Longest meaningful auction
Gerben Dirksen
I have two questions related to the "number of auctions" thread.
Assuming opponents pass all the time, what is
* The longest meaningful auction.
* The longest meaningful auction that does not leave out a bid (i.e. 1C 1D
1H 1S etc.)
You may pick a system of your choice.
Gerben
Nick Hughes
Think we'll win this one ...
SPAM features a 13+ pass, so
A J654
AK 9753
KT63 AQ74
AK7543 8
Pass 1C 6-10 any
1D 1H spades
1S 1N hearts
2C 2D 3-suited
2H 2S diamonds
2NT 3C 4-4-4-1
3D 3H 4 SPs (3-2-1 scale)
3S 3NT 0/2 in spades (no AKQ or 2 including the ace)
4C 4D 0/2 in hearts
4H 4S 0/2 in diamonds
4NT 5C 0 spades
5D 5H 0 hearts
5S 5NT no DJ (East now nows that West knows he has D-AQ)
6D no
West bids to 2NT are shape relays, 3D asks for strength, rest is denial
cuebidding. 5NT is the last relay, West would try 7D if East showed DJ.
The DCB is a bit clunky but does the job eventually. It's good for West
that East has no major honour, implying D-AQ. Of course East doesn't
know that West knows this so we have to go round again to focus on DJ.
Nick Hughes, Sydney
Marc...@chello.nl
> Think we'll win this one ...
Equal result with a WOS and Pass = 13+ :
A KQ
Axxx KQx
Axxxx KQJ
AKQ xxxxx
P - 1C = 6-11 part. bal or 12+ any
1D - 1H = 12+ any
1S - 1NT = 14+ bal. 0r 16+ s/void
2C - 2D= 14-17 minor balanced OR ++ else
2H - 2S= 14-17 balanced clubs
2NT - 3C = 5332 or 2=2=4=5 14-15p. (stiff KQ deduct 1 p.)
3D - 3H = 2=3=3=5 or 2=2=4=5
3S - 3NT = 2=3=3=5
4C - 4D = 0 or 3 Aces/5 if 3 then no QC
4H - 4S = non or KQ H
4NT - 5C = non or KQ D
5D - 5H = non or KQ S
5S - 5NT = no Jack clubs
6D - 6H = no Jack H
6S - 7C = Jack D
7NT = P
P = 13+ any shape
1D = 13+ balanced or ++ else
1S = 18+ bal. or 17+ else
2C = 18+ bal. or 21+ else
2H-3S = relays
4C = SLam Asking Bid C
4H = Suit Asking Bid H
4NT = Suit Asking Bid D
5D = Suit Asking Bid S
5S = scan Jacks start with clubs
regards,
Marcel
Ian Payn
<Marc...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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++++Excellent! In the other room, 2NT - 5NT - 7NT, lead, claim, drinkies.
Bob Lipton
I believe it was Terrence Reese who, after listening to a Moscito
auction, announced "I was a youg man when it began."
Bob
henry...@yahoo.com
If I recall correctly, Rubin-Granovetter, in Challenge the Champs, had
a 17-18 round auction. The curious thing about it is that their
opponents bid something like 2C 2D 3NT or something short and sweet
because their new suit rebid after the 2C opening bid was by agreement
not forcing. I think the hands were something like:
xx
Txxx
xx
Jxxxx
AKQJx
AKQx
AK
Kx
Perhaps someone with more time and easier access to the late 1970s
Bridge Worlds can provide some more accurate information.
Henrysun909
Marc...@chello.nl
> ++++Excellent! In the other room, 2NT - 5NT - 7NT, lead, claim, drinkies.
give West
AJ KQ
AJx KQx
Axxxx KQJ
AKJ xxxxx
and I presume your same auction, the drinkies can be not so sweet.
Whilst with this west hand
and in east f.e. an 11HCP with Kxx, xx, KQJ, Qxxxx it's a simple
grand.
To investigate such matters properly, I can't avoid long(er) auctions.
Otis Bricker
news:1153151239.2...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> Gerben Dirksen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have two questions related to the "number of auctions" thread.
>> Assuming opponents pass all the time, what is
>>
>> * The longest meaningful auction.
>> * The longest meaningful auction that does not leave out a bid (i.e.
>> 1C 1D 1H 1S etc.)
>>
>> You may pick a system of your choice.
>>
>> Gerben
>
> If I recall correctly, Rubin-Granovetter, in Challenge the Champs, had
> a 17-18 round auction. The curious thing about it is that their
> opponents bid something like 2C 2D 3NT or something short and sweet
> because their new suit rebid after the 2C opening bid was by agreement
> not forcing. I think the hands were something like:
>
> xx
> Txxx
> xx
> Jxxxx
>
> AKQJx
> AKQx
> AK
> Kx
>
The longest auction I found was 21 bids on the hands
T4
KQ2
9765
AT43
A52
AJT54
AKQJ4
-
-1C
1N-2C
2D-2H
2S-2N
3C-3D
3N-4C
4D-4H
4S-4N
5D-5H
5S-5N
6C-7D
The weaker hand having shown 2344 shape, an A, a K and a Q, A Club Honor,
no D or S honors and no second club honor. Though I cannot match the
auction to the bids as described in The Ultimate Club past the 4H bid.
OB
Bill Jacobs
>
I remember (I think!) two things about that hand.
1. Their final contract was 5NT, and it scored approximately 8 out of 10.
2. They missed two bids, eg. 3C and 4D. That seems consistent with
Henry's report of a 17-18 round auction - it would be a 33-bid auction. So
I'm sorry Nick Hughes, you do not win.
Cheers ... Bill.
Bill Jacobs
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My arithmetic is wrong. Nick still wins.
I can now only enter the competition for fastest RGB retraction ever.
Tamuel
<Marc...@chello.nl> skrev i meddelandet
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> Nick Hughes wrote:
> > Think we'll win this one ...
>
> Equal result with a WOS and Pass = 13+ :
I can't compete with those, but sometimes the hands will not permit a longer
bidding. This bidding is quite cute, though:
xxxx -
xx AKQJx
Qxx AKxx
xxxx AKxx
p - 1C weak - 16+
1D - 1H weak - hearts or strong
1S - 2C weak - forcing
2D - 2H denies 4+ hearts - forcing
2S - 2N denies Hxxxx(x) in minor and 5-5 - gf
3C - 3D Cxxxx, at least a queen somewhere - relay
3H - 3S no major H - relay
3N - 6C denies Hxxx in minor - to play
p
An explanation:
Ian Payn
<Marc...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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> Ian Payn wrote:
>
>> ++++Excellent! In the other room, 2NT - 5NT - 7NT, lead, claim, drinkies.
>
> give West
>
> AJ KQ
> AJx KQx
> Axxxx KQJ
> AKJ xxxxx
>
> and I presume your same auction, the drinkies can be not so sweet.
++++Might be. Might not be.
Nick Hughes
Reese would barely have heard of Moscito. Quote sounds like Kaplan but
isn't.
From The Bridge World home page:
Once, when his opponents in a world-championship match took an unusually
long time to act, the late Lee Hazen remarked, "I was a young man when
this deal began."
Nick