess > Champion’, ‘2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist’, ‘a living legend’ and ‘a > four-time Women’s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess player > in the United States’. Once the reader’s toes have uncurled after that > torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain > indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive"
> One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for > comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping > the ante?
> Sam Sloan
Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at least at this time.
> > "12.07.2009 – Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become > > over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential > > customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on > > occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows that > > there are cases where hype tips over into something far more > > reprehensible. It is time for a reality check."
> > This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in > > which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar > > has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments.
> > "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers > > often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back > > cover of A World Champion’s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul > > Truong (New York, 2005):
> > "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe > > ‘Grandmaster Susan Polgar’ as ‘Four-time Women’s World Chess > > Champion’, ‘2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist’, ‘a living legend’ and ‘a > > four-time Women’s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess player > > in the United States’. Once the reader’s toes have uncurled after that > > torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain > > indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive"
> > One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for > > comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping > > the ante?
> > Sam Sloan
> Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The > latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at > least at this time.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
I could see the article. It also has potshots at Keene and Schiller and links to Kingpin reviews/satire. And then it was gone. Could it be that Chessbase was threatened with a lawsuit?
> > > "12.07.2009 – Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become > > > over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential > > > customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on > > > occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows that > > > there are cases where hype tips over into something far more > > > reprehensible. It is time for a reality check."
> > > This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in > > > which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar > > > has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments.
> > > "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers > > > often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back > > > cover of A World Champion’s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul > > > Truong (New York, 2005):
> > > "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe > > > ‘Grandmaster Susan Polgar’ as ‘Four-time Women’s World Chess > > > Champion’, ‘2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist’, ‘a living legend’ and ‘a > > > four-time Women’s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess player > > > in the United States’. Once the reader’s toes have uncurled after that > > > torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain > > > indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive"
> > > One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for > > > comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping > > > the ante?
> > > Sam Sloan
> > Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The > > latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at > > least at this time.- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> I could see the article. It also has potshots at Keene and Schiller > and links to Kingpin reviews/satire. And then it was gone. Could it be > that Chessbase was threatened with a lawsuit?
Amazing. The article disappeared right before our very eyes. It was there and then an instant later it was gone.
I will bet that Jim Killion, Susan Polgar's lawyer in Texas, made a threatening telephone call to ChessBase Magazine in Germany threatening legal action if they did not take down the article comparing his client to Pinocchio.
samsloan wrote: > On Jul 13, 9:40 am, Kalyan <kkolach...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Jul 13, 6:01 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> >> wrote:
>>> On Jul 13, 8:42 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> The home page of ChessBase magazine today has a picture of Pinocchio's >>>> nose. >>>> http://www.chessbase.com/index.asp >>>> "12.07.2009 Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become >>>> over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential >>>> customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on >>>> occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows that >>>> there are cases where hype tips over into something far more >>>> reprehensible. It is time for a reality check." >>>> This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in >>>> which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar >>>> has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments. >>>> http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5578 >>>> "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers >>>> often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back >>>> cover of A World Champion s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul >>>> Truong (New York, 2005): >>>> "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe >>>> Grandmaster Susan Polgar as Four-time Women s World Chess >>>> Champion , 2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist , a living legend and a >>>> four-time Women s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess player >>>> in the United States . Once the reader s toes have uncurled after that >>>> torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain >>>> indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive" >>>> One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for >>>> comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping >>>> the ante? >>>> Sam Sloan >>> Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The >>> latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at >>> least at this time.- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> I could see the article. It also has potshots at Keene and Schiller >> and links to Kingpin reviews/satire. And then it was gone. Could it be >> that Chessbase was threatened with a lawsuit?
> Amazing. The article disappeared right before our very eyes. It was > there and then an instant later it was gone.
> I will bet that Jim Killion, Susan Polgar's lawyer in Texas, made a > threatening telephone call to ChessBase Magazine in Germany > threatening legal action if they did not take down the article > comparing his client to Pinocchio.
> Sam Sloan
It has indeed been pulled. However, I do have a copy of it and will make it available later today for all to see. Ironically, it does not accuse them of lying. Rather, it highlights their puffery.
