Bid or Pass?
Jonathan Worters
In a local club pairs game, neither side vulnerable, dealer North, I
am South holding:- S Jxxxx
H J
D QJxx
C xxx
Bidding N E S W
1D P 1S X
P 4H P P
4S P P 5H
X P P? P
My partner has 6 diamonds and 3 spades, and 5Hx is two off but 5S is a
make.
How should I interpret partner's double? Should I understand it as
please take no further action, or is it pass or bid if you wish?
Incidentally what would redouble after West's DTO mean?
Jon Worters
Thomas Dehn
In article <357f2ba...@news.btinternet.com>,
Jonathan Worters <jonathan...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Bidding N E S W
> 1D P 1S X
> P 4H P P
> 4S P P 5H
> X P P? P
>
The double shows "this is our hand, and I expect 5H to
go down". I would have considered biddinbg 5S on the
basis of the DQJxx if the S suit were stronger, say, KJxxx
instead of Jxxxx.
Thomas
Giovanni Bobbio
In article <357f2ba...@news.btinternet.com>,
jonathan...@btinternet.com (Jonathan Worters) wrote:
>
> In a local club pairs game, neither side vulnerable, dealer North, I
> am South holding:- S Jxxxx
> H J
> D QJxx
> C xxx
>
> 1D P 1S X
> P 4H P P
> 4S P P 5H
> X P P? P
>
> make.
>
> How should I interpret partner's double? Should I understand it as
> please take no further action, or is it pass or bid if you wish?
> Incidentally what would redouble after West's DTO mean?
There is nothing forcing in your pair's sequence, so partner's double shows a
useful hand in both offense and defense (is this what they call convertible
values?). You must know that pulling is right, having the (hoped for) 5th
spade and those wonderful diamonds. For what pard knows you could be KQxx,
xx, Jxx, Qxxx, and you'd pass the double. Of course the lack of definition of
the redouble over West's double makes it more difficult to infer an exact
hand for partner. Many people use it to show precisely three spades.
> Jon Worters
Giovanni
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Robin Michaels
Jonathan Worters (jonathan...@btinternet.com) wrote:
: In a local club pairs game, neither side vulnerable, dealer North, I
: am South holding:- S Jxxxx
: H J
: D QJxx
: C xxx
: Bidding N E S W
: 1D P 1S X
: P 4H P P
: 4S P P 5H
: X P P? P
: My partner has 6 diamonds and 3 spades, and 5Hx is two off but 5S is a
: make.
: How should I interpret partner's double? Should I understand it as
: please take no further action, or is it pass or bid if you wish?
: Incidentally what would redouble after West's DTO mean?
: Jon Worters
I think that your partners hand is ratehr strictly limited by his failure
to bid 4S directly over 1S-X. This can only mean that he has doubts about
4S making, but while having some defence to H, doesn't wish to defend 4H,
for fear of it making. Presumably the intention was to rebid S at the 3
level over 3H, perhaps. In this context, the X of 5H must be seen as
being penalty. Perhaps partner bid 4S with the precise intention of
pushing them to 5H.
On the other hand, you have an undisclosed double fit.
Partner surely has 4S and 5 or 6 D, and may be expecting some D tricks on
defence. With a double fit, bidding on looks advisable.
(with only 3S, I disaprove of the 4S bid, of course)
This is a tough one, though.
Robin
kag...@ecr.net
>In a local club pairs game, neither side vulnerable, dealer North, I
>am South holding:- S Jxxxx
> H J
> D QJxx
> C xxx
>
>Bidding N E S W
> 1D P 1S X
> P 4H P P
> 4S P P 5H
> X P P? P
>
>My partner has 6 diamonds and 3 spades, and 5Hx is two off but 5S is a
>make.
>
>How should I interpret partner's double? Should I understand it as
>please take no further action, or is it pass or bid if you wish?
>Incidentally what would redouble after West's DTO mean?
>
>Jon Worters
I'm still trying to interpret what partner has!
You can't always guess right. I think you are in an impossible
position here unless you can devine the meaning of taking a push to
4S, then doubling 5H, all after having passed the TO double of your
1S.
