FOUR COLOR DECK
Marion Gebhardt
here when our predecessors changed from black to red-and-black
and royally screwed the rest of us for lo these many years).
Let's show the rest of the card playing world that Bridge
Players can adopt an outstanding idea that should have been in
place years ago so that hands can be sorted Spades, Hearts,
Diamonds and Clubs without having five suits do to missorted
cards. Earl
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David Stevenson
>The time for the four color deck has arrived (actually it was
>here when our predecessors changed from black to red-and-black
>and royally screwed the rest of us for lo these many years).
>Let's show the rest of the card playing world that Bridge
>Players can adopt an outstanding idea that should have been in
>place years ago so that hands can be sorted Spades, Hearts,
>Diamonds and Clubs without having five suits do to missorted
>cards.
Several games use the idea of black and red suits, so some games will
find this unfortunate. Furthermore, four colour packs have been tried
in England and found to be generally unpopular.
I find it difficult to see any disadvantage in shading the minors
though which would make them more easily distinguishable.
--
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Adam Beneschan
David Stevenson <bne...@blakjak.com> wrote:
> Marion Gebhardt <mariongebha...@juno.com.invalid> wrote
> >The time for the four color deck has arrived (actually it was
> >here when our predecessors changed from black to red-and-black
> >and royally screwed the rest of us for lo these many years).
> >Let's show the rest of the card playing world that Bridge
> >Players can adopt an outstanding idea that should have been in
> >place years ago so that hands can be sorted Spades, Hearts,
> >Diamonds and Clubs without having five suits do to missorted
> >cards.
>
> Several games use the idea of black and red suits, so some games will
> find this unfortunate. Furthermore, four colour packs have been tried
> in England and found to be generally unpopular.
I found the following, by Michael Amos, in a 1997 discussion of the
topic on BLML:
# Those of you who advocate a change in colour or symbol, overlook how
# accustomed the perceptual system is to the shape and colour of the
# curent playing cards we use.
#
# In England, and I guess elsewhere) there is available a 4 colour pack
# with BLUE diamonds. As a publicity stunt, clubs were sent a pack of
# these to use in a particular number board in a BBL Simultaneous. At
# my
# club, that evening, 3 players revoked on that board in Diamonds - a
# pretty remarkable hit-rate even for our LOLs and LOGs !! The problem
# was that in searching for Diamonds they were looking for squarish red
# things. Those blue ones just didn't register on the brain.
> I find it difficult to see any disadvantage in shading the minors
> though which would make them more easily distinguishable.
One proposed solution I've seen is to make the background of the
minors some other pastel color, such as light blue, instead of white.
(The main objection was that it would make it easier for you to get
information about your opponent's cards, if your opponent is one of
those players who doesn't hold his cards back.)
Of course, it doesn't have to be the minors that get colored; it can
be any one black suit and one red suit, such as clubs and hearts. One
possible advantage of this method is that the CRASH convention (Color,
Rank, and Shape) wouldn't have to use the term "shape" any more to refer
to club-heart or diamond-spade ("rounded" or "pointy") suits any more,
which would be an advantage since I've always thought of "shape" as a
rather contrived term. Instead, we can refer to two suits of the same
"background" ("white" suits or "blue" suits), so that the convention
would be Color, Rank, and Background, or CRAB. Or, we could even call
it Color, Rank, and Pastel, abbreviated as . . .
Ah, never mind. Shading the minors is a great solution.
-- Adam
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Gebhardt <mariongebha...@juno.com.invalid> writes
>The time for the four color deck has arrived (actually it was
>here when our predecessors changed from black to red-and-black
>and royally screwed the rest of us for lo these many years).
>Let's show the rest of the card playing world that Bridge
>Players can adopt an outstanding idea that should have been in
>place years ago so that hands can be sorted Spades, Hearts,
>Diamonds and Clubs without having five suits do to missorted
>
>
4 coloUr decks give me migraine. The decks are hated by the players.
cheers john
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mariongebha...@juno.com.invalid (Marion Gebhardt) wrote:
> The time for the four color deck has arrived (actually it was
> here when our predecessors changed from black to red-and-black
> and royally screwed the rest of us for lo these many years).
