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Steve Willner
Nov 20, 2011, 9:30:23 PM11/20/11
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A possibly interesting hand from a team event this past weekend:
AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
West is dealer, and South will overcall 1S or 2S if possible. Suggest a
plausible sequence that will lead to 7H if ? is a small card but to 7NT
if ? is D-Q. (Those contracts are where you want to be, right?)
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AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
West is dealer, and South will overcall 1S or 2S if possible. Suggest a
plausible sequence that will lead to 7H if ? is a small card but to 7NT
if ? is D-Q. (Those contracts are where you want to be, right?)
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KWSchneider
Nov 20, 2011, 10:22:46 PM11/20/11
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> Cambridge, MA 02138 USA
In my strong club variant, it would go [assuming the first hand is
WEST]:
1C (P) 1S (2S) #showing GF and 5+hearts
X (P) 3H (P) #West agrees hearts, East shows 6 to 1 top honor
4C (P) 4N (P) #Club ask, shows A
5D (P) 6C (P) #Diamond ask, shows singleton [no way to find singleton
Q...]
7H (AP) #setting up long diamond for 7
No way we can find singleton DQ for 7N...
Kurt
axm...@hotmail.com
Nov 21, 2011, 8:41:08 AM11/21/11
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auction would go
[? Denotes either unknown info or don’t remember the steps]
[it is conceivable that there is not enough room for the third D ask]
1C-P-1H-1S
then
1N-2H
3H-4?
4D-4??
5D-5?
6D-6?
7?
1C-16+ art
1H-8+, 5+H
1N-control ask A=2
2H-3 controls which must be HK, CA
3H-trump ask
4?-Hxxxxx+
4D-D controls?
4??-second round
5D-define D control [honor or shortness
5?- stiff
6D-which stiff
6?- ???
7?- done
regards
axman
derek
Nov 21, 2011, 10:45:30 AM11/21/11
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On Nov 20, 10:30 pm, Steve Willner <swill...@nhcc.net> wrote:
> A possibly interesting hand from a team event this past weekend:
>
> AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
>
> West is dealer, and South will overcall 1S or 2S if possible. Suggest a
> plausible sequence that will lead to 7H if ? is a small card but to 7NT
> if ? is D-Q. (Those contracts are where you want to be, right?)
No. Why would I ever care to reach a possibly chancy 7N in an IMP
> A possibly interesting hand from a team event this past weekend:
>
> AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
>
> West is dealer, and South will overcall 1S or 2S if possible. Suggest a
> plausible sequence that will lead to 7H if ? is a small card but to 7NT
> if ? is D-Q. (Those contracts are where you want to be, right?)
game? Getting to, and making, 7N is only good for bragging rights.
2C - 2D
2N!- 3D* (! - 22-24; * - transfer)
3H - 4N
5x! - 5N (! 3 keys)
6x! - 7H
2C - 2N! (! - positive response in hearts)
3H - 4N ...
Lorne
Nov 21, 2011, 12:38:40 PM11/21/11
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"derek" wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 10:30 pm, Steve Willner <swill...@nhcc.net> wrote:
> A possibly interesting hand from a team event this past weekend:
>
> AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
>
> West is dealer, and South will overcall 1S or 2S if possible. Suggest a
> plausible sequence that will lead to 7H if ? is a small card but to 7NT
> if ? is D-Q. (Those contracts are where you want to be, right?)
No. Why would I ever care to reach a possibly chancy 7N in an IMP
game?
..........................................
I think you misread something. If the ? card is a Q then 7N is 100% on any
distribution but 7H is off if S is on lead with 7 spades.
Obviously those with complex relay systems can get there, but I assume the
OP is asking if it is possible without any fancy understandings:
2C - 2H
3H - 4C
4N - 5H (2 keycards)
6D - ? (asking for D help)
So it depends on whether you have discussed what constitutes help in this
auction and what you bid with if you have it. If you assume you are going
to a grand with help then 7H with a singleton and 6N with a high honor seems
a reasonable understanding and will get you there. Also if you have agreed
that only a high honor is help you get there.
Without a firm belief that we have agreed something it is not worth
considering 7N IMO.
news:6c592bb5-e955-4fe0...@w1g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 20, 10:30 pm, Steve Willner <swill...@nhcc.net> wrote:
> A possibly interesting hand from a team event this past weekend:
>
> AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
>
> West is dealer, and South will overcall 1S or 2S if possible. Suggest a
> plausible sequence that will lead to 7H if ? is a small card but to 7NT
> if ? is D-Q. (Those contracts are where you want to be, right?)