> > > > "12.07.2009 – Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become > > > > over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential > > > > customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on > > > > occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows that > > > > there are cases where hype tips over into something far more > > > > reprehensible. It is time for a reality check."
> > > > This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in > > > > which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar > > > > has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments.
> > > > "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers > > > > often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back > > > > cover of A World Champion’s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul > > > > Truong (New York, 2005):
> > > > "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe > > > > ‘Grandmaster Susan Polgar’ as ‘Four-time Women’s World Chess > > > > Champion’, ‘2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist’, ‘a living legend’ and ‘a > > > > four-time Women’s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess player > > > > in the United States’. Once the reader’s toes have uncurled after that > > > > torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain > > > > indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive"
> > > > One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for > > > > comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping > > > > the ante?
> > > > Sam Sloan
> > > Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The > > > latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at > > > least at this time.- Hide quoted text -
> > > - Show quoted text -
> > I could see the article. It also has potshots at Keene and Schiller > > and links to Kingpin reviews/satire. And then it was gone. Could it be > > that Chessbase was threatened with a lawsuit?
> Amazing. The article disappeared right before our very eyes. It was > there and then an instant later it was gone.
> I will bet that Jim Killion, Susan Polgar's lawyer in Texas, made a > threatening telephone call to ChessBase Magazine in Germany > threatening legal action if they did not take down the article > comparing his client to Pinocchio.
> Sam Sloan
The article is back up, sans reference to Polgar and Truong.
> samsloan wrote: >> On Jul 13, 9:40 am, Kalyan <kkolach...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Jul 13, 6:01 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> >>> wrote:
>>>> On Jul 13, 8:42 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> The home page of ChessBase magazine today has a picture of Pinocchio's >>>>> nose. >>>>> http://www.chessbase.com/index.asp >>>>> "12.07.2009 Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become >>>>> over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential >>>>> customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on >>>>> occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows that >>>>> there are cases where hype tips over into something far more >>>>> reprehensible. It is time for a reality check." >>>>> This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in >>>>> which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar >>>>> has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments. >>>>> http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5578 >>>>> "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers >>>>> often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back >>>>> cover of A World Champion s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul >>>>> Truong (New York, 2005): >>>>> "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe >>>>> Grandmaster Susan Polgar as Four-time Women s World Chess >>>>> Champion , 2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist , a living legend and a >>>>> four-time Women s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess player >>>>> in the United States . Once the reader s toes have uncurled after that >>>>> torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain >>>>> indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive" >>>>> One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for >>>>> comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping >>>>> the ante? >>>>> Sam Sloan >>>> Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The >>>> latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at >>>> least at this time.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> I could see the article. It also has potshots at Keene and Schiller >>> and links to Kingpin reviews/satire. And then it was gone. Could it be >>> that Chessbase was threatened with a lawsuit?
>> Amazing. The article disappeared right before our very eyes. It was >> there and then an instant later it was gone.
>> I will bet that Jim Killion, Susan Polgar's lawyer in Texas, made a >> threatening telephone call to ChessBase Magazine in Germany >> threatening legal action if they did not take down the article >> comparing his client to Pinocchio.
>> Sam Sloan > It has indeed been pulled. However, I do have a copy of it and will make > it available later today for all to see.
Good thinking laughingstock. That way, if it was taken down because it was libelous, Polgar can sue you for re publishing it. Which'd be quite amusing.
