San Diego North American Swiss
S. Needham
Regards and Happy Trails,
Scott Needham
Boulder, Colorado, USA
Rich
Unflighted, open. A fun event. A simple 8 round swiss with
approximately 1/2 qualifying for day 2. Normally a score of 81 or 82
will be good enough. Day 2 is basically the same, but quite a bit
tougher to make day 3. Good luck.
Rich Regan
Hank Youngerman
In addition, the Reisinger teams is played opposite it. So almost all
the very top teams will NOT be in the NS Swiss. If your goal is to
play against the world-champion class players, you have to play in the
Reisinger. The NA Swiss was begun in the late 1970's (I think) for
the main purpose of giving players a sensible option OTHER than
playing in the Reisinger. At the time, the Reisinger would come down
to 11 teams for the final day (now it can be as many as 14), and one
year I think they had 108 teams. That meant qualifying only the top
1/3 of the field each day.
Stu G
Yes. It is one of the easiest ways to earn Platinum points. I
believe you wins Plat pts even for each match win as well as finishing
in the overalls.
-Stu Goodgold
San Jose, CA
Barry Margolin
<1c5800e4-6c70-46b7...@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Stu G <st...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yep, that's how I got my first plats. I played in the NA Swiss in the
Boston NABC about a decade ago, we won 4 matches, and missed qualifying
for the 2nd day by about 2 VPs. One of our pairs almost never played in
tournaments, so after that event they probably had more platinum than
gold points. Neither of them is yet a Life Master (one has moved away
and started a family, and probably isn't playing much bridge, the other
is still working on getting enough silvers).
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Jürgen R.
What happens after the ACBL is finished debasing platinum?
There aren't any precious metals more expensive than Platinum,
though Rhodium is rarer, as are Iridium, Osmium, Palladium,
Rhenium and Ruthenium.
Rhodium Points? That doesn't sound very nobel.
I vote for Iridium.
David Stevenson
Platinum points, platinum points, who wants them?
I want silver!
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Rich
true. However, to classify this event as "easy" would be an error.
Nor are the points significant. Seems something like 1 point for
winning a match, 10 for qualifying for day two.
Rich
Hank Youngerman
I don't think there are any automatic points for qualifying for the
second day, although it means you almost surely won at least 4
matches, and have another chance to win platinum match awards.
There are three nationally-rated swiss team events, and if someone
chooses to enter all of them to win 2 or 3 platinum match awards of
0.54 and "crawl" their way to Life Master that way (platinum
substitute for gold), I can't be too worried about that. Nor, I
imagine, will the Player Of The Year or Player Of The Decade feel
debased by having to be #1 on the list when #8,992 and #8,993 are Ma
and Pa Kettle who thought it was great that there was a Swiss Team
event on Friday, and didn't notice what the event was, and who
eventually won their 7th or 8th match after finding their level at the
bottom of the field.
Derek Broughton
> Stu G wrote
>>On Nov 5, 6:58 am, "S. Needham" <jsn_color...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Is this thing unflighted, open field, qualify against all comers? or
>>> what?
>>>
>>> Regards and Happy Trails,
>>>
>>> Scott Needham
>>> Boulder, Colorado, USA
>>
>>Yes. It is one of the easiest ways to earn Platinum points. I
>>believe you wins Plat pts even for each match win as well as finishing
>>in the overalls.
>
> Platinum points, platinum points, who wants them?
Platinum points, aiui, are only useful to get yourself exalted rankings like
Grand Life Master. I don't personally know any of them...
>
> I want silver!
LOL. You only get to Regional or higher rated events. It's a problem for
more than just international players. If you don't live in a city, and can
only afford one or two tournaments a year, you often choose Regionals. So
they introduced STACs, where you get silver points at the club. You just
need to figure out a way to get your local club into an ACBL STAC :-)
--
derek
pgmer6809
I suppose each club has the option of running a certain number of
STAC's in a year. I wonder if you could get an ACBL club to 'run' a
STAC in Europe as a 'special education' event? (You could then earn
silver at this Stac)
ACBL units are also given the right to run a certain number of
Sectional tournaments in a year. These are mostly used as
fundraisers.
I wonder if a unit in say Rhode Island, wanted to 'run' a sectional in
say Liverpool, (as a goodwill/fundraiser) if the ACBL would allow
that?
(Sectionals are where you earn silver points.)
Would not hurt to ask I suppose. Then all you would need to do is find
a co-operative unit.
Frances
>
> - Show quoted text -
There's an ACBL club in London which awards ACBL masterpoints.
However,
I don't know if it also plays STACs, and anyway David lives quite a
long way from London.
David Stevenson
>David Stevenson wrote:
>> I want silver!
>
>LOL. You only get to Regional or higher rated events. It's a problem for
>more than just international players. If you don't live in a city, and can
>only afford one or two tournaments a year, you often choose Regionals. So
>they introduced STACs, where you get silver points at the club. You just
>need to figure out a way to get your local club into an ACBL STAC :-)
Do you know how far away my local club is?
===================================================================
Frances wrote
>There's an ACBL club in London which awards ACBL masterpoints.
