On Feb 10, 10:09 pm, sofos <papakon...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> You are West. The auction proceeds as follows
> West North East South
> P 1D dbl 1H
> ??
> You have a maximum pass with 4 spades and 4 clubs. What would
> a. 2D show?
> b. 2H show?
> c. Double show?
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I think Robson-Segal differentiated choice of Q-bids by which of their
suits was also suggested.
(I may have the wrong source. Check Partnership Bidding iB)
EG. 2D: blacks, but H-okay; 2H: blacks, but D-okay; Dbl: invite+,
you pick our black.
That seems a reasonable partition of these 2 Q-bids.
Hmmm, not Robson-Segal, at least not for the double.
Pg 391 (text) penalty doubles when: partner has made a takeout double,
then RHO bids one of the unbid suits. (with (1H)-X-(1S)-X as an
example auction)
Maybe you can likewise cite where the meanings of the cue-bids can be
found?
BTW, I think 2H is natural, at least 5H (the double usually only 4H),
2D the only cue-bid.
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:02:31 -0800 (PST), "dak...@aol.com"
<dak...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Feb 10, 10:09 pm, sofos <papakon...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> You are West. The auction proceeds as follows
>> West North East South
>> P 1D dbl 1H
>> ??
>> You have a maximum pass with 4 spades and 4 clubs. What would
>> a. 2D show?
>> b. 2H show?
>> c. Double show?
>************
>I think Robson-Segal differentiated choice of Q-bids by which of their
>suits was also suggested.
>(I may have the wrong source. Check Partnership Bidding iB)
>EG. 2D: blacks, but H-okay; 2H: blacks, but D-okay; Dbl: invite+,
>you pick our black.
>That seems a reasonable partition of these 2 Q-bids.
On Feb 10, 7:09 pm, sofos <papakon...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> You are West. The auction proceeds as follows
> West North East South
> P 1D dbl 1H
> ??
> You have a maximum pass with 4 spades and 4 clubs. What would
> a. 2D show?
> b. 2H show?
> c. Double show?
X = 4 decent hearts
2D = better than inv hand
2H = natural. 5 good hearts.
On Feb 10, 10:09 pm, sofos <papakon...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> You are West. The auction proceeds as follows
> West North East South
> P 1D dbl 1H
> ??
> You have a maximum pass with 4 spades and 4 clubs. What would
> a. 2D show?
A cue-bid. Pretty much the hand you have.
> b. 2H show?
Long Hearts, natural. Not forcing.
> c. Double show?
Penalty. Four Hearts, might be three. This implies a desire to
penalize them if/when they run to Diamonds or having a good idea what
to do over Diamonds.
On Feb 11, 3:09 am, sofos <papakon...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> You are West. The auction proceeds as follows
> West North East South
> P 1D dbl 1H
> ??
> You have a maximum pass with 4 spades and 4 clubs. What would
> a. 2D show?
> b. 2H show?
> c. Double show?
a. decent hand with spades & clubs. It's fairly common to play this as
slightly weaker than after 1D dbl P in that traditionally 1D dbl P 2D
promises another bid from advancer, but 1D dbl 1H 2D doesn't have to.
b. 5 hearts, non-forcing
c. Either 4 hearts, decent values or a hand with 5+ hearts too strong
(or otherwise unsuitable) to bid 2H, 3H or 4H.
On Friday, February 10, 2012 7:09:30 PM UTC-8, sofos wrote:
> You are West. The auction proceeds as follows
> West North East South
> P 1D dbl 1H
> ??
> You have a maximum pass with 4 spades and 4 clubs. What would
> a. 2D show?
> b. 2H show?
> c. Double show?
West North East South
P 1D dbl 1H
??
You have a maximum pass with 4 spades and 4 clubs. What would
a. 2D show?
b. 2H show?
c. Double show?
...............
a) decent hand - expect to have the balance of power
b) to play, 5 hearts
c) decent hand with 4 hearts that was going to bid 2H or 2D followed by a heart bid.
On Feb 10, 10:09 pm, sofos <papakon...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> You are West. The auction proceeds as follows
> West North East South
> P 1D dbl 1H
> ??
> You have a maximum pass with 4 spades and 4 clubs. What would
> a. 2D show?
> b. 2H show?
> c. Double show?
Almost everyone is distinguishing between Double and 2H solely by the
number of Hearts, Double showing four, 2H showing five. I agree in
general. However, I think advancer's Diamond holding may make the
Double advisable with five, and I might Double with three in certain
circumstances.
Examples:
AX JTXXX KJXXX X if I have this hand and partner isn't very poor in
one of the black suits, they have nowhere to play the hand. I am going
to double and then double the likely Diamond runout. If they bid a
black suit and partner doesn't smack it, or if partner bids, I will
bid the Hearts.
XXX KQX AJXXX X Again, they may have NOWHERE to play the hand.
> You are West. The auction proceeds as follows
> West North East South
> P 1D dbl 1H
> ??
> What would
> a. 2D show?
> b. 2H show?
> c. Double show?
I'm not surprised at the answers, but I am surprised so many people thing there's no alternative. I think the best method is:
a = diamonds, non-forcing but not a worthless hand
b = strong hand, artificial, forcing to at least 3S
c = penalty, usually 4 or more hearts but occasionally 3
If you often double off-shape, I understand the need to distinguish between four hearts and five+, but I don't understand it if your doubles are either three-suited or balanced, very strong.
> You have a maximum pass with 4 spades and 4 clubs.
It's hard to tell from that whether 2S is enough or whether I'd bid 2H. It depends on the exact shape and honor placement. Of course if your partner is like most of the posters here, 2H would be impossible, but you could consider 2D instead. In an unfamiliar partnership, it might be safest to stick to 2S. An alternative if you are 4324 is double, planning to bid spades later. The flaw is that "later" might be at the three level or higher, which would be uncomfortable.
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