> "MrVidmar" <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:f5adnSa2563H38bXnZ2dnUVZ_rli4p2d@giganews.com... >> samsloan wrote: >>> On Jul 13, 9:40 am, Kalyan <kkolach...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On Jul 13, 6:01 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 13, 8:42 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> The home page of ChessBase magazine today has a picture of >>>>>> Pinocchio's >>>>>> nose. >>>>>> http://www.chessbase.com/index.asp >>>>>> "12.07.2009 Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become >>>>>> over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential >>>>>> customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on >>>>>> occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows >>>>>> that >>>>>> there are cases where hype tips over into something far more >>>>>> reprehensible. It is time for a reality check." >>>>>> This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in >>>>>> which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar >>>>>> has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments. >>>>>> http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5578 >>>>>> "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers >>>>>> often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back >>>>>> cover of A World Champion s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul >>>>>> Truong (New York, 2005): >>>>>> "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe >>>>>> Grandmaster Susan Polgar as Four-time Women s World Chess >>>>>> Champion , 2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist , a living legend and a >>>>>> four-time Women s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess >>>>>> player >>>>>> in the United States . Once the reader s toes have uncurled after >>>>>> that >>>>>> torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain >>>>>> indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive" >>>>>> One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for >>>>>> comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping >>>>>> the ante? >>>>>> Sam Sloan >>>>> Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The >>>>> latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at >>>>> least at this time.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> I could see the article. It also has potshots at Keene and Schiller >>>> and links to Kingpin reviews/satire. And then it was gone. Could it be >>>> that Chessbase was threatened with a lawsuit?
>>> Amazing. The article disappeared right before our very eyes. It was >>> there and then an instant later it was gone.
>>> I will bet that Jim Killion, Susan Polgar's lawyer in Texas, made a >>> threatening telephone call to ChessBase Magazine in Germany >>> threatening legal action if they did not take down the article >>> comparing his client to Pinocchio.
>>> Sam Sloan >> It has indeed been pulled. However, I do have a copy of it and will >> make it available later today for all to see.
> Good thinking laughingstock. That way, if it was taken down because it > was libelous, Polgar can sue you for re publishing it. Which'd be quite > amusing.
> PS When did you stop hot saucing your wife?
> PPS ARCHIVED
The clip art of Pinocchio's nose is still up as is the lead in written by chessbase. The words that chessbase has pulled are correctly quoted above by Sloan and do not contain anything false. Polgar dust jacket puffery is out there for all to see. Vain in-decorum is another way of saying "puffery." Puffery is defined as
puff ery \'p?-f(?-)re-\ n (1782) : exaggerated commendation esp. for promotional purposes : hype
Being accused of hype is not the same as being accused of untruthfulness. Just like being criticized is not the same as being defamed. But, you understand that, Paul.
> > > > > "12.07.2009 – Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become > > > > > over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential > > > > > customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on > > > > > occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows that > > > > > there are cases where hype tips over into something far more > > > > > reprehensible. It is time for a reality check."
> > > > > This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in > > > > > which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar > > > > > has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments.
> > > > > "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers > > > > > often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back > > > > > cover of A World Champion’s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul > > > > > Truong (New York, 2005):
> > > > > "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe > > > > > ‘Grandmaster Susan Polgar’ as ‘Four-time Women’s World Chess > > > > > Champion’, ‘2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist’, ‘a living legend’ and ‘a > > > > > four-time Women’s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess player > > > > > in the United States’. Once the reader’s toes have uncurled after that > > > > > torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain > > > > > indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive"
> > > > > One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for > > > > > comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping > > > > > the ante?
> > > > > Sam Sloan
> > > > Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The > > > > latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at > > > > least at this time.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > I could see the article. It also has potshots at Keene and Schiller > > > and links to Kingpin reviews/satire. And then it was gone. Could it be > > > that Chessbase was threatened with a lawsuit?
> > Amazing. The article disappeared right before our very eyes. It was > > there and then an instant later it was gone.
> > I will bet that Jim Killion, Susan Polgar's lawyer in Texas, made a > > threatening telephone call to ChessBase Magazine in Germany > > threatening legal action if they did not take down the article > > comparing his client to Pinocchio.
> > Sam Sloan
> The article is back up, sans reference to Polgar and Truong.
Right. The picture of Pinocchio's Nose is back up and the article by Edward Winter is back up too except that the entire sections of the article discussing the outrageous fabrications and exaggerations by Susan Polgar have been deleted from the article.
