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Message from discussion Greatest chess players ever? Capa, Kramnik, Karpov, Kasparov, *in that order* (cuz 'puters don't lie!)
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 More options Apr 26 2007, 3:27 pm
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.misc, rec.games.chess.computer
From: "Chess Sadist" <thespider...@yahoo.ca>
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:27:04 GMT
Local: Thurs, Apr 26 2007 3:27 pm
Subject: Re: Greatest chess players ever? Capa, Kramnik, Karpov, Kasparov, *in that order* (cuz 'puters don't lie!)

"Ron" <ronaldinh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:ronaldinho_m-C0E6EE.12185926042007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...

> In article <Pqq*QO...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
> David Richerby <dav...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>> > Now of course the surrebutter (rebuttal to the rebuttal) will be
>> > that players like Tal will score poorly--and indeed they (he)
>> > did--but let's face it, Tal was more of a shock player that relied
>> > on playing the man rather than the board.

>> I'm not convinced by that assertion.  Tal played games that were sound
>> enough that they were very hard to defeat over the board.  I don't
>> think that counts as playing the man rather than the board.

> The whole idea of judging a player by his "error rate" presumes that the
> way to win at chess is to commit no errors.

> But a quick look at players like Lasker, Tal, and Bronstein shows that
> there's another way: make an error in order to induce your opponent to
> make a bigger error.

> Many of Tal's sacrifices would be considered errors by a chess program
> (and that's just counting the ones where you could expect a program to
> see it through to the end, in all variations, in however much time you
> gave it - and if you're only giving even a top program ten minutes a
> move, you're not getting there on a lot of sacrifices) but Tal wasn't
> trying to play perfect chess.

That's total rubbish "Ron". You're obviously someone who doesn't know much
about the game of chess. Tal didn't set out to make errors, with the
lamebrain idea that this would somehow cause his opponents to make bigger
errors. Tal set out to create COMPLICATIONS for his opponents. Obviously Tal
desired for all of his sacrifices to be sound and forcing, but no human can
calculate everything to the end, so computer analysis has shown flaws in
many of his games. This is meaningless, because he wasn't playing against
computers.

Your comment is similiar to a common theme of beginner (or patzer) level
thinking, ie: "I know this move is bad, but if he doesn't see Bxf7+ then it
will be very good for me.

JMR


 
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