Rebel - S. Polgar
Howard Exner
Is this not a win for Rebel? It is from their game from round three at Aegon
'97. Is
there a move limit imposed by the Tournament commitee?
[Event "AEGON Chess Tournament"]
[Site "The Hague NED"]
[Date "1997.04.18"]
[Round "3"]
[White "REBEL"]
[Black "Sofia Polgar"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "2470"]
[WhiteElo ""]
[ECO ""]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Nxc6 Qf6 6. Qd2 dxc6 7. Nc3
Qg6 8. Qg5 Qxg5 9. Bxg5 Be6 10. Rd1 Ne7 11. Be2 a5 12. O-O Ng6 13. Na4
Ba7 14. b3 O-O 15. c4 Rab8 16. Rfe1 b5 17. cxb5 cxb5 18. Nc3 c6 19. Rd6
Rfc8 20. Red1 h6 21. Bc1 Bc5 22. R6d2 a4 23. bxa4 b4 24. Nb1 Ra8 25. Rc2
Bf8 26. Nd2 Rd8 27. Nb3 Rxd1+ 28. Bxd1 Rxa4 29. f4 Ra8 30. g3 Rc8 31. Be3
Ne7 32. Nc5 Rd8 33. Be2 Bc8 34. Rb2 f5 35. Rxb4 fxe4 36. Rxe4 Nd5 37. Bc4
Kh7 38. Bf2 Nf6 39. Rd4 Re8 40. Bd3+ g6 41. Ra4 Bh3 42. Ra7+ Kh8 43. Bxg6
Re2 44. Nb3 c5 45. Bd3 Rb2 46. Be1 c4 47. Bxc4 Rb1 48. Rf7 Ne4 49. Rxf8+
Kg7 50. Rf7+ Kh8 51. Nd2 Nxd2 52. Rf8+ Kg7 53. Rg8+ Kf6 54. Bd3 Rxe1+ 55.
Kf2 Ra1 56. Rg6+ Ke7 57. Rxh6 Be6 58. f5 Bd5 59. Ra6 Nf3 60. Ra5 Bc6 61.
h4 Rc1 62. h5 Kf6 63. g4 Rc3 64. Ke2 Kg5 65. f6+ Kxf6 66. g5+ Nxg5 67.
Rf5+ Kg7 68. Rxg5+ Kh6 69. Ra5 Be8 70. Kd2 Rc6 71. Be2 Re6 72. a3 Bd7 73.
Rd5 Be8 74. Rf5 Bd7 75. Ra5 Be8 76. Rd5 Bc6 77. Rd3 Rf6 78. Re3 Bd7 79.
Kc3 Rb6 80. Re4 Rb8 81. Re7 Rc8+ 82. Kd4 Be8 83. Re5 Ra8 84. Kc4 Ra4+ 85.
Kb3 Ra8 86. Re6+ Kg5 87. Re7 Rb8+ 88. Kc3 Ra8 89. Kb2 Rb8+ 90. Kc1 Ra8
91. Rg7+ Kh6 92. Rg8 Kh7 93. Rg3 Kh6 94. Rh3 Bd7 95. Rb3 Be8 96. Kd2 Rd8+
97. Rd3 Ra8 98. Rh3 Bf7 99. Kc2 Be8 100. Kb2 Bf7 101. Rh4 Be8 102. Re4
Rb8+ 103. Rb4 Ra8 104. Rb3 Bf7 105. Rb7 Be8 106. Rb6+ Kg5 107. Rb3 Kh6
108. Bd1 Rd8 109. Bf3 Rd6 110. Rb8 Re6 111. Bd1 Re4 112. Rb4 Re1 113. Rb6+
Kg5 114. Rd6 Re5 115. h6 Rb5+ 116. Kc1 Rc5+ 117. Bc2 Ba4 118. Rg6+ Kh5
119. h7 Rxc2+ 120. Kb1 1/2-1/2
I'm guessing that Polgar knew that if she reached move 120 it would
be declared a draw. Is that what happened? How much time did each opponents
use?