>> "MrVidmar" <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >> news:f5adnSa2563H38bXnZ2dnUVZ_rli4p2d@giganews.com... >>> samsloan wrote: >>>> On Jul 13, 9:40 am, Kalyan <kkolach...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> On Jul 13, 6:01 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 13, 8:42 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> The home page of ChessBase magazine today has a picture of >>>>>>> Pinocchio's >>>>>>> nose. >>>>>>> http://www.chessbase.com/index.asp >>>>>>> "12.07.2009 Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become >>>>>>> over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential >>>>>>> customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> there are cases where hype tips over into something far more >>>>>>> reprehensible. It is time for a reality check." >>>>>>> This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar >>>>>>> has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments. >>>>>>> http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5578 >>>>>>> "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers >>>>>>> often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the >>>>>>> back >>>>>>> cover of A World Champion s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul >>>>>>> Truong (New York, 2005): >>>>>>> "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe >>>>>>> Grandmaster Susan Polgar as Four-time Women s World Chess >>>>>>> Champion , 2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist , a living legend and a >>>>>>> four-time Women s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess >>>>>>> player >>>>>>> in the United States . Once the reader s toes have uncurled after >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain >>>>>>> indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive" >>>>>>> One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for >>>>>>> comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, >>>>>>> uping >>>>>>> the ante? >>>>>>> Sam Sloan >>>>>> Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The >>>>>> latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at >>>>>> least at this time.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> I could see the article. It also has potshots at Keene and Schiller >>>>> and links to Kingpin reviews/satire. And then it was gone. Could it be >>>>> that Chessbase was threatened with a lawsuit?
>>>> Amazing. The article disappeared right before our very eyes. It was >>>> there and then an instant later it was gone.
>>>> I will bet that Jim Killion, Susan Polgar's lawyer in Texas, made a >>>> threatening telephone call to ChessBase Magazine in Germany >>>> threatening legal action if they did not take down the article >>>> comparing his client to Pinocchio.
>>>> Sam Sloan >>> It has indeed been pulled. However, I do have a copy of it and will >>> make it available later today for all to see.
>> Good thinking laughingstock. That way, if it was taken down because it >> was libelous, Polgar can sue you for re publishing it. Which'd be quite >> amusing.
>> PS When did you stop hot saucing your wife?
>> PPS ARCHIVED > The clip art of Pinocchio's nose is still up as is the lead in written by > chessbase. The words that chessbase has pulled are correctly quoted above > by Sloan and do not contain anything false. Polgar dust jacket puffery is > out there for all to see. Vain in-decorum is another way of saying > "puffery." Puffery is defined as
> puff ery \'p?-f(?-)re-\ n (1782) : exaggerated commendation esp. for > promotional purposes : hype
> Being accused of hype is not the same as being accused of untruthfulness. > Just like being criticized is not the same as being defamed. But, you > understand that, Paul.
> > > > > > "12.07.2009 – Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become > > > > > > over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential > > > > > > customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on > > > > > > occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows that > > > > > > there are cases where hype tips over into something far more > > > > > > reprehensible. It is time for a reality check."
> > > > > > This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in > > > > > > which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar > > > > > > has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments.
> > > > > > "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers > > > > > > often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back > > > > > > cover of A World Champion’s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul > > > > > > Truong (New York, 2005):
> > > > > > "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe > > > > > > ‘Grandmaster Susan Polgar’ as ‘Four-time Women’s World Chess > > > > > > Champion’, ‘2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist’, ‘a living legend’ and ‘a > > > > > > four-time Women’s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess player > > > > > > in the United States’. Once the reader’s toes have uncurled after that > > > > > > torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain > > > > > > indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive"
> > > > > > One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for > > > > > > comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping > > > > > > the ante?
> > > > > > Sam Sloan
> > > > > Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The > > > > > latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at > > > > > least at this time.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > I could see the article. It also has potshots at Keene and Schiller > > > > and links to Kingpin reviews/satire. And then it was gone. Could it be > > > > that Chessbase was threatened with a lawsuit?
> > > Amazing. The article disappeared right before our very eyes. It was > > > there and then an instant later it was gone.
> > > I will bet that Jim Killion, Susan Polgar's lawyer in Texas, made a > > > threatening telephone call to ChessBase Magazine in Germany > > > threatening legal action if they did not take down the article > > > comparing his client to Pinocchio.