>However,
>I don't know if it also plays STACs, and anyway David lives quite a
>long way from London.
They do.
I have twice played in a STaC. Once in South Los Angeles, with a
partner who is not very good and was playing badly, and once with a
partner I did not know in London. In LA we got 44%: in London we got
53%. I should have checked the scores in London since I thought we had
at least 58%.
===================================================================
Hank Youngerman wrote
>There are three nationally-rated swiss team events, and if someone
>chooses to enter all of them to win 2 or 3 platinum match awards of
>0.54 and "crawl" their way to Life Master that way (platinum
>substitute for gold), I can't be too worried about that. Nor, I
>imagine, will the Player Of The Year or Player Of The Decade feel
>debased by having to be #1 on the list when #8,992 and #8,993 are Ma
>and Pa Kettle who thought it was great that there was a Swiss Team
>event on Friday, and didn't notice what the event was, and who
>eventually won their 7th or 8th match after finding their level at the
>bottom of the field.
Look, I shall say it one more time: getting Platinum points in the NA
Swiss, as I have several times, does *not* get you to become a Life
Master!
Derek Broughton
> Derek Broughton wrote
>>David Stevenson wrote:
>
>>> I want silver!
>>
>>LOL. You only get to Regional or higher rated events. It's a problem for
>>more than just international players. If you don't live in a city, and
>>can
>>only afford one or two tournaments a year, you often choose Regionals. So
>>they introduced STACs, where you get silver points at the club. You just
>>need to figure out a way to get your local club into an ACBL STAC :-)
>
> Do you know how far away my local club is?
Cheshire, iirc. Far enough, anyway.
> Look, I shall say it one more time: getting Platinum points in the NA
> Swiss, as I have several times, does *not* get you to become a Life
> Master!
Not _yet_. There's been quite a few complaints in the Bridge Bulletin about
how the new LM requirements (starting January 2010) are not sufficient, and
how it would be a good idea to require some Platinum. I think that's a
horrible idea, and not in keeping with the spirit of the origin of the "Life
Master" status, but there seems to be interest in it. Not that it would
really matter. If you play enough, long enough, you can even win all the
Gold you need at the club these days (at, say, 1/4 pt a shot, you need to be
one of the two best players in your club, play about 25 years, and have been
a member before January 2010). If they made platinum a requirement, they'd
start holding events where you could get _that_ in the club, too.
--
derek
Stu G
Fundraisers?? Only if there is good attendance and/or a cheap site
for the tournament. Some that have to rent playing sites have lost
money. Most of the sectionals I know of do it so they can have a
local tournament. Also because the ACBL requires each unit to hold a
sectional at least every 2 years or risk losing their active status
(not that I can recall any unit being punished that way).
> I wonder if a unit in say Rhode Island, wanted to 'run' a sectional in
> say Liverpool, (as a goodwill/fundraiser) if the ACBL would allow
> that?
> (Sectionals are where you earn silver points.)
> Would not hurt to ask I suppose. Then all you would need to do is find
> a co-operative unit.- Hide quoted text -
An interest point. I do know that units wanting to hold sectionals
outside their geography and within another unit's geographic
boundaries must get permission from that unit (we have a local
situation that requires exactly that). But outside the ACBL's
geographic boundaries?? I would think there would be some dispute over
this by the EBU. Besides, what unit could pay for the TD's travel
expenses?
-Stu Goodgold
San Jose, CA
>
Nick France
I really do hope they don't include platinum as a requirement for life
master. As you note, once they do, it won't be long before they give
them out at the clubs.
Since platinum is only given in national events, it seems to me a good
way to see who the best players are as it requires beating out other
top players to get any significant amount. In fact doesn't the ACBL
use it to define the player of the decade?
Nick France
David Stevenson
>> I wonder if a unit in say Rhode Island, wanted to 'run' a sectional in
>> say Liverpool, (as a goodwill/fundraiser) if the ACBL would allow
>> that?
>> (Sectionals are where you earn silver points.)
>> Would not hurt to ask I suppose. Then all you would need to do is find
>> a co-operative unit.- Hide quoted text -
>
>An interest point. I do know that units wanting to hold sectionals
>outside their geography and within another unit's geographic
>boundaries must get permission from that unit (we have a local
>situation that requires exactly that). But outside the ACBL's
>geographic boundaries?? I would think there would be some dispute over
>this by the EBU. Besides, what unit could pay for the TD's travel
>expenses?
I doubt that the EBU would have a case since they run two overseas
tournaments a year [and the SBU runs one] which are based in other
countries.
Frances
> An interest point. I do know that units wanting to hold sectionals
> outside their geography and within another unit's geographic
> boundaries must get permission from that unit (we have a local
> situation that requires exactly that). But outside the ACBL's
> geographic boundaries?? I would think there would be some dispute over
> this by the EBU. Besides, what unit could pay for the TD's travel
> expenses?
>
I don't see any fundamental reason why a club shouldn't affiliate to
whatever NBO it wants, wherever it exists physically (and we know some
online clubs have national affiliations). The same venue that hosts
the London ACBL club also hosts a weekly French club.