--
Howard
miK
"Howard Exner" <hex...@dlcwest.com> wrote:
>Is this not a win for Rebel? It is from their game from round three at Aegon
>'97. Is there a move limit imposed by the Tournament commitee?
>be declared a draw. Is that what happened? How much time did each opponents
>use?
In the Aegon tournament *Fischer* is used; both players get 1.5 hour,
thereafter 30 seconds/move.
By the time I left - approximately move 82 - everyone was convinced 1)
this was a draw; 2) Ed would play on until someone dragged him
outside.
I don't know if this is what happened, but if one should point out a
victim in this situation it's Sofia, not Ed.
mic
Ed Schroder
From: "Howard Exner" <hex...@dlcwest.com>
Subject: Rebel - S. Polgar
: Is this not a win for Rebel? It is from their game from round three
: at Aegon '97. Is there a move limit imposed by the Tournament commitee?
: [Event "AEGON Chess Tournament"]
: I'm guessing that Polgar knew that if she reached move 120 it would
: be declared a draw. Is that what happened? How much time did each
: opponents use?
It's was entirely my own fault!
After 120. Kb1 I offered Sofia a draw.
She looked surprised, smiled and accepted the draw and added, "I was
just planning to resign"...
I assume that after 5 hours playing and a local time of 00:15 I wasn't
thinking clearly anymore. Also I didn't want to go for a second round to
wait for a "pawn move" of Rebel another 50 moves.
I also (due to the time pressure) forgot to take a look at Rebel's
score which suddenly went up from +2.00 to +4.00
Just one of these days that everything goes wrong...
Feeling something better today.
Just a little...
- Ed Schroder -
: --
: Howard
Enrique Irazoqui
Ed Schroder <rebc...@xs4all.nl> escribió en artículo
<5j9sfp$f0r$1...@news1.xs4all.nl>...
>
> It's was entirely my own fault!
>
> After 120. Kb1 I offered Sofia a draw.
>
> She looked surprised, smiled and accepted the draw and added, "I was
> just planning to resign"...
>
> I assume that after 5 hours playing and a local time of 00:15 I wasn't
> thinking clearly anymore. Also I didn't want to go for a second round to
> wait for a "pawn move" of Rebel another 50 moves.
>
> I also (due to the time pressure) forgot to take a look at Rebel's
> score which suddenly went up from +2.00 to +4.00
>
> Just one of these days that everything goes wrong...
> Feeling something better today.
I don't see why.
> Just a little...
You should feel worse by the hour, not better. Your boss should fire you.
:(((
Enrique
eric fitch
miK wrote:
>
> "Howard Exner" <hex...@dlcwest.com> wrote:
> >Is this not a win for Rebel? It is from their game from round three at Aegon
> >'97. Is there a move limit imposed by the Tournament commitee?
> >be declared a draw. Is that what happened? How much time did each opponents
> >use?
>
> thereafter 30 seconds/move.
> By the time I left - approximately move 82 - everyone was convinced 1)
> this was a draw; 2) Ed would play on until someone dragged him
> outside.
> I don't know if this is what happened, but if one should point out a
> victim in this situation it's Sofia, not Ed.
> mic
Don't understand this. At move 82, the game does not look like a draw to
me, nor to Rebel. My copy of Rebel8, at ply9, sees itself at +2.10 in
this position. Why should Ed have offered a draw here?
Robert Hyatt
eric fitch (eric...@sprynet.com) wrote:
It was at +2 for 50 moves or so. And wasn't making much progress. It was
a difficult ending. It seems that Rebel might have found a way to win right
at the end, but Ed overlooked what was happening, according to his post. :(
Ed Schroder
From: "Enrique Irazoqui" <en...@lix.intercom.es>
: Ed Schroder <rebc...@xs4all.nl> escribió en artículo
: > It's was entirely my own fault!