> > > Sam Sloan
> > The article is back up, sans reference to Polgar and Truong.
> Right. The picture of Pinocchio's Nose is back up and the article by > Edward Winter is back up too except that the entire sections of the > article discussing the outrageous fabrications and exaggerations by > Susan Polgar have been deleted from the article.
> Sam Sloan
Quite possibly next week Chessbase will do a peep show comparing Sam Sloan to another part of Pinocchio's anatomy? The simile need only be suggested to be universally intuited.
They can take it down as soon as anyone notices it, for fear of litigious Americans reaching across the ocean.
I note, BTW, that the real Pinocchio had his strings pulled.
[not to Spinrod and Kingbone, this is not a sexual allusion]
> > "MrVidmar" <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote in message > >news:f5adnSa2563H38bXnZ2dnUVZ_rli4p2d@giganews.com... > >> samsloan wrote: > >>> On Jul 13, 9:40 am, Kalyan <kkolach...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> On Jul 13, 6:01 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> > >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 13, 8:42 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> The home page of ChessBase magazine today has a picture of > >>>>>> Pinocchio's > >>>>>> nose. > >>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/index.asp > >>>>>> "12.07.2009 – Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become > >>>>>> over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential > >>>>>> customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on > >>>>>> occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> there are cases where hype tips over into something far more > >>>>>> reprehensible. It is time for a reality check." > >>>>>> This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in > >>>>>> which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar > >>>>>> has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments. > >>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5578 > >>>>>> "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers > >>>>>> often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back > >>>>>> cover of A World Champion’s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul > >>>>>> Truong (New York, 2005): > >>>>>> "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe > >>>>>> ‘Grandmaster Susan Polgar’ as ‘Four-time Women’s World Chess > >>>>>> Champion’, ‘2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist’, ‘a living legend’ and ‘a > >>>>>> four-time Women’s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess > >>>>>> player > >>>>>> in the United States’. Once the reader’s toes have uncurled after > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain > >>>>>> indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive" > >>>>>> One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for > >>>>>> comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping > >>>>>> the ante? > >>>>>> Sam Sloan > >>>>> Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The > >>>>> latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at > >>>>> least at this time.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>> I could see the article. It also has potshots at Keene and Schiller > >>>> and links to Kingpin reviews/satire. And then it was gone. Could it be > >>>> that Chessbase was threatened with a lawsuit?
> >>> Amazing. The article disappeared right before our very eyes. It was > >>> there and then an instant later it was gone.
> >>> I will bet that Jim Killion, Susan Polgar's lawyer in Texas, made a > >>> threatening telephone call to ChessBase Magazine in Germany > >>> threatening legal action if they did not take down the article > >>> comparing his client to Pinocchio.
> >>> Sam Sloan > >> It has indeed been pulled. However, I do have a copy of it and will > >> make it available later today for all to see.
> > Good thinking laughingstock. That way, if it was taken down because it > > was libelous, Polgar can sue you for re publishing it. Which'd be quite > > amusing.
> > PS When did you stop hot saucing your wife?
> > PPS ARCHIVED
> The clip art of Pinocchio's nose is still up as is the lead in written > by chessbase. The words that chessbase has pulled are correctly quoted > above by Sloan and do not contain anything false. Polgar dust jacket > puffery is out there for all to see. Vain in-decorum is another way of > saying "puffery." Puffery is defined as
> puff·ery \'p?-f(?-)re-\ n (1782) : exaggerated commendation esp. for > promotional purposes : hype
> Being accused of hype is not the same as being accused of > untruthfulness. Just like being criticized is not the same as being > defamed. But, you understand that, Paul.- Hide quoted text -
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Just noticed that this issue is also being discussed in Mig's blog.