> Let's show the rest of the card playing world that Bridge
> Players can adopt an outstanding idea that should have been in
> place years ago so that hands can be sorted Spades, Hearts,
> Diamonds and Clubs without having five suits do to missorted
> cards. Earl
No thanks. The time-honoured excuse after "taking a view" in the bidding
is "sorry partner, I had a spade in with my clubs". Having once genuinely
mixed the diamond ace with the hearts in a four-colour deck (2am in a
poorly lit room) I have no desire whatsoever to repeat the embarrassment.
PS, I expect the two friends who make me use the infernal things were just
fed up with me "taking views"!
Tim West-Meads.
cranky bridge crab
> The time for the four color deck has arrived
Are you trying to incite a riot??
(The diamonds and the hearts look too alike to me.)
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Bert Beentjes
we could change them into circle, square, triangle and
cross. (And get a nice sponsor doing that?)
--
Bert Beentjes
Utrecht - The Netherlands
Marion Gebhardt wrote in message
<096ddb2e...@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com>...
>The time for the four color deck has arrived (actually it
was
>here when our predecessors changed from black to
red-and-black
>and royally screwed the rest of us for lo these many
years).
>Let's show the rest of the card playing world that Bridge
>Players can adopt an outstanding idea that should have been
in
>place years ago so that hands can be sorted Spades, Hearts,
>Diamonds and Clubs without having five suits do to
missorted
>cards. Earl
>
>
Steve Noble
> No thanks. The time-honoured excuse after "taking a view" in the bidding
> is "sorry partner, I had a spade in with my clubs". Having once genuinely
> mixed the diamond ace with the hearts in a four-colour deck (2am in a
> poorly lit room) I have no desire whatsoever to repeat the embarrassment.
>
> PS, I expect the two friends who make me use the infernal things were just
> fed up with me "taking views"!
>
Having 4 colours would remove half the fun of the game. Surely every
defender enjoys dummy going down and declarer resorting it.
I claim to have one of the worst hand missorting stories. I thought the
hands were
North
xxx Non Vul v Vul Teams
T9x
QJx
xxxx
South
Q
AJxxxx
Axxxx
Q
[Disclaimer: You will probably disagree with most of the actions on this
board but that's not really the point.]
I held the South cards
South West North East
1H 1S Pass 4S
5D Pass 5H x (with relish)
All pass
The defence started with two rounds of spades so I ruffed and played ace
and another trump, East winning the queen whilst West showed out. East
cashed another trump and played a third spade. I was about to ruff this
and then hopefully just concede 1 diamond for -500 when I noticed that
the card I was about to ruff was not actually a trump. My hand was really
South
Q
AJxxx
Axxxxx
Q
and I only made 1 more trick for -1700. Oops.
Steve.
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Dr Steven Noble (Admissions Tutor)
Department of Mathematical Sciences
Brunel University UK
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>From: Marion Gebhardt mariongebha...@juno.com.invalid
>Date: 07/19/2000 6:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <096ddb2e...@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com>
>
>The time for the four color deck has arrived (actually it was
>here when our predecessors changed from black to red-and-black
>and royally screwed the rest of us for lo these many years).
>Let's show the rest of the card playing world that Bridge
>Players can adopt an outstanding idea that should have been in
>place years ago so that hands can be sorted Spades, Hearts,
>Diamonds and Clubs without having five suits do to missorted
>cards. Earl
What??? And get rid of our only excuse for blowing a hand?????????
George Yorg
Los Angeles
Larry Stuart-Jones
Adam Beneschan wrote in message <8l4k8s$sdk$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <BSlkxDAl...@blakjak.demon.co.uk>,
> David Stevenson <bne...@blakjak.com> wrote:
>> Marion Gebhardt <mariongebha...@juno.com.invalid> wrote
>> >here when our predecessors changed from black to red-and-black
>> >and royally screwed the rest of us for lo these many years).