: > After 120. Kb1 I offered Sofia a draw.
: > She looked surprised, smiled and accepted the draw and added, "I was
: > just planning to resign"...
: > I assume that after 5 hours playing and a local time of 00:15 I wasn't
: > thinking clearly anymore. Also I didn't want to go for a second round
to
: > wait for a "pawn move" of Rebel another 50 moves.
: > I also (due to the time pressure) forgot to take a look at Rebel's
: > score which suddenly went up from +2.00 to +4.00
: > Just one of these days that everything goes wrong...
: > Feeling something better today.
: I don't see why.
: > Just a little...
: You should feel worse by the hour, not better. Your boss should fire
you.
: :(((
Enrique,
Salt in an open wound huh?
You should have lots of compassion instead.
Trying to entertain you and what is my reward?
Now who should feel worse by the hour?
- Ed Schroder -
: Enrique
Ed Schroder
From: fwi...@dataweb.nl (miK)
: "Howard Exner" <hex...@dlcwest.com> wrote:
: >Is this not a win for Rebel? It is from their game from round three at
Aegon
: >'97. Is there a move limit imposed by the Tournament commitee?
: >I'm guessing that Polgar knew that if she reached move 120 it would
: >be declared a draw. Is that what happened? How much time did each
opponents
: >use?
: In the Aegon tournament *Fischer* is used; both players get 1.5 hour,
: thereafter 30 seconds/move.
: By the time I left - approximately move 82 - everyone was convinced 1)
: this was a draw; 2) Ed would play on until someone dragged him
: outside.
: I don't know if this is what happened, but if one should point out a
: victim in this situation it's Sofia, not Ed.
: mic
I disagree.
The endgame with 2 pawns up is simply won for white as most endgames
are with 2 pawns up.
- Ed Schroder -
chrisw
--
http://www.demon.co.uk/oxford-soft
Ed Schroder <rebc...@xs4all.nl> wrote in article
<5j9sfp$f0r$1...@news1.xs4all.nl>...
> From: "Howard Exner" <hex...@dlcwest.com>
>
> Subject: Rebel - S. Polgar
>
> : Is this not a win for Rebel? It is from their game from round three
> : at Aegon '97. Is there a move limit imposed by the Tournament commitee?
>
> : I'm guessing that Polgar knew that if she reached move 120 it would
> : be declared a draw. Is that what happened? How much time did each
> : opponents use?
>
> It's was entirely my own fault!
>
> After 120. Kb1 I offered Sofia a draw.
>
> She looked surprised, smiled and accepted the draw and added, "I was
> just planning to resign"...
>
> I assume that after 5 hours playing and a local time of 00:15 I wasn't
> thinking clearly anymore. Also I didn't want to go for a second round to
> wait for a "pawn move" of Rebel another 50 moves.
>
> I also (due to the time pressure) forgot to take a look at Rebel's
> score which suddenly went up from +2.00 to +4.00
>
> Just one of these days that everything goes wrong...
> Feeling something better today.
> Just a little...
She's very beautiful, Ed :)
> .... I offered Sofia ...
>
> She looked surprised, smiled and accepted ......
>
> .... I wasn't thinking clearly anymore.
>
> ... due to the ...pressure ... suddenly went up
>
> .... one of these days that everything goes ...
>
> Feeling something better today.
>
> Just a little...
>
> - Ed Schroder -
We understand :)
Don't worry, we won't tell your wife :)
Chris Whittington
Ed Schroder
From: "chrisw" <chr...@cpsoft.demon.co.uk>
: --
: http://www.demon.co.uk/oxford-soft
: Ed Schroder <rebc...@xs4all.nl> wrote in article
: > Just one of these days that everything goes wrong...
: > Feeling something better today.
: > Just a little...