> samsloan wrote: > > On Jul 13, 9:40 am, Kalyan <kkolach...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 13, 6:01 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> > >> wrote:
> >>> On Jul 13, 8:42 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> The home page of ChessBase magazine today has a picture of Pinocchio's > >>>> nose. > >>>>http://www.chessbase.com/index.asp > >>>> "12.07.2009 – Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become > >>>> over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential > >>>> customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on > >>>> occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows that > >>>> there are cases where hype tips over into something far more > >>>> reprehensible. It is time for a reality check." > >>>> This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in > >>>> which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar > >>>> has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments. > >>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5578 > >>>> "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers > >>>> often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back > >>>> cover of A World Champion’s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul > >>>> Truong (New York, 2005): > >>>> "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe > >>>> ‘Grandmaster Susan Polgar’ as ‘Four-time Women’s World Chess > >>>> Champion’, ‘2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist’, ‘a living legend’ and ‘a > >>>> four-time Women’s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess player > >>>> in the United States’. Once the reader’s toes have uncurled after that > >>>> torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain > >>>> indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive" > >>>> One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for > >>>> comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping > >>>> the ante? > >>>> Sam Sloan > >>> Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The > >>> latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at > >>> least at this time.- Hide quoted text - > >>> - Show quoted text - > >> I could see the article. It also has potshots at Keene and Schiller > >> and links to Kingpin reviews/satire. And then it was gone. Could it be > >> that Chessbase was threatened with a lawsuit?
> > Amazing. The article disappeared right before our very eyes. It was > > there and then an instant later it was gone.
> > I will bet that Jim Killion, Susan Polgar's lawyer in Texas, made a > > threatening telephone call to ChessBase Magazine in Germany > > threatening legal action if they did not take down the article > > comparing his client to Pinocchio.
> > Sam Sloan
> It has indeed been pulled. However, I do have a copy of it and will > make it available later today for all to see. Ironically, it does not > accuse them of lying. Rather, it highlights their puffery.- Hide quoted text -
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I would not make it available without getting the permission of Winter first, as a proprietary issue as opposed to any libel issue.
It is barely possible that Chessbase was only asked to remove this portion of the article until after the election, and consented to do so. If, as seems far more likely, they were threatened with a lawsuit, that would be an example of boorish (though not illegal) behavior, which would be appropriate for discussion in a political campaign. Can any supporters of Polgar and Truong find out whether they had this article taken down with threats of a lawsuit? I hope we can all agree that Winter's statements were well within the bounds of acceptable general discussion, and do not deserve threats of legal action.
That is right - it has definitely changed since I read it this morning. However, Winter, as usual, did little more than quote the actual text before his eyes, ie the back cover blurb.
> > "MrVidmar" <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote in message > >news:f5adnSa2563H38bXnZ2dnUVZ_rli4p2d@giganews.com... > >> samsloan wrote: > >>> On Jul 13, 9:40 am, Kalyan <kkolach...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> On Jul 13, 6:01 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> > >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 13, 8:42 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> The home page of ChessBase magazine today has a picture of > >>>>>> Pinocchio's > >>>>>> nose. > >>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/index.asp > >>>>>> "12.07.2009 – Chess authors and publishers have a tendency to become > >>>>>> over-excited, to put it mildly, when trying to induce potential > >>>>>> customers to part with their money. But a darker side also emerges on > >>>>>> occasion. With some grim examples the Editor of Chess Notes shows > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> there are cases where hype tips over into something far more > >>>>>> reprehensible. It is time for a reality check." > >>>>>> This leads to an article entitled "reality check" by Edward Winter in > >>>>>> which he points out what many others have noticed, that Susan Polgar > >>>>>> has a habit of greatly exaggerating her actual accomplishments. > >>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5578 > >>>>>> "Regarding titles for over-the-board play, authors and publishers > >>>>>> often lose all sense of proportion. The following comes from the back > >>>>>> cover of A World Champion’s Guide to Chess by Susan Polgar and Paul > >>>>>> Truong (New York, 2005): > >>>>>> "There is much more. The front and back covers also describe > >>>>>> ‘Grandmaster Susan Polgar’ as ‘Four-time Women’s World Chess > >>>>>> Champion’, ‘2004 Olympiad Gold Medalist’, ‘a living legend’ and ‘a > >>>>>> four-time Women’s World Champion and the top-ranked woman chess > >>>>>> player > >>>>>> in the United States’. Once the reader’s toes have uncurled after > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> torrent, he may feel that the boasting mainly springs from vain > >>>>>> indecorum rather than an attempt to deceive" > >>>>>> One wonders: Will Susan Polgar now sue Chess Base Magazine for > >>>>>> comparing her to Pinocchio? Perhaps for $26 million this time, uping > >>>>>> the ante? > >>>>>> Sam Sloan > >>>>> Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The > >>>>> latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at > >>>>> least at this time.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>> I could see the article. It also has potshots at Keene and Schiller > >>>> and links to Kingpin reviews/satire. And then it was gone. Could it be > >>>> that Chessbase was threatened with a lawsuit?