No. Why would I ever care to reach a possibly chancy 7N in an IMP
game?
I think you misread something. If the ? card is a Q then 7N is 100% on any
distribution but 7H is off if S is on lead with 7 spades.
Obviously those with complex relay systems can get there, but I assume the
OP is asking if it is possible without any fancy understandings:
2C - 2H
3H - 4C
4N - 5H (2 keycards)
6D - ? (asking for D help)
So it depends on whether you have discussed what constitutes help in this
auction and what you bid with if you have it. If you assume you are going
to a grand with help then 7H with a singleton and 6N with a high honor seems
a reasonable understanding and will get you there. Also if you have agreed
that only a high honor is help you get there.
Without a firm belief that we have agreed something it is not worth
considering 7N IMO.
boblipton
Nov 21, 2011, 3:21:50 PM11/21/11
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On Nov 20, 9:30 pm, Steve Willner <swill...@nhcc.net> wrote:
> A possibly interesting hand from a team event this past weekend:
>
> AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
>
> West is dealer, and South will overcall 1S or 2S if possible. Suggest a
> plausible sequence that will lead to 7H if ? is a small card but to 7NT
> if ? is D-Q. (Those contracts are where you want to be, right?)
>
> --
I'm pretty sure any such auction would involve someone asking in
> A possibly interesting hand from a team event this past weekend:
>
> AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
>
> West is dealer, and South will overcall 1S or 2S if possible. Suggest a
> plausible sequence that will lead to 7H if ? is a small card but to 7NT
> if ? is D-Q. (Those contracts are where you want to be, right?)
>
> --
Gerber and partner answering in Blackwood. However, in my
partnership, the auction would go something like
2C(1) 2S(2)
2NT(3) 3D(4)
3H 4H(5)
6H
Assuming the ? is not an ace or King
(1) Game minus 1 or 22+HCP
(2) An unspecified ace and an unspecified king.
(3) 22-24, flattish
(4) Transfer
(5) Six hearts. No extras.
Bob
metobillc
Nov 21, 2011, 5:21:46 PM11/21/11
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> Cambridge, MA 02138 USA
Modified Viking Relay Precision, if intervenor doubles the artificial
1S bid.
All of opener's bids are asks, starting with 1N:
1C-1S (8+HCP, 5+ hearts) - (Dbl)
1N-2C (min (8-10))
2D-2S (1-suiter)
2N-3D (6331 hand)
3H-3N (3=6=1=3)
4C-4D (one ace)
4S-4N (one king)
At this point responder is known to hold xxx Kxxxxx x Axx with at
least a J somewhere
5C-5H (no queens)
7H (2 spades, 6 hearts, 2 diamonds, 2 clubs, and a club ruff)
5C-5D (one queen)
5S-6H (the QD)
7N
If intervenor bids 2S instead:
3H (sets suit)-4C (cuebid, lacks serious slam interest)
4N (RKC)-5H (2 without)
6D (3rd round control ask)
6H denies third round control, 7H shows third round control by
shortness (doubleton), 7D shows the QD.
So we can still get to 7H without the QD, and 7N with it.
Bill
OldPalooka
Nov 21, 2011, 7:54:27 PM11/21/11
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On Nov 20, 6:30 pm, Steve Willner <swill...@nhcc.net> wrote:
would like to be there at match points regardless of the size of
the ?; obviously not so without the gratuitous information.
In a SAYC type auction starting 2C-(P)-2H-(2S), 7NT is biddable
opposite the DQ if opener rebids 3D. On reflection, that appears to
be better than my reflexive pass, since there is an excellent chance
the DQ is the 13the trick at NT. Pass makes it easy to get to 7H
after responder rebids 3C, but it should be easy enough to get to 7H
anyway, and 7D may in fact be the best spot if we are missing 5 hearts
to the J.
So, 2C-(P)-2H-(2S)
3D 3H
3S 4C
4NT 5H
5NT 7H w/o Q and 7NT w/Q seems indicated.
