Who was caught selling" My 61 Memorable Games" at the US Open?
Rob
Reports are that someone was trying to sell five copies of My
61Memorable Games from a borrowed corner of a skittles table outside
of the book sellers area at the World Open in Philly. Goichberg told
the person they were not authorized to sell the book. The person in
question demanded to see a contract saying he couldn't. At that point
Mr. Goichberg informed the person that not only did he not have to
show him a contract, he could have him ejected and barred from
returning.
The individual then put the books away and didn't return on Sunday to
the event.
samsloan
Ed Trice was there selling the book. The only objection that I know of
would be that Ron Lohrman had paid for book concession rights at the
tournament. I do not know whether Bill Goichberg has the right to have
someone ejected from the second floor where the event was being help.
I do know that Ed Trice apparently did not return on Sunday.
Ed Trice had four copies that he was selling for $200 each. I do know
that he had a real book. I looked through it. It was about 780 pages
long, essentially an expanded version of "My 60 Memorable Games".
There were more pages and the pages were larger.
Sam Sloan
Rob
As a publisher, could you determine where it was from? Do you believe
the seller of the book was responsible for it being published or
written?
Taylor Kingston
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> Ed Trice had four copies that he was selling for $200 each. I do know
> that he had a real book.
Sam, I presume you mean "real" merely in the sense that it was an
actual physical object, not an imaginary phantom.
> I looked through it. It was about 780 pages
> long, essentially an expanded version of "My 60 Memorable Games".
Surely you don't mean to say it was "real" in the sense that Bobby
Fischer actually wrote any of the additional material?
> There were more pages and the pages were larger.
If Trice sold any, especially at $200 a pop, I can only consider it
a validation of P.T. Barnum's famous dictum.
None
samsloan
I disagree. If no more are produced it would be valuable as a
collectors item.
There was no publisher named in the book. Trice claimed that he had
gotten it from a lady in Canada and had nothing to do with it.
Sam Sloan
Rob
He posted on the internet that he got his copies from the bookstore at
the event. Was the Canadian lady a bookseller there?
Rob
National chess Master Edward Labate sent me this message and gave me
permission to post this follow up:
Hello Rob,
As you know, I no longer post publicly, but you are more than welcomed
to make public any emails I send to you.
This is my understanding of what transpired on Saturday, directly from
Greg Yanez, the bookseller at the World Open, since I wasn’t there
personally.
Ed Trice was caught trying to sell copies of 'My 61 Memorable Games'
at a table down the hall from the booksellers area at the World Open
in Philly. When the bookseller, Greg Yanez of Chess4Less and the
London Chess Centre found out that Trice had accused the Chess4Less
bookstore of stocking and selling the fraudulent 'My 61 Memorable
Games' on chessgames.com for upwards of $300, he immediately sought
out Mr. Bill Goichberg. Mr. Goichberg and Greg, approached Trice to
verify that in fact, the Ed Trice from the chessgames.com blog, and
the man sitting in front of them with a stack of 'My 61 Memorable
Games' were in fact the same person. After Trice acknowledged that he
was in fact the same person, Greg Yanez demanded to know why Trice had
posted a clearly obvious false and defaming statement, accusing the
Chess4Less bookstore of stocking and selling the fraudulent 'My 61
Memorable Games'. Trice offered to remove the post, if only he could
borrow Greg's computer. By this point, Greg was fuming and asked Mr.
Goichberg what could be done.
Mr. Goichberg informed Trice that he wasn't allowed to set up and sell
at the tournament. Trice demanded to see an 'exclusivity' contract
saying he couldn't. At this point Mr. Goichberg informed Trice that
not only did he not have to show him a contract, he could have
security remove him from the hotel, and banned from returning. Trice
then put the stack of 'My 61 Memorable Games' below the table, and out
of sight, and then proceeded in a feeble attempt to save face by
playing skittles for while. Trice was not seen back at the tournament
on Sunday.
Greg did mention that Trice seemed unstable, and appeared to actually
want to fight! Trice literally came from around the table and that at
one point, Greg and Trice were almost nose to nose.
Greg has also agreed to send me an email with further details of what
actions Chess4Less is considering for the defamatory libel on the
chessgames.com website (I’ve already mentioned how poorly the sight is
actually monitored, and that Daniel Freeman appears to be the most
loyal man money can buy!). Needless to say, I pointed out to Greg to
‘Get In Line’!
Best Wishes!
Edward Labate
National Chess Master
Boardman, OH 44512
Rob
look at 2:21 minutes in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wofHiHzOTiA&feature=player_embedded
Rob
look at 2:35 minutes in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wofHiHzOTiA&feature=player_embedded
samsloan
Memorable Games" was being sold in the bookstore at the World Open.
Sam Sloan
Taylor Kingston
> On Jul 6, 5:43 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
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> > On Jul 6, 4:53 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Ed Trice had four copies that he was selling for $200 each. I do know
> > > that he had a real book.
>
> > Sam, I presume you mean "real" merely in the sense that it was an
> > actual physical object, not an imaginary phantom.
>
> > > I looked through it. It was about 780 pages
> > > long, essentially an expanded version of "My 60 Memorable Games".
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> > Surely you don't mean to say it was "real" in the sense that Bobby
> > Fischer actually wrote any of the additional material?
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> > > There were more pages and the pages were larger.
>
> > If Trice sold any, especially at $200 a pop, I can only consider it
> > a validation of P.T. Barnum's famous dictum.
