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Message from discussion Greatest chess players ever? Capa, Kramnik, Karpov, Kasparov, *in that order* (cuz 'puters don't lie!)
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 More options Apr 27 2007, 4:47 am
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.misc, rec.games.chess.computer
From: help bot <nomorech...@hotmail.com>
Date: 27 Apr 2007 01:47:43 -0700
Local: Fri, Apr 27 2007 4:47 am
Subject: Re: Greatest chess players ever? Capa, Kramnik, Karpov, Kasparov, *in that order* (cuz 'puters don't lie!)
On Apr 26, 9:24 pm, "David Kane" <davidek...@comcast.net> wrote:

> >So, understanding how chess works, and how chess playing computers
> >work, and having seen Crafty evaluate pretty good myself, I have to
> >side with the original article.

> I would not go so far as to say that I side with the original argument,
> only that Riis' objections were groundless. In fact, the original authors
> have done some groundbreaking work on developing a
> methodology to rate chess players. It is, at the very least,
> very interesting, and a refreshing change from the pseudo-science
> historical ELO/chessmetrics stuff. The problem with the work is
> that it applies a new method to a very hard problem (ranking
> world champions) when they haven't even shown the method's
> worth when applied to easy problems (ranking everybody else).

  It seems to me that the above comments themselves do
a decent job of showing how the "groundbreaking work"
is little different from ChessMetrics' pseudo-science.

------

  In one of the defenses to a criticism, it was argued that
even a weak chess program could be utilized effectively
to rank players, due to a strong correlation of some sort.
But in constructing their example to demonstrate how
this works, the authors (as always) made some invalid
assumptions; in this particular case, that apart from the
single strongest move in a given position, the remaining
choices are distributed or chosen evenly.  Obviously,
the remaining move choices are anything but equal, and
how a player chooses among them is a big part of how
strongly they play.  The stronger the player, the more
likely he would be to go for #2 as opposed to #10
(granting the oddball assumption of exactly ten choices
per position).  All these invalid assumptions come off
as a clueless math major having fun "playing around
with" numbers which just happen to relate to chess.

  Thus far, the only works I have seen which are not
seriously flawed in terms of logic and reason, were a
few of the brief criticisms of the published works by
the math whiz-kids.

  -- help bot


 
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