These clubs are generally aimed at expats but intrinsically there is
no reason that they should be.
Stu G
wrote:
> Stu G wrote
>
> >> I wonder if a unit in say Rhode Island, wanted to 'run' a sectional in
> >> say Liverpool, (as a goodwill/fundraiser) if the ACBL would allow
> >> that?
> >> (Sectionals are where you earn silver points.)
> >> Would not hurt to ask I suppose. Then all you would need to do is find
> >> a co-operative unit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >An interest point. I do know that units wanting to hold sectionals
> >outside their geography and within another unit's geographic
> >boundaries must get permission from that unit (we have a local
> >situation that requires exactly that). But outside the ACBL's
> >geographic boundaries?? I would think there would be some dispute over
> >this by the EBU. Besides, what unit could pay for the TD's travel
> >expenses?
>
> I doubt that the EBU would have a case since they run two overseas
> tournaments a year [and the SBU runs one] which are based in other
> countries.
Well now, here's a solution to your ACBL silver point problem. Set up
a sectional tournament in Liverpool. Then have someone local become
an ACBL TD. That will solve the problem of getting an ACBL-employed TD
over to the playing site. Non-ACBL members can play in it as
well ... you just have to charge another US$1 (3/4 Pound?) per session
for the entry.
-Stu Goodgold
San Jose, CA
>
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Gordon Rainsford
There'a an ACBL affiliated club in London that runs weekly games issuing
ACBL master points. And there used to be regular annual ACBL Regionals
held in Germany (which Kojak TDed).
Hank Youngerman
wrote:
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Platinum points substitute for gold points in obtaining Life Master
status. You still need 25 gold/plat (50 if you join after 1/1/10) to
make LM, but the match awards in the Swiss events count.
To address another thread here, platinum points do not make you a
Grand Life Master. You have to win a national championship
unrestricted by masterpoints. So you could win, say, a small women's
event which might pay, I don't know, 50-60 platinum points (I don't
know the exact formula they are using now, but I think that for very
small events they no longer use an arbitrary award) and qualify as a
GLM (if you had a total of 10K points), or you could have thousands of
platinum points but no first place, and not be a GLM.
There was a proposal at one time to make players Life Masters if they
had 300 platinum points, but that failed. For better or worse, the
idea was to confer LM status on the foreign stars who play in the
NABC's but do not win the club and sectional points required to be an
LM.
David Stevenson
>There was a proposal at one time to make players Life Masters if they
>had 300 platinum points, but that failed. For better or worse, the
>idea was to confer LM status on the foreign stars who play in the
>NABC's but do not win the club and sectional points required to be an
>LM.
Ah, well, I would not qualify this way anyway: I only have about 130.
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Derek Broughton
> Platinum points substitute for gold points in obtaining Life Master
> status.
Yes, but not for Silver.
>
> To address another thread here, platinum points do not make you a
> Grand Life Master.
No, but a GLM has to have platinum, and...
> You have to win a national championship
> unrestricted by masterpoints.
And wouldn't the NA Swiss qualify?
--
derek
Barry Margolin
Derek Broughton <de...@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> No, but a GLM has to have platinum, and...
No they don't. If they won a national event before Platinum points were
created, and haven't won any Platinum points since then, I think they
will still become a GLM when they pass 10,000 MP.
I think it would be pretty unlikely for someone to accumulate 10K points
without scratching in any national events in the years since they
created platinums. But maybe if they got most of their points years
ago, and have since been playing only in club, sectional, and regional
events, and finally went over the top.
Frisbieinstein
Plutonium Points
Derek Broughton
> In article <45qus6-...@morgen.pointerstop.ca>,
> Derek Broughton <de...@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>
>> No, but a GLM has to have platinum, and...
>
> No they don't. If they won a national event before Platinum points were
> created, and haven't won any Platinum points since then, I think they
> will still become a GLM when they pass 10,000 MP.
Ah, yes. I'm sure you're right. When it comes to who qualifies for what,
based on grandfathering clauses, only the ACBL's computer knows for sure and
I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't always right, either.
--
derek
Derek Broughton
No, even poor little Pluto has been debased now.
--
derek
boblipton
> Rhodium Points? That doesn't sound very nobel.
Ok. Dynamite Points.
Bob
Stu G
> In article <45qus6-tj8....@morgen.pointerstop.ca>,
Winning an international title also qualifies for GLM, at least it did
in the past, so theoretically someone could become a GLM without every
playing in an NABC. We have a local player who became a GLM via the
international route. He has since won NABC titles too.
Lone Locust of the Apocalypse
>On Nov 6, 8:04�pm, J�rgen R. <jurg...@web.de> wrote:
>> What happens after the ACBL is finished debasing platinum?
>>
>> There aren't any precious metals more expensive than Platinum,
>> though Rhodium is rarer, as are Iridium, Osmium, Palladium,
>> Rhenium and Ruthenium.
>>
>> Rhodium Points? That doesn't sound very nobel.
>
Wouldn't those decay over time?
Mark Brader
>> Plutonium Points
> Wouldn't those decay over time?
Well, isn't that a feature that some people have been asking for?
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