Can an club game in ACBLscore be scored with combined open and restricted sections?

[Bud H]

My local club often has two sections playing simultaneously:

1. Open section, typically about 11 to 14 tables
2. Limited section (under 300 masterpoints), typically about 4 to 6
tables

Let's assume a 13 table open section and a 5 table limited section.

We would like to set the two sections up in ACBLscore so that the
masterpoint awards in the13 table open section include the 5 tables in
the limited section, e.g., the open section first place masterpoint
award being based on 18 tables, not 13 tables. This would give higher
masterpoint awards to all in the open section compared to running a
single 13 table open section as the only section in play.

Is there a way in "club mode" in ACBLscore to have an open and limited
section playing simultaneously so that there are higher open section
masterpoint awards counting the limited section tables? If so, how do
you set it up?

Bud H

[Herb]

That doesn't make sense to me. Unless they're all playing the same
boards and the boards are scored across both sections, but even there
it's a major imbalance. The more usual method is to just have a single
stratified section.
- Herb

[Michael Angelo Ravera]

Piece of cake. When you set up the open section, you will be asked "Is there a Bridge Plus Game" say "No". It will next ask you if this is a flight A event. Say "Yes". It will ask you how many tables there are and you answer with the right number.

After you have done that, the Open event will award extra masterpoints. What you should know is that there is a limit on the masterpoint awards in club games. So, depending up a number of things, your awards may max out at 1.50.

[Herb]

That sounds like just lying about the number of tables in the game. What
am I missing?
- Herb

[Michael Angelo Ravera]

It's not lying. If you are holding a simultaneous limited game, then answering a question about how many tables are in the simultaneous limited game sounds more like telling the truth to me!

For the limited game, you answer "no" to both the "Bridge Plus" and the "Flight A" question.

[Bud H]

It should not matter to my question, but in this case the open and limited section are playing identical boards.

(This is something I always advocated as a learning tool when our club bought a Dealer4 machine.)

Bud H

[Bud H]

You didn't directly say it - but are you saying you enter 18 instead of 13 for the number of tables in the open section?

[Barry Margolin]

In article <38_7t.284365$Yp1....@en-nntp-13.dc1.easynews.com>,

Isn't it essentially the same as the way "Gold Rush" games are done at
regionals?

--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA

[Bud H]

On Apr 7, 1:01 pm, Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <38_7t.284365$Yp1.81...@en-nntp-13.dc1.easynews.com>,

Yes, it's the exact same situation as Gold Rush Pairs being conducted
simultaneously with a higher level pair game at a regional.

The question is whether can you do the same thing IN CLUB MODE (not
tournament mode) in ACBLscore.

You would think you should be able to do it. But I couldn't find the
answer in the ACBLscore manual.

Bud H

[Michael Angelo Ravera]

On Sunday, April 7, 2013 8:02:43 AM UTC-7, Bud H wrote:
> You didn't directly say it - but are you saying you enter 18 instead of 13 for the number of tables in the open section?

No, You set up 13 tables (or whatever you have) in the Open game and answer 5 for tables in lower flights.

[Lone Locust of the Apocalypse]

Herb <He...@the.Herb.garden> writes:
>That sounds like just lying about the number of tables in the game. What
>am I missing?

Without staking out an opinion as to whether this is right or wrong:

One way to look at it is that the people in the limited game could
have entered the open game, and chose not to, so in some sense entrants
into the open game have already "beat" them.

The ACBL regs for tournaments explicitly spell out that certain types
of events get credit for tables in concurrent events depending on when
the events started and which one is longer/more prestigious etc.

I couldn't, on a brief survey of the docs on their web site just now,
find a similar explicit statement regarding club games, but that doesn't
mean it isn't there.

[Bud H]

When setting up the first (open) section, it asks the question "Is
this a flighted event (A different section exists with an upper
masterpoint restriction concurrent with this game)?"

It seems clear that you answer yes to this question.

Then you are asked "Number of tables in the lower masterpoint
restricted section(s)". In this case you would enter "5" as the
number of tables in the limited section. (Although I don't see how
you would change that later if you had a sixth table show up at the
last minute.)

But I think the key question is when you start to set up the second
(limited) section and the first question to answer is whether this is
a separate event. Common sense says you should choose that is the
same event (one event, two sections), but then you are never prompted
to put a masterpoint restriction or stratification for the limited
section. So it may require saying the limited section is a separate
event, although that seems counterintuitive to me.

[Tom Ciacio]

Sections in the same event have to have the same strata and masterpoint rating. In the example you give, they are both pairs games, but the lower-rated section has a different masterpoint limit, and pays masterpoints at a different rate. It is really a flight, rather than a section. That makes it a different event.

[Michael Angelo Ravera]

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:44:01 PM UTC-7, Bud H wrote:

1) If you get a different number of tables than you indicated in the restricted event, you switch to the Open event and select "Set Masterpoint Rating". It will give you another chance to say how many tables are in the lower events.

2) Yes, you need to make these separate events. Otherwise, you will either score across the field or have adjustments for not playing the same number of boards and the same number of times.

3) The Limited game *IS* a separate event! The masterpoint rating is *WAY* different. First it is limited. Second it is a different number of tables. Third it has a masterpoint restriction.