Another Hand from Monday's Local Duplicate
Will in New Haven
KXXX - KX - AK - KXXXX
What is your action?
Let's assume you double, although obviously other actions can be
discussed. It seems likely, from the result, that some players bid 3NT
over 3H.
What do you do if partner bids 4C?
What do you do if partner bds 5C?
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As advancer, you have AX - XX - JXXX - AXXXX on the same auction. Is
partner playing you "for a little something?" Is this significantly
MORE than a little something. What if partner has the same kind of
hand with two Clubs?
I do not like my 4 only C bid with advancer's hand and would not do it
at IMP but partner could have a perfectly normal Takeout Double and we
would have no play for game. Even if I don't infer a doubleton Heart
from my RHO's failure to raise, and I shouldn't, partner could easily
have:
QJXX - X - AKXXX - KXX and 5C is against the odds and not a good
contract at MP. Or, as we have seen, KQXX - XX - AKXXX - KX and 5C is
very much the wrong contract.
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Will in New Haven
Jonathan Campbell
> RHO opens 3H at favorable and you have:
>
> KXXX - KX - AK - KXXXX
>
> What is your action?
>
> Let's assume you double, although obviously other actions can be
> discussed. It seems likely, from the result, that some players bid 3NT
> over 3H.
>
> What do you do if partner bids 4C?
>
> What do you do if partner bds 5C?
Over any response I would pass. A minimum response could be a complete
bust sitting over a trap pass on my left and anything more than a minimum
is game which I think stands to be a good result if it makes and still
probably better than 3H making the other way. I'm not sure I would have
been brave enough to double because I'm not sure I would have been happy
trying to figure out what to bid over 4D, should partner happen to have
three spades, three or four small hearts, five diamonds, and one or two
clubs in a bust or near-bust hand.
>
> --
>
> As advancer, you have AX - XX - JXXX - AXXXX on the same auction. Is
> partner playing you "for a little something?" Is this significantly MORE
> than a little something. What if partner has the same kind of hand with
> two Clubs?
From the looks of my hand I don't want to let my LHO play 3HX. So I can
bid my clubs, my diamonds, or cue the hearts. While not a huge hand, 9
HCP, two quick tricks and a five-card suit headed by the Ace is more than
a minimum forced response. If he's sitting on the proverbial moose
(which he could - anything up to about 24 HCP in theory but say maybe he
was preempted out of a strong 2C opener with a good distributional 20-
count) a minimum response might discourage him from bidding a making game
or even slam (unlikely, I admit) if his hand is good enough, and then we
only look good compared to the people who were spooked out of bidding by
the pre-empt. I bid 5C to show a hand that is considerably more than a
bust forced to bid and a definite preference for clubs and expect that my
partner will be reasonable about it. 5C may go down but that happens
sometimes, I certainly won't get upset, and it may still be a better
result than letting the opponents play in 3H if that makes - certainly
better than 3HX if that makes.
>
> I do not like my 4 only C bid with advancer's hand and would not do it
> at IMP but partner could have a perfectly normal Takeout Double and we
> would have no play for game. Even if I don't infer a doubleton Heart
> from my RHO's failure to raise, and I shouldn't, partner could easily
> have:
>
> QJXX - X - AKXXX - KXX and 5C is against the odds and not a good
> contract at MP. Or, as we have seen, KQXX - XX - AKXXX - KX and 5C is
> very much the wrong contract.
I personally would expect three or better in the unbid suits, old-
fashioned though that may be. A takeout double has forced (or nearly
forced, although I have a hard time imagining what kind of hand I would
have to have to pass 3HX) me to pick one of the other suits and partner
should (1) be aware that clubs might be all I have to bid and, (2) be
able to handle that in a rational manner.
My two cents,
- Jon Campbell
Ottawa CANADA
Rob Tamlyn
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:03:04 -0800, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
>> RHO opens 3H at favorable and you have:
>>
>> KXXX - KX - AK - KXXXX
>>
>> What is your action?
>>
>> Let's assume you double, although obviously other actions can be
>> discussed. It seems likely, from the result, that some players bid 3NT
>> over 3H.
>>
>> What do you do if partner bids 4C?
>>
>> What do you do if partner bds 5C?
>
> Over any response I would pass. A minimum response could be a complete
> bust sitting over a trap pass on my left and anything more than a minimum
> is game which I think stands to be a good result if it makes and still
> probably better than 3H making the other way. I'm not sure I would have
> been brave enough to double because I'm not sure I would have been happy
> trying to figure out what to bid over 4D, should partner happen to have
> three spades, three or four small hearts, five diamonds, and one or two
> clubs in a bust or near-bust hand.
You can not play partner for a complete bust even with a minimum
response. There is not enough bidding room.
You have to try to maximize based on likelihood. Worrying about extremes
or waiting for perfect takeout doubles vs preempts will result in a lot
of good hands with no bid.
I would bid 5C with a random partner and 4H if we have the understanding
that this shows two suits - please help choose.
Rob
Eric Leong
wrote:
> RHO opens 3H at favorable and you have:
>
> KXXX - KX - AK - KXXXX
>
> What is your action?
>
> Let's assume you double, although obviously other actions can be
> discussed. It seems likely, from the result, that some players bid 3NT
> over 3H.
>
> What do you do if partner bids 4C?
I would bid 5C.
>
> What do you do if partner bds 5C?
I would bid 6C.
Partner hit my five card suit and my heart king seems well placed.
Also, my diamond shortage and extra club length is a big plus as I can
ruff a diamond or two.
Eric Leong
OldPalooka
I would pass either 4 or 5C I gambled and won, I don't have an
exceptional fit. I would advance 4H on the companion and remove 4S to
4NT or 5C whichever was agreed to show two places to play [guess 5C
undiscussed]. But at least I would get to decent if not making
contracts in diamonds opposite your horror hands if partner is on my
wavelength.
-- Bill Shutts
Frances
wrote:
> RHO opens 3H at favorable and you have:
>
> discussed. It seems likely, from the result, that some players bid 3NT
> over 3H.
>
> What do you do if partner bids 4C?
>
> What do you do if partner bds 5C?
>
> --
>
> As advancer, you have AX - XX - JXXX - AXXXX on the same auction. Is
> partner playing you "for a little something?" Is this significantly
> MORE than a little something. What if partner has the same kind of
> hand with two Clubs?
>
offering two places to play. While it might not be a bargain, I'd
still much rather be in 5D than 5C opposite your suggested KQxx xx
AKxxx Kx