> >>> Amazing. The article disappeared right before our very eyes. It was > >>> there and then an instant later it was gone.
> >>> I will bet that Jim Killion, Susan Polgar's lawyer in Texas, made a > >>> threatening telephone call to ChessBase Magazine in Germany > >>> threatening legal action if they did not take down the article > >>> comparing his client to Pinocchio.
> >>> Sam Sloan > >> It has indeed been pulled. However, I do have a copy of it and will > >> make it available later today for all to see.
> > Good thinking laughingstock. That way, if it was taken down because it > > was libelous, Polgar can sue you for re publishing it. Which'd be quite > > amusing.
> > PS When did you stop hot saucing your wife?
> > PPS ARCHIVED
> The clip art of Pinocchio's nose is still up as is the lead in written > by chessbase. The words that chessbase has pulled are correctly quoted > above by Sloan and do not contain anything false. Polgar dust jacket > puffery is out there for all to see. Vain in-decorum is another way of > saying "puffery." Puffery is defined as
> puff·ery \'p?-f(?-)re-\ n (1782) : exaggerated commendation esp. for > promotional purposes : hype
> Being accused of hype is not the same as being accused of > untruthfulness. Just like being criticized is not the same as being > defamed. But, you understand that, Paul.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
Puffery is quite acceptable pursuant to article 2 of the Uniform Commercial Code.
[quote="artichoke"][quote]Downmarket it is a different story. As reported in C.N. 2345, the dust-jacket of Chess by K.M. Grover and T. Wiswell (London, 1952) stated: ‘Kenneth M. Grover, when 12 years old, was hailed as a chess child-prodigy, and today he is America’s number- one chess player.[/quote]
I wouldn't say "downmarket" for that one. Wiswell was the real world champion for many years, of checkers. I dunno about Grover, but Wiswell was the real thing.[/quote]
I knew Ken Grover. He was at one point America's Number One Checker Player.
He was a chess master too. He won the 1964 Koltanowski Chess Friends Money Tournament in Oakland California, defeating Peter Cleghorn, rated 2350, in the last round.
Last I knew him was in 1967 when he was a professional Poker Player playing every day at the Oakes Club in Emeryville, California.
On Jul 13, 9:01 am, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Funny, the article does not seem to be there at the moment. The > latest entry is #5577, about Kramnik winning Dortmund. No #5578, at > least at this time.
How do you find CHess LIfe except as a subscriber through the mails? I remember the days when it was buried at the back of the magazine stand at Barnes and Noble bookstores.
> [quote="artichoke"][quote]Downmarket it is a different story. As > reported in C.N. 2345, the dust-jacket of Chess by K.M. Grover and T. > Wiswell (London, 1952) stated: ‘Kenneth M. Grover, when 12 years old, > was hailed as a chess child-prodigy, and today he is America’s number- > one chess player.[/quote]
> I wouldn't say "downmarket" for that one. Wiswell was the real world > champion for many years, of checkers. I dunno about Grover, but > Wiswell was the real thing.[/quote]
> I knew Ken Grover. He was at one point America's Number One Checker > Player.
> He was a chess master too. He won the 1964 Koltanowski Chess Friends > Money Tournament in Oakland California, defeating Peter Cleghorn, > rated 2350, in the last round.
> Last I knew him was in 1967 when he was a professional Poker Player > playing every day at the Oakes Club in Emeryville, California.
> Sam Sloan
Eric Osbun has corrected me.
Ken Grover won the Chess Friend's Money Tournament, defeating Peter Cleghorn in the last round, in 1963, not in 1964.
Nobody knew who he was at the time, as he had just arrived in the Bay Area. It was a real shock.