>
> I disagree. If no more are produced it would be valuable as a
> collectors item.
Is there much of a collectors' market for fakes and forgeries?
Rob
So St. EAT looked you right in the eye and lied?
samsloan
Yes. In fact there is a considerable collectors market for fakes and
forgeries. Forgeries are often worth just as much or even more than
the real thing.
Did you not already know that? Are you just asking a rhetorical
question?
Sam Sloan
Rob
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I guess some literary frauds are worth more than others.
samsloan
Rob the Robber is referring to the Fake biography of Howard Hughes by
Clifford Irving.
Funny thing is that the Amazon website linked to above does not reveal
that the Hughes Autobiography is a forgery.
Sam Sloan
Rob
Slimy Sloan the Sloon
Sorry, but I have no response other than that. I don't see anything of
value your last post had so I won't put forth any effort to respond
other than to call them as I see them.
Taylor Kingston
That could apply to cleverly devised, world famous frauds,
especially if they involved criminal prosecution, e.g. the Hitler
Diaries or the Mormon "white salamander" letters. But a clumsy,
obvious fraud? I doubt it.
madams
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> Is there much of a collectors' market for fakes and forgeries?
My zircon-encrusted Rolez keeps perfect time:
http://www.artsimpression.com/leonardo-da-vinci-mona-lisa.html
m.
Taylor Kingston
Mick, in case it wasn't clear, I'm talking about fakes that are
*_already known_* to be fakes, and not very good fakes at that. Which,
if I understand correctly, M61MG is. If anyone pays Trice $200 for a
copy, it only validates the old saw that "there's a sucker born every
minute."
Rob
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Ed Trice is now claiming that Bill Goichberg held his entry check and
didn't cash it and thats why he couldn't play in the World Open . He
also claims that the book seller is not telling the truth about the
events regarding the book My 61 Memorable games.
Offramp
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> Ed Trice is now claiming that Bill Goichberg held his entry check and
> didn't cash it and thats why he couldn't play in the World Open . He
> also claims that the book seller is not telling the truth about the
> events regarding the book My 61 Memorable games.
What Trice should have done is to market /only/ the additional
material as an affordable booklet.
But admittedly "My One Memorable Game" is not too attractive a title...
samsloan
wrote:
Again you are mistaken. There is a big market among collectors for
counterfeit money, fake coins, fake paintings by the old masters, etc.
Sometimes the fakes are worth more than the real thing.
In the case of "My 61 Memorable Games", I would consider paying $200
for it at some future date provided that no more emerge.
Sam Sloan
zdrakec
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> > Ed Trice is now claiming that Bill Goichberg held his entry check and
> > didn't cash it and thats why he couldn't play in the World Open . He
> > also claims that the book seller is not telling the truth about the
> > events regarding the book My 61 Memorable games.
>
> What Trice should have done is to market /only/ the additional
> material as an affordable booklet.
> But admittedly "My One Memorable Game" is not too attractive a title...
"My Last Memorable Game" would probably get some good run.
Mike Murray
<samh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>There is a big market among collectors for
>counterfeit money, fake coins, fake paintings by the old masters, etc.
>Sometimes the fakes are worth more than the real thing.
>
>In the case of "My 61 Memorable Games", I would consider paying $200
>for it at some future date provided that no more emerge.
>Sam Sloan
In the days of instant books, printed on demand, would this hold
true? How would you know the digital version wasn't floating around
there somewhere?
Rob
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> > > Ed Trice is now claiming that Bill Goichberg held his entry check and
> > > didn't cash it and thats why he couldn't play in the World Open . He
> > > also claims that the book seller is not telling the truth about the
> > > events regarding the book My 61 Memorable games.
>
> > What Trice should have done is to market /only/ the additional
> > material as an affordable booklet.
> > But admittedly "My One Memorable Game" is not too attractive a title...
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LOL
Rob
I am sure St EAT will take you $200 dollars. Why not call him? I am
sure he will let you publish more if you like.
Taylor Kingston
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> In the case of "My 61 Memorable Games", I would consider paying $200
> for it at some future date provided that no more emerge.
Ed Trice has found his natural prey.
samsloan
wrote:
This is not a big deal. I just finished paying $200 for a type written
book that nobody else but me would think is worth anything.
Of course, I am reprinting it and selling it for $29.95. It just came
out today.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?box=0923891722
I plan to sell 100,000 copies to our US Army Personel hunkered down in
Foxholes who will be needing it to negotiate a surrender to the
Freedom Fighters we are fighting in Afghanistan.
Haji Ismail Sloan
samsloan
> On Jul 8, 3:57 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
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> > On Jul 8, 3:06 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > In the case of "My 61 Memorable Games", I would consider paying $200
> > > for it at some future date provided that no more emerge.
>
> > Ed Trice has found his natural prey.
>
> This is not a big deal. I just finished paying $200 for a type written
> book that nobody else but me would think is worth anything.
>
> Of course, I am reprinting it and selling it for $29.95. It just came
> out today.
>
>
> I plan to sell 100,000 copies to our US Army Personnel hunkered down in
> Foxholes who will be needing it to negotiate a surrender to the
> Freedom Fighters we are fighting in Afghanistan.
>
> Haji Ismail Sloan
Sorry, here is the correct link.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?ISBN=0923891722
Haji Ismail Sloan
Rob
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> Haji Ismail Sloan
just go