It seems to me, without knowing your strength requirements, that a
rebid of 2D by partner would have made the bidding a lot easier for
you. If he then bids 4S and doubles 5H you would know your side has at
most 8 cards in the rounded suits, at least half of which are
worthless.
On the actual auction, bidding 5S is very difficult. I would expect
most who did would not do so expecting to make, but for fear of 5H*
making. Bit of an anti-partnership bid.
BTW, most would likely play the redouble as showing 3 card spade
support. A useful treatment.
Don
Andy Bowles
jonathan...@btinternet.com (Jonathan Worters) wrote:
>In a local club pairs game, neither side vulnerable, dealer North, I
>am South holding:- S Jxxxx
> H J
> D QJxx
> C xxx
>
>Bidding N E S W
> 1D P 1S X
> P 4H P P
> 4S P P 5H
> X P P? P
>
>My partner has 6 diamonds and 3 spades, and 5Hx is two off but 5S is a
>make.
>
>How should I interpret partner's double? Should I understand it as
>please take no further action, or is it pass or bid if you wish?
The only thing that you can infer from your partner's bidding is that
he is barking mad. There really isn't any hand which is suitable for
a pass on the second round and 4S on the third.
>Incidentally what would redouble after West's DTO mean?
Everyone in America seems to think it should show three card support.
I have never understood why, playing five card majors and a strong no
trump, they don't play 1NT as three card support and redouble as a
good hand. Can anyone enlighten me?
In the UK (it says "btinternet.com"), where the majority play 4 card
majors and a weak no trump, redouble is usually played as showing any
good hand without primary spade support.
Andy Bowles
Daniel ROGER
I pass, partner has decided to have his own council. I don't have any thing
new to tell my partner.
Redouble show cards with or without spades. They may be stuck without
anywhere to go. Without a strong hand and with distrution or spades you
take action at once.
Partner here must be quite strong, (Else it's difficult to visualise two
down at 5H). He should have redoubled.
Don't regret 5S, with only 8 spades I don't think it's such a great
contract.
Jonathan Worters <jonathan...@btinternet.com> a écrit dans l'article
<357f2ba...@news.btinternet.com>...
> In a local club pairs game, neither side vulnerable, dealer North, I
> am South holding:- S Jxxxx
> H J
> D QJxx
> C xxx
>
> Bidding N E S W
> 1D P 1S X
> P 4H P P
> 4S P P 5H
> X P P? P
>
> My partner has 6 diamonds and 3 spades, and 5Hx is two off but 5S is a
> make.
>
> How should I interpret partner's double? Should I understand it as
> please take no further action, or is it pass or bid if you wish?
> Incidentally what would redouble after West's DTO mean?
>
> Jon Worters
>
>
>
kag...@ecr.net
On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:49:57 GMT, and...@globalnet.co.uk (Andy
Bowles) wrote:
(snip)
>Everyone in America seems to think it should show three card support.
>I have never understood why, playing five card majors and a strong no
>trump, they don't play 1NT as three card support and redouble as a
>good hand. Can anyone enlighten me?
Sure. It has become popular to play the following: 1D - P - IS - 2C
Partner can now double 2C to show 3 card support for spades.
The redouble fits so nicely in this scheme when the bid over 3rd hand
is a double instead of an overcall.
Didn't say it is right, just said it is easy. ;-)
Don
Eric Leong
Jonathan Worters (jonathan...@btinternet.com) wrote:
: In a local club pairs game, neither side vulnerable, dealer North, I
: am South holding:- S Jxxxx
: H J
: D QJxx
: C xxx
: Bidding N E S W
: 1D P 1S X
: P 4H P P
: 4S P P 5H
: X P P? P
: My partner has 6 diamonds and 3 spades, and 5Hx is two off but 5S is a
: make.
: How should I interpret partner's double? Should I understand it as
: please take no further action, or is it pass or bid if you wish?
: Incidentally what would redouble after West's DTO mean?
: Jon Worters
:
Partner's bidding is impossible. With a good hand to make 4S he could
have redoubled earlier or raised spades earlier. Whatever partner bid on
certainly his last double should mean "My 4S bid was a joke. Don't pull
the double." Therefore, I would PASS.
Eric Leong