: She's very beautiful, Ed :)
Indeed, see http://www.aegon.nl/chess/nl/nl71.html
Perhaps I was another victim of Sofia's charm?
Yeah, that must be the reason... :)
: We understand :)
: Don't worry, we won't tell your wife :)
No please don't!
Otherwise my wife wants to operate next time!
Perhaps Enrique is right and my wife should fire me... :)
- The incompetent operator -
: Chris Whittington
Herbert Groot Jebbink
On 20 Apr 1997 06:52:13 GMT, Ed Schroder <rebc...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>: By the time I left - approximately move 82 - everyone was convinced 1)
>: this was a draw; 2) Ed would play on until someone dragged him
>: outside.
>I disagree.
>The endgame with 2 pawns up is simply won for white as most endgames
>are with 2 pawns up.
I think when people were convinced that is was a draw, it was not
based at the position at the board but at how Rebel did play it, eq
not moving a pawn for a lot of moves.
Greetings, Herbert
---
The Trans-Siberian Railroad Page, http://www.xs4all.nl/~hgj/
Komputer Korner
> >
> > It's was entirely my own fault!
> >
> > After 120. Kb1 I offered Sofia a draw.
> >
> > She looked surprised, smiled and accepted the draw and added, "I was
> > just planning to resign"...
> >
> > I assume that after 5 hours playing and a local time of 00:15 I wasn't
> > thinking clearly anymore. Also I didn't want to go for a second round to
> > wait for a "pawn move" of Rebel another 50 moves.
> >
> > I also (due to the time pressure) forgot to take a look at Rebel's
> > score which suddenly went up from +2.00 to +4.00
> >
> > Feeling something better today.
>
>
> > Just a little...
>
> You should feel worse by the hour, not better. Your boss should fire you.
> :(((
>
> Enrique
If Ed will put a full etiquette function into his program, then he can
sit back and never interfere with the games of his program. I advise
that he put a variable resign option based on the strength of the
program.
--
Komputer Korner
The inkompetent komputer.
Tom C. Kerrigan
Komputer Korner (kor...@netcom.ca) wrote:
> If Ed will put a full etiquette function into his program, then he can
> sit back and never interfere with the games of his program. I advise
> that he put a variable resign option based on the strength of the
> program.
Putting stuff in a program is just asking for problems...
(With any luck, that'll get in a quote dictionary... :)
Cheers,
Tom
mclane
fwi...@dataweb.nl (miK) wrote:
>In the Aegon tournament *Fischer* is used; both players get 1.5 hour,
>thereafter 30 seconds/move.
>By the time I left - approximately move 82 - everyone was convinced 1)
>this was a draw; 2) Ed would play on until someone dragged him
>outside.
>I don't know if this is what happened, but if one should point out a
>victim in this situation it's Sofia, not Ed.
>mic
Ed is a gentleman! :-)
No - ed is also a human-beeing and made an operator - mistake by
deciding himself to early: it is a draw.
mclane
>Indeed, see http://www.aegon.nl/chess/nl/nl71.html
>Perhaps I was another victim of Sofia's charm?
>Yeah, that must be the reason... :)
>: We understand :)
>: Don't worry, we won't tell your wife :)
>No please don't!
>Otherwise my wife wants to operate next time!
>Perhaps Enrique is right and my wife should fire me... :)
>- The incompetent operator -
>: Chris Whittington
If it comes to a firing Ed, ask me for advise. I am knowledged in this
area and my lawyers have won several fights.
miK
mcl...@prima.ruhr.de (mclane) wrote:
>fwi...@dataweb.nl (miK) wrote:
Especially for you an extra bold statement, mclane: if Sofia were a
man she would not have made a wrong move in this *clearly a draw*
endgame...
... and (1) she would have shown the 2 guys that were convinced *this
was a draw* are right (by coincidence adding up their personal
ELO-ratings matches Sofia's) and (2) Ed would not have had the
opportunity to show his gentle side ;-)
mic