-- Bill Shutts
Steve Willner
Nov 21, 2011, 10:05:06 PM11/21/11
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SW> AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
On 11/21/2011 7:54 PM, OldPalooka wrote:
> I would expect to make 7NT without the DQ after 2C-(P)-2H-(2S) and
> would like to be there at match points regardless of the size of
> the ?;
Do you mean seeing both hands? Yes, even if ? is an x, there's probably
a squeeze for the 13th trick, though it looks to me as though you have
to guess who has D-Q. Looks like an interesting play problem on, say, a
spade lead. Unless I'm missing something -- quite possible! -- I think
I'd want to be in 7NT only in a strong field.
I appreciate all the responses so far, but I'll be traveling for the
holiday. I'll report our actual results no earlier than the weekend,
but I still am eager to see other comments.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
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On 11/21/2011 7:54 PM, OldPalooka wrote:
> I would expect to make 7NT without the DQ after 2C-(P)-2H-(2S) and
> would like to be there at match points regardless of the size of
> the ?;
a squeeze for the 13th trick, though it looks to me as though you have
to guess who has D-Q. Looks like an interesting play problem on, say, a
spade lead. Unless I'm missing something -- quite possible! -- I think
I'd want to be in 7NT only in a strong field.
I appreciate all the responses so far, but I'll be traveling for the
holiday. I'll report our actual results no earlier than the weekend,
but I still am eager to see other comments.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
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John R. Mayne
Nov 21, 2011, 11:54:07 PM11/21/11
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On Nov 20, 6:30 pm, Steve Willner <swill...@nhcc.net> wrote:
> A possibly interesting hand from a team event this past weekend:
>
> AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
>
> West is dealer, and South will overcall 1S or 2S if possible. Suggest a
> plausible sequence that will lead to 7H if ? is a small card but to 7NT
> if ? is D-Q. (Those contracts are where you want to be, right?)
>
Maybe.
>
> AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
>
> West is dealer, and South will overcall 1S or 2S if possible. Suggest a
> plausible sequence that will lead to 7H if ? is a small card but to 7NT
> if ? is D-Q. (Those contracts are where you want to be, right?)
>
2C-2N
3H-4C
4N-5S
5N-?
2C: Strong, artificial, forcing.
2N: 5+ hearts to the A or K, useful hand.
3H: Rightsiding, usually big-notrumpy hand with 3-4 hearts
4C: Cue
4N: RKC
5S: Club control is the ace; one other keycard and trump queen or
extra length
5N: Specific king-ask, or bid 7 with extras (looking for 7N)
The likely response with either E hand is 6H, raised to 7H by W
(showing an interest in 7N.) Maybe the DQ holder bids it here, but I'm
not sure of that. The non-Q holder has already shown this, so he'll
take 7H for sure.
I'm quite happy at teams to get to 7H even with the DQ; if they get a
ruff on the lead, that's sad, but not nearly as sad as being in a 70%
grand vs. a 99% grand if you guess wrong to go to notrump. Take the
money.
--JRM
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Frances
Nov 22, 2011, 7:33:48 AM11/22/11
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diamond ask after keycard.
2C - 2H (2S)
3H - 4C
4NT - 5H
6D* - 6H/6S
7H/7NT
*do you have the KQ of diamonds?
6H = neither
6S = queen but not the king
Steve Willner
Nov 27, 2011, 7:23:36 PM11/27/11
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On 11/20/2011 9:30 PM, Steve Willner wrote:
> AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
> West is dealer, and South will overcall 1S or 2S if possible.
Thanks for all comments. At the table, East did hold D-Q, and we bid to
> AKx AQx AKJ9x Kx opposite xxx KJTxxx ? Axx
> West is dealer, and South will overcall 1S or 2S if possible.
7H as follows:
1C!-1H-(1S) : Polish (multiway) 1C; natural 1H
2D -2H : 18+ HCP, 5+D; 5+H
3H -4C : exactly 3c heart support; C-control (1st or 2nd round)
4NT-5H
7H -P
East knew D-Q was a good card, but was it enough to justify bidding 7NT
after West has taken control? The result was still a 10-imp pickup
against 6NT at the other table (in a match we won easily -- our
teammates were terrific!), but it seems to me it should have been 11.
Our first two rounds of bidding were so promising: already in a GF at 2H
with both of us knowing each other's suit. We just couldn't manage the
later rounds.
Anyway, I very much appreciate all the comments and would be glad to see
more. Perhaps the most practical suggestion was from Frances: have 6D
after Blackwood ask about diamond honors. Is that popular?
As a side comment, I was surprised at people who think East should bid
5S in response to Blackwood. I'd expect a seventh heart for that, even
in the sequences that start with strong 2C.
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