>> >Let's show the rest of the card playing world that Bridge
>> >Players can adopt an outstanding idea that should have been in
>> >place years ago so that hands can be sorted Spades, Hearts,
>> >Diamonds and Clubs without having five suits do to missorted
>> >cards.
>>
[snip]
># In England, and I guess elsewhere) there is available a 4 colour pack
># with BLUE diamonds. As a publicity stunt, clubs were sent a pack of
># these to use in a particular number board in a BBL Simultaneous. At
># my
># club, that evening, 3 players revoked on that board in Diamonds - a
># pretty remarkable hit-rate even for our LOLs and LOGs !! The problem
># was that in searching for Diamonds they were looking for squarish red
># things. Those blue ones just didn't register on the brain.
>
[snip]
I fully agree with those who object to blue diamonds, and indeed I believe
that in the latest advert for them which I have seen the blue shapes are
surrounded by red borders!
However, I don't dislike another type of 4-colour pack which I think is
available from at least one supplier in UK. Here the suits are coloured
along the lines of the bidding cards from the bid boxes which we use - i.e.
hearts are red, spades are dark blue (perhaps black would have been equally
good or better, but that would no longer correspond to the bidding cards),
clubs are green (which seems "right" to me) and diamonds are a sort of
orange colour which makes it more difficult to muddle them in with hearts.
While I don't feel strongly about it, I would not object to playing with
suits coloured in this way: at least the correspondence with the bidding
cards would give a certain familiarity for players who are used to those.
Larry Stuart-Jones (Essex, UK)
Tony T. Warnock
Keith Sheppard
partner, I had a spade in with my clubs".
One of the few decent get-outs left - after bidding boxes preclude
forgetting the auction, curtain cards stop you claiming you got the wrong
hand etc.
Actually, I am more than happy with the 4 colour decks I've come across:
Blue/Red/Orange/Green for S/H/D/C. My only complaint is why are neither of
the black suits black?
I've never come across the blue diamond decks that others have referred to.
That strikes me as perverse to the degree of obstreperousness.
Keith
Keith Sheppard
years back.
The culprit sorted his hand as four spades, three diamonds, three clubs and
three more diamonds. He therefore opened 1NT, the responses to which
included transfers.
There was considerable discussion at the end of the evening as to how he had
managed to become declarer in four hearts, holding none.
Keith
Gordon Rainsford
> I've never come across the blue diamond decks that others have referred to.
> That strikes me as perverse to the degree of obstreperousness.
Yes. They were promoted by someone who argued that _we_ were being
perverse in refusing to accept the colours which _his_ research had
determined were the best colours to use. :-))
--
Gordon Rainsford
London, UK
David Stevenson
I moved to the Merseyside area from London about 28 years ago, and
having got in touch with a young ex-Liverpool University group was
invited to play in their team in Liverpool Central Contact Bridge
League.
First board: the opponents bid 1S=1NT=P=, and I lead. Dummy is
4=6=0=3, and I think "They play strange bridge in Liverpool". Of course
she had bid with two three card red suits.
--
David Stevenson <bri...@blakjak.com> Liverpool, England, UK
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Wayne Burrows
>
> I moved to the Merseyside area from London about 28 years ago, and
> having got in touch with a young ex-Liverpool University group was
> invited to play in their team in Liverpool Central Contact Bridge
> League.
>
> First board: the opponents bid 1S=1NT=P=, and I lead. Dummy is
> 4=6=0=3, and I think "They play strange bridge in Liverpool". Of course
> she had bid with two three card red suits.
>
> --
A similar thing happened to me.
I once played with a current member of the NZ open team that is about to
compete in the Olympiad.
He opened the bidding 1NT 12-14 and with me silent and after the opponents
overcalled he rebid 4S having discovered that he had two four-card spade
suits.
Wayne Burrows
Marion Gebhardt
Paradise Poker. You can play with "play" money and evaluate the